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India-US relations: News and Discussions III

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby A_Gupta » 09 Feb 2017 19:57

Quote from the WSJ and commentary on it by Trumpists:
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semp ... n-ttg.html

“Trump Administration Looks at Driving Wedge Between Russia and Iran”

By Jay Solomon, Feb. 5, 2017 7:47 p.m. ET

“WASHINGTON—The Trump administration is exploring ways to break Russia’s military and diplomatic alliance with Iran in a bid to both end the Syrian conflict and bolster the fight against Islamic State, said senior administration, European and Arab officials involved in the policy discussions.

The emerging strategy seeks to reconcile President Donald Trump’s seemingly contradictory vows to improve relations with Russian President Vladimir Putin and to aggressively challenge the military presence of Iran - one of Moscow’s most critical allies—in the Middle East, these officials say.

A senior administration official said the White House doesn’t have any illusions about Russia or see Mr. Putin as a “choir boy,” despite further conciliatory statements from Mr. Trump about the Russian leader over the weekend. But the official said that the administration doesn’t view Russia as the same existential threat that the Soviet Union posed to the U.S. during the Cold War and that Mr. Trump was committed to constraining Iran.

“If there’s a wedge to be driven between Russia and Iran, we’re willing to explore that,” the official said.” (WSJ)


What is the goal here, besides continuing to uphold the notion that America is the indispensable nation destined to shape the world to its messianic vision? The only discontinuity from the previous Borg hegemonic policy is the laudable desire for a peaceful and cooperative relationship with Russia. Other than that, there's still a slavish obedience to Likudnik demands. Does the Trump Administration want this better relationship with Russia more than it wants to destroy the Shia Crescent and please Israel?

Trump has much to bargain with. He can end the sanctions targeting Russia and acknowledge a Russian sphere of influence in its near abroad. Would this be enough to entice Putin into abandoning Iran and dismantling the R+6 coalition in Syria? It might be tempting, but I doubt Putin will bite. I think the long game here is the Russian desire to establish a bulwark against the Wahabbi jihadist threat on its southern flank. That bulwark would dissolve with a weakened Iran and Syria and a U.S. backed Saudi Arabia.

I guess we’ll find out soon enough who’s the real champion of the art of the deal.


What do BRFers make of this: "I think the long game here is the Russian desire to establish a bulwark against the Wahabbi jihadist threat on its southern flank. That bulwark would dissolve with a weakened Iran and Syria and a U.S. backed Saudi Arabia."

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby NRao » 09 Feb 2017 20:22

^^^^^

A number fo topics of interest, but a couple here:

* Russia needs Iran for financing the Syrian effort. No Iran, no Russian presence in Syria - even the port facilities in Syria (which Russia is expected to expand). Or at least I cannot see that happening.

In that respect Russia stands to lose substantial military earning from Iran. DO not know how that will impact the "wedge"

* Russia does not see Iran as anything special - just a convince that arose in the context of Syria. I just do not see any connection with Wahabi stuff. Russia will face, liek anyone else that threat






However, this does place India in a difficult spot. Last thing India wants is Iran being cornered - it hurts India. And, yet India is in no position to punch her way through at the moment.


(But, on the flip side, full marks to Trump. Will stop there.)

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby prahaar » 09 Feb 2017 20:32

Those outraging about US immigration, many EU countries demand six months transaction records for providing visa to children. Foreign travel means full surrender, no ifs and buts. And this is in the so-called utopian human rights EU-land. I so wish that many EU intellectuals/media first look in their own girebaan.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby NRao » 09 Feb 2017 20:39

Just a data point from WashPost:

Call me, maybe? Trump changes his tone and reaches out to China’s president.

Trump once described China as an "enemy." But this week, he sent a letter to Xi Jinping, saying he wanted to "develop a constructive relationship," according to the White House. Trump also wished China a happy lunar new year — 11 days late.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby A_Gupta » 09 Feb 2017 21:01

prahaar wrote:Those outraging about US immigration, many EU countries demand six months transaction records for providing visa to children


What "transaction records"? Bank, credit card, utilities, share purchases????????????

PS: aha, bank statements.
https://travelvisabookings.com/schengen ... ete-guide/
Variously you require:
Original bank statements of the applicant for last three months, with the original stamp and signature of authorized signatory of the bank

If you are employed:

Employment contract or your latest 4 months salary slips.
Current bank statement of the latest 6 months

If you are self-employed:

A copy of your business license
Company bank statement of the latest 6 months
Income Tax Return (ITR)

----
This is to ensure you have enough money to pay for your visit. If someone is sponsoring you, then the sponsor has similar reporting requirements. It may be simpler to simply produce the bank statement showing all transactions, but AFAIK, a statement showing the average balance for each month is enough.

--- Providing the financial information is very different from providing access to all the information on your cell phone and your internet passwords. You are proving your credit-worthiness in the first case. In the latter case, there is at least one claim from Mexico that a woman's valid US visa was cancelled when the border agent found material mocking Trump on her cellphone.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby komal » 09 Feb 2017 21:22

prahaar wrote:Those outraging about US immigration, many EU countries demand six months transaction records for providing visa to children. Foreign travel means full surrender, no ifs and buts. And this is in the so-called utopian human rights EU-land. I so wish that many EU intellectuals/media first look in their own girebaan.


USA != EUROPE. And that has been true since, at least, 1776.

All this is changing under the new administration, but

1) The USA was never a Christian Theocracy

2) Offered government subsidized (if not free) education upto and including University level to all (not just the sons of the privileged)

Just two historical differences between Europe and the USA

Alas, that is being traded in for a few photo ops for a chip plant in AZ.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby chetak » 09 Feb 2017 23:39

twitter

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Banning immigrants is for kids, real man ban notes.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby connan » 10 Feb 2017 01:18

Not sure if this is the right thread, but my friend who is a chinese national with big manufacturing plants in china and is very well connected to the party. I spoke to him yesterday about how the economy was doing in China and per him, the next 30 years are going to be the golden years for China...much better than the previous 30. The reason: Trump is backing USA off from different markets and China is well poised to fill the gap. There is tremendous optimism within the Chinese business community as they completely believe China will take over as the go-to country within the next few years.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby Melwyn » 10 Feb 2017 01:34

Isn't that what a lot of American politicians are also saying. By withdrawing from TPP, Trump has basically handed over reigns of power to China in a platter. He is just a true avatar of Kejri babu.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby komal » 10 Feb 2017 01:35

connan wrote:Not sure if this is the right thread, but my friend who is a chinese national with big manufacturing plants in china and is very well connected to the party. I spoke to him yesterday about how the economy was doing in China and per him, the next 30 years are going to be the golden years for China...much better than the previous 30. The reason: Trump is backing USA off from different markets and China is well poised to fill the gap. There is tremendous optimism within the Chinese business community as they completely believe China will take over as the go-to country within the next few years.


Met with a Chinese group for their New Year's Celebration. Expressed very similar views. Much like Japan transitioned in the mid 1960s from cheap imitations products to cars and electronics, they believe China will make a similar transition.

Their views is that Trump, in a few weeks, has almost killed a key advantage the USA had over the rest of the world -- attracting the smartest people in the world to its shores. The USA won the nuclear race due to immigrants. Immigrants played vital roles in the USA space program was migrants. Immigrants have played a crucial role in computers, pharmaceuticals and medicine, and engineering. it is hard for China to compete against the rest of world. Much easier if the smartest no longer go to the USA.

Just reporting what I heard.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby NRao » 10 Feb 2017 01:59

connan wrote:Not sure if this is the right thread, but my friend who is a chinese national with big manufacturing plants in china and is very well connected to the party. I spoke to him yesterday about how the economy was doing in China and per him, the next 30 years are going to be the golden years for China...much better than the previous 30. The reason: Trump is backing USA off from different markets and China is well poised to fill the gap. There is tremendous optimism within the Chinese business community as they completely believe China will take over as the go-to country within the next few years.


Your post has YUGE mistakes. Who told you Trump is "backing off from different markets"? Where did anyone get THAT from?

That is being over optimistic.

Trump *never* said that he will stop trade. So, what makes the Chinese so confident?

Trump has always maintained that he will redo the agreements on a bilateral AND FAIR basis. What if, and I suspect here is the kicker, he makes a better deal?

We and China needs to wait till Trump has his team in place and start making deals. So far he has been FAR better than previous presidents. And a bilateral deal can be made FAR faster. As quickly as 60-90 days. China cannot match that with MULTILATERAL trade deals. NEVER.

And, when China does make the multilateral trade deals, Trump, because of hi bilateral deals can renegotiate on the fly and beat China. You see he does not have to wait for anyone other than that particular nation to make a deal.

And, if China resorts to bilateral - they are where Trump is. So, what is the diff?
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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby V_Raman » 10 Feb 2017 02:25

A white guy coming to USA is not an immigrant - technically he is, but culturally no. Call me out the day Trump imposes such a ban on a Caucasian country!

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby prahaar » 10 Feb 2017 02:31

A_Gupta wrote:
prahaar wrote:Those outraging about US immigration, many EU countries demand six months transaction records for providing visa to children


What "transaction records"? Bank, credit card, utilities, share purchases????????????

PS: aha, bank statements.
https://travelvisabookings.com/schengen ... ete-guide/
Variously you require:
Original bank statements of the applicant for last three months, with the original stamp and signature of authorized signatory of the bank

If you are employed:

Employment contract or your latest 4 months salary slips.
Current bank statement of the latest 6 months

If you are self-employed:

A copy of your business license
Company bank statement of the latest 6 months
Income Tax Return (ITR)

----
This is to ensure you have enough money to pay for your visit. If someone is sponsoring you, then the sponsor has similar reporting requirements. It may be simpler to simply produce the bank statement showing all transactions, but AFAIK, a statement showing the average balance for each month is enough.

--- Providing the financial information is very different from providing access to all the information on your cell phone and your internet passwords. You are proving your credit-worthiness in the first case. In the latter case, there is at least one claim from Mexico that a woman's valid US visa was cancelled when the border agent found material mocking Trump on her cellphone.


My last post on this. Creditworthiness does not require knowing every transaction in last six months. I am not surprised as selective outrage about Trump policies.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby NRao » 10 Feb 2017 02:32

V_Raman wrote:A white guy coming to USA is not an immigrant - technically he is, but culturally no. Call me out the day Trump imposes such a ban on a Caucasian country!


IF "culture" is the operative word, then everyone is an immigrant. The "white guy" blends in better and feels safer to only the extent that s/he is white. However, the moment they open their mouth the cat is out of the bag. The US, like any country, is different - culturally. It better be.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby prahaar » 10 Feb 2017 02:32

komal wrote:
prahaar wrote:Those outraging about US immigration, many EU countries demand six months transaction records for providing visa to children. Foreign travel means full surrender, no ifs and buts. And this is in the so-called utopian human rights EU-land. I so wish that many EU intellectuals/media first look in their own girebaan.


USA != EUROPE. And that has been true since, at least, 1776.

All this is changing under the new administration, but

1) The USA was never a Christian Theocracy

2) Offered government subsidized (if not free) education upto and including University level to all (not just the sons of the privileged)

Just two historical differences between Europe and the USA

Alas, that is being traded in for a few photo ops for a chip plant in AZ.


Europeans describe Khanlanders are bible thumping Christian crusaders and contrast the egalitarian free education in Europe even in universities with elitist US education policies which unduly favor the rich.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby V_Raman » 10 Feb 2017 02:35

No way the smartest people will go to China! The smartest white people will always go to other white countries and drive the innovation!! At some level all of this is orchestrated as the only guy who can such things and get away with it is Trump. This travel ban will get reinstated either by appeals court or by supreme court.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby NRao » 10 Feb 2017 02:37

The travel ban will come into force, but not in its current form.

No need to go to any court, just modify those portions that step on someones toes.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby komal » 10 Feb 2017 04:30

V_Raman wrote:No way the smartest people will go to China! The smartest white people will always go to other white countries and drive the innovation!! At some level all of this is orchestrated as the only guy who can such things and get away with it is Trump. This travel ban will get reinstated either by appeals court or by supreme court.


No one suggests that the smartest will go to China. The feeling is that the smartest in China can compete with the USA as long as the USA also does not have access to the smartest Eastern Europeans, Indians, Koreans, Filipinos, etc.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby komal » 10 Feb 2017 04:32

prahaar wrote:
komal wrote:
USA != EUROPE. And that has been true since, at least, 1776.

All this is changing under the new administration, but

1) The USA was never a Christian Theocracy

2) Offered government subsidized (if not free) education upto and including University level to all (not just the sons of the privileged)

Just two historical differences between Europe and the USA

Alas, that is being traded in for a few photo ops for a chip plant in AZ.


Europeans describe Khanlanders are bible thumping Christian crusaders and contrast the egalitarian free education in Europe even in universities with elitist US education policies which unduly favor the rich.


USA had land grant universities since the 19th century that provided the technical talent to let the USA win the industrial revolution. And the Christian Crusaders came from Europe not the USA.

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Postby gashish » 10 Feb 2017 05:26

komal wrote:
V_Raman wrote:No way the smartest people will go to China! The smartest white people will always go to other white countries and drive the innovation!! At some level all of this is orchestrated as the only guy who can such things and get away with it is Trump. This travel ban will get reinstated either by appeals court or by supreme court.


No one suggests that the smartest will go to China. The feeling is that the smartest in China can compete with the USA as long as the USA also does not have access to the smartest Eastern Europeans, Indians, Koreans, Filipinos, etc.


^^ the limitation on Chinese innovation primarily stems from within than from external competition.

The Communist Party requires a representative to be present in every company with more than 50 employees. Every firm with more than 100 employees must have a party cell, whose leader reports directly to the party in the municipality or province.


Parts of Chinese economy - internet companies (tencent ,baidu etc)- that have shown solid and consistent innovation are the ones that are least meddled by the government. And even these have delivered incremental innovations, not pure science and engineering based innovation.

As long SOEs reign supreme in Chinese economy, party secretaries sit on the board of companies and universities, innovation is mandated top-down, and incentive for incremental innovation remains higher than absolute innovation, China is unlikely to dethrone US from the apex of innovation powerhouse, nothwithstanding Trumpanzee's primatal antics.

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Postby V_Raman » 10 Feb 2017 05:31

komal wrote:No one suggests that the smartest will go to China. The feeling is that the smartest in China can compete with the USA as long as the USA also does not have access to the smartest Eastern Europeans, Indians, Koreans, Filipinos, etc.


The smartest Indians will always get to go to the USA! They will never get blocked!! They will always let in the eastern/western europeans depending on their smartness. Those smart people will not stop from applying for visa regardless of how small the quota gets. USA does not want to let in people from middle-east/africa/pure-lands and reduce the number from India/Europe so jobs can go to natives.

I don't really blame them. Many of the IT support jobs done by Indians can be done by the natives and they pay close to the median income if not more. That is a very good income in USA.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby komal » 10 Feb 2017 05:48

V_Raman wrote:
komal wrote:No one suggests that the smartest will go to China. The feeling is that the smartest in China can compete with the USA as long as the USA also does not have access to the smartest Eastern Europeans, Indians, Koreans, Filipinos, etc.


The smartest Indians will always get to go to the USA! They will never get blocked!! They will always let in the eastern/western europeans depending on their smartness. Those smart people will not stop from applying for visa regardless of how small the quota gets. USA does not want to let in people from middle-east/africa/pure-lands and reduce the number from India/Europe so jobs can go to natives.

I don't really blame them. Many of the IT support jobs done by Indians can be done by the natives and they pay close to the median income if not more. That is a very good income in USA.


Trump and his minions want to block all non-white immigration. They would rather lose the technology race than see some SDRE managing white people. That is what galls them more than anything.

The smartest Indians came to the USA in the 1970s and they were able to later bring in their spouses, brothers/sisters, parents. If you can't bring your spouse in or your family, you lose incentive to stay here.

No one doubts that even the people of Alabama can do IT support work. The problem is that they have no desire to stay in that job for any length of time. It is a stepping stone to something better. Indians and others will do those jobs for much longer periods of time.

You can get natives willing to write new code.Try to find a native willing to modify/fix code written fifteen yeas ago.

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Postby komal » 10 Feb 2017 05:54

gashish wrote:
The Communist Party requires a representative to be present in every company with more than 50 employees. Every firm with more than 100 employees must have a party cell, whose leader reports directly to the party in the municipality or province.


Parts of Chinese economy - internet companies (tencent ,baidu etc)- that have shown solid and consistent innovation are the ones that are least meddled by the government. And even these have delivered incremental innovations, not pure science and engineering based innovation.

As long SOEs reign supreme in Chinese economy, party secretaries sit on the board of companies and universities, innovation is mandated top-down, and incentive for incremental innovation remains higher than absolute innovation, China is unlikely to dethrone US from the apex of innovation powerhouse, nothwithstanding Trumpanzee's primatal antics.


Ironically, the Chinese business model where party secretaries sit on boards of companies is the Trump model. Basis business decisions (location of plants, source of labor) now requires government blessing. Companies will submit plans to the GOP to coordinate photo ops. Nehru would be envious.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby V_Raman » 10 Feb 2017 06:20

komal wrote:No one doubts that even the people of Alabama can do IT support work. The problem is that they have no desire to stay in that job for any length of time. It is a stepping stone to something better. Indians and others will do those jobs for much longer periods of time.

You can get natives willing to write new code.Try to find a native willing to modify/fix code written fifteen yeas ago.


There are countless white people in support who continue to work there for many many years. There are many white people who can be found to fix old code!! My wife was a recruiter and this is incorrect assumption on our part.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby Yagnasri » 10 Feb 2017 06:32

Somehow and suddenly we seem to this we are the great savers of the US software industry. Other than the social reasons there is no reason a white guy can not do the same job as the brown guy in the IT industry or any other one. Maybe there are no trained people around immediately. But if the US wants it can have the workforce ready for at least low-end jobs quite soon.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby komal » 10 Feb 2017 06:35

V_Raman wrote:
komal wrote:No one doubts that even the people of Alabama can do IT support work. The problem is that they have no desire to stay in that job for any length of time. It is a stepping stone to something better. Indians and others will do those jobs for much longer periods of time.

You can get natives willing to write new code.Try to find a native willing to modify/fix code written fifteen yeas ago.


There are countless white people in support who continue to work there for many many years. There are many white people who can be found to fix old code!! My wife was a recruiter and this is incorrect assumption on our part.


Sorry, not my experience in the financial world. In fact, a top four bank wants to move an entire legacy C coding team (30+) to India (coders, QA,etc) because they know they won't be able hire local talent to replace H1-B at any price. There will only be 2 local PMs.

But, your side has won. So what I think matters very little.

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Postby komal » 10 Feb 2017 06:40

Yagnasri wrote:Somehow and suddenly we seem to this we are the great savers of the US software industry. Other than the social reasons there is no reason a white guy can not do the same job as the brown guy in the IT industry or any other one. Maybe there are no trained people around immediately. But if the US wants it can have the workforce ready for at least low-end jobs quite soon.


One thing Wall Street found out early on (crica 1980) is that the low end brown guy from India actually does the job much better than the local white guy.

And Wall Street (like any profit motivated industry) will find a way to maintain access to that quality resource.

All Trump has done is to move more jobs offshore. With Skype, webinars, Google Hangouts, the need for face to face interaction is so 2015. With H1, the salaries were paid here and the workers spent the money here. Now, the money will go off shore.

Industrial jobs are not moving back to the USA. And neither are IT jobs.

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Postby Mort Walker » 10 Feb 2017 08:57

^^^We'll wait for the actual figures on manufacturing in a couple of years.

IT is a vast area. IT related to finance, banking, accounting and consumer services may go offshore, but IT for science, engineering and medicine is predominantly in the US and will remain so.

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Postby komal » 10 Feb 2017 09:17

Mort Walker wrote:^^^We'll wait for the actual figures on manufacturing in a couple of years.

IT is a vast area. IT related to finance, banking, accounting and consumer services may go offshore, but IT for science, engineering and medicine is predominantly in the US and will remain so.


Agreed. However, but it is not just IT that can be outsourced. Much paralegal work and work in such defined legal areas as patent filings can and are being outsourced. As I've learned, such services a developing powerpoints, producing ad campaigns, even writing jingles can be outsourced to firms in such countries as Ireland and India.

They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind

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Postby NRao » 10 Feb 2017 09:29

komal wrote:One thing Wall Street found out early on (crica 1980) is that the low end brown guy from India actually does the job much better than the local white guy.

And Wall Street (like any profit motivated industry) will find a way to maintain access to that quality resource.


Not sure of teh first sentence, but I agree with the second

All Trump has done is to move more jobs offshore. With Skype, webinars, Google Hangouts, the need for face to face interaction is so 2015. With H1, the salaries were paid here and the workers spent the money here. Now, the money will go off shore.


How come? What is your logic/thinking? IF Trump is to be taken at his word, he has said buy American and employ Americans. So, what makes you think they will be send off-shore?

BTW, my old consulting company is already witnessing job creation within the US. That will mean less jobs in India (for this company, question is how much less).

Industrial jobs are not moving back to the USA. And neither are IT jobs.


There are various models here. The present model could be (I am betting it will be) discarded. This, IMHO, need not be a zero sum game. I think China, as an example, will retain her workforce and YET generate jobs in the US. So too Japan. The UK will have to compromise and make a deal. Same with India.

I think we need to wait and see what happens with Japan this week. Then the UK and finally with China.

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Postby komal » 10 Feb 2017 09:45

NRao wrote:
How come? What is your logic/thinking? IF Trump is to be taken at his word, he has said buy American and employ Americans. So, what makes you think they will be send off-shore?




Just because the President demands something doesn't mean that Americans will bow down and comply.

And Americans don't want American things. They want German cars. They want Japanese/Korean electronics. And they want Indian software engineers and financial engineers.

Most importantly, Trump has already destroyed the market greatest American export -- our Treasury securities. First Japanese and then Chinese buying of that debt since the 1980s has fueled American economic expansion. Those purchases pay for the welfare programs on which Trump supporters are so dependent.

Have no idea what the future holds -- but rates are already up 100 basis points and he hasn't even started his spending programs.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby Yagnasri » 10 Feb 2017 10:08

Cross post from understanding US thread:

It seems that Lizardees have contacted Ivanka and her Hus and arranged some party etc for them. Her kid singing song and Lizard tongue also in that party. Now One China Zindabad. DT is a bit crazy and seems to be impulsive one. At least by his SM Postings. Other than that there is nothing new with a GOP cabinet except this one will be more ideologically driven.
End cross post:

In international relations, I think there will be less US intervention except in EJ activities. We will face problem on that count. We will face issues with workers Visas also. That already started. Except that we may not be having much of an issue.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby Melwyn » 10 Feb 2017 11:14

Chinese have DT figured our pretty well.

First, Jack Ma meets DT and does some business. JM even offers to help create a million jobs in mid west states with chini help. There might have been an offer of personal business benefit which is exactly what we are seeing now.

Basically DT is selling favors to the highest bidder just as HRC used to do via her foundation etc. Where does this leave US interests?

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby komal » 10 Feb 2017 12:16

amitkv wrote:Chinese have DT figured our pretty well.

First, Jack Ma meets DT and does some business. JM even offers to help create a million jobs in mid west states with chini help. There might have been an offer of personal business benefit which is exactly what we are seeing now.

Basically DT is selling favors to the highest bidder just as HRC used to do via her foundation etc. Where does this leave US interests?


All one has to do is promise jobs, praise DT in public and DT believes that those jobs will be created.
And in the meantime, the Chinese have stopped purchase of Treasury securities.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby Paul » 10 Feb 2017 13:53

A lot of smoke here. Will take a year for it to clear up. I am sceptical to the notion that US will somehow avoid acrimony with PRC by giving up SCS to China. Trouble is China is very hungry and wants the entire western Pacific, Inspite of Mad Gog Mattis and DT's utterances, the only way for US to avoid military confrontation with China is giving up US allies in East Asia.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby prahaar » 10 Feb 2017 14:37

Komalji, you can live with the self-image of US. The problem lies in the fact that US claims Greco-Roman as its cultural heritage (not native American culture), ever wondered why millions of teenage Americans make a trip to their Mecca? I will always look at US from the point of view of India since this is Bharat-Rakshak. US has been most aggressive in exporting its ideology via bombs, business, broadcast content.

American might be anything for Americans but it is certainly not too different compared to European wannabe powers in terms of zero concern for lives of non-Americans. Trump should be analyzed with the prism of his impact on Indian interests (NRIs do constitute Indian interest although not THE interest).

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby Lalmohan » 10 Feb 2017 15:22

meanwhile, Agent Orange has affirmed the One China policy in a call with Emperor Xi

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby NRao » 11 Feb 2017 06:01

Tesla to India. By summer? So says Mr. Musk.





Meanwhile, on jobs to the US, Abe pledged $150 billion, translating to an estimated 70,000 jobs. Areas include high speed trains (in 3 corridors), space!!, AI, robotics, among others.

US-Japan also laid down the framework for negotiating a new trade deal.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby darshan » 11 Feb 2017 06:48

komal wrote:Sorry, not my experience in the financial world. In fact, a top four bank wants to move an entire legacy C coding team (30+) to India (coders, QA,etc) because they know they won't be able hire local talent to replace H1-B at any price. There will only be 2 local PMs.

But, your side has won. So what I think matters very little.


Just the C code? That is it. In my industry, I run into more than enough non brown people reverse engineering legacy codes and go through obsolescense all the time. And not only in C but ADA, FORTRAN, assembly,... Oh, btw consider yourself lucky that the most of them seem to be interested in working for their country and consider financial industry to be a disease that needs to be cured since S&L crisis else they would mope the wall street floor with these irreplaceable C ninja warriors that you are referring to. Everyone is replaceable.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Postby Karthik S » 11 Feb 2017 07:10

NRao wrote:Meanwhile, on jobs to the US, Abe pledged $150 billion, translating to an estimated 70,000 jobs. Areas include high speed trains (in 3 corridors), space!!, AI, robotics, among others.

US-Japan also laid down the framework for negotiating a new trade deal.


Wish it were India. Similar money can generate far more jobs here. We only got HSR apart from training 30k odd Indian workers.


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