Pakislamic LeT kill 8 CRPF in Ramzan greeting to India 2016

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jun 2016 19:48

Pampore: At least 8 CRPF jawans, 2 militants killed after attack on convoy
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... k-2875564/

At least eight CRPF personnel were killed after suspected militants opened fire on a bus carrying the jawans in Pampore, Jammu-Kashmir. Two terrorists were also gunned down in the return fire by the paramilitary force.

“Two terrorists were killed, we’ve lost 5 jawans and 20 injured. The injured were admitted in a hospital,” said Rajesh Yadav, CRPF commandant.

However, three more jawans succumbed to their injuries at an Army Hospital.

READ: J&K: Two militants killed by security forces in Baramulla

The CRPF jawans were reportedly ambushed by the militants while returning to their base after a practice session at a nearby firing range. The operation is currently underway as two more militants are believed to be hiding in the vicinity of the scene of encounter, he said.

GALLERY | Pampore: At least 8 CRPF jawans killed in militant attack on convoy

MoS Kiren Rijiju said that the terrorists fled from the spot using a getaway vehicle.

“The one’s (terrorists) who were in car fled from the spot, However, jawans were able to kill 2, necessary action being taken,” said Rijiju.

Home Minister Rajnath Singh was reportedly briefed on the Pampore attack. The DG of the paramilitary force and other senior officials are expected to reach Pampore tomorrow and take stock of the situation.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jun 2016 19:50

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/let ... 00172.html
Let us enjoy Iftar party: Pak High Commissioner to India Abdul Basit on Pampore terror attack

Shortly after the operation, between Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) and Lashkar-e-Toiba operatives, ended today evening, while speaking to reporters Basit said, “I have already said what I think about the relationship between India and Pakistan. Today we are celebrating Iftar. Let's have Iftar party and enjoy ourselves.”

member_28652 · Post by **member_28652** » 25 Jun 2016 20:24

When oh when will we retaliate?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 25 Jun 2016 20:36

The paki high commissioner's Iftar celebrations need not be explained by pseudo seculars since we are told people across the border are normal and in Kashmir the invaders from Pakistan are as civilized as natives who have been invaded.

Surely the international diplomats yapping about Kashmir will be able to explain away paki high commissioner's Iftar party.

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 25 Jun 2016 21:06

Hope we kill some paki army brats in school. Like TTP did in 2014. Just wipe them out.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 25 Jun 2016 22:11

There should be and there will be overt retaliation this time. China and paki are in this together to show us our place in the world. Jealousy and real politik both involved.Massive retaliation may result in spooking all the investors and affecting India,s economic growth which is likely to hit double digits in the next 2-3 yrs. NSG and this are interlinked.Govt must take a call quickly on this . My opinion retaliate or this is likely to get worse in the near future. Reason is clearly to affect India,s surging economy which has overtaken china in percentage growth and this is likely to widen in the near future.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Jun 2016 05:55

For the past 2-3 weeks there have been persistent reports of an impending attack - although it was spun in the media as another "Pathankot like attack". This may have been the one. Late last night I woke up to look at the news - and it appears that 2 more PakIslamic Pedomofos were killed in Baramulla. I don't know if these two were the same as the two that escaped in an Alto car after the CRPF attack where 2 terrorists were killed.

This is the second attack on a CRPF bus and it looks like CRPF are being seen as easy targets. Obviously there are spies/observers inside Kashmir who observe these movements

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Jun 2016 05:59

Here is a Kashmir districts map. Pampore, "near Srinagar" is not marked, but Baramulla is

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 26 Jun 2016 06:01

the 2 dead should be identified... if kashmiri...then their families should be legitimate targets? if Paki then upto GOI to decide...

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 26 Jun 2016 06:04

shiv wrote:For the past 2-3 weeks there have been persistent reports of an impending attack - although it was spun in the media as another "Pathankot like attack". This may have been the one. Late last night I woke up to look at the news - and it appears that 2 more PakIslamic Pedomofos were killed in Baramulla. I don't know if these two were the same as the two that escaped in an Alto car after the CRPF attack where 2 terrorists were killed.

This is the second attack on a CRPF bus and it looks like CRPF are being seen as easy targets. Obviously there are spies/observers inside Kashmir who observe these movements

shiv - wasn't some commander LeT pig captured alive a few days ago?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Jun 2016 06:21

shiv wrote:This is the second attack on a CRPF bus and it looks like CRPF are being seen as easy targets. Obviously there are spies/observers inside Kashmir who observe these movements

You are right about the spies & observers. This is a well planned operation because the fidayeen knew precisely the movement. Their choice of the spot indicates that there were others who fed the fidayeen the coordinates. Apparently, the CRPF jawans were returning from a firing practice session. Reports say that the jawans were unarmed. May be that is the usual practice and that fact was also observed and used to carry out the attack. I am not sure if the firing range practice was on fixed dates & fixed timings. That would have made the task even easier for the pigLeTs. Besides, there can be no movement of jawans unarmed at all in the current situation in Srinagar or even elsewhere in J&K. When they move in numbers like this, they must go in armoured vehicles. Eight precious lives are lost and these could have been avoided IMHO. We don't have to learn everything from experience. We should prevent such unfortunate incidents.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Jun 2016 06:33

From the FB page of Rashtriya Rifles,

IG CRPF Says Road Opening Party (RoP) Of CRPF Will Get High Tech Equipment & Vehicles To Ensure Highway Security For Smooth Movement Of Conveys Of Army & Paramilitary Forces...This Step is Taken in View Of Pampore Attack...IG CRPF Says Mahindra MPV 6x6 Will Soon Be Given To CRPF in Kashmir

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 26 Jun 2016 06:35

Shat shat naman to the brave jawaans. Their deaths must not go in vain

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 26 Jun 2016 16:18

The title of the thread should be:-

LeT Division of Pakislamic Army kills 8 CRPF soldiers again backstabbing India during Ramzan 2016

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Jun 2016 09:33

^
60 character limit exists for thread titles - includes spaces

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Jun 2016 11:52

Lashkar ambush lasted only 30 seconds, says CRPF chief - Vijaita Singh, The Hindu

A day after a Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) bus was attacked by two Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) terrorists in Pampore area of Jammu and Kashmir, CRPF DG K. Durga Prasad said the terrorists took only 30 seconds to kill eight personnel and injure 22 others.

Mr. Prasad said on Sunday the force had phone intercepts, which revealed that terrorist groups had been planning an attack on security forces for the past few days. He said the terrorists dressed in black trousers and shirts were dropped off near the CRPF bus by two other “local militants” who drove off in a car. He said the terrorists were not carrying any bag and had unmarked grenades on them. He also said most of the CRPF personnel had suffered injuries on the upper part of the body and at least two were still on ventilator support.

SOPs to be revised

On Sunday, Home Minister Rajnath Singh directed a team of Ministry officials to be led by Special Secretary (border management) Susheel Kumar to travel to J&K and revise the Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) followed by Central forces in the State.

Some SOPs that should have been implemented, but obviously were not:

Jawans must be armed at all times when they are on duty
They must have armoured vehicles for moving about
ROPs (Road Opening Parties) must go ahead of the vehicle, not behind or preferably both front & back
Wear bullet proof vests at all times while on duty
Nothing should be a routine (including routes, timings etc)

Bihanga · Post by **Bihanga** » 27 Jun 2016 14:20

snahata wrote:There should be and there will be overt retaliation this time. China and paki are in this together to show us our place in the world. Jealousy and real politik both involved.Massive retaliation may result in spooking all the investors and affecting India,s economic growth which is likely to hit double digits in the next 2-3 yrs. NSG and this are interlinked.Govt must take a call quickly on this . My opinion retaliate or this is likely to get worse in the near future. Reason is clearly to affect India,s surging economy which has overtaken china in percentage growth and this is likely to widen in the near future.

So for you it is Economic Growth and FDI should be given a priority instead of thinking about retaliation. It is as if 8 CRPF Jawans will get alive from Dead with double digit economic growth. Instead of thinking about demoralizing impact of this ambush on CRPF, we must take back seat in our airconditioned offices and talk about ill effects of Indian Retaliation on Foreign Investors. Please have your discussion on Economic forum of BRF instead of thread dedicated for Indian Frontiers.

Atulya P · Post by **Atulya P** » 27 Jun 2016 14:49

Rest in peace brothers. Its sad that all you got is empty rhetoric from us about not counting bullets used in retaliation. Maybe they won't count as there will be none to count.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 27 Jun 2016 17:48

Bihanga looks like u have dyxlexia .

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Jun 2016 19:49

Son wants India's 'tukde tukde'; father defends 'Pak envoy'. #PakBiryaniLeague @RShivshankar #NewsX https://mobile.twitter.com/NewsX/status ... 94/video/1

BharadwajV · Post by **BharadwajV** » 27 Jun 2016 20:21

We need to retaliate in some measure so that it finds the Page 1 of all desi Newspapers.
No more dossiers and no more "we will respond" beeyess.
Jehadis get a raging hard on from even infiltrating into J&K(they should, considering the Army has an exceptional record in foiling infiltration bids) so we need to act on those "launch pads".
A veteran ( Gen. Bakshi, IIRC) was advocating a tougher stand by India on these terrorist acts and said that it would drive home the message in massive doses, on a news channel, and I find it hard to argue against that. Our usual response of "Pak should do more to combat terrorism " type statements after each effing attack is so Sharm El Sheikhish!

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 27 Jun 2016 21:56

I am hoping for a attack on the training camps or heck PA camp itself. ANA will be happy to oblige and join in the fun.

Screambowl · Post by **Screambowl** » 28 Jun 2016 01:41

"That is the reason my country's soldiers have full freedom to answer back in whatever manner they have to and they will keep doing that," said the Indian prime minister.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1267605/india- ... -says-modi

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Jun 2016 05:30

Praveen Swamy
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... r-2880299/

Pampore attack: Intelligence picked up chatter of eight terrorists crossing LoC in June

Written by Praveen Swami

| New Delhi | Published:June 28, 2016 4:05 am

Even as warnings have emerged that the Lashkar-e-Taiba unit responsible for Saturday’s strike on the CRPF is preparing for a fresh fidayeen attack on military targets, reports received by the Home Ministry from police and intelligence services in Kashmir have flagged serious gaps in an Army-led programme to protect security force convoys moving along the strategically vital National Highway 44.
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Intelligence sources say they believe Saturday’s attack was organised by Ruhul Amin Dar, a one-time resident of the village of Vissu in south Kashmir’s Qazigund district, who has emerged as a key organiser for LeT’s networks in the area. The Lashkar commander, intelligence sources said, is now thought to be in charge of one of two units preparing fresh strikes.

Following the attack, police sources said, Dar is believed to have driven to a hideout near his home village, to join up with two of the four fidayeen originally assigned to him. The four were from a group of elite fighters sent across the Line of Control in mid-June.

Lashkar fidayeen from the same group of infiltrators, intelligence officials said, are known to have been despatched to Majid Zargar, the commander for the organisation’s networks in Kulgam district.

Zargar’s four fidayeen, sources said, are thought to have been distributed between villages in the districts of Kulgam and Shopian, until called on to assemble for an attack.

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On Friday, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said that he “doubted if the standard operating procedure was followed properly” — in what was widely read as a criticism of the CRPF.

However, security officials in both New Delhi and Jammu and Kashmir have told the Home Ministry that responsibility for securing the CRPF unit’s movement along the highway lay with the Army.

In February, following an attack on a CRPF convoy just kilometres from the site of Saturday’s killings, the Army’s Srinagar-based 15 Corps had been assigned responsibility for corridor protection for all security force movement. Code named HIDCOPS, it restored a security system shut down six years earlier, when it was deemed unnecessary.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Jun 2016 05:33

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... s-2880169/

At least three of the eight CRPF men who died fighting militants in Pampore area of Jammu and Kashmir on Saturday fired more than 90 rounds between them even after having sustained bullet injuries.

A post-incident inspection of the weapons carried by all CRPF men in the bus that was ambushed has revealed that constables Kailash Yadav, Satish Chand and Vir Singh kept firing till they succumbed to their injuries.

The two militants who ambushed the bus fired as many as 200 rounds before they were killed. In retaliation, CRPF men in the bus and an armoured road opening party (ROP) vehicle of the force fired 491 rounds at the militants, killing them before they could cause more damage.

It was in this retaliation that Vir Singh fired 39 AK-47 rounds, Satish Chand fired 32 Insas rounds and Kailash Yadav fired 20 AK-47 rounds before dying, said CRPF DG K Durga Prasad.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Jun 2016 05:35

Weird report?
Pampore attack: Army, CRPF fought to take credit for terrorist deaths
CRPF sources allege that the Army tried to take credit for killing the terrorists and even carried away weapons and ammunition found on their bodies, only to return them a few hours later.

wig · Post by **wig** » 28 Jun 2016 08:20

Pampore Attack: SOP Followed, Says CRPF Director General
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pampore- ... al-1424147

Pampore Attack: SOP Followed, Says CRPF Director General

Rejecting suggestions that not following SOPs might have led to high casualties in Saturday's ambush by militants in Jammu and Kashmir's Pampore, Central Reserve Police Force today said all laid down procedures were "absolutely" adhered to by its personnel.

CRPF Director General K Durga Prasad, during a press conference at the force's headquarters in New Delhi said his men, before laying down their lives, valiantly fought back the two terrorists and fired as many as 91 rounds.

"I really have no comments to make on that... but whatever SOPs are in position right now they have been followed and that's the reason why I said that we will require and can have a look at them again.

"They (standard operating procedures) were absolutely followed," he said when asked to comment on Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar's statement voicing doubt over whether the SOPs were followed properly by the bus-borne CRPF personnel.

He said the force will look at "tweaking" its security drills this time too, as always, and as a special measure, 3-feet high and 3mm thick bullet proof plates will be used on vehicles to provide them armoured protection, as was being done by the army.

Mr Prasad added that the force needs to do a "little bit more" of vehicle checking by deploying security check posts with the Jammu and Kashmir police so that they can "detect" possible terrorists travelling undercover.

"We will have to conduct vehicle checks at more places and more frequently. The militants who came to attack were wearing normal black trousers and T-shirts and were not wearing usual 'kaftaans' that they could be identified," he added.

It has been decided that henceforth convoys will move in blocks of at least three vehicles so they are better protected.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 28 Jun 2016 08:40

CRPF DG seems to be playing into Porky plans, also emotionally contradicting DM in public. More check-posts and frequent checks, more isolation of locals. More armor rolling down the city streets.

When are we gonna focus outside then inside. When those rodent breeding grounds will be neutralized?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 28 Jun 2016 09:33

Hafiz's son-in-law plotted strike on CRPF convoy: Intel sources

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Jun 2016 09:44

Pampore attack was ‘opportunistic’ - Vijaita Singh, The Hindu

The attack on a Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) bus at Pampore in Jammu and Kashmir last Saturday was an “opportunity ambush” as the two militants of the Lashkar-e-Taiba — now identified as Pakistanis — failed to zero in on a target in Srinagar city, a top government official told The Hindu .

As the terrorists drove to the Jammu-Srinagar Highway in a car suspected to be driven by a surrendered militant, they spotted the CRPF bus, which was moving slowly, and attacked it, killing eight jawans and injuring 22 others. Four of the injured are still on ventilator support.

Around three weeks ago, the CRPF generated an intelligence report that a “spectacular terrorist attack would take place in Srinagar on or around the 17th day of Ramzan”. An official said the two LeT terrorists killed in Saturday’s encounter, on the 18th day of Ramzan, were part of a group of 14 who had infiltrated near Bandipore in north Kashmir on June 17. The group was intercepted by the Army. Four militants were killed in a gunfight, and the remaining 10 escaped and were suspected to have dispersed in two groups.

“We suspected that two LeT terrorists involved in the Pampore attack broke away from the group … After looking for a target in Srinagar, they drove down the highway and attacked the CRPF bus in an opportunity ambush,” the official said.

While one of the terrorists has been identified as Majid Bhai, with the help of the inputs generated by the CRPF, the other is thought to have been known as Abu Gaznavi.

200 rounds

On Monday, CRPF Director-General K. Durga Prasad said: “The terrorists fired around 200 rounds of ammunition from their AK-47 rifles, and they could have got help from surrendered militants.” The CRPF opened an inquiry to find out which of the jawans killed the two terrorists. The CRPF bus was part of a convoy and was followed by a minibus and an armoured vehicle.

It might have been an opportunistic ambush as the terrorists failed to attack their original target. But, it is possible that having failed in their original mission, they were scouting around for other targets when somebody in Kashmir tipped them off of the CRPF vehicle.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 28 Jun 2016 09:56

Syed Ata Hasnain ‏@atahasnain53 · 3h3 hours ago

Regret Army CRPF standoff on claims regarding trts killed. Rank immaturity on part of RR troops and offrs. magnanimity pays.

Screambowl · Post by **Screambowl** » 28 Jun 2016 18:07

The babus in defense ministry and home ministry are least affected by such mishappening. Two terrorist enter your country and kill 8 soldiers is highly demoralizing. Other time they manage to enter and attack your air base where they manage to kill soldiers and gaurds.

Moderators may ban me but again I will say there is some lapse or lack of agression in defense! This is not acceptable by any native of the land that few bunch of b@stards who are outnumbered by the security forces of the land manage to enter his her home and take down soldiers like civilians by such a huge number.

Some times in Manipur, Some time in westbengal some times in Kashmir. Most fo the soldiers are targetted not during an assault but normal movement. It far better to let these men of steel cross the LOC and take down the enemy and they might even return after a sucessful Op. But not like this...

Diplomacy is okay but doesn't solve the purpose of demoralizing the Pakis. Their moral is what India has to reduce. Of course a lot of has been done to and many time many terror activities been failed. But then if the counterpart is sending wave after wave of such ******** then just blocking them is not a solution.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Jun 2016 18:34

Shastri wrote:Moderators may ban me but again I will say . . .

Shastri, you don't have a good understanding of how BR moderators work. None will be banned for pointing out what they feel as a lacuna.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 28 Jun 2016 18:39

Screambowl · Post by **Screambowl** » 28 Jun 2016 18:42

SSridhar wrote: Shastri, you don't have a good understanding of how BR moderators work. None will be banned for pointing out what they feel as a lacuna.

With due respect I was banned last time for 7 days, when I said and pointed out that there could be training deficiency in SF that few pigs managed to come across border travel 800kms and create havoc in pathankot, which are outnumbered by Indian SF, and keep them engaged for 2 days.

But thanks to Mr Minister of Indian Defence Ministry he also pointed out similar during Aap ki Adalat that this is something which is point of serious concern and to be rectified and must not happen since it creates demoralisation.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 28 Jun 2016 18:47

IndiaTodayFLASH Verified account 
‏@IndiaTodayFLASH
Security forces to travel in armoured vehicle only and responsibility of convoy security will be on Army, MHA decision after Pampore attack.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Jun 2016 18:54

Anyway this operation is a good lessons learned attack:
Good things;
- The CRPF did carry their weapons- INSAS and AK-47s
- The CRPF bus was part of a convoy of three vehicles.
- After initial contact three of the CRPF did fire their weapons and died with them
- The terrorists were in the dead-zone below the angle of fire of the CRPF weapons. The terrorists were killed by the escorting party.
Bad things;
- The 8 CRPF died.
- They were travelling in a vulnerable bus.
- Ambushing a convoy has happened on that road regularly. Yet SOP was not changed. The CRPF IG was adamant SOP was followed

Obviously it was the wrong SOP for its now being changed.
- The CRPF could have BPJ. But then thanks to procurement scams even Army doesn't have BPJ in quantity.
- The three vehicle convoy was travelling with too much separation between the vehicles. The armoured vehicle was too far in front.
- Inadequate patrolling of the roadways after knowing the LeT terrorists had escaped after the Army contact.
- Check-posts were not doing the job if the terrorists were able to travel in a car driven by other terrorists.

What else?
- We can identify who started the news reports of differences between the CRPF and Army and we will find anti-nationals Paki journalists.

Screambowl · Post by **Screambowl** » 28 Jun 2016 18:55

abhishek_sharma wrote:IndiaTodayFLASH Verified account 
‏@IndiaTodayFLASH
Security forces to travel in armoured vehicle only and responsibility of convoy security will be on Army, MHA decision after Pampore attack.

And will these armoured vehicles provide enough safety against ied? If something is planned it should be properly planned seeing all the parameters and requirements. Do our babus in MoHA believe that pigs will not change their modus operandi?

Or should I say, lack of agression and lack of demoralising the enemy has created Baghdad type situation that in their own country they have to resort to this now.

This is too much and very unprofessional and cleary shows lack of dedication in MoHA and Defence Min.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Jun 2016 19:02

If you look at overall numbers the terrorist attacks have gone down and these are more like the flame burning higher before going out.
Its not a Baghdad situation. Distances may dim perspective but should not distort the vision.

3 and counting.

Screambowl · Post by **Screambowl** » 28 Jun 2016 19:08

Flames will not go till the command in the neighbour is with the army. Unless until their moral is not down, and this is what Indian PM told in the interview with Arnab that , India can talk only with the legitimate elected government and negotiate with them. But their army is not under control of their legitimate elected government.

The number of attacks have surely gone down but their intensity has increased.