India-US relations: News and Discussions III

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Sep 2016 07:16

TSJones wrote:never mind the fact that certain minority crime is out of proportion compared to other population segments. it's the greatest animal farm tabboo of our generation.

Blacks just want their fair share.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 27 Sep 2016 07:25

Is debate over? Highlights or summary?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Sep 2016 07:29

Make her the prez and him the trade leader (there is a position, cannot recall what it is) (nice wine).

Gute Nacht.

sappunni · Post by **sappunni** » 27 Sep 2016 08:22

Did anyone notice the usual rona dhona from Porkis about no mention of Houston shooter Desai's ethnicity or religion ?

saip · Post by **saip** » 27 Sep 2016 08:26

Nathan DeSai?

sappunni · Post by **sappunni** » 27 Sep 2016 08:47

Yes Sir !! His father's name is Prakash Desai according to Dallas Morning News.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 27 Sep 2016 08:49

There was a Houston shooter?

sappunni · Post by **sappunni** » 27 Sep 2016 08:53

From DMN
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/20 ... s-revolver

This one from a Houston.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/who-is-nathan-desai

And check out the comments from Houston Porkis !!

Santosh · Post by **Santosh** » 27 Sep 2016 09:17

Both candidates did well. Trump is a heckler and he heckled Clinton all along. He made his strongest arguments on security, cyber security, foreign policy and terrorism as expected. He didn't have much to offer on jobs other than put tariffs and decrease taxes. Obviously he wants to decrease govt spending since he will reduce taxes and so cannot invest in infrastructure. Clinton OTOH wants to tax the rich and invest in infrastructure to create jobs. Classic capitalism vs socialism. It was going well for Trump until he waded into 'Clinton does not have stamina on foreign policy' and she nailed him.

They both came out strong although not as forthcoming. Clinton side has done better homework as far as policy making - something that Trump side lacks. He relies on criticizing the bad current state but does not have a solid vision for future state.

saip · Post by **saip** » 27 Sep 2016 09:44

Trump is big on claims but small on details. He kept saying he will cut taxes like no one else without saying how he will bridge the gap. The worst thing he said, in my opinion, is when he said he made 654 million last year but paid no taxes because he was smart (only little people pay taxes in the words of another billionaire -- Leonia Hemsley). It is going to cost him.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Sep 2016 09:48

Clinton def won...according to the rational voter. Why not? She has far more experience, better speaker, etc. She listed out her points clearly and even managed to get trump off balance for the first 1/2 hour.

The problem is the rational voter in America can't see what the Indian voter can see. Trump is essentially the Laloo of American politics.

Trump isolated his core constituency (white protestants) and pitted them against Hispanics and Blacks.

He uses very simple language, comes across as very confident, and repeats things over and over again.

All he needs to do is convince this demographic that they are going to lose power to the Black, Muslim, and Hispanic and he is guaranteed an election win. Hes also an outsider so that helps.

The ONLY point he drove home today is that Clinton lacked STAMINA. He jumbled up the rest of it so that is the only thing you could really remember and in the next one close to the polls he's going to drive home the point that shes a LIAR.

Now tell me, what costed the Congress party the election win? It wasn't Modi, it was MMS. He lacked stamina and he was dishonest. This was the potent weapon used by BJP team to generate a landslide victory.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 27 Sep 2016 10:21

at least Nathan Desai didn't concentrate on killing white wimens.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 27 Sep 2016 10:40

both had their moments and good blows that landed,

clinton edges ahead imo because she landed more, did not falter much as expected

trump had to not be the trump of primaries which took his edge off, and also had to publicly walk back on some of his bombastic claims

having the crowd bound to be silent is a major downer for trump...he feeds on crowd reaction.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 27 Sep 2016 10:42

sappunni wrote:From DMN
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/20 ... s-revolver

This one from a Houston.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/who-is-nathan-desai

And check out the comments from Houston Porkis !!

sheet...there's just so many that i never noticed this one..

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 27 Sep 2016 10:52

how many more such debates are going to be till election day?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Sep 2016 14:26

So far, looks like, we are stuck with Hillary for 4 years.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.vox.com/ ... oid-att-us

habal · Post by **habal** » 27 Sep 2016 15:55

US elections are crap-shoot rigged by diebold voting machines.

Neither person will be able to stop total marginalisation of USA. Inshallah.

The Drudge Report Debate Poll has Trump winning with 80 percent of the vote and a total of over 204,000 votes.
Drudge Report website has 1.5 billion views per month.
The CNBC poll had Trump winning with 61 percent of the vote.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Sep 2016 16:51

Trump did bad. He should have focussed on her emails, scams, foundation and illegal deals she was doing with donors to say she is not fit for president. He squandered it.

Sicanta · Post by **Sicanta** » 27 Sep 2016 16:59

RoyG wrote:Clinton def won...according to the rational voter. Why not? She has far more experience, better speaker, etc. She listed out her points clearly and even managed to get trump off balance for the first 1/2 hour.

The problem is the rational voter in America can't see what the Indian voter can see. Trump is essentially the Laloo of American politics.

Trump isolated his core constituency (white protestants) and pitted them against Hispanics and Blacks.

He uses very simple language, comes across as very confident, and repeats things over and over again.

All he needs to do is convince this demographic that they are going to lose power to the Black, Muslim, and Hispanic and he is guaranteed an election win. Hes also an outsider so that helps.

The ONLY point he drove home today is that Clinton lacked STAMINA. He jumbled up the rest of it so that is the only thing you could really remember and in the next one close to the polls he's going to drive home the point that shes a LIAR.

Now tell me, what costed the Congress party the election win? It wasn't Modi, it was MMS. He lacked stamina and he was dishonest. This was the potent weapon used by BJP team to generate a landslide victory.

Driving home only negatives hardly ever leads to the landslide that modi achieved, especially in UP where people have high hopes from him.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 27 Sep 2016 17:03

^^ I think he can put this issues in the other 2 debate.

Coming back to opinion polls , CNN puts Hillary miles ahead in polls while the opposite is true for CNBC ......likely both the opinion polls are rigged and truth is somewhere in between

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 27 Sep 2016 18:26

David Stockman: Economy is on the edge of ruin

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 27 Sep 2016 18:46

Hopefully Clintoin supporters will get overconfident and not turn up on election day.THis should make Trump supporters more keen to get out and vote on D-Day.There's still many days to come and as they say ,a week is a long time in politics.Who knows,Hillary might get "Ill-ary" again!

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Sep 2016 19:03

Guys, this thread is about India US relations, not US election tamasha. But my 2 cents knowing America quite well, Trump mofo's choef appeal is his going after anybody not white. Note how he blamed Mexico, China, Japan, you name if for unfair trade deals, them stealing US jobs yada yada. This is the only theme his millions of zombie followers care about. Nothing else. But my opinion (including models on NYT's upshot and Nate Silver's fivethirtyeight blog) is that Hillary will win. As for what impact on India, none? Note even Trump mentioned Syria, Yemen, but no TSP. Both are being coached by ex Pentagon CIA state dept honchos (Hillary herself is part of the system), and except for minor perturbations, its India TSP equal equal. Neither will look at TSP as the unadulterated evil that it is.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 27 Sep 2016 19:23

Trump won!! Vote for Trump!! At least we will get a president that is outside the beltway!! far away from the foggy bottom like Clintons and Bushes!

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 27 Sep 2016 19:38

To be honest rather than believing in what the two respectable and fine candidates have to say they will do as bresident if i vote for them, I would believe a crack-ho doing biziness out of a port-o-potty when she says she will be loyal to me if I marry her.

Next few years are gonna be interesting, especially for any of us who have a lot of investments in massa.

habal · Post by **habal** » 27 Sep 2016 19:43

CNN publishes fake poll claiming hillary won the debate

http://www.eutimes.net/2016/09/cnn-publ ... he-debate/

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Sep 2016 20:08

The One Weird Trait That Predicts Whether You’re a Trump Supporter

I tend to agree.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 27 Sep 2016 20:39

NRao wrote:The One Weird Trait That Predicts Whether You’re a Trump Supporter

I tend to agree.

There could be some exceptions. And one of those exceptions are those who want him win for the "good of the world"

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Sep 2016 20:56

NRao wrote:The One Weird Trait That Predicts Whether You’re a Trump Supporter

I tend to agree.

Agree with what? It depends on how you define Authoritarianism. His bogus Authoritarianism is only directed against non whites. There are millions of stupid Americans who really think America is freely giving it away to "them". So when he says China is stealing jobs, Mexicans are stealing jobs, Japan is stealing jobs, that cuts a chord. Add to that his shrill cacophony that Mexican are rapists, Muslim are terrorists, Blacks are living in hell etc, an occasional attack (like the one on NY/NJ recently) here and there, and boy, that itself will get him roughly 35% of the electorate. Nothing else matters. The zombies who are swayed by him are not going to be altered with any other logic. In this America is an interesting country. I would say roughly 1% - 2% are super smart: innovators, technologists, shrewd business men, artists etc who actually account for US's productivity. The rest of the 99%-98% play a supporting role. And the trajectory of America has been such that this 98%-99% are kept happy with lotsa goodies (thx in part to US empire's global reach. Which country can go kick some arse and bring home cheap oil so average Joe can binge on a sports car?). Their imaginary fears can easily be harnessed by demagogues like Trump. In a sense his supporters are like Lalloo Parasad's followers. No rhyme or logic, just tribal loyalty based on caste or race.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Sep 2016 22:24

The US Constitution gives large powers to the President w.r.t foreign policy. So it matters who becomes the President. Unfortunately those who can vote don't care how the President reacts with the world.

Trump didn't mention India which is a good thing for he will act on those he mentioned.

Hillary on other hand will act against India for sure based on her track record.

Either of them will have to move the economy forward and get out of the Great Recession. So it doesn't matter who for internal politics of US.

Now make your mind.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Sep 2016 22:56

I have no idea on which Trump shows up. My feel is that he is on a leash, called it teleprompter.

And here we go.

Presidential debate: Trump criticises moderator Lester Holt

Classic Trump. This is what I expect from him. Tell it as he thinks.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Sep 2016 23:03

would you guys stop posting US election news (that has no link to India) here in stead of the understanding US thread or should I lock and trash this thread ??
- Rahul.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Sep 2016 23:40

RahulM, Take it easy. Its over in two months.
And regardless US elections(USE) have a big impact on India.
We locked up the old US elections thread which is not really about Understanding US thread (UUST).
UUST is about larger picture.
USE is a sub-set only. It will get lost there.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Sep 2016 00:18

please see the mod forum.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Sep 2016 09:22

as ramana ji indicated there, please move US election discussion to understanding US thread.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 29 Sep 2016 08:23

On SDTV, err NDTV right now: "US NSA to Ajit Doval: Expect Pak to act against terror"

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 29 Sep 2016 08:34

Guys, do you attach any significance to this phone call from Susan Rice to Ajit Doval, and conveying to him that Pakis will act against India-specific terror groups (I am of course assuming this news tit bit is true)

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-secur ... ck-1467818

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 29 Sep 2016 08:43

CRamS wrote:Guys, do you attach any significance to this phone call from Susan Rice to Ajit Doval, and conveying to him that Pakis will act against India-specific terror groups (I am of course assuming this news tit bit is true)

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-secur ... ck-1467818

How did NDTV come to know of this piece of information that I assume must be over the most secure channels? Did Susan Rice brief them personally over this?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 29 Sep 2016 08:44

This is from whitehouse dot gov site:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-of ... or-susan-e

The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate ReleaseSeptember 28, 2016

Statement by NSC Spokesperson Ned Price on National Security Advisor Susan E. Rice’s Call with National Security Advisor Ajit Doval of India

National Security Advisor Susan E. Rice spoke today by phone with Indian National Security Advisor Ajit Doval. Ambassador Rice strongly condemned the September 18 cross-border attack on the Indian Army Brigade headquarters in Uri and offered condolences to the victims and their families. Ambassador Rice affirmed President Obama’s commitment to redouble our efforts to bring to justice the perpetrators of terrorism throughout the world. Highlighting the danger that cross-border terrorism poses to the region, Ambassador Rice reiterated our expectation that Pakistan take effective action to combat and delegitimize United Nations-designated terrorist individuals and entities, including Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, Jaish-e-Muhammad, and their affiliates. In the context of the robust U.S.-India partnership, Ambassador Rice discussed our shared commitment with India to pursuing peace and regional stability and pledged to deepen collaboration on counterterrorism matters including on UN terrorist designations.

Some visible points and absence of == not seen even a few years ago..
- No mention of Kashmir , or "India administrated BS" or "violence" just "Cross border attack on Indian Army in Uri"
- No == "all sides" "peace" "core-issue of Kashmir" etc... just concern about "terror"
- Named L-eT, JuM etc..
- Reaffirmed partership with US-India (no mention of Pak/Us friendship of even to save Paki H&D)
ityadi ...

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 29 Sep 2016 09:09

Amber GJi, I agree some new nuances there as you point out. But this statament: "18 cross-border attack on the Indian Army Brigade headquarters in Uri" appears to give TSP some wiggle room. The cross border part is interesting. It clearly says they are from across the border which only mean PoK or TSP. If the former, then is LoC == border? Where TSP gets the wiggle room is that they can say the attackers were Kashmiris fighting against Indian "oppression".