J&K News and Discussion - 2016

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 03 Jul 2019 19:02

Pak soldiers die in an explosion in Chamb sector

https://www.dawn.com/news/1491878/5-pak ... r-loc-ispr

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby saip » 03 Jul 2019 19:07

Must be an operation to handover explosives to J&K gone bad. Hey, Allah what have you done?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Bart S » 03 Jul 2019 19:16

ArjunPandit wrote:ramana guru,
hate to quote idrw to support..but seems like Pakis are buying time ..
http://idrw.org/is-pakistans-general-ba ... he-answer/

India, kashmir are the key issues for pakis they're not giving it up..they'll use it to recuperate and when time is fine they'll strike...they need to be dismembered


This is the same article by Ayesha Siddiqa that was discussed in the TSP thread. Looks like IDRW (as usual) plagiarized this shamelessly from 'The Print'.

It is nothing but kite-flying by RAPEs on the behalf of the ISI hoping to entrap some gullible lutyens types with the WKK crowd working up a to a loud chorus for reciprocating it.

I think that they will be laughed out of the room by the current GOI with Modi-Doval-Shah combination though if the proposal even makes it that far, which probably explains the desperation from the usual quarters to have someone else elected.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby shyamd » 03 Jul 2019 22:15

ArjunPandit wrote:
ramana wrote:I have theory.
I think the Balakot strike eliminated the top and middle rung of JeM leadership and whats left are the low level dregs and Masood Azhar.
The consequence is HuM wants to seek some accommodation with GOI and Hurrirats are already there as Governor Satyapal Malik indicated.
This has led the Pak ISI to unleash their jackals of war AQIS on the HuM and this is the cause of the recent inter terrorist fights in Kashmir.

I've been thinking about this for some time.. My theory is slightly different..I think it or tanzeeems who want to fight and Pakistan army doesnt, for now, and Pakistanis using tactics of old days by keeping them busy through infighting... If past is any indication.. They'll keep a core entity and then spin off the rest..££crunch is hitting them hard and it might be dawning on them.. That if they don't mend their ways they're dealing with Modi and will have to deal with further division

All these events are nothing new for J&K. Hurriyats play both sides - how many ex-GOI official testimonies have confirmed this?

The only new phenomenon is Zakir Musa gang or what is now called Ansar something or the other - who was vocally berating TSPA/ISI, he said "ISI and Pak Army is only interested in land, not jihad". This triggered defections among the regular TSPA/ISI backed rank & file (LeT, HuM etc). Just in last few days, you had one chap who told HuM he wants to defect - HuM said give back your gun, he then was shot dead by HuM when he came to return the weapon.

Further, I suspect ZM gang was tipping off locations of HuM/LeT individuals. HuM/LeT vacuum will get filled by ZM gang, so were the clear benefactors. This led to counter tipping off against ZM gang. Does anyone seriously think some member of the TSP public is going to ring up Indian Embassy in ISB to give specific tip off about ZM activity?

All this just shows that TSP is still trying to keep grip of matters in J&K. As we saw, TSPA has been escalating by passing on armoured piercing bullets into the valley. TSP attention is focused on US-Iran crisis, plus all this FATF/economic issues - expect this year to be a quiet one (but doesn't mean the pot is not being stirred).

As for the 5+ TSPA soldiers who died. GOI is not fooled by what's going on in J&K as well as across the LoC. We are all hearing regular news of covert action that has been initiated post Balakot.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Rishirishi » 03 Jul 2019 23:27

shyamd wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:I've been thinking about this for some time.. My theory is slightly different..I think it or tanzeeems who want to fight and Pakistan army doesnt, for now, and Pakistanis using tactics of old days by keeping them busy through infighting... If past is any indication.. They'll keep a core entity and then spin off the rest..££crunch is hitting them hard and it might be dawning on them.. That if they don't mend their ways they're dealing with Modi and will have to deal with further division

All these events are nothing new for J&K. Hurriyats play both sides - how many ex-GOI official testimonies have confirmed this?

The only new phenomenon is Zakir Musa gang or what is now called Ansar something or the other - who was vocally berating TSPA/ISI, he said "ISI and Pak Army is only interested in land, not jihad". This triggered defections among the regular TSPA/ISI backed rank & file (LeT, HuM etc). Just in last few days, you had one chap who told HuM he wants to defect - HuM said give back your gun, he then was shot dead by HuM when he came to return the weapon.

Further, I suspect ZM gang was tipping off locations of HuM/LeT individuals. HuM/LeT vacuum will get filled by ZM gang, so were the clear benefactors. This led to counter tipping off against ZM gang. Does anyone seriously think some member of the TSP public is going to ring up Indian Embassy in ISB to give specific tip off about ZM activity?

All this just shows that TSP is still trying to keep grip of matters in J&K. As we saw, TSPA has been escalating by passing on armoured piercing bullets into the valley. TSP attention is focused on US-Iran crisis, plus all this FATF/economic issues - expect this year to be a quiet one (but doesn't mean the pot is not being stirred).

As for the 5+ TSPA soldiers who died. GOI is not fooled by what's going on in J&K as well as across the LoC. We are all hearing regular news of covert action that has been initiated post Balakot.


I do not think the Balakot strike had an objektive to wipe out militancy, or even harm it. It is very easy to rebuild and cost far less then what those Israeili bombs. I think the objecive was to call off the Nuclear bluff. By doing so India has implimented a massive cost on Pakistan. Because TSP will now have to factor in the countering of an conventional conflict. SUddenly the cost of being hostile towards India is not soo cheap any more.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Gagan » 04 Jul 2019 17:55

Pakistani N redline is all bluff.
India tested the redline and proved the bluff.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 05 Jul 2019 10:09

this is Pak strategy, fire on poor road labourers in order that laying down of roads in remote areas is stalled

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jammu ... 97260.html

Pak targets Poonch village to stall road construction

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In a strategic move, the Pakistani troops are targeting civilian population along the Line of Control (LoC) and International Border (IB) to stop developmental activities.
A couple of days back, Pakistani troops targeted civilians engaged in road construction in the Mendhar sector of Poonch district by firing a few rounds but fortunately, no one was hurt.

“Road construction has been stopped in the village after Pakistani troops targeted civilians and JCB machines engaged in work. We were constructing a 7-km-long road between Phawadi Gali to Deri village in the Mendhar sector but after the firing, we stopped the work,” a resident said.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 05 Jul 2019 14:00

We need now take some action that the Pakistani Rangers dont exist in that area

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 05 Jul 2019 14:00

^^while I am not very familiar with the geography/topography of Mendhar sector, this area had been in news multiple times in past due to terrorist attacks....

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 05 Jul 2019 15:56

https://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/kas ... urriyat-m/

Seems like a lot of ego burn with this act. But thankfully govt is proactively responding to the threat of VBIEDs..

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 05 Jul 2019 16:58

Amarnath yatra is ~50Km.
This year there ~40K security personnel
https://www.livemint.com/politics/news/ ... 54273.html

Sums up the situation

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Vips » 05 Jul 2019 19:25

^^ Bartji gullible lutyens type is an Oxymoron. These are willing conspirators with a big tag around their necks of readily available useful idiots who will be willing to do anything anti-national to be in the news or be in the international chai-biskoot guzzling circuit.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby MeshaVishwas » 06 Jul 2019 11:37

Saudi national dies in Pahalgam accident-Saudi "tourists" in South Kashmir? :shock:
https://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/kas ... -accident/

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 07 Jul 2019 11:34

https://www.indiatoday.in/crime/story/c ... 2019-07-05
from the above
Cop arrested for filming women taking bath at Amarnath Yatra camp
A police constable Tariq Ahmed was arrested for allegedly recording the video of a women taking bath.

and
Tariq Ahmed was serving in the 19th battalion of the Indian Reserve Police and a case under Section 354 (intent to outrage the modesty of women) of the Ranbir Penal Code was registered against him at Trikuta Nagar Police station.
Tariq Ahmed was released on bail shortly afterwards.
According to police, Tariq Ahmed used his mobile phone to secretly film the women inside the bathroom of a railway station camp on Wednesday night.
The women raised an alarm and people caught him

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https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/sc-a ... ion-146238

SC Agrees For Early Listing Of Petition Challenging Article 370 Of The Constitution

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby shyamd » 10 Jul 2019 21:04

shyamd wrote:All these events are nothing new for J&K. Hurriyats play both sides - how many ex-GOI official testimonies have confirmed this?

The only new phenomenon is Zakir Musa gang or what is now called Ansar something or the other - who was vocally berating TSPA/ISI, he said "ISI and Pak Army is only interested in land, not jihad". This triggered defections among the regular TSPA/ISI backed rank & file (LeT, HuM etc). Just in last few days, you had one chap who told HuM he wants to defect - HuM said give back your gun, he then was shot dead by HuM when he came to return the weapon.

Further, I suspect ZM gang was tipping off locations of HuM/LeT individuals. HuM/LeT vacuum will get filled by ZM gang, so were the clear benefactors. This led to counter tipping off against ZM gang. Does anyone seriously think some member of the TSP public is going to ring up Indian Embassy in ISB to give specific tip off about ZM activity?

All this just shows that TSP is still trying to keep grip of matters in J&K. As we saw, TSPA has been escalating by passing on armoured piercing bullets into the valley. TSP attention is focused on US-Iran crisis, plus all this FATF/economic issues - expect this year to be a quiet one (but doesn't mean the pot is not being stirred).

As for the 5+ TSPA soldiers who died. GOI is not fooled by what's going on in J&K as well as across the LoC. We are all hearing regular news of covert action that has been initiated post Balakot.


Head of Hizbul made statement today. He took a sharp dig at Ansar Ghazwat-ul-Hind (AGH) for encouraging militants to defect along with their weapons & terms these defections a fitna). The Hizb commander appears troubled by the criticism of his & other pro-Pakistan groups by AGH and IS :lol:

There are accusations that HuM helped Indian army bump off Burhan Wani and some of his gang. TSP is ensuring it has supremacy over the criminal gangs operating in J&K.

The big question is - is ISI playing a game with AQ chief's statement and bumping off several rank & file.... Do they see bigger opportunity with fresher recruits?

Also, someone in the know asks - Is ISI behind the Hurriyat agreeing to talks?

These are the questions GOI security officials will be grappling with.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Bart S » 11 Jul 2019 00:52

shyamd wrote:Also, someone in the know asks - Is ISI behind the Hurriyat agreeing to talks?

These are the questions GOI security officials will be grappling with.


Of course it is. Hurriyat is a useless and toothless organization that is 100% an ISI proxy. The offer of 'talks' is part of the same strategy of TSP themselves offering talks and pretending to disown militants - they are under pressure and just trying to buy some time to fight another day.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Jul 2019 01:33

not sure why we have entertained these 1000 people leaders for so long. They should have been denied entry after any of their trips to pakistan. Some strong fist is long over due.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby shyamd » 12 Jul 2019 04:01

Interestingly, the PDP and JKNC say GOI has no choice but to engage with Hurriyat and TSP because the source of terror/trouble making is emanating and controlled across the border. The big parties are saying there is no solution unless you deal with them. They say ABV understood this and engaged.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby nachiket » 12 Jul 2019 04:07

shyamd wrote:Interestingly, the PDP and JKNC say GOI has no choice but to engage with Hurriyat and TSP because the source of terror/trouble making is emanating and controlled across the border. The big parties are saying there is no solution unless you deal with them. They say ABV understood this and engaged.

ABV engaged and got backstabbed with the Kargil war. So Modi should do the same. Great logic, but what else can you expect from snakes like the PDP?

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Postby shyamd » 12 Jul 2019 04:14

^^ Which is why Modi is not listening to them and angrily told Mufti that he isn't interested. There's a question of timing and most in the establishment agree that other than covert negotiations. There is to be no public formal talks.

Also MMS tried just about everything to convince TSP to resolve Kashmir issue. It was clear that it was TSPA that isn't interested. So tough GOI response started from 2013/14... But do note that Centre wants to do some talks now in J&K - lots to be defined.

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Postby CRamS » 12 Jul 2019 04:21

Make no mistake what PDP and other Paki pasand valley Pakis in Indian mufti are saying is you Indians don't get too uppity. If you don't talk to our TSP lovers you will continue to see deaths of your young soldiers and offices (and we have lost 1000s and counting). Essentially through these scum, India is already 'talking' to TSP because every one of these b@stards either willingly or out of scare that ISI will put a bullet through their head are TSP proxies. And if and when India "talks" on their terms, it will be about de-facto right of self determination of the Paki pasand valley to join TSP. And to assuage India's H&D, they will agree to 'joint sovereignty' and use of Paki currency for a start. And in any case outright love making with Pakis with India not even allowed to watch is foolhardy because Pakis are bankrupt, the valley Muslims & TSP RAPE combine love their wine and women in large doses along with Quaran, and India's money is welcome. So offer of 'joint sovereignty' is a smart move from their PoV.

Problem India has is that vast majority of the opposition traitors led by Pappu as their ideological mentor have no problem with the above formulation. Its their idea of 'secularism' and defeating the 'forces of BJP/RSS Hindu majoritarian fascism'. Recall the much touted MMS/MushRat 4-point formula that Congoon Tom Tom and shamelessly claiming that Paki terror was down under their watch but what was essentially happening was that while they were considering this surrender, TSP held back its pigLeTs.

BJP on the other hand has the right intentions but does not have the military or the economic muscle to bring TSP to its knees. But make no mistake, the nerve center of this entire charade is GHQ Rawilpindi. So bottom line, no amount of tough talking by well meaning patriotic nationalists like ModiJi, Amit Shah, and Doval can alter this reality until TSP is defeated comprehensively. The so called Kashmir problem is here to stay for a long time.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ramana » 12 Jul 2019 06:43

CRS, Keep watch on unfair didi and what is she saying about these ghatna?

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Postby CRamS » 13 Jul 2019 01:28

RamanaGaru,

watched the Fair did suck up interviews by people like Burka and others on the launch of her LeT book. Couple of observations (although not directly related to this thread):

1. Her views on TSP, TSPA, ISI, pigLeTs are well known to us. Especially that LeT is a para military wing of TSPA. But our views will be dismissed by the same Burka frauds as "Hindu extremist". But in any case, Fair didi is spot on, on this count.

2. Fair Didi pretty much declares Balakot as a dud, India's claims of shooting down TSP's F-16 a lie, and Taliban Khan and TSP came out winner.

3. TSP is laughing its ass off contrary to India's claims that Balakot is a game changer. And Paki actions are only constrained by US support to its financial bailout and nothing else

4. India cannot be a world power unless its military is reformed.

All in all, while TSP wouldn't be enamored by Fair Didi's portrayal of their country, but they are winking at her conclusions.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby shyamd » 13 Jul 2019 04:45

CRamS wrote:BJP on the other hand has the right intentions but does not have the military or the economic muscle to bring TSP to its knees. But make no mistake, the nerve center of this entire charade is GHQ Rawilpindi. So bottom line, no amount of tough talking by well meaning patriotic nationalists like ModiJi, Amit Shah, and Doval can alter this reality until TSP is defeated comprehensively. The so called Kashmir problem is here to stay for a long time.

Sort of agree with most of the post. Don't agree with the highlighted bit. GOI has capability to completely bring TSP in the knees and is something that is universally accepted (TSPA included). Problem is no body wants to deal with the aftermath of "bringing TSP to their knees". So both parties have settled on fighting limited wars.

K problem can be resolved but it will take time... Modi/Doval et al have had to re-learn some lessons but the good news is they have started the process to resolve the issue.

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Postby wig » 13 Jul 2019 09:38

13 july is commemorated as Martyr's day in J&K.
this article details the truth about the rioting and killing of Hindus in Kashmir on 13 july 1931. to do justice to the history of this date in the calendar the write up is lengthy. please do read in full

https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/how-many ... the-truth/
how many of us know about the truth
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A British military officer helped one Abdul Qadir, a religious fanatic from Peshawar to enter Kashmir in the guise of his cook. He was an excellent speaker at a meeting at Khanqa-i-Mualla, he was invited to speak and he made a speech there of highly seditious and communal nature, quoting frequently from Quran in support of his inflammatory statements. He was naturally arrested and charged before the court. The crowds not only resisted the arrest and shouted objectionable slogans, but also threatened to obstruct the work of the court, which was then held within the premises of the Central Jail.
On the 13th of July 1931, the day fixed by the court for hearing of the case, communal disturbances of the worst type took place in Srinagar city and it suburbs resulting in the looting and burning of Hindu shops and houses on a large scale and the death of about 13 persons on account of police and military firing.
In their memory, the Governments that succeeded the Maharaja after Independence, and which claimed themselves to be secular and nationalist, are observing the black day of 13th of July as a National “Martyrs Day” every year thus perpetuating pin-pricking to the other community which suffered untold atrocities at the hands of the Muslims during this completely communal movement, and keeping the communal tension alive.
Here is how Mr. G.S.Raghavan formerly Editor of the “Hindustan Times” the “Nation”, the “Sunday Times”, and other papers, described these happenings in Srinagar in his book “THE WARNING OF KASHMIR” published in 1931.
He says:
“The hearing in Jail fell on 13th July. On that day, a mob stormed the Jail and demanded admittance along with the Sessions Judge. When the Judge had passed the gates, the crowd also attempted to get in. The other gates had been forced and the inner gates were attacked, AT the suggestion of the Judge, two muslim lawyers representing the accused, harangued the visitors to go out of the Jail precincts. Finding that there was no possibility of ingress, the crowd went out and started stoning officials and set fire to the police lines. The police force was then called in. All efforts to pacify the unruly mob proved futile. While there was commotion outside the Jail there was also disturbance inside, prisoners tried to force the iron gates. About this time, certain prisoners were being taken from the court to the Jail. The crowd stoned the policemen and the prisoners were liberated. The prospect was by no means satisfactory. The District Magistrate’s order was defied, who had been summoned to the spot by the time, declared the crowd to be an “unlawful assembly” and ordered its dispersal. The order was defied and finding that the mob could neither be pacified nor dispersed, the District Magistrate directed fire to be opened. The crowd fell off but later it re-assembled and resumed stoning. It had to be dispersed with a Lathi charge. Part of the crowd, however moved towards the Hari Parbat Fort: the cavalry had to pursue it and disperse it again. A section of the recalcitrant’s proceeded towards a place called Maharaj Ganj which is a business locality and loot over an extensive area followed. From Bhori Kadal to Alikahl a long stretch, the Hindu shops were raided. Other localities such as Satakadal, Ganji, Khud and Nawakadal too formed the centers of loot. Bazar streets were littered with property, books of accounts were burnt: the Hindu shopkeepers were molested, in short, pandemonium prevailed.”
“The Hindu merchants lost lakhs worth of goods. Mr. Wakefield has affirmed that the articles were so strewn about the roads that his car would not pass, it is also his testimony that not a single Moham-medan complained to him about his premises having been invaded by the looters”.
“The most extraordinary portion of the story was that almost simultaneously with the happenings at Srinagar, there was an uprising at a place named Vicharnag, some 5 or 6 miles away. It has been stated that untold atrocities were committed there; men owning lakhs were reduced to indigence and women were subjected to the worst possible and the most in decent assaults. A military force was despatched to the place, but by that time the havoc had been completed. Elsewhere, the Hindus were the victims of ambuscade. Some lost their lives and many suffered physical injuries. Stray assaults continued till long after”.
Such is the origin of the “Martyr’s Day” in Kashmir which is now being officially observed as a National Day by the “Secular” Government of the State.
Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah was among the guilty persons. He was arrested, convicted and sentenced, but was released before completing his sentence as a result of amnesty granted by the Maharaja in 1932. He then established the All Jammu and Kashmir Muslim Conference and became its first President.
The story of this “Black Day” will be incomplete without narrating the happenings in the Jammu province. This communal frenzy then spread to the far flung areas of Mirpur, Kotli, Rajouri and other parts of this area giving it a new name and created havoc. Hindu/Sikhs properties, homes were looted and burnt. Innocent people were mercilessly killed and many were converted to Islam forcibly. Religious places of worship of Hindus and Sikhs i.e. temples, Gurudwara’s all met with same fate. Many were completely damaged and desecrated, in other few cases, though buildings were not damaged yet sacred God idols, religious books including Guru Granth Sahib badly damaged burnt and desecrated.
These happenings known as “88 NA SHAURASH” (Riots of 1988 Bikram or 1931 Christian Era) are still in the memory of not only survivals of that time but also of their subsequent generations, now Refugees of 1947 scattered throughout India & awaiting Rehabilitation.
Correspondence exchanged between different official agencies/Officers of the State Government and Indian (British) Government is preserved in the British Library in London. Only a few relevant reports out of the voluminous papers are being quoted here which are a proof in itself about the sufferings and atrocities suffered by the Hindu/Sikh community at the hands of Muslims.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 13 Jul 2019 09:42

July 13 in historical perspective

https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/july-13- ... rspective/

Going back to 1930, things started changing in the valley for gathering public opinion and support to overthrow the rule of the Maharaja and replace it with local rule, purely on religious grounds. Since political parties were not allowed in the state , the aspiring ones started a Reading Room which later was known as Reading Room Party. All India Kashmir Muslim Conference had been formed in Lahore. Leaders with Communalist ideologies in Punjab had worked for many years to replace the Dogra rule in the state. The leaders of Reading Room “Party” wrote articles for two Dailies known as “Siyyasat” and “Muslim Outlook” published from Lahore. These papers were imported into the state and circulated widely, the impact of which was phenomenal. Another Urdu Daily “Inqalab” appeared with similar articles. It was followed by printing of fiery pamphlets printed in Lahore and then stealthily imported into Kashmir for distribution.
Reading Room Party went ahead with its “agenda” and enlisted the active support of two Mirwaizes or head priests of Kashmir, the Mirwaiz of Jama Masjid and the Mirwaiz of Khanqah-i- Mualla who, otherwise, were rivals with different approaches to achieve the same goal. Reading Room Party (RRP) continued its activities from Jama Masjid. They wanted to give a new shape to their activities and arrange a mammoth gathering which fructified soon when nearly 30000 or more people assembled ostensibly to celebrate a religious festival where young leaders of RRP appeared as heroes, and a political meeting ensued. On June 21, 1931 the RRP formally elected their representatives and this meeting proved to be a turning event in anti Maharaja Movement. Formally, leaders were elected namely Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah, Mirwaiz Yusuf Shah, Mirwaiz Hamdani, Khwaja Said-ud-Din Shawl, Aga Syed Hussain Shah, Khwaja Gulam Ahmed Ashai, and others. The meeting, however, was peaceful and orderly. When people started dispersing and leaving peacefully, an unknown person named Abdul Kadeer (not Qadir)emerged from nowhere on the scene and took over the stage to deliver a venomous lecture. Kadeer had come to Srinagar all the way from North West Frontier Province with a European cook but with an obnoxious mission.
Abdul Kadeer delivered a highly frenzied, hateful and inflammatory speech targeting the Maharaja and the minority Hindu community. So much was it objectionable that the state government arrested and prosecuted him in the court from July 6 to 9 in the year 1931. His trial attracted huge crowds outside the court complex which disrupted traffic and resulted in frequent clashes with the Police. To ensure peace, law and order in the city, the state government ordered the trial of Kadeer to be continued in the Central Jail , Srinagar. Crowds, in large number, reached there on July 13, 1931, the first day of the trial in Jail premises. The crowd had ballooned into a huge mob which forced its entry into the jail and when Police resisted, stones were rained on them. Telephone wires were cut, police barricades were ransacked and set on fire. Warnings and warning shots did not deter the mob from trying to ransack the jail to set free other hard core criminals and the accused Kadeer, the new “hero”. Compelled under the circumstances, the Police used force by firing on the unruly crowd which resulted in the death of some people and injuries to many others.
The mob, infuriated with the Police action, carried the dead bodies on cots and marched through the city raising provocative slogans, more so, against the Dogra rulers. When the mob reached Maharaj Ganj, a busy trading centre, they targeted Kashmiri Hindu shops and houses and looted them to their full contents despite the fact that the innocent victims had got nothing to do with anything in the entire matter. At several places in the city, mobs looted hundreds of Kashmiri Pandit houses and killed five, besides wounding nearly 200. Since those days insuring the merchandise or the household properties was not in vogue, not even in the least, this loot broke the financial backbone of the targeted Hindus, several of whom were rendered penuries. Those days ex- gratia or compensation from the government were unheard of. Vichar Nag in down town Srinagar was predominantly a Kashmiri Pandit locality which was completely looted and vandalized forcing migration of the sufferers to “safer” places. Community centers were run in temples and other Hindu shrines mopping resources from within the community to provide relief and succour to the sufferers of frenzied mob violence.
July 13, in short, was a revolt against the then Dogra Ruler and fear waves were sent across the already frightened and suffering ethnic minority members of Kashmiri Pandits because of the synonymy of the religious factor .Shops were closed as a protest, Hindu shops closed too for fear of further reprisals. Sangam Bridge over River Veth (Jehlum) was burned. All Jammu and Kashmir Muslim Conference was founded by Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah, the first session of which was held from Oct15 to 17, 1932. However, Sheikh Abdullah had subsequently to choose between communalist and secular outlooks; he had to choose ‘secular’ ideology and rechristened the Muslim Conference as National Conference in 1939. In May 1946, National Conference led by Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah launched a “Quit Kashmir” agitation along the lines of “Quit India” movement across the country.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby pankajs » 13 Jul 2019 13:58

CRamS wrote:RamanaGaru,

watched the Fair did suck up interviews by people like Burka and others on the launch of her LeT book. Couple of observations (although not directly related to this thread):

1. Her views on TSP, TSPA, ISI, pigLeTs are well known to us. Especially that LeT is a para military wing of TSPA. But our views will be dismissed by the same Burka frauds as "Hindu extremist". But in any case, Fair didi is spot on, on this count.

2. Fair Didi pretty much declares Balakot as a dud, India's claims of shooting down TSP's F-16 a lie, and Taliban Khan and TSP came out winner.

3. TSP is laughing its ass off contrary to India's claims that Balakot is a game changer. And Paki actions are only constrained by US support to its financial bailout and nothing else

4. India cannot be a world power unless its military is reformed.

All in all, while TSP wouldn't be enamored by Fair Didi's portrayal of their country, but they are winking at her conclusions.

They winking while their country is sinking ... oh yea. bring it on!

While winking is temporary i.e gives temporary pleasure and that too fake, their sinking is permanent. Ideally I would love to control both the narrative and the ground realities but if forced to choose I will take their actual/factual sinking over their temporary & faked winking any day. Let them have the pleasure of savoring Unfair didi's comments.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby chetak » 13 Jul 2019 15:40

pankajs wrote:
CRamS wrote:RamanaGaru,

watched the Fair did suck up interviews by people like Burka and others on the launch of her LeT book. Couple of observations (although not directly related to this thread):

1. Her views on TSP, TSPA, ISI, pigLeTs are well known to us. Especially that LeT is a para military wing of TSPA. But our views will be dismissed by the same Burka frauds as "Hindu extremist". But in any case, Fair didi is spot on, on this count.

2. Fair Didi pretty much declares Balakot as a dud, India's claims of shooting down TSP's F-16 a lie, and Taliban Khan and TSP came out winner.

3. TSP is laughing its ass off contrary to India's claims that Balakot is a game changer. And Paki actions are only constrained by US support to its financial bailout and nothing else

4. India cannot be a world power unless its military is reformed.

All in all, while TSP wouldn't be enamored by Fair Didi's portrayal of their country, but they are winking at her conclusions.

They winking while their country is sinking ... oh yea. bring it on!

While winking is temporary i.e gives temporary pleasure and that too fake, their sinking is permanent. Ideally I would love to control both the narrative and the ground realities but if forced to choose I will take their actual/factual sinking over their temporary & faked winking any day. Let them have the pleasure of savoring Unfair didi's comments.


fair didi is trying to circumvent her long standing exile and excommunication by the paki army and hoping to get back into their good books by dissing India.

the paki army is the source of her bread and butter as also her academic authenticity that helps give her some standing at her university and maybe a track to the coveted tenured professorship

this gratuitous "interview" is her public atonement.

to be fair to her, she did try for quite some time to ingratiate herself in Indian security circles but she is an academic light weight as well as an outsider even in the US, and she has no serious GOTUS backing and so couldn't find the needed traction to make a breakthrough in our US/lootyens focussed, closed and incestuous community of security and foreign policy "experts"

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby CRamS » 13 Jul 2019 20:46

I don't want to do too much pisko analysis of Fair didi, but suffice to say she serves a useful purpose in exposing TSPA/ISI. But I get the sense that her caustic tone against TSP is borne out of personal bitterness at not landing a permanent Pakijabi TFTA RAPE mujahid to keep her happy in her suburban home bedroom in VA, and was probably dumped by one of those after a few post drink donks at a posh GHQ guest house in pindi. And if you notice her tone, she conceals her contempt for us SDREs like most western anal-ysts, but scratch the surface and it comes out.

But regarding her interview with our own uber RAPE Burka bibi, forgot to point out one very important rant of Fair didi. And that is, apparently, in her book, she says that BJP/ModiJi suit TSP just fine because they are 'communal' and 'fascist' and anti-Muslim. Nominally, this should have scared TSP, but no, because India does not have any real military power to do damage to TSP. So TSP will cite BJP's "Hindu fascism" to remind 'poor' TSPIans of "Hindu threat" to goad them into waging war. And supposedly TSPIans were Gandhian saints until fascist BJP/ModiJi came along.

After this bogus conclusion of hers, now I can see why she will become a darling of our RAPE frauds like Burka and Praveen Swami etc who thrive by relentlessly attacking BJP/ModiJi. And even Congoons will start citing "scholar Fair" on how BJP is pushing TSP into extremism, terror has gone up when compared to what it was under their Queen madam, and why India should make p!ss with TSP by resuming talks.

So far from extracting revenge for the death and humiliation TSP has piled up on India to do undo it for decades, our frauds will turn inward and self flagellate to demonstrate their 'righteousness". This is another cowardly piskology that sadly afflicts many-a-colonized-RAPE Hindu.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby williams » 13 Jul 2019 21:15

pankajs wrote:
CRamS wrote:RamanaGaru,

watched the Fair did suck up interviews by people like Burka and others on the launch of her LeT book. Couple of observations (although not directly related to this thread):

1. Her views on TSP, TSPA, ISI, pigLeTs are well known to us. Especially that LeT is a para military wing of TSPA. But our views will be dismissed by the same Burka frauds as "Hindu extremist". But in any case, Fair didi is spot on, on this count.

2. Fair Didi pretty much declares Balakot as a dud, India's claims of shooting down TSP's F-16 a lie, and Taliban Khan and TSP came out winner.

3. TSP is laughing its ass off contrary to India's claims that Balakot is a game changer. And Paki actions are only constrained by US support to its financial bailout and nothing else

4. India cannot be a world power unless its military is reformed.

All in all, while TSP wouldn't be enamored by Fair Didi's portrayal of their country, but they are winking at her conclusions.

They winking while their country is sinking ... oh yea. bring it on!

While winking is temporary i.e gives temporary pleasure and that too fake, their sinking is permanent. Ideally I would love to control both the narrative and the ground realities but if forced to choose I will take their actual/factual sinking over their temporary & faked winking any day. Let them have the pleasure of savoring Unfair didi's comments.


I completely agree. All we need to care about is the real sinking. Besides people like Ms.Fair will help expose our own Paki Pasand media and that will make the public fume more and support GOI. At this point that is all, we can expect. Changing the narrative with our own near traitorous media and the political class is not possible.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby sanjayc » 14 Jul 2019 17:00

Halfway home in Kashmir: How Amit Shah has tamed some of the fiercest anti-India voices in the Valley
The Home Minister's Chanakya-neeti on Kashmir seems to be working. At least half the voices in Kashmir, which earlier stoked big trouble, seem to be quietly toeing the line.

https://www.dailyo.in/lite/politics/ami ... 31477.html

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 16 Jul 2019 19:18

https://www.prsindia.org/billtrack/jamm ... -bill-2019

The Jammu and Kashmir Reservation (Amendment) Bill, 2019, was introduced in Lok Sabha by the Minister of Home Affairs, Mr. Amit Shah on June 24, 2019. The Bill amends the Jammu and Kashmir Reservation Act, 2004 and replaces an Ordinance promulgated on March 1, 2019. The Act provides for reservation in appointment and promotions in state government posts, and admission to professional institutions for certain reserved categories. Professional institutions include government medical colleges, dental colleges, and polytechnics.

Extension of reservation: The Act provides for reservation in appointment and promotions in certain state government posts to persons belonging to socially and educationally backward classes. It defines socially and educationally backward classes to include persons living in areas adjoining the Actual Line of Control. The Bill amends this to include those persons living in areas adjoining the International Border, within the ambit of this reservation.

Further, the Act states that any person who has been appointed on the basis of residence in an area adjoining the Line of Control, must serve in such areas for at least seven years. The Bill extends this condition to persons living in areas adjoining the International Border as well.

Exclusion from reservation: The Act states that any person whose annual income exceeds three lakh rupees or other amount as notified by the state government, would not be included within socially and educationally backward classes. However, this exclusion does not apply to persons living in areas adjoining the Actual Line of Control. The Bill states that in addition, this exclusion will not apply to persons living in areas adjoining the International Border also

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ramana » 17 Jul 2019 02:03

CRS, Belated thanks. Yes we want her data and not her conclusions.
2. can assure you the walls were breached leading to mucho scares in pindi.
3. is laughter of the fool who doesn't know what hit him.
US needs to prop up the H&D of the F-16 Viper and are flummoxed at Veerappan mustache warrior.

Please keep it coming.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ramana » 17 Jul 2019 02:05

sanjayc wrote:Halfway home in Kashmir: How Amit Shah has tamed some of the fiercest anti-India voices in the Valley
The Home Minister's Chanakya-neeti on Kashmir seems to be working. At least half the voices in Kashmir, which earlier stoked big trouble, seem to be quietly toeing the line.

https://www.dailyo.in/lite/politics/ami ... 31477.html


Thats only adha khel.

Picture not yet screened.
Stone pelting has reduced from 2650 instances in 2015 to 40 so far in 2019.

Quite a drop.

Means Mufti was allowing stone pelting as a past time and to extract resources from Delhi.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 17 Jul 2019 04:33

Ramana guru, this most be welcomed, but I'm sure you know better that these snakes need to be defanged Rather than tamed. That's happening thru, the j&k bank takeover and Nia raids, ... Perhaps Getting electronic payment mandatory would help

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby disha » 17 Jul 2019 04:40

ArjunPandit wrote:Ramana guru, this most be welcomed, but I'm sure you know better that these snakes need to be defanged Rather than tamed. That's happening thru, the j&k bank takeover and Nia raids, ... Perhaps Getting electronic payment mandatory would help


And that's where the new teeth for NIA comes in place. Stone pelters is outcome of Hawala trade, human trafficking, cyber terrorism and plain old goondaism. At this point the smarter crooks will try to fold business and get out of it cutting their losses. For Abdullah and Saeed clan, that is the best possible outcome. Just gently and slowly fade away into sunset. One can look at the tweets from Omar and they are as gentle as a lamb nowadays.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ramana » 17 Jul 2019 05:48

You folks are all software gurus.
As a hobby should learn to apply complex systems theory to Kashmir networks .
See the nodes and how they interact.
instead we get all hot and post what abouts!

I will give you some thing to start with.
Systems are linear or complex.
Systems are loosely coupled or tightly coupled.
What does this mean?
loosely coupled means changes in one area don't effect other areas. There are buffers to absorb shock.
tightly coupled means changes in one area will impact other areas significantly. No buffers to absorb shocks.
analysis:

J&K under NC (state)-INC (center) partnership was a linear loosely coupled system. Doing something didn't effect anybody. So Sheikh got a lot of things in his favor passed by dotard Nehru without Lok Sabha assent. However Sheikh got greedy and started seeing Swiss status for his own fiefdom with US help. Now complexity enters. But still loosely coupled. Sheik gets kicked out and imprisoned. Now US decides to play Pak card after China attack in 1962. Now Kashmir becomes complex and closely coupled.

1965 War reduces complexity with defeat of Ayub's plans. No change to complex coupling.
1971 War reduces a lot of complexity and slightly loosens the coupling. This gives peace for ~20 years.
In the meantime Bindranwala, IPKF, and sudden collapse of FSU all make it closely coupled. Rise of PDP. Kashmiri terrorism. Hurrirats.
Then comes the Kashmir jihad during the 1990s to 2004.
System becomes complex and closely coupled.
PVNR economic reforms and defeat of the first phase of Kashmir jihad makes it linear and loosely coupled.
The coming of UPA decade makes it complex again and closely coupled.

What 2014 elections did was reduce complexity by marginalizing NC and INC in Kashmir.
It still closely coupled.
2019 elections further reduced the complexity with defeat of PDP.


Now draw this and bring back.


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