India-US relations: News and Discussions III

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 18 Feb 2017 22:18

In an ominous introductory note, the conference’s chairman, Wolfgang Ischinger, a widely respected former German Ambassador to Washington, warns of the dangers to global order if the United States reneges on international commitments and pursues a more unilateralist and nationalistic agenda. He writes, “We may, then, be on the brink of a post-Western age, one in which non-Western actors are shaping international affairs, often in parallel or even to the detriment of precisely those multilateral frameworks that have formed the bedrock of the liberal international order since 1945. Are we entering a post-order world?”

The levels of entitlement are astounding. The security of the European Welfare State must be underwritten by the American taxpayer and the lives of American boys. The US and EU are nearly equal in economic size, yet the defense expenditure of EU states is a fraction of what the US spends. And a lot of the US expenditure is to protect the EU from Russia, a state that is a fraction of the economic/technological and population size compared to the EU. Trump is absolutely right to put the decrepit EU leaders on notice.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 19 Feb 2017 00:17

He writes, “We may, then, be on the brink of a post-Western age, one in which non-Western actors are shaping international affairs,

Fascinating insight into European mentality. For all the bluster about paragon of virtues,Europeans are racists beyond pale. Non-Western is code word for "Asians". With Russians, they are considered Prodigals, one of their own, who has gone rogue, but will be accommodated. They want this "prodigal" to retain and continue to be "second in command" in grand scheme of things, which Russians are also eager and willing to do. Russians do not have the grandiose vision of bearing the weight (cop of the world) of the world. They are the true "other whites". Europeans are concerned mostly about how this racial hierarchy would collapse. Well, that also explains, why Europeans are lot more easy in allowing islamists of "white hue" into the network. Anything to keep out the "asians" aka "non-whites". If they desire so, Europeans have to pay the price and not ride on the coat-tails of US.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 19 Feb 2017 01:54

This is one area that I am 100% with Trump. You want to defend your country and maintain the racial hierarchy with frothy white cream on top and brown and black stuff below and all that, do it yourself, dont expect the US to foot the bill.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 19 Feb 2017 02:03

Too late for all that. China has taken over. India will follow in a short time.

The US will still be at the top of pile, but forming a much, much smaller slice of the pie and thus will need some hep in some areas.

Europe will not have too much a of a say.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Feb 2017 02:12

sudeepj wrote:
The levels of entitlement are astounding. The security of the European Welfare State must be underwritten by the American taxpayer and the lives of American boys. The US and EU are nearly equal in economic size, yet the defense expenditure of EU states is a fraction of what the US spends. And a lot of the US expenditure is to protect the EU from Russia, a state that is a fraction of the economic/technological and population size compared to the EU. Trump is absolutely right to put the decrepit EU leaders on notice.

You are missing the forest for the trees. And also like many naive SDREs, you really take this Trump Vs oiropeans crap seriously. Instead read his statement carefully. He is worried about white brotherhood not surviving, and non-whites will start making decisions. And for all of Trump moron's rubbish, you think he will abandon his white brothers in favor of non white Asians? US election entertainment is over. American people have installed a white nationalist primate in power. Pretty soon this primate will realize that all the international structures that his predecessors set up, are all to foster white brotherhood. Once he realizes that, and he will, his handlers will educate, him, all his trash talk will disappear in a heart beat. And I am sick and tired of Trump antics and theatrics. Even SDREs in India are obsessed with it.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 19 Feb 2017 04:35

sudeepj - the US does not spend more than 3-5* x its nearest rival (China) on defence because it loves its old country cousins and does it out of the goodness of its heart. It does so to create total and absolute military dominance over any rival - actual or potential. that is what being a superpower means. what the americans want is for more europeans to gladly send men and materials to fight america's wars in the mid east and africa.

note: germany and france do not spend 2% of GDP on defence and this barb is directed primarily at them. however as the germans say, they invest a great deal in conflict prevention in africa - which is just as, if not more valuable in terms of NATO's security

* i don't remember the exact multiple or the ranking, but the US spending dwarfs everyone else

habal · Post by **habal** » 19 Feb 2017 18:35

watching this again, does the man come across as a white supremacist ?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Feb 2017 18:37

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/ar ... ed/517158/

But what few people know is that the South wasn’t always so segregated. During a brief window of time between the of the Civil War and the turn of the 20th century, black and white people lived next to each other in Southern cities, creating what the historian Tom Hanchett describes as a “salt-and-pepper” pattern. They were not integrated in a meaningful sense: Divisions existed, but “in a lot of Southern cities, segregation hadn’t been fully imposed—there were neighborhoods where blacks and whites were living nearby,” said Eric Foner, a Columbia historian and expert on Reconstruction. Walk around in the Atlanta or the Charlotte of the late 1800s, and you might see black people in restaurants, hotels, the theater, Foner said. Two decades later, such things were not allowed.

As Hanchett, the author of Sorting the New South City: Race, Class, and Urban Development in Charlotte, 1875-1975, puts it, “Segregation had to be invented.”

This amorphous period of race relations in the South was first described by the historian C. Vann Woodward, who wrote in his 1955 book, The Strange Career of Jim Crow, that segregation in the South did not become rigid with the end of slavery, but instead, around the turn of the century. “There occurred an era of experiment and variety in race relations of the South in which segregation was not the invariable rule,” he wrote.

During that time, Foner said, black residents could could sue companies for discriminating against them—and win their lawsuits. Blacks could also legally vote in most places (disenfranchisement laws did not arrive in earnest until about 1900), and were often allied with poor whites in the voting booth. This alliance was strong enough to control states like North Carolina, Alabama, and Virginia at various points throughout the late 19th century.

This alliance was doomed. White elites, cast out of power and facing policies that threatened their economic hold on the state, launched a campaign that they knew would drive black and whites apart. They called it a campaign of “white supremacy,” and sought to unite whites of all economic backgrounds in hatred of black people. It was this campaign that tried to re-enforce the idea of black people as different, as lesser, and as a race that had to be separate from whites. Segregation was created in the South during this time period, and many of the ideas that drove it still exist more than a century later in the South of today.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Feb 2017 18:44

habal wrote:watching this again, does the man come across as a white supremacist ?

Jury is out. Pay attention to what he does, not what he says. Do you believe the advertising for each product? Coca-Cola makes you happier, Drinkng Grey Goose vodka makes you a more interesting person? Or for that matter, Trump University teaches you the real-estate market? What we have is the triumph of advertising. Find out what the product actually does.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 19 Feb 2017 19:08

http://www.oneindia.com/international/u ... 52599.html

We need to be very alert now with our dealings with the US and the Lizardees. Things may get really hot with no notice or warning.

habal · Post by **habal** » 19 Feb 2017 21:11

A_Gupta wrote: Jury is out. Pay attention to what he does, not what he says.

.. Find out what the product actually does.

what has he done against India ?

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 19 Feb 2017 21:22

The rap against Trump is "he doesn't know what to talk". People probably compare him to Obama or Clinton who were smooth talkers. Does it really matter what he says? It only matters what he does. Let's see what he does and how he interacts with India. And also how he treats Pakistan.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Feb 2017 22:02

habal wrote:
A_Gupta wrote: Jury is out. Pay attention to what he does, not what he says.

.. Find out what the product actually does.
what has he done against India ?

We're barely a month into 48 months of Trump's first term. Wait and see. (Wait and see is adequate because we're unlikely to be able to influence what he does.)

One direct negative indicator is his advisor Steve Bannon who does not like Indians to be CEOs of Silicon Valley firms. It is an indicator only, because we do not know how much actual influence Bannon has on Trump's decisions. Nor will we be able to disentangle that from the many stories floating around because the Understanding US thread has been locked.

Another negative indicator that his Executive Order about travel did not include Pakistan, which suggests Trump will continue the old US policies with respect to Pakistan. Again, this is an indicator only, it is very early in his administration.

A third negative indicator is the rhetoric on trade in goods and in services. If it is followed through, it can harm Indian economic interests. But again, this is an indicator only; we do not know how the rhetoric will translate into actual policy.

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 19 Feb 2017 22:33

Lalmohan wrote:sudeepj - the US does not spend more than 3-5* x its nearest rival (China) on defence because it loves its old country cousins and does it out of the goodness of its heart. It does so to create total and absolute military dominance over any rival - actual or potential. that is what being a superpower means. what the americans want is for more europeans to gladly send men and materials to fight america's wars in the mid east and africa.

Yes, but from my naive perspective, what is it to the US if Russia, which has been reduced to a regional power, keeps or does away with Crimea? or Latvia/Lithuania/Estonia? Europe has atrophied to such a level that they need immediate US help to take care of the Libyan crisis. And the rot is not just military, but also political and social. If Russian really decides to bully Europe tomorrow, all of Germany, a 4T $ economy, will be pressed to put in the air more than a handful of squadrons or more than a handful of Leo IIs. Hell, if India got a ride there, we could probably conquer at least a bit of Europe.

They really need this kick in the pants to wake up. Their paltry contributions to both the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (except some Eastern European states) have weakened American committment to NATO. Further, the constant expansion of NATO to the east done at the behest of mostly Germany, provoked the immediate crisis, for which they are completely unprepared. (Read: Lets act irresponsibly, the US will rescue us if the shit hits the fan).

As for wanting the Euros to send men and material, NATO is a mutual defense treaty, and the US was attacked. The Iraq war was avoidable, but Afghanistan... The US is engaged in a war today, against radical Islamism. If it loses, there will be a diminution in its status as the sole superpower and a corresponding rise in the power of others (China). Further, the Euros pay lip service to the 'rules based international order' but where are their frigates in SCS?

note: germany and france do not spend 2% of GDP on defence and this barb is directed primarily at them. however as the germans say, they invest a great deal in conflict prevention in africa - which is just as, if not more valuable in terms of NATO's security

* i don't remember the exact multiple or the ranking, but the US spending dwarfs everyone else

They dont, and they havent done so for years. Militarily Europe is basically, a non entity today. Sub-Saharan Africa is only of a peripheral interest. After all, the Hutu-Tutsi massacres have no bearing on the rest of the world, terrible as they are. But in Northern Africa, how many forces have the Europeans deployed? They ran out of missiles and bombs attacking little Libya. Its the US all the way.

Here is what Modi ji said, perhaps two years back.

For too long, India and the United States have looked at each other across Europe and the Atlantic. When I look towards the East, I see the western shores of the United States. That tells us that we belong to the same vast region. It is a region of great dynamism, but also many unsettled questions.

Samajhdar ko ishara kafi.

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 19 Feb 2017 22:42

CRamS wrote:
sudeepj wrote:
The levels of entitlement are astounding. The security of the European Welfare State must be underwritten by the American taxpayer and the lives of American boys. The US and EU are nearly equal in economic size, yet the defense expenditure of EU states is a fraction of what the US spends. And a lot of the US expenditure is to protect the EU from Russia, a state that is a fraction of the economic/technological and population size compared to the EU. Trump is absolutely right to put the decrepit EU leaders on notice.
You are missing the forest for the trees. And also like many naive SDREs, you really take this Trump Vs oiropeans crap seriously. Instead read his statement carefully. He is worried about white brotherhood not surviving, and non-whites will start making decisions. ... US election entertainment is over. American people have installed a white nationalist primate in power. Pretty soon this primate will realize that all the international structures that his predecessors set up, are all to foster white brotherhood. Once he realizes that, and he will, his handlers will educate, him, all his trash talk will disappear in a heart beat. And I am sick and tired of Trump antics and theatrics. Even SDREs in India are obsessed with it.

We are all primates and we are all genetically predisposed towards forming in-groups and out-groups and subjecting the out group to violence. You are as disposed to it as Trump. Rest of your statement is just, like your opinion and prediction. Which is OK. Everyone has the right to an opinion.

And for all of Trump moron's rubbish, you think he will abandon his white brothers in favor of non white Asians?

No, my thinking is he will ally with some asians against other asians who are bent on kicking him out of a large international chunk of ocean. European powers, with 1 operational aircraft carrier, and armies that go home on the weekend are irrelevant here. This is an even bigger challenge than the Islamists.. Whoever rules the waves rules the world.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Feb 2017 02:27

This really belongs in "Understanding the US":
https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the ... .4t4kbj6jq
Long, but worth every minute.

How did we get here? What is 4chan exactly? And how did a website about anime become the avant garde of the far right? Mixed up with fascist movements, international intrigue, and Trump iconography? How do we interpret it all?
....
As someone who has witnessed 4chan grow from a group of adolescent boys who could fit into a single room at my local anime convention to a worldwide coalition of right wing extremists (which is still somehow also a message board about anime), I feel I have some obligation to explain.
....

It was still a group of hikikomori — a group of primarily young males who spent a lot of the time at the computer, so much so they had retreated into virtual worlds of games, T.V., and now the networks of the internet. This was where most or all of their interaction, social or otherwise took place. The real world, by contrast, above their mother’s basements, was a place they did not succeed, perhaps a place they did not fundamentally understand.
...
America, and perhaps existence itself is a cascade of empty promises and advertisements — that is to say, fantasy worlds, expectations that will never be realized “IRL”, but perhaps consumed briefly in small snatches of commodified pleasure.
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1) Generally older people who naively believe Trump will “make America great again”, that is to say, return it to its 1950s ideal evoked by both Trump and Clinton.

2) The 1 percent, who know this promise is empty, but also know it will be beneficial to short term business interests.

3) Younger members of the 99 percent, like Anon, who also know this promise is empty, but who support Trump as a defiant expression of despair.

....
If the U.S. were in fact what it pretended to be, that is to say, the best way to become either the playboy or the family man, Anon would not exist. But it is this gap between ideological expectation and cruel reality which created him. Instead, Anon resides in the very opposite of bachelor pads: his mother’s basement.

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But rather than take this as reason to be ever more contemptuous of Anons and their misogyny, the left should regard Anon/the deplorables as a failure on its part, a terrific mangling of the left’s own arguments that has resulted in alienating the very group of people who could be the most helped by their ideas, if not the most convinced.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 Feb 2017 03:34

sudeepj - it appears to me that you seem to be missing the entire neocon agenda both wrt to the mid east and the ex soviet union and why the russians are now pushing back against the extensive roll back they endured. nato and the eu expansion east was far more a neocon plan than either germany or any of the others. blair was its chief cheerleader in europe, and look what good that did him?

and afghanistan? wow... if the US really wanted to strike back for 9-11, the two countries that absolutely should have been attacked were KSA and TSP - and both continue to be special friends, and by all accounts will continue to be so. how many americans have been killed by people from these countries than from the seven identified for invasion?

the reason defence spending in europe came down in the 90's was because there was talk of normalisation of relations with the russians and the need to reunify germany and create a more peaceful global order.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 20 Feb 2017 04:50

Ppl:
US did

to Wi Dong by taking Taiwan's call. Then told Wi Dong that US wants only cordial relations, all Bunnies started going in circles drumbeating about US losing face. Then US sends aircraft carrier into SC Sea. Not significant?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Feb 2017 06:17

Folks stick to thread topic. It's about India-US relations.
Thanks,
Ramana

disha · Post by **disha** » 20 Feb 2017 07:06

I was listening onto a great desi program today., it was an analysis of Bobby Jindal and Ro Khanna and how Ro is now a Congressman while Bobby is now a nobody (or rather lost his campaign because his indian support base was not fired enough).

The refrain was Ro Khanna showed integrity and was loyal to the base while Bobby 'in diplomatic terms' crossed over to other side and in the process cut himself of his base. Hence it is important now for desi politicians to be loyal to the base. Basically indo-american politician should be as much indo as they are american

To see congressman like Ro Khanna, Tulsi Gabbard and political wheeler-dealer like Shalab kumar etc show up on stage with Modi & Trump for example and increasing 'politician to politician' contact and be true to their support base portends a better and a deeper understanding of Indian issues in America and American issues in India. This understanding from grassroots is important and will help each country better in future.

I think India is at a stage where it can start taking leadership on the Indian Arc - that is from East-Africa, parts of ME, Afghanistan on the east - all the way to Indonesia, pacific islands and North Australia. This leadership will only help stabilize the world.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 20 Feb 2017 07:19

India must take advantage of the chaos that exists the world over. It does not mean to be a "leader" per se, but in whatever capacity the situation affords. Should build on it as time goes.

Good start

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Feb 2017 09:20

Have supported Ro Khanna since 2009 when he was appointed to Commerce Dept.
Some of have raised funds for him repeatedly thru the years.
He is a good guy.
Once walked into his campaign hq in 2014 cycle took one look at his district and told his problem.
The district is like two wings of a butterfly with one wing in Fremont and the other in Cupertino both are high Asian population. The body is in Japan town in San Jose. Its tailored for Mike Honda!!!
I suggested he needs to get more folks registered to vote by his campaign and to watch for weakness in Mike's campaign. It didn't work then as Mike's backing was Obama!!!
It worked in 2016.

BTW, I supported Bobby Jindal in TANA 2003 San Jose. He didn't live up to his promise as he went too EJ.
Next he torpedoed all his chances in the 2009 Republican response to Obama's first speech by walking and speaking. It looked like Night of the Living dead. Very creepy that finished him off.

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 20 Feb 2017 09:28

A_Gupta wrote:One direct negative indicator is his advisor Steve Bannon who does not like Indians to be CEOs of Silicon Valley firms. It is an indicator only, because we do not know how much actual influence Bannon has on Trump's decisions. Nor will we be able to disentangle that from the many stories floating around because the Understanding US thread has been locked.

It may not look good from Indian point of view. How many BRFites will be happy if many reputed Indian companies start recruiting foreigners as its CEOs? If Indian construction companies cite labor shortage or high salary in India and want to import laborers from Nigeria, Bangladesh, Philippines etc., how many would agree to that? There will be many who are okay with it as long as it helps their bank balance grows, but many will not like in spite of that. We have to see Steve Bannon's fear through this lens and Indians need to engage with him to remove his fears. May be we should also make it very clear to him that Indians do not have another East India Company, nor are we like EIC traders who came to India long back.

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 20 Feb 2017 09:28

disha wrote: To see congressman like Ro Khanna, Tulsi Gabbard and political wheeler-dealer like Shalab kumar etc show up on stage with Modi & Trump for example and increasing 'politician to politician' contact and be true to their support base portends a better and a deeper understanding of Indian issues in America and American issues in India. This understanding from grassroots is important and will help each country better in future.

Tulsi Gabbard is not Indian and has no Indian base. She is american and will look out for US first. Secondly India should not depend on US or Aussies or Japan for extending influence, Sure can collaborate when interests converge bt there is no inherent alliance.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 20 Feb 2017 09:31

Yeah, I think that Jindal self destructed - should have achieved moksha.

I do not know, We have a boat load of NRIs, but no NRI can get elected to even a school Board!!! I mean we are loaded.

On the flip side the NRIs have made huge strides with local authorities to deal with NRI issues, including to not mistake one for someone south of the border. Worked otu very sell. We have one temple bang in the middle of a sleepy 'hood, that makes a LOT of noise singing bhajans and no one complains.

Still we have not been able to field a NRI at any level in the near locale.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 20 Feb 2017 12:26

shyam wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:One direct negative indicator is his advisor Steve Bannon who does not like Indians to be CEOs of Silicon Valley firms. It is an indicator only, because we do not know how much actual influence Bannon has on Trump's decisions. Nor will we be able to disentangle that from the many stories floating around because the Understanding US thread has been locked.
It may not look good from Indian point of view. How many BRFites will be happy if many reputed Indian companies start recruiting foreigners as its CEOs? If Indian construction companies cite labor shortage or high salary in India and want to import laborers from Nigeria, Bangladesh, Philippines etc., how many would agree to that? There will be many who are okay with it as long as it helps their bank balance grows, but many will not like in spite of that. We have to see Steve Bannon's fear through this lens and Indians need to engage with him to remove his fears. May be we should also make it very clear to him that Indians do not have another East India Company, nor are we like EIC traders who came to India long back.

India is not global. Indian brands are not allowed in most developed countries. India is a market for several american companies and they want to expand their sales inside India.

sum · Post by **sum** » 20 Feb 2017 14:38

Wonder what causes people to lose it like this?
Thousands declare 'I am Muslim too' at solidarity rally in US

Over a thousand people from various faiths declared 'I am a Muslim too' as they assembled at the iconic Times Square here to express solidarity with the Muslim community and protest against US President Donald Trump's immigration policies. The rally was co-organised by the Foundation For Ethnic Understanding and the Nusantara Foundation in response to the uncertainty and anxiety created by Trump's now-rescinded executive order to bar citizens from the seven Muslim-majority nations.

The 'I am a Muslim Too' solidarity rally drew several thousand people who raised slogans and held banners of 'Love Trumps Hate' and 'USA, USA' and 'No Muslim Ban'. Headlined by American entrepreneur and author Russell Simmons and actress Susan Sarandon, the rally yesterday saw participation by several faith leaders who denounced the divisive political environment in the country and called on Americans to stand up for Muslims facing increasing threat and pressure.

Addressing the rally, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said America was founded to respect all faiths and all beliefs and stereotypes against the Muslim community has to be dispelled. "The message I want to give as Mayor of the city to everyone regardless of background or faith or where you were born is that this is your city and this is your country," he said. The Mayor said America was founded by people who were fleeing religious persecution and was founded to respect all faiths and all beliefs.

"This is who we are as Americans and this must be protected. An attack on anybody's faith is an attack on all people of faith," he said. Lauding the 900 Muslim members of the New York Police Department, de Blasio said the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world are "overwhelming peace loving" people who care about their community.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Feb 2017 16:31

no such empathy will be shown if its were hindus or shintos getting thrashed.

amrikan abrahamics cluster together with the familiar.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 20 Feb 2017 17:43

svinayak wrote:
shyam wrote: It may not look good from Indian point of view. How many BRFites will be happy if many reputed Indian companies start recruiting foreigners as its CEOs? If Indian construction companies cite labor shortage or high salary in India and want to import laborers from Nigeria, Bangladesh, Philippines etc., how many would agree to that? There will be many who are okay with it as long as it helps their bank balance grows, but many will not like in spite of that. We have to see Steve Bannon's fear through this lens and Indians need to engage with him to remove his fears. May be we should also make it very clear to him that Indians do not have another East India Company, nor are we like EIC traders who came to India long back.
India is not global. Indian brands are not allowed in most developed countries. India is a market for several american companies and they want to expand their sales inside India.

And nothing emphasizes this point more than the following example.

Kraft Heinz Withdraws $143 Billion Offer to Merge With Unilever
This failed for now, but the vultures will be back.

Unilever India Brands

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Feb 2017 18:51

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri ... 245410.cms
"Forget H-1B visas, there’s is still enough opportunity for India in Trump's US"

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Feb 2017 18:53

shyam wrote: It may not look good from Indian point of view. How many BRFites will be happy if many reputed Indian companies start recruiting foreigners as its CEOs?

If people came to India and founded new firms based on innovation, I think BRFites would be quite happy. Bannon is not complaining about the occasional Google or Microsoft, but about the leadership of numerous start-up firms.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 20 Feb 2017 19:08

shyam wrote:It may not look good from Indian point of view. How many BRFites will be happy if many reputed Indian companies start recruiting foreigners as its CEOs?

India does not bill itself as the "land of immigrants", "give me your tired, your oppressed", "land of the free" and such high sounding phrases. So comparison is not really valid, IMHO.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 20 Feb 2017 20:07

"shyam wrote:
It may not look good from Indian point of view. How many BRFites will be happy if many reputed Indian companies start recruiting foreigners as its CEOs?"

Why should Indians fear that? The head of Tata Motors is German because he's the most qualified and his performance in the JLR segment proves it. Indians can go head on with anyone fopr the CEO position: the obvious --Pichai, Nadella. Menezes (Diageo) et al along with many others. It's the shareholders who count not CEO wannabees.

Just look at IPL.

This is not about charity/inclusion. If India wants to ride globalization, it needs a globalized workforce at all levels.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Feb 2017 20:21

for india, it would be good first step if we can attract good phd candidates and workers from eastern europe. many countries there have strong STEM traditions.

but with our major cities being at various stages of being unlivable due to 'civic issues' its a tall order competing for such talent even if the money paid is good.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 20 Feb 2017 21:56

by NRao
I do not know, We have a boat load of NRIs, but no NRI can get elected to even a school Board!!! I mean we are loaded.

In hinterland of USA., People get elected

Who volunteer in fire department.
Who volunteer with local police department (to help during a big accident on a highway for example).
Who volunteer during elections and pick a party early on.
Who decide their political cause and work for that cause.
Who have volunteered as a soldier in US armed forces.
Who volunteer at every given opportunity (school/hospital/local issues/etc)

Not people who have money!!
People with money do not get elected at grassroots local level (may be by Presidential or Senate race)., they might be able to get politicians work for their cause (declare this land as residential/business/etc) but people usually vote for popular people as oppose to rich.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 Feb 2017 22:08

indian emigres typically keep their heads down and avoid involvement in host country politics... that starts to change by the 2nd generation

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 20 Feb 2017 23:16

Lalmohan wrote:indian emigres typically keep their heads down and avoid involvement in host country politics... that starts to change by the 2nd generation

Indian immigrants to the US have been a different group compared to others. They have come mostly for higher education or the strong desire to start businesses. The only comparison could be made to the Japanese Americans. The 2nd generation of Indians in the US are already involved in local politics and have been mostly to the Democratic Party due to Democrats recruiting on college campuses.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Feb 2017 23:56

2016 elections elected 4-5 Indian Americans to Congress which is quite a feat.

Long ago we had Dalip Singh Saund as a Congressman. And then a drought.
Bobby Jindal to his credit won as a non Indian American from Louisiana.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 21 Feb 2017 02:42

As well as the US ambassador to the UN, our very own Nimrata Randhawa aka Nikki Haley aka governor of the secessionist state of South Carolina.

I'm happy for the 4-5 Indian Americans getting elected to the US congress regardless of party, but less happy about political shill sycophants like Neera Tanden who exemplify the nasty woman epitaph. Like Durkha Butt.

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 21 Feb 2017 10:27

Not really India-US, don't know where to post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6ugQP2v9Bg