J&K News and Discussion - 2016

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby GShankar » 09 Apr 2017 22:15

this seems like chinese hand in the paki musharraf. The right excuse for at least one more surgery or starting amputation.

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Postby chetak » 09 Apr 2017 23:11

GShankar wrote:this seems like chinese hand in the paki musharraf. The right excuse for at least one more surgery or starting amputation.


The hans are very definitely complicit in this.

time to turn on the tibet heat??

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby GShankar » 10 Apr 2017 00:20

Yes, the pigeon is unusually silent. To my limited geograhical mind, gwadar needs to be handled first. Sort of like one stone two birds?

The argument could be made for any location in cpec but the impact would be highest in gwadar imo.

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Postby chetak » 10 Apr 2017 01:20

GShankar wrote:Yes, the pigeon is unusually silent. To my limited geograhical mind, gwadar needs to be handled first. Sort of like one stone two birds?

The argument could be made for any location in cpec but the impact would be highest in gwadar imo.


Attended a talk on strategy by a widely respected group of defence thinkers. There were also hard core operational types and not just mere strategists only.

One gem that stuck with me was that L&T has been asked to go slow on chabahar because of the uncertainty of the looming US sanctions on Iran.

Don't expect any public utterances from the pigeon. This entire region seems to be enveloped in uncertainty. No significant player in this region is free from uncertainty and most have hit the pause button momentarily waiting anxiously to see which way the winds would blow when they do pick up again.

The chinese carriers, those about to become operational as well as those fast completing new builds are bothering many stakeholders in the region as well as beyond.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby CRamS » 10 Apr 2017 02:40

sudeepj wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/violence-hits-by-polls-8-dead-in-srinagar-bjp-cong-clashes-in-madhya-pradesh/articleshow/58094730.cms

Pakistanis have managed to turn the clock back to 1989.



IMO, this was planned the day PDP and BJP entered into a statesman-like coalition to make a genuine effort to get things back to normal. Pakis with their Indian cohorts (NC, Congoons etc) sabotaged that game plan big time. There was no way TSP would have allowed valley to return to normal, but what is shocking is the behavior of traitors within. If you recall these pages, a while back I posted my impressions after attending one of those "Sooth Asia" events. There was one lady there on the panel who is the grand daughter of Sheikh Abdullah. After the event, when I casually told her that Farooq Abdullah is pro-India, she laughed and said thats news to her. After observing this traitor past few months, now I know why she was laughing at my naivete.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby sum » 10 Apr 2017 06:12

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 094730.cms

Pakistanis have managed to turn the clock back to 1989.

Either our counter intel has completely failed in those regions or the TSP-ians have managed to outsmart us( with extra Chinese help) or the population there is beyond reprieve and radicalised 400% ( which means beyong point of return)

All the options are terrible to think of

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Postby sudeepj » 10 Apr 2017 06:56

I believe there is inadequate effort by the state apparatus to defang the protests. The streets and the mosques have been completely ceded to the jihadis. In reality, our response must be to destroy the hegemony of the Islamist narrative even inside their home! (This is why the burqa, triple talaq battles are important.. the hegemony starts from inside the home and expands out) yet they are allowed to stone brave jawans in the hope of 'in time the anger will dissipate.. if we react the anger will increase'. If whatever you do makes the anger increase, get rid of the angry ones from your life!!

1. If whatsapp is being used to conjure flash mobs, whatsapp must be forced to cooperate in identifying the miscreants.
2. Other apps used for terrorism such as telegram should be banned outright.
3. People like the Abdullas should be banned from politics for 6 years by the EC so alternate patriotic leaders can be cultivated.

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Postby sum » 10 Apr 2017 07:10

^^ Problem is that every single person even "groomed" from the valley part of J&K takes in all the goodies and says all the right things but will eventually turn around and do exactly what we are seeing all the other valley based "leaders" doing.

After all the first hand interactions with KMs inside J&K( when there for holiday) and outside, i believe we have gone well past point of no return and the few good things we will hear from time to time is just the Taqqiyya which is to make the outsider feel happy. Despite whatever we laugh on the Chinese model in Xinjiang, that would have been the only model to keep things in check once we had regianed control in the late 90s.

If the IA was weak today and the PA tries to repeat a Op Gibraltar, i have my doubts if the KMs would help the IA like they did in 65. Its just the relative weakness of PA and the strong IA which is holding things together( since the population has gone fully Islamist unlike in the 60s).

Might be wrong but IMO, this is what im seeing

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby chetak » 10 Apr 2017 10:44

mehbooba is actively aiding and abetting this entire "uprising" with her calculated "will not react, will not be provoked" policies. Her activities neatly dovetail into the paki govt activities.

She has actively discouraged the police and the army from carrying out their duties in the interests of what she calls "peace".

She has grabbed central resources for the valley only, released kattarpanthi prisoners and given aid to the separatists. This is all obviously preparation for the next elections. The BJP is going along like a bunch of sheep being led to the slaughter. They are not asserting themselves like a national and nationalist party should be doing.

Everything has gone rapidly downhill ever since the PDP appeared on the scene. The pakis couldn't have asked for a better ally than the PDP. The BJP will be blamed for all the unrest and are being set up as the fall guys by the cunning sunni muslims.

They have changed the demographics of jammu, settled the rohingiyas and beedis there, given them ration and aadhar cards and maybe even Indian passports.

The Modi govt wants to expel the rohingiyas to where?? which idiotic country will accept them now?? The bleedy BJP sat quietly these many years even when the rohingiyas were being pushed in on a daily basis.

How did they cross the border from beedi into India without many govt agencies being complicit in the matter??

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Vikas » 10 Apr 2017 11:26

Give peace a chance, quadrificate J&K.

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Postby Sachin » 10 Apr 2017 11:55

chetak wrote:They have changed the demographics of jammu, settled the rohingiyas and beedis there, given them ration and aadhar cards and maybe even Indian passports.

How and when did this start happening? The Rohingyas landing up in Jammu seems to be a well planned activity. Rohingyas are people who are more used to the sea coast, and ideally they should find Jammu (cold etc.) to be a more inhospitable place. But then who cleverly bought them to Jammu? A bit surprised that our own intelligence agencies allowed this to happen.

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Postby manjgu » 10 Apr 2017 12:26

the essence of J&K is ..the paki danda is much bigger and dangerous than indian danda... rest all is BS...

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Postby Karthik S » 10 Apr 2017 12:40

manjgu wrote:the essence of J&K is ..the paki danda is much bigger and dangerous than indian danda... rest all is BS...


Ours is bigger, just that we are unwilling to swing it.

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Postby manjgu » 10 Apr 2017 12:56

ok..i concur..the essence though is the same.

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Postby Philip » 10 Apr 2017 14:16

We are too lenient with the stone throwers and other anti-national elements.We should restart prisons in the A&N islands,from where escape is impossible,and send all pro-Paki elements and other offal to these "resorts".There they can cool their heels amidst crocs,bloodthirsty natives,et al,,spending a few years of rigorous imprisonment-building more prisons for more anti-national riff-raff,as well provideinga pool of convict labour for building and upgrading defence installations,

Our riot control methods should be enhanced.Stinky dye bombs whose colour cannot be washed off for sev. days,will allow the forces to identify those who've taken part in illegal demos,stone-throwing ,etc. Robotic stone-throwing machines can "return the compliment" to the Paki-loving swine. Bombs of itching powder can also be used abundantly.Confiscation of property of rioters and those assisting terrorists must be mandatory.

Finally,new settlements/built like fortresses to house the Kashmiri Pandits must be built all over the state.They would also house mil. personnel and be as terrorist-proof in design as far as poss. These settlements should be self contained,with schools,hospitals/clinics,recreation and shopping facilities inbuilt and can also feature housing for other supporting personnel from other states of India.The Pandits will own their property-gifted by the state,while those occupied by other Indians,will be leased for the period of their occupancy like Govt. quarters.Why are we spending billions on the jihadis and not the Pandits? Those residing in these settlements must also be given para-mil trg. and some basic weaponry (under control of the forces in peacetime) with which they can defend themselves in case of war These forts/settlements could be named after famous Kashmiri Pandits .For example: Fort Motilal,Fort Jawahar,Fort Indira,Fort Kaul,etc. I'm sure there would be no objection from the Congress! :rotfl: In Ladakh we could have more such settlements for the Tibetan/Buddhist diaspora,named after famous Tibetan monks like..Tenzin Gyatso!

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Postby arun » 10 Apr 2017 16:01

X Posted from the Islamism thread.

The practise of stone pelting followed by Mohammaddens to thwart anti terrorist security operations in the State of Jammu & Kashmir in our Country, India, seems to also be a practise followed by Mohammaddens in distant Sweden:

Swedish anti-terror police 'pelted with stones' while investigating Stockholm attack

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby chetak » 10 Apr 2017 16:05

arun wrote:X Posted from the Islamism thread.

The practise of stone pelting followed by Mohammaddens to thwart anti terrorist security operations in the State of Jammu & Kashmir in our Country, India, seems to also be a practise followed by Mohammaddens in distant Sweden:

Swedish anti-terror police 'pelted with stones' while investigating Stockholm attack


It started out against the israelis in palestine.

After a few momin were shot by the IDF, wiser counsel seems to have prevailed against the stone throwing.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby sudeepj » 11 Apr 2017 03:25

Seeing horrendous videos on twitter of Indian Army or CRPF soldiers being assaulted, kicked, beaten by random youthias and the jawans simply take it. I admire their discipline in not even pointing their weapons without orders, but this is intolerable and galling coming from a nationalist govt.

We are in the right in J&K and we should not behave as if we are not.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Rudradev » 11 Apr 2017 03:38

It was my understanding that a lot of the stone-pelting type incidents had diminished following demonetization (for obvious reasons). How come it seems to be back with a vengeance... because FICN forgeries of new 2ks and 500s are making their way into the valley? Or is it that USD payments are coming directly from Chinese coffers?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby sum » 11 Apr 2017 06:17

^^ I still believe that money is a very small reason and the real elephant in the room is being glossed over for known reasons. Its Malsi and completely radicalised section of population IMHO.

Im sure that even if every paisa was cut off, there would be no shortage of such folks from the valley to keep doing such stuff.

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Postby Rudradev » 11 Apr 2017 09:33

^^Problem with that theory is that there was, in fact, a sharp and documented decline of stone pelting during the demonetization period.

Of course Islamism is the Kore issue onlee. But the numbers of operatives actively getting into street fights with security forces has demonstrably ebbed and flowed in correlation to money supply as a motivator. KMs are poisonous fanatics but also cowards who need all the non religious motivation they can get.

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Postby Dipanker » 11 Apr 2017 10:04

There was no link between DeMo and stone pelting incidents. Stone pelting which started around July 8th had completely petered out by first week of October, more than month before the DeMo date of Nov. 8th.

Current bout of stone pelting is related to poll boycott and civilian/militants killings.
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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Karthik S » 11 Apr 2017 10:06

sudeepj wrote:Seeing horrendous videos on twitter of Indian Army or CRPF soldiers being assaulted, kicked, beaten by random youthias and the jawans simply take it. I admire their discipline in not even pointing their weapons without orders, but this is intolerable and galling coming from a nationalist govt.

We are in the right in J&K and we should not behave as if we are not.


Which country would tolerate all this? Why are our soldiers tolerating all this. NM has been a real disappointment in this regard. We are still p***yfooting.

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Postby shiv » 11 Apr 2017 10:13

We need to see more vidoes of this type - soldiers showing restrain in the face of provocation. All through the 90s and first decade after Y2K the army was accused of excesses while this stuff was hidden away. An alliance between secularists, Pakis and separatists ensured that our own people were blamed.

As more of this becomes public - opinion against Article 370 will rise. That needs to go.

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Postby Karthik S » 11 Apr 2017 13:13

shiv wrote:We need to see more vidoes of this type - soldiers showing restrain in the face of provocation. All through the 90s and first decade after Y2K the army was accused of excesses while this stuff was hidden away. An alliance between secularists, Pakis and separatists ensured that our own people were blamed.

As more of this becomes public - opinion against Article 370 will rise. That needs to go.


Shivji, people now have way more awareness that we had in 90s. The world has seen and experienced enough inside their own territory. We are in the mindset of first building proof and then acting (which is still to be done in many cases).

But this incident goes beyond all that. Which country will respect India and think of India as an important power, if our soldiers are kicked, humiliated with impunity. No major power throughout the history has commanded respect and fear by being nice to its traitors.
Art 370 is legal/constitutional matter, which must follow due process. But it's unfair to our soldiers to bear humiliation at the hands of KMs till we get to it. Just few days back these very soldiers were helping those thankless people.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Vikas » 11 Apr 2017 16:57

We can place all the army of the world in Kashmir but the problem wont go away. There has to be a bigger game plan to nip this problem for ever and road to peace in Kashmir goes through Bakistan juggler vein.
Sooner we understand it, better it would be.
As of now, I don't think GoI has any game plan other than maintaining the status quo or thorwing more money at KM while they throw back stones at us.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Rudradev » 11 Apr 2017 20:15

Dipanker wrote:There was no link between DeMo and stone pelting incidents. Stone pelting which started around July 8th had completely petered out by first week of October, more than month before the DeMo date of Nov. 8th.


Of course not. The secular Muslims of the valley, brimming with good-neighbourliness and "Kashmiriyat", stopped stone pelting from the first week of October out of respect for Dussehra, Diwali and other festivals being observed by their Hindoo birathers. They considerately waited until Holi was over to pick it up again. Nothing to do with demonetization at all :mrgreen:

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Postby manjgu » 11 Apr 2017 22:04

what has really caught my eye is number of small kids in footage coming out of kashmir and syria , Iraq etc. looks the woman have no role except as baby machines... these guys are either fornicating, pelting stones or shooting guns !! and all of them look well fed to boot..no sign of war ravaged famished sickly looking kids ...

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby VKumar » 12 Apr 2017 00:19

Pakistan getting desperate

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby sunnyP » 12 Apr 2017 00:55

It's a sad state of affairs when Rohingya Muslims are being settled in Jammu, while the Pandits remain in refugee camps.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Rudradev » 12 Apr 2017 01:00

On taking a close look, we see a few things:

1) The exact same techniques employed in "Arab Spring" and "Color Revolutions" have been employed in J&K with increasing intensity. Coordination of terrorist activity with "civilian"/"non-combatant" demonstrator activity to harass and demoralize security forces, with a social media blitz encompassing youtube/twitter etc. and of course with the usual atrocity-lit from more "official" MSM, "civil society" and "human rights" sources.

2) This had been going on since the time Burhan Wani was active. It was intensified when Burhan Wani was neutralized, leading to the first chorus of atrocity-lit concerning "pellet guns" etc. At the same time the more traditional channels of Paki terrorism could not sit still, and conducted cross-border attacks using BATs, for example in Uri.

3) The Uri attack handed the initiative back to GOI, which seized it using the surgical strike. This led to a reversal of the 4GW offensive against India in J&K for some time:
a) Internally, security forces went on the offensive against terrorist cells in J&K.
b) LoC was also kept hot, inhibiting infiltration attempts.
c) Demonetization played some role in denying funding to the local overground workers of terrorist organizations, and stone-pelting etc. reduced.
d) It could be argued that some of the international actors behind the 4GW offensive were distracted during this period by other priorities. Elections in the USA; Brexit and ISIS activity in the UK and EU; Involvement in Afghanistan, initial phase of CPEC, and aggressive posturing in the Indo-China sea by PRC; Absorption of Saudi Arabia in the Syrian conflict.

4) As of this year, and particularly following the UP election (which has established Modi's BJP as the Natural Party of Governance according to conventional wisdom amongst the political classes), the Arab Spring/Color Revolution formulation has started up again in full swing.

So who is behind it?
a) China, having laid the groundwork for CPEC both physically (setting up infrastructure) and politically (getting both Russia and the USA to buy in to OBOR?)
b) US deep state, having stabilized somewhat after expectations of a Trump shake-up proved to be unwarranted?
c) KSA? They had been alienated somewhat from TSPA/ISI following the latter's unwillingness to become involved in the Syria/Iraq conflict on the Sunni side. However, the appointment of Raheel Sharif as the GCC's Chowkidar-in-Chief may have ameliorated this in the recent past.
c) Others, including actors internal to India?

Pakistan is not only behind but in front of it of course. However, given their state, it is delusional for us to think of them as an actor with any sort of independent agency any more. They are now so irretrievably mortgaged as to have become only the hand-puppet of other powers.

One thing is for certain. The two-front war has already begun. As we could have expected, it is a 4GW, and it is not yet at the phase where having 126 Rafales or whatever would make a difference. China and Pakistan are working to precipitate in J&K what Russia did in Donetsk/Luhansk (and previously in Ingushetiya) and what US/Israel/Turkey/GCC achieved in Syria, or US/EU/GCC in Libya.

But in our case the fight is much more even-handed. We are no Ukraine, Georgia, Syria, or Libya.

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Postby ramana » 12 Apr 2017 01:39

Only US has the motive and inclination to do a color revolution. China is light years behind.
Russia can only hack unprotected servers.

US thinks J&K is the way to control China's CPEC and thus even Russia.

Note Nikki Haley's intervention at UN and not the SD.

Abdullah father and son(US is the unholy ghost) are siding with the stone-pelters.

Congress is playing second fiddle to their orchestra.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Dipanker » 12 Apr 2017 02:54

Rudradev wrote:
Dipanker wrote:There was no link between DeMo and stone pelting incidents. Stone pelting which started around July 8th had completely petered out by first week of October, more than month before the DeMo date of Nov. 8th.


Of course not. The secular Muslims of the valley, brimming with good-neighbourliness and "Kashmiriyat", stopped stone pelting from the first week of October out of respect for Dussehra, Diwali and other festivals being observed by their Hindoo birathers. They considerately waited until Holi was over to pick it up again. Nothing to do with demonetization at all :mrgreen:


My observation was based on diligent following of the news during the entire period including the pro-separatist rag GreaterKashmir which I check out daily to see what the terrorists are upto and what kind of OPED the terrorists are writing.

I would say that the first month ( July 9- August 9 ) was most intense, after that intensity of the protests went down progressively and after second month ( Aug 10 -Sept 10) it had had gone down quite a bit to the point that by end of third month (Sept 11 -Oct 11) that other than sporadic incidences it was practically over.

You can check out the GreaterKashmir archives for detail coverage of the entire period if you like:
http://epaper.greaterkashmir.com/archiv ... tioncode=9

This Wikipedia article also has almost day to day coverage of the entire period:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Kashmir_unrest

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby rohitvats » 12 Apr 2017 13:00

Very interesting perspective on overall Kashmir insurgency. It is flawed at multiple levels but interesting, nonetheless as it gives peep into other side. And what possible course of action they can take.

http://kashmirdispatch.com/2014/08/22/why-occupation-fails-in-afghanistan-but-succeeds-in-kashmir-and-palestine/125947/

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby chetak » 12 Apr 2017 15:23

ramana wrote:Only US has the motive and inclination to do a color revolution. China is light years behind.
Russia can only hack unprotected servers.

US thinks J&K is the way to control China's CPEC and thus even Russia.

Note Nikki Haley's intervention at UN and not the SD.

Abdullah father and son(US is the unholy ghost) are siding with the stone-pelters.

Congress is playing second fiddle to their orchestra.


Isn't Nikki Haley at the UN a creature of the SD??

Given her lack of international exposure, one would imagine that the SD would be in extreme hand holding mode, for some time to come, to prevent her from stepping on landmines and helping her to find her diplomatic legs.

All things considered, this statement of haley is pure SD vintage policy on India and also a US deep state compulsion on their unfinished India agenda and hence her utterances on this matter may not have been so innocent after all.

Especially, given the extreme frustrations on the current India stand that must be irritating the pakis, US and also the hans who are getting desperate on the CPEC endorsement or at least a show of support that they are hoping to coerce from India instead of the strident opposition that they are all seeing now.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby JayS » 12 Apr 2017 16:58

Vikas wrote:We can place all the army of the world in Kashmir but the problem wont go away. There has to be a bigger game plan to nip this problem for ever and road to peace in Kashmir goes through Bakistan juggler vein.
Sooner we understand it, better it would be.
As of now, I don't think GoI has any game plan other than maintaining the status quo or thorwing more money at KM while they throw back stones at us.

Only way is to take out the Snake's head. Take out all the separatist leadership. Take out the ******** one by one. The rest of the pigs will squeal for some time but later will fall in line.

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Postby CRamS » 12 Apr 2017 23:22

It is worth re-iterating what is probably known to everyone, but what India is up against is Islamic fascism in the valley aided and abeted by TSP.

Ideal response would have been to deliver a telling blow to TSP's H&D so much so that they cannot mess in Kashmir anymore. The rationale being that once the valley KMs realize that they no longer have a sugar daddy, sure they may continue to pelt stones, raise slogans, launch the occasional terror attack, but without TSP oxygen, the movement will be dead in a few months. We are fighting the battle waged by TSP in our own den. Anyway we know India's military limitations, so this option of hitting TSP in the near future is ruled out.

The next best option would be to go really really aggressive and take out separatist leadership in the valley who are TSP's puppets. Now this is somewhat risky given India's fault lines. And here is why. For each puppet we take out, KMs will throng to the streets, stone pelting will become furious, our own traitors will go berserk, and international pressure on India will be massive. "Hindu fascism" will be the headlines both in India and around the world. Not sure if BJP will contemplate this given ModiJi's development agenda and international investment is key to realizing his development objectives. (Note, this is precisely the reason, ans ironically so, that India continues to provide Z-level security cover to the separatist scum. You know why? TSP can easily take out those that waver a bit, blame it on India, and enable the scenario I just described).

Thus, both option #1 nor #2 are ruled out.

This brings me to option# 3. My own sense is that given the stalemate, there is a latent agreement between the traitors in India and TSP RAPE and their western masters that the only solution is some form of joint sovereignty over Kashmir, meaning TSP must be given a say in the valley. This bit is perfectly acceptable to the traitors in India: Congoons, Communists etc. For them its a natural form of "secularism" they believe in and a way of making India TSP bhai bai, and Hindus Muslims bhai bhai. This is exactly the kind of sell out MMS was involved in with MushRat. I know Dipankar will post some BS links disputing this, but based on their worldview, I can guarantee Congoons will sign on to this.

The only hold outs to option# 3 are Indian nationalists. And TSP will keep pushing the envelope hoping India tires out and agrees to this. They have the pigLeTs and nukes and 3.5 to sustain this warfare indefinitely.

Thus we are back to option# 1, unless India delivers pain big time to TSP RAPE, we are in for a long long haul.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Prem » 13 Apr 2017 00:35

sunnyP wrote:It's a sad state of affairs when Rohingya Muslims are being settled in Jammu, while the Pandits remain in refugee camps.

Let each "Rohingya" get rid of at least 100 KM Jihadis to earn the right of residency . Same can be offered to "Uighur".

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Rudradev » 13 Apr 2017 00:40

rohitvats wrote:Very interesting perspective on overall Kashmir insurgency. It is flawed at multiple levels but interesting, nonetheless as it gives peep into other side. And what possible course of action they can take.

http://kashmirdispatch.com/2014/08/22/why-occupation-fails-in-afghanistan-but-succeeds-in-kashmir-and-palestine/125947/


Rohitvats ji,

Can't access the site as it appears to be blocked by my ISP (maybe all over N. America? Not sure).

Could you please copy-paste the whole text of the article? If this is an anti-national website they can't very well complain about copyright infringement :mrgreen:

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby jagga » 13 Apr 2017 00:58

Kashmir insurgents: don’t raise Pakistan flags at our funerals, have to wage ‘Jihad’ there too
An insurgent who along with his five to six associates visited the grave of their slain associate in Jammu and Kashmir’s Pulwom district Friday evening, asked people not to wave ‘un-Islamic’ Pakistani flag during their funeral, saying ‘we have to wage Jihad in Pakistan as well for establishment of Islam’.

He praises Pakistan’s ‘enemy number one’ – Taliban – for its fight in that country for the implementation of Islam. “Why I asked you to shout slogan of Taliban because Taliban wants Islamic system in Pakistan. We should love Taliban,” he says. Earlier, the locals raised slogans like ‘Long Live Taliban’. The most important part of the unidentified insurgent’s speech was his warning to the crowd listening to him about waving flag of Pakistan. “And, this Pakistan flag, Listen O my youth carefully, this is about Shariah and Shahadat (martyrdom). We want Shariah and Pakistani flag doesn’t come (in the domain) of Shariah because the Kalimah (Islamic testimony of Allah’s oneness and Prophet Muhammad’s prophethood) has not been inscribed on it.” “Is Kalimah written on Pakistani flag? The militant asks the crowd, who reply with roaring “no”. He then asks to them make Islamic flag. “Write Kalima on black flag and wave that,” he directed the people. Pertinently black Shahadah flags are waved by Islamic State and Al Qaeda.

He quoted a Hadith of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and said: “When Ghazwa-e-Hind (Battle of Hind) will occur, Mujahideen will carry…flag inscribed with Kalimah and it will be their identity.”


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