J&K News and Discussion - 2016

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 28 May 2017 00:02

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 870902.cms

JAMMU: The Army on Saturday said its relentless operations to thwart attempts by Pakistan to boost terror activities in Kashmir have borne fruit, resulting in the deaths of ten terrorists since Friday.
"Relentless operations by security forces have defeated desperate attempts by Pakistan and Pakistan-sponsored agents to spread terror in the state in the run up to the holy month of Ramzan," the defence spokesman of the Northern Command said.
In the last 24 hours, ten heavily armed intruders and terrorists have been successfully eliminated, he said.

10 rats in 24 hours, on the first day of Ramzan. Mashala, this govt. knows how to wage psychological war.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 May 2017 02:23

VijayK, could you kindly translate that for this proud Hindustani Madraasi who is Urdu challenged please

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fanne · Post by **fanne** » 28 May 2017 02:36

That TSPian who once was CI of Tehelka is saying on the slaying of failed marriage leader - All crowns will be tossed, all thrones shall be demolished, we shall see to that, indeed we will see to that.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 28 May 2017 05:16

Goremint effectively bans cow slaughter but steps up slaughter of pigs specifically of the Sus Viridis Cashmericus (green Cashmere pig) genus. What hypocrisy!

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 28 May 2017 05:40

I am impressed that inspite of all the stone pelting in Kashmir, the IA manages to get info about the whereabouts of the sus viridis south asiaticus

rsangram · Post by **rsangram** » 28 May 2017 07:41

Today is the birthday of Maharana Pratap, the great patriot. Isnt it a pity that in India, where we have several EID holidays, there is not one on the birthday or either Prathvi Raj Chauhan or Maharana Pratap or Shivaji or Bhagat Singh.

Why do I mention it ? Well, we should commemorate this day in Maharana's honor anyway. But there is a second reason. Maharana Pratap Singh never compromised, he refused to meet with Akbar and never met any, I repeat any Moghul official. He chose to sleep on grass, eat grass, yes, eat grass, but never compromised on his self respect and that of his nation. He even refused to intermarry members of his family into other Rajput families who got their daughters married off to Moghuls.

Why am I mentioning this on the Kashmir thread ?

Well, following Pratap Singh's example, I want to propose a resolution on behalf of all Indians regarding J&K. I want to tell those in India, whether they be politicians or babus, ngo's or writers, artists or ordinary people, all who advocate "TALKS" with separatists such as Huriyat or even soft separatists like PDP, that if the cost of keeping Kashmir with India is for us to stoop so low as to talk to these murderers, stone pelters, pathological killers, congenital liars and psychotic monsters, then I DONT WANT TO KEEP KASHMIR, AT THAT COST. First of all, it will not come to that. We will shoot all these murderers, over time, period. Or better yet, hang them. And we will prevail. But let me repeat, for those who say that there is no military solution to Kashmir, only a political one, I say, if it ever came down to where the only way we can keep KAshmir is by bowing down to these psycho killers and pathetic excuse for human beings (Hurriyat and all separatists), then that is a cost we Indians will not pay. We will never bow down before them. We will never appease them. We will hang them.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 28 May 2017 07:49

Guddu wrote:I am impressed that inspite of all the stone pelting in Kashmir, the IA manages to get info about the whereabouts of the sus viridis south asiaticus

I suspect this batch of "runaway" terrorists were ratted out by their own, as they stepped out of line. This guy threatened that Gilani chap publicly, signing his own death warrant.

Such a clean Op means either we had air tight intel or got tipped off some they insiders. Or maybe we got our mojo back.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 May 2017 08:04

Pic of the suar

Take a look at @SUBHASHPATIL28's Tweet: https://twitter.com/SUBHASHPATIL28/stat ... 76865?s=09

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 28 May 2017 08:27

So basically Rana Ayyub and RSangram want the same thing. Both propose resolutions "on behalf of all Indians" that India should not "keep Kashmir" at some notional "cost" which they, personally, consider too high.

How interesting that both of them are proposing this on the same day in which Indian security forces have killed 10 suars in 24 hours. RSangram makes a pretence of doing so on the anniversary of "Maharana Pratap's birthday", but it should be clear what has actually provoked his outburst.

Both RSangram and Rana Ayyub demand the exact same outcome... gifting away of Indian territory to jihadists. Look at RSangram's track record of posts on this very thread if you have any doubt about this.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 May 2017 10:08

Sid wrote:
Guddu wrote:I am impressed that inspite of all the stone pelting in Kashmir, the IA manages to get info about the whereabouts of the sus viridis south asiaticus
I suspect this batch of "runaway" terrorists were ratted out by their own, as they stepped out of line. This guy threatened that Gilani chap publicly, signing his own death warrant.

Such a clean Op means either we had air tight intel or got tipped off some they insiders. Or maybe we got our mojo back.

or maybe a paki sanctioned hit to maintain the credibility of the hurriyat rats, just like you said. two birds with one stone.

Somebody should tweet this as a huriyat sanctioned hit.

amohan2001 · Post by **amohan2001** » 28 May 2017 11:21

Rudradev wrote:So basically Rana Ayyub and RSangram want the same thing. Both propose resolutions "on behalf of all Indians" that India should not "keep Kashmir" at some notional "cost" which they, personally, consider too high.

How interesting that both of them are proposing this on the same day in which Indian security forces have killed 10 suars in 24 hours. RSangram makes a pretence of doing so on the anniversary of "Maharana Pratap's birthday", but it should be clear what has actually provoked his outburst.

Both RSangram and Rana Ayyub demand the exact same outcome... gifting away of Indian territory to jihadists. Look at RSangram's track record of posts on this very thread if you have any doubt about this.

Kashmir is just a symptom, we need to treat the disease which is Pakistan. With resolution of Pakistan problem, the so called Kashmir problem will disappear.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 28 May 2017 11:36

RSangramji's post is a surrender document. Rana Pratap fought with Mughals in addition to refusing to speak with Akbar's officials.

sanjayc · Post by **sanjayc** » 28 May 2017 13:03

CRamS wrote:VijayK, could you kindly translate that for this proud Hindustani Madraasi who is Urdu challenged please .

"All crowns will be taken and flung in the air, all thrones will be toppled to the ground ... we will see .. we will see." She is reacting to the killing of terrorist Sabzaar Ahmed in kashmir and hinting that Muslims will win the war one day - you just wait and see

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 May 2017 13:22

She will try to weasel out saying it was some sufi shairi from bulle shah or whoever...

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 28 May 2017 13:29

sanjayc wrote:
CRamS wrote:VijayK, could you kindly translate that for this proud Hindustani Madraasi who is Urdu challenged please .
"All crowns will be taken and flung in the air, all thrones will be toppled to the ground ... we will see .. we will see." She is reacting to the killing of terrorist Sabzaar Ahmed in kashmir and hinting that Muslims will win the war one day - you just wait and see

Ironically it's "our" turn now.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 28 May 2017 14:31

Presentation about why we are not taking back PoK.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 28 May 2017 15:00

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 28 May 2017 18:21

This is Zakir Musa. Fashion icon. Adidas jacket and adidas Hiking shoes. Sunglasses.

http://u4uvoice.com/hizbul-mujahideen-c ... jk-police/

By pumping money in Kashmir, Central Govt has enabled people to sit and enjoy while the more fashionable youngsters start seeking a life of adventure. Shouldnt they be selling shawls and apples in bazaars of Delhi?!

wig · Post by **wig** » 28 May 2017 20:10

this tweet by Rana Ayyub is from the poem, " Hum Dekhenge' by Faiz Ahmed Faiz. a link to the site is here.
the third stanza contains the words in the tweet. Taj is crown, and takht is throne. in the peunltimate stanza the appeal for malsi rule appears to be the final demand of the poet
readers can access the poem from this blog

https://sites.google.com/a/abhayasharma ... m-dekhenge

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 May 2017 08:25

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 29 May 2017 10:23

wig wrote:this tweet by Rana Ayyub is from the poem, " Hum Dekhenge' by Faiz Ahmed Faiz. a link to the site is here.
the third stanza contains the words in the tweet. Taj is crown, and takht is throne. in the peunltimate stanza the appeal for malsi rule appears to be the final demand of the poet
readers can access the poem from this blog

https://sites.google.com/a/abhayasharma ... m-dekhenge

Faiz Ahmed Faiz was communist, so his call for rule of allah in this poem is very different from call for the same by Islamists.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 29 May 2017 10:28

Dipankerji, there is a strange tendency noticed in many JNU types who disregard on the record statements of certain Islamist entities while finding hidden meaning in Hindu/Indic entities. Amazing gymnastics but the world has grown past this charade.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 May 2017 10:29

Dipanker wrote:
wig wrote:this tweet by Rana Ayyub is from the poem, " Hum Dekhenge' by Faiz Ahmed Faiz. a link to the site is here.
the third stanza contains the words in the tweet. Taj is crown, and takht is throne. in the peunltimate stanza the appeal for malsi rule appears to be the final demand of the poet
readers can access the poem from this blog

https://sites.google.com/a/abhayasharma ... m-dekhenge
Faiz Ahmed Faiz was communist, so his call for rule of allah in this poem is very different from call for the same by Islamists.

was he an atheist too?? most "commies" like to claim that they are for takhiya purposes.

if not, he was just another muslim pushing his agenda.

even when the situation is as clear as day, Hindu's like to try and see some "good" where none exists. This is the fatal flaw.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 29 May 2017 10:29

what a comradery

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 29 May 2017 10:31

chetak wrote:
Dipanker wrote:
Faiz Ahmed Faiz was communist, so his call for rule of allah in this poem is very different from call for the same by Islamists.

was he an atheist too?? most "commies" like to claim that they are for takhiya purposes.

if not, he was just another muslim pushing his agenda.

even when the situation is as clear as day, Hindu's like to try and see some "good" where none exists. This is the fatal flaw.

You should do some reading on Faiz to ascertain that for yourself.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 May 2017 10:33

Dipanker wrote:
chetak wrote:

was he an atheist too?? most "commies" like to claim that they are for takhiya purposes.

if not, he was just another muslim pushing his agenda.

even when the situation is as clear as day, Hindu's like to try and see some "good" where none exists. This is the fatal flaw.
You should do some reading on Faiz to ascertain that for yourself.

don't read muslim poets, saar. life is too short.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 29 May 2017 16:51

Faiz had an islamist education.
But then he wanted a gori mem and ended up marrying a communist firang girl. The rest of his life he stayed between his islamist education and communist wife.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 29 May 2017 17:23

GoNews‏ @GoNews24x7 1h1 hour ago
Breaking: Reports coming in of an Indian Army operation across LOC in Uri sector near Chakoti area this morning leading to Pak casualties./1
GoNews‏ @GoNews24x7 1h1 hour ago
Breaking: Reports say Indian Army para commandos are back at base in Uri after strike. Army HQ in Delhi neither confirms nor denies. 2/

Any other news about this?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 29 May 2017 17:29

what is this report with any score sheet? Too bad.

wig · Post by **wig** » 29 May 2017 17:54

The wives of Faiz Ahmed Faiz and Dr Mohammed Din Taseer ( father of the late Salman Taseer) were sisters. The were British women. Both Faiz and Dr Mohammed Din were employed in the Muslim Anglo Oriental College of Amritsar pre independence. The college switched with the DAV college of Lahore post Independence. Both co brothers in law were extremely well educated for the times then and I imagine were fond of the bottle. But then the strains of malsi surface in strange ways.
Please do read the article below

Like father, like son

IN history, sometimes along with human beings institutions also migrate. In the year 1947, one such institution, which migrated from Amritsar to Lahore was Muslim Anglo-Oriental (MAO) College. This college had a very famous Principal, who was also the first person from Punjab to get a PhD in English from Cambridge University of England.

It was one day in the summer of 1937 that he, a bachelor, went for shopping in Hall Bazaar of Amritsar. As ill luck would have it, he forgot his purse in the shop and came back. A British lady by the name of Ms. Christable picked up the purse and went next day to return it to Prof. Mohammed Din in his college.

Since the British lady had also been a Cambridge student, an instant friendship started. May be, that was love at first sight. Later, they decided to get married and their Nikah ceremony was performed by Sir Allama Iqbal.

Prof. Mohammed Din had three children — two daughters followed by a son, who was born in 1946. Christable’s younger sister Alys also started visiting Amritsar and developed a liking for a lecturer of English at MAO College named Faiz Ahmed Faiz. The younger sister followed the elder one and married Faiz.

At the time of Partition, most of the Muslim students and teachers of MAO College of Amritsar moved to Pakistan along with the college. The college itself got shifted to the premises of DAV College of Lahore located in the lower Mall. It still runs there.

Prof Mohammed Din was handsome and a voracious reader, besides being a famous Urdu poet, with the surname of Taseer. He took over the Principalship of Islamia College, Lahore. Prof. Mohammed Din Taseer had an early death in the late 50s. His son and two daughters were brought up by his wife Christable — now converted to Islam with the new name Bilquees. The daughters settled in England after marriage in Muslim families and the son, Salman Taseer, became a chartered accountant. He later joined politics and became a famous leader of the Pakistan People’s Party. He became the Governor of Punjab province of Pakistan in May 2008 and was murdered a few days ago by a fanatic.

Sometimes I think that had Prof Mohammed Din not lost his purse in the shop in Hall Bazaar, Amritsar, and had that not been found by the British damsel, many such events would not have happened.

Salman Taseer was murdered because of his stand on the blasphemy law regarding Holy Prophet. There is a strange coincidence. His father too had praised, defended and arranged for the funeral of Illamddin in 1929 because Illamddin, who had killed Rajpal Malhotra, the owner of Hind Pocket Books and father of former Punjab Governor Surender Nath because of his comments on Holy Prophet.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110110/edit.htm#5

Bishwa · Post by **Bishwa** » 29 May 2017 23:52

ArmedforSM Tweeted "A bus carrying Pak soldiers was hit and another post destroyed is what initial reports say."

"So Indian SF have once again hit the Pakis in POK last night. Details awaited. "

Nitin Gokhale replied "Army HQ denying, so not sure" and "Even if done, unlikely to be announced to keep the adversary guessing. May be later, at some point it will be acknowledged. IF it is done!"

This is in connection to what KarthikS posted from GoNews

rsangram · Post by **rsangram** » 30 May 2017 01:58

NDA govt has a permanent solution to solve Kashmir conflict: Union home minister Rajnath Singh. He refused to elaborate on what kind of solution the BJP government has found for Jammu and Kashmir.

INDIA Updated: May 28, 2017 21:19 IST
Indo Asian News Service, New Delhi

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... X3qxJ.html

Union home minister Rajnath Singh on Sunday asserted that the BJP-led NDA government has found a “permanent solution” to the vexed Kashmir issue but there would be no compromise on the territorial integrity of India.

The minister, however, refused to elaborate on what kind of solution the BJP government has found for Jammu and Kashmir, which is battling nearly three decades of a violent separatist campaign.

This bothers the hell out of me. "no compromise on the territorial integrity of India", but Rajnath "refused to elaborate on what kind of solution", sounds eerily like the Musharraf pushed and Vajpayee agreed "permanent solution" of "erasing boundaries between the two kashmirs and allowing free movement across the LOC". If it is this, which I hope to God, it is not, then it will be a disaster, tallel than mountains and deepel than the sea.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 30 May 2017 02:08

It is odd to call Maha Rana Prarap as "great patriot". Tines were different. Why project modern constructs to the past?

Bishwa · Post by **Bishwa** » 30 May 2017 02:43

This a report from the Daily Excelsior on the Uri/Chakothi operation http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/army-targ ... 4-injured/

1) para-commandos of the Army took positions near the LoC on a hill overlooking Chakoti-Muzaffarabad road
2) there were three vehicles in the convoy on Chakoti Muzaffarabad road and the attack led to the killing of two Pakistani troops and injuries to at least four of them.
3) it was a pre-emptive move by the Army as Pakistani troops have been attempting Border Action Team (BAT) strikes in the area besides infiltrating militants

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 30 May 2017 10:30

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... s?from=mdr

Impose Governor's rule if J&K is to be saved: Farooq Abdullah

I can't tell you what I discussed with the Prime Minister. All I can say is that he is concerned about the situation in the state and wants to an end to it. A peaceful end to it," he said here.we do not like to see a woman as our C M. my Son is jobless being out of CM post. hence we encourage protestorsThe former chief minister, accusing the Mehbooba Mufti government of "failing on all fronts", said not just south Kashmir but the entire Valley was in the grip of "tragedies"."These tragedies are adding to communal tension in the rest of the nation. So the quicker we settle this problem, (the quicker) would we be able to control the fire which is coming to a boiling stage," Abdullah said.

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 30 May 2017 21:21

Bhurishravas wrote:Faiz had an islamist education.
But then he wanted a gori mem and ended up marrying a communist firang girl. The rest of his life he stayed between his islamist education and communist wife.

Amazing and pithy observation

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 30 May 2017 22:53

rsangram wrote:NDA govt has a permanent solution to solve Kashmir conflict: Union home minister Rajnath Singh. He refused to elaborate on what kind of solution the BJP government has found for Jammu and Kashmir.

Lots of hot air. Reminds me of Advani's statement during previous NDA govt that "terrorism is on its last legs", and here we are TSP terror is raging. Likewise, this statement from Rajnath singh is hot air. No solution to Kashmir can be found until a solution to TSP can be found. The tussle in India is between BJP haters and BJP. The so called "solution" being hatched by the BJP haters is joint love making with TSP, as they believe this is the "secular" alternative to BJP across "South Asia". Even this "talks with all stake holders" is a means to this end. Only ModiJi stands in between to resist this sell out.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 30 May 2017 22:55

Prem wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... s?from=mdr

Impose Governor's rule if J&K is to be saved: Farooq Abdullah

Boy these guys are orchestrating all kinds of machinations to ensure BJP does not get a foot hold in the valley. Thats what all this rhona dhona is about.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 31 May 2017 14:26

BBC doing its bit for the pakis...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-40103673

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 May 2017 14:33

vinod wrote:BBC doing its bit for the pakis...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-40103673

The name of that reporter who talked about human rights was interesting . . . . Justin Rowlatt