I meant the period from 1947 to 2014, when congress was mostly in power, with small exceptions.pankajs wrote:^^
This was always on the plate for this LS via BJP's agenda but the changing situation around J&K prompted Modi/GOI to fast-track it.
that someone IIRC was Ajit doval in an interview..he also said, we must increase our weight and punch at our weight..neither above nor below..manjgu wrote:g.sarkar... as someone said we always punch below our weight. we dont have the DNA of a superpower.
Let us not go there. Some time back the sign read "Dogs and Chinese not allowed". What happened to them? Someone can say something, what of it?manjgu wrote:g.sarkar... as someone said we always punch below our weight. we dont have the DNA of a superpower.
Not a response to your post saar but of the one before of williams saar.g.sarkar wrote:I meant the period from 1947 to 2014, when congress was mostly in power, with small exceptions.pankajs wrote:^^
This was always on the plate for this LS via BJP's agenda but the changing situation around J&K prompted Modi/GOI to fast-track it.
Gautam
CON dilemma is clear at least to me if not its leaders.hanumadu wrote:Actually the reaction from congress in Rajya Sabha has been muted. They made some noise initially and still making some but not enough to affect the proceedings. The deputy chairman was repeatedly calling Ambika Soni to speak but she was just absent.
ArjunPandit wrote:^mehbooba mufti tweeted in morning..makes me wonder if her account is operated from pakistan...
No problem Boss.pankajs wrote: Not a response to your post saar but of the one before of williams saar.
Just so happened that I did not quote him and you post got in the middle. I was too lazy to correct it but I guess I should have edited my post once I realize you had posted in the interim.
What can happen in a "secular" government comes back to the centre? Can they bring back this article? Or is the idea to balkanize J&K to two different entities so much so that even bringing back Art. 370 will not have any effect?g.sarkar wrote:In a major development, Union Home Minister Amit Shah moved a resolution in the Rajya Sabha to make Article 370 inoperative in Jammu and Kashmir. Interestingly, Amit Shah in his statement made in the Rajya Sabha invoked the same Article 370 to make inoperative. Section 3 of Article 370 empowers the President to declare the special status granted to Jammu and Kashmir under the Article inoperative anytime.
From what I understand, the plan to split a state requires majority in both houses of Parliament. In Lok Sabha the "communals" any way are in big majority, and in Rajya Sabha too they have backing of some parties like Biju Patnaik's party etc. They would mostly have the numbers there as well.Yagnasri wrote:There may be a need for approval of the Parliament with simple majority for creation of Ladakh UT and J&K UT. I think as of today there are numbers for it.
They can, via a constitutional amendment, which needs 2/3 present and voting, plus simple majority of 50% of all state legislatures. I don't think they can add a article to the temporary section again without both houses voting for it at minimum. Maybe Yagnasri garu could comment further about this?Sachin wrote:What can happen in a "secular" government comes back to the centre? Can they bring back this article? Or is the idea to balkanize J&K to two different entities so much so that even bringing back Art. 370 will not have any effect?
Isn't it both houses present and voting? It should easily pass then. Even if both houses have to vote separately, at the beginning of today's proceedings, the VP announced that he had accepted the resignations of 2 RS MPs with immediate effect after due verification. So the strength of RS is further reduced, and is bound to help the govt push this through.Yagnasri wrote:There may be a need for approval of the Parliament with simple majority for creation of Ladakh UT and J&K UT. I think as of today there are numbers for it.
Very good summary.manjgu wrote:bifurcation solves many but not all problems. 1) ladhak will develop more rapidly now with more funds, quicker decision making and being free from srinagars overbearing control. All kinds of kashmiri chuts come to ladhak to inspect and order 2) jammu and kashmir as UT means LG will have lot of say in administration ..most notably police will be under LG. The previous CM's compromised the police and thus the anti terrorism ops 3) annuling 35A means demographics of J&K will change and with that delimitation etc. the CG will shift towards Jammu in medium to long term. 4) question of infiltration , terrorism will persist and will need more resolute action. But this is a HUGE step
That guy doesn't have much option. Dilli assembly elections are round the corner. People will stone him if he sides with Congress.Vikas wrote:Even Kejriwal welcomed the move
NEW DELHI: The government on Monday abolished Article 370 that gave special status to Jammu and Kashmir and moved a separate bill to bifurcate the state into two separate union territories of Jammu and Kashmir, and Ladakh, amid massive opposition uproar in Rajya Sabha.
Home Minister Amit Shah moved a resolution in the House to abolish Article 370 after the President issued a notification in this regard and also moved the Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Bill 2019.
What will change in J&K with revocation of Article 370:-
* Separate constitution
Earlier, Jammu and Kashmir was the only state in the country with its separate constitution as per the provisions mentioned in Article 370, a 'temporary provision' that grants special autonomous status to Jammu & Kashmir.
Now, the government's decision to revoke Article 370 will revoke the special provision which grants power to J&K to have its own constitution. With the revocation of Article 370, Jammu and Kashmir will adhere to the Constitution of India, much like the rest of the country.
* Right to buy property
Earlier, Article 35A, which is based on Article 370, empowered the J&K legislature to define the state's 'permanent residents' and grant them special rights and privileges.
Now, with the scrapping of Article 370 (and hence Article 35A) people from outside J&K will also be able to to buy property in the state and settle there.
* Law and order
Earlier, law and order was under the control of the state government
Now, following the bifurcation of the state into two Union Territories — J&K and Ladakh, the law and order machinery will have to be restructured. The government can structure the power-sharing model on the lines of either Delhi or Puducherry, both union territories. In Delhi, law and order is under the control of the Union government, while in Puducherry, law and order is a state subject.
* Central laws
Earlier, the central government had to seek approval of the state legislature to draft and enact laws.
Now, central laws will automatically apply to the state.
* Separate flag
Earlier, Article 370 granted special permission to J&K to have its own flag along with the national flag.
Now, it will depend upon Parliament to decide if the state can continue having its own flag.
The most important part is J&K police will be under home ministry. That itself will give sleepless nights to separatists.tsarkar wrote:Very good summary.manjgu wrote:bifurcation solves many but not all problems. 1) ladhak will develop more rapidly now with more funds, quicker decision making and being free from srinagars overbearing control. All kinds of kashmiri chuts come to ladhak to inspect and order 2) jammu and kashmir as UT means LG will have lot of say in administration ..most notably police will be under LG. The previous CM's compromised the police and thus the anti terrorism ops 3) annuling 35A means demographics of J&K will change and with that delimitation etc. the CG will shift towards Jammu in medium to long term. 4) question of infiltration , terrorism will persist and will need more resolute action. But this is a HUGE step
Infiltration and terrorism happens at Maharastra too via Kasab and Article 370 or lack of it wont impact it anyways.
Operations like Uri and Balkot will curtail infiltration and terrorism.
While CON/JDU have failed the test others are rushing to stay on the right side.N Chandrababu Naidu @ncbn
Telugu Desam Party supports the Union Govt as it seeks to repeal Article 370. I pray for the peace and prosperity of the people of J&K.
#Article370
They are doing this out of spite against BJP as Fadnavis in MH has put a big bamboo in their behind.Sonugn wrote:NCP will abstain
Are you talking about future? it is anybody's guess. It is completely personal perspective to be positive or negative and play what-if future scenario in mind to no end. We can only learn from the past and if the problem was not solved by method X then we should try method Y.greatde wrote:Ppl are jumping on the bandwagon. Most people think that just because going one side hasnt worked, going the opposite side will solve it. Its amateurish thinking and really nobody knows how it will all work out...
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Congress Chief Whip Bhuvaneshwar Kalita quits party over Article 370 stand. Says, he was asked by party to issue Whip but this is against the mood and emotions of the nation. Says he quits the party as the party is on way towards destruction. Huge. Embarrassment for Congress.
was about to post this...was this intended? this paves the way for folks with active conscience in congress to join bjp..pankajs wrote:Agony pareeksha for CON ... but they are failing ... BJP will keep harping on the CON stand in the upcoming state elections!
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Congress Chief Whip Bhuvaneshwar Kalita quits party over Article 370 stand. Says, he was asked by party to issue Whip but this is against the mood and emotions of the nation. Says he quits the party as the party is on way towards destruction. Huge. Embarrassment for Congress.
