J&K News and Discussion - 2016

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby siqir » 05 Aug 2019 12:05

apparently scrapping 370 was presidential notification so no vote needed it is already done and gone

think jammu will demand statehood in any case

jai hind

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby LakshmanPST » 05 Aug 2019 12:05

ani_sharma wrote:What does UT with legislature mean?


Will have an assembly like Delhi and Pondicherry...

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ani_sharma » 05 Aug 2019 12:07

arshyam wrote:
ani_sharma wrote:What does UT with legislature mean?

Like Delhi, Pondicherry, etc.

So they will still have election, MLAs and a CM. How does that improve things politically? (assuming no delimitation)

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ShyamSP » 05 Aug 2019 12:08

Like 371s, 370s are gone. :-)

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby nits » 05 Aug 2019 12:08

So what we know so far
- Sec 144 in J&K
- House arrest of all Leaders in J&K
- 370 scrapped; sec 35a goes along with it
- J&K - divided in 3 - Jammu and Laddhak to be UT

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Almost 80% of J&K directly in Central control - only valley will have elections
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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ks_sachin » 05 Aug 2019 12:09

CRamS wrote:Anujan, please, let set emotions and idealism aside and cast this out of the window


How different are Mehbooba Mufti, Omar Abdullah and the Hurriyat ilk? Dont get me wrong here, I despise them with more fervor than didi, behenji, RaGa or MK. The JK ilk play the same game as the heartland ilk, except with Religion, Pakistan, money laundering and terrorists, instead of caste, maoists, money laundering and bandits.



Every one of them wants secession.


Oh. You may then want to disband half of the JakLi...

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ShyamSP » 05 Aug 2019 12:10

nits wrote:So what we know so far
- Sec 144 in J&K
- House arrest of all Leaders in J&K
- 370 scrapped; sec 35a goes along with it
- J&K - divided in 3 - Jammu and Laddhak to be UT

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Almost 80% of J&K directly in Central control - only valley will have elections


What happens to Gilgit and Baltistan/Northern Areas? Aksai chin?

Are they UTs too?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Tamang » 05 Aug 2019 12:12

ani_sharma wrote:
arshyam wrote:Like Delhi, Pondicherry, etc.

So they will still have election, MLAs and a CM. How does that improve things politically? (assuming no delimitation)


Real power will be with the Governor like it is in the case of Delhi.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby arshyam » 05 Aug 2019 12:15

ani_sharma wrote:
arshyam wrote:Like Delhi, Pondicherry, etc.

So they will still have election, MLAs and a CM. How does that improve things politically? (assuming no delimitation)

Follow the money... Unlike a state, a UT cannot keep revenue except what the Centre devolves to it. And the states list of the constitution does not apply to the J&K (and Delhi and Pondicherry) assemblies as they are not true states. So the L-G will have more executive powers, especially in the domain of L&O.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby TandavBrahmand » 05 Aug 2019 12:17

ani_sharma wrote:
arshyam wrote:Like Delhi, Pondicherry, etc.

So they will still have election, MLAs and a CM. How does that improve things politically? (assuming no delimitation)


Law & Order will come under the center, unlike states. That is huge.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby hanumadu » 05 Aug 2019 12:18

nits wrote:So what we know so far
- Sec 144 in J&K
- House arrest of all Leaders in J&K
- 370 scrapped; sec 35a goes along with it
- J&K - divided in 3 - Jammu and Laddhak to be UT

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Almost 80% of J&K directly in Central control - only valley will have elections


No dude. Divided into two. Ladakh to be oen union terrirtory. J and K together another.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Patni » 05 Aug 2019 12:19

Long due action of true integration in to India! I consider what ever hardship, if any that follows, is well worth it and a historic blunder is being set straight.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby hanumadu » 05 Aug 2019 12:20

arshyam wrote:
hanumadu wrote:It's not trifurcation, its bifurcation.

This sounds like a bifurcation only.


Sir, that's what I said.
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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby V_Raman » 05 Aug 2019 12:21

This is as big as the Shakthi tests!

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Rupesh » 05 Aug 2019 12:22

Jammu will be a full state. Kashmir a UT with legislature. Ladakh UT without legislature.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Rupesh » 05 Aug 2019 12:22

Modi to address Nation later today.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby A_Gupta » 05 Aug 2019 12:22

How does this work?
Quote: On 3 April 2018, the Supreme Court of India gave a similar opinion declaring that the Article 370 has acquired a permanent status. It stated that, since the State Constituent Assembly has ceased to exist, the President of India would not be able to fulfil the mandatory provisions required for its abrogation

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby nits » 05 Aug 2019 12:24

ShyamSP wrote:
What happens to Gilgit and Baltistan/Northern Areas? Aksai chin?

Are they UTs too?


they are next in line; one day definitely with Modi at Helm; right now they are with Pak and China :x

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby RKumar » 05 Aug 2019 12:30

bkswarti wrote:I love how some people in this forum are completely fine with Modi acting like a fascist. Had Congress pulled anything similar you scums would be crying like babies and forwarding bullshit whatsapps.

We shouldn’t expect Kashmiris to act patriotic if we treat them like second class citizens.

You bhakts disgust me


You are right, we are the scums who work hard to earn our bread unlike few who steal, beg or borrow. Kashmirs are as patriotic as anyone of us here. They were, are and will be a part of India. It is only a few people who are getting money and honey to mislead the people. They got benefited due to personal contact with elites, it time to remove their historic influence and force them to follow the common rules - which are same for everyone. Normal people over there living in inhuman conditions while these elites are living in posh houses and eating all resources like parasites. Anyway, why a person living in JK should have less chances of getting a better job, house than a person living in Bihar or Kerala or UP or Punjab or Nagaland? There will be better industry and tourism after these changes.

Like you said, we are hard nuts and scums - those who try to create any kind of trouble (NaPak or otherwise), we will give no mercy and expect non in return. We are watching, sensing and listening, fully prepared to act at the first sign.

Jai Hind!!

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ShyamSP » 05 Aug 2019 12:30

nits wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:
What happens to Gilgit and Baltistan/Northern Areas? Aksai chin?

Are they UTs too?


they are next in line; one day definitely with Modi at Helm; right now they are with Pak and China :x


Yes unfortunately they require guns and forward march. Hopefully Modi-Shah will take up immediately.

All these current 37xs bills are close-door and light-off bills. :D

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby g.sarkar » 05 Aug 2019 12:36

Landless ex-servicemen should be settled in Kashmir quickly, bestowed with land and capital by the central government. Their security should be taken care of by the armed forces. I do not think many Pandits are returning after finding a life outside this area. I am sure BJP has some good ideas on this topic.
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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby tandav » 05 Aug 2019 12:37

Can I buy land in Ladakh now?

Can I also ask with this historic move can all Tier 1 cities also become UTs?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby g.sarkar » 05 Aug 2019 12:41

OK, took out the offending part.
Gautam
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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby SandeepR » 05 Aug 2019 12:45

Its opening up new Opportunity for local Kashmiri Men & Women. There would be investments in view of assured security. Boosting States infrastructure and economy.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Indranil » 05 Aug 2019 12:54

Moderator note: those who can't keep it civil and would bring religion into this will be handed instant bans. Many requests have already been made.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Sandrokottos » 05 Aug 2019 12:56

Scums in parliament creating pure pointless noise; are these the ones fighting for justice for the Kashmiri's, If so, I feel sorry for them. They are better served by a Lt. Governor, and they shall have him/her.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby abhijitm » 05 Aug 2019 12:56

X posting

I am bit confused. Is the article already repealed or the resolution is tabled? Does it require 2/3rd votes in both the houses?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby hanumadu » 05 Aug 2019 13:02

BJD is supporting the art 370 resolution.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby IndraD » 05 Aug 2019 13:03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4NLgx7r9zQ
Posting this again , this dude Shekhar Gupta got it spot on !
How Trump lit the 370 fire

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby hanumadu » 05 Aug 2019 13:05

JDU is not supporting the resolution.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby M_Joshi » 05 Aug 2019 13:06

hanumadu wrote:BJD is supporting the art 370 resolution.


Even asking for inclusion of PoK as part of new UTs.. Seculars must be burning .. :rotfl:

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Shaktimaan » 05 Aug 2019 13:13

I hate to be the contrarian during this time of apparent jubilation, but I don't see how this bifurcation solves anything .

The basic problem of religious radicalization is not solved. Pakistan is still right next door.

A negotiated settlement with the Pakis as a stakeholder would be a far longer lasting solution than more soldiers and guns. I'm saying this with full awareness as a responsible member of this forum.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby uskumar » 05 Aug 2019 13:13

IndraD wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4NLgx7r9zQ
Posting this again , this dude Shekhar Gupta got it spot on !
How Trump lit the 370 fire


I was just watching this video. im not a big fan of Shekhar Gupta but his analysis with regarding Kashmir was spot on. Pakistan will be forced to act against us and we will give them a forceful thapad. This will give keep troops and eyeball in LOC and Prevent Trump from doing a 'cut and run' in afghanistan.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby williams » 05 Aug 2019 13:16

BJD will be remembered for their service to the Nation for a long time. Happy Independence Day!!

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby hanumadu » 05 Aug 2019 13:17

YSRCP is supporting it.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Bart S » 05 Aug 2019 13:18

Shaktimaan wrote:I hate to be the contrarian during this time of apparent jubilation, but I don't see how this bifurcation solves anything .

The basic problem of religious radicalization is not solved. Pakistan is still right next door.

A negotiated settlement with the Pakis as a stakeholder would be a far longer lasting solution than more soldiers and guns. I'm saying this with full awareness as a responsible member of this forum.

:rotfl:

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Bart S » 05 Aug 2019 13:19

nits wrote:So what we know so far
- Sec 144 in J&K
- House arrest of all Leaders in J&K
- 370 scrapped; sec 35a goes along with it
- [b]J&K - divided in 3 - Jammu and Laddhak to be UT
[/b]
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Almost 80% of J&K directly in Central control - only valley will have elections


Rupesh wrote:Jammu will be a full state. Kashmir a UT with legislature. Ladakh UT without legislature.


Please do basic fact checking before posting misleading info.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Mollick.R » 05 Aug 2019 13:20

bkswarti wrote:I love how some people in this forum are completely fine with Modi acting like a fascist. Had Congress pulled anything similar you scums would be crying like babies and forwarding bullshit whatsapps.

We shouldn’t expect Kashmiris to act patriotic if we treat them like second class citizens.

You bhakts disgust me


Request to the Mods,
please ban bkswarti permanently.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby williams » 05 Aug 2019 13:21

Shaktimaan wrote:I hate to be the contrarian during this time of apparent jubilation, but I don't see how this bifurcation solves anything .

The basic problem of religious radicalization is not solved. Pakistan is still right next door.

A negotiated settlement with the Pakis as a stakeholder would be a far longer lasting solution than more soldiers and guns. I'm saying this with full awareness as a responsible member of this forum.

Shaktimaan Ji. Negotiations with Pakis will no be possible. Paki Abdul’s will demand better services the moment the need for a large army is gone. The core cammandus will not agree for it.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby g.sarkar » 05 Aug 2019 13:22

abhijitm wrote:X posting
I am bit confused. Is the article already repealed or the resolution is tabled? Does it require 2/3rd votes in both the houses?

Me too. All my life I was told that the removal of article 370 needed an amendment of Constitution. I remember when Mrs. Gandhi abolished the privy purse back in 1971 by amending the constitution. A very cumbersome process and possible only if one party had absolute majority, which she did. Hence, it was not possible to be done. Now, it seems that the article 370 was provisional and did not need all that stuff. I am sure this will be discussed in the news papers shortly.
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