J&K News and Discussion - 2016

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Cain Marko » 08 Aug 2019 00:52

pankajs wrote:
Peregrine wrote:[url=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/why-sushma-swaraj-would-have-worn-green-saree-today/articleshow/70568420.cms]- [b]She would wear White sarees on Monday. Red on Tuesdays, Green on Wednesdays, Yellow on Thursdays, Purole on Fridays Blue on Saturdays while Sundays would be free

Does any realize the link of the colors to the days? This is not random pairing on a whim. :)

Astrological significance... As you pointed out. Very big thing amongst most Indian leaders. And rightly so.

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Postby Suraj » 08 Aug 2019 01:00

disha wrote:
Suraj wrote:J&K has it's own Penal Code. It's called Ranbir Penal Code, after Maharaja Ranbir Singh of the Dogra dynasty. Some important sections of the Indian Penal Code are missing from RPC:
IPC Section 153A: Promoting enmity between different groups on grounds of religion, race, place of birth, residence, language, etc
IPC Section 195A: Threatening any person to give false evidence
IPC 304B: Dowry deaths
IPC 153A is the kicker - it'll affect a lot of phree dumb fighters.


All the stone pelters will face the IPC and not the RPC. :)

First act of the governor should be to launch prosecutors from India and put several of the cashmeres in dock under tax and finance related laws. Show them as corrupt and hit their finances hard.

The lay Kashmiri should see how much has been looted from them and should be disillusioned in their cashmere leadership. In the meantime, ask all state tourism departments to set up their yatri bhavans in Jammu, Srinagar and Leh. In fact, the central government should acquire land in the order of several acres and invite each state to setup their yatri bhavans over there. Further each state should start its own industrial and business outreach programs from those bhavans.

Basically complete integration into India.

Saar-ji, I hereby present:
Advocate Murad Ali files sedition case against Omar Abdullah, Mehbooba Mufti and others for opposing abrogation of Article 370
A lawyer in Betia court, Murad Ali filed a petition under charges of sedition and criminal conspiracy for opposing the scrapping of Article 370. “I have registered a case against former chief ministers of Jammu and Kashmir Mehbooba Mufti, Omar Abdullah and other political leaders who have opposed the abrogation of Article 370,” Ali told ANI.

Ali further elaborated the sections under which he has filed a case. “I have filed the case under Section 124 A (sedition), 153 A (promoting enmity between different groups of religion, race, place of birth, residence and language), 153 B, 504 (Intentional insult with intent to provoke breach of the peace) and 120B (criminal conspiracy) of the Indian Penal Code,” he said.

:rotfl:

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Postby UlanBatori » 08 Aug 2019 01:39

ramana wrote:Watch the video of NSA eating roti with Kashmir residents and getting direct feedback in Shopian.

That one seems a bit fixed, sorry. The tall one w/ brown hair coolly focused on his roti looks 400% RAA. It is probably NSA getting sitrep from his ppl, no problem with that. There were no questions like "do u have enough 2 eat? Power? medicines?" It would be crazy for NSA to venture into a home where there might be a jehadized youth or shaheed-ki-maa waiting with a knife.

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Postby Manu » 08 Aug 2019 01:53

It is not fixed (just that the numbers are far from overwhelming). The camera persons were not from a BJP friendly group. And this is Shopian. Stone Pelter Ground Zero. A lot of AK-47 brandishing etc...

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Postby g.sarkar » 08 Aug 2019 02:23

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/j ... source=rss
J&K flag to be removed permanently after revocation of special status for J&K
Parliament approved a resolution abrogating special status to Jammu and Kashmir under Article 370 of the Constitution and a bill for splitting the state into two union territories.
Jammu, August 7, 2019
As the Centre revoked provisions of Article 370 that gave special status to Jammu and Kashmir, the official state flag will soon be permanently removed. As per reports, the official state flag is still seen hoisted along with the tricolour at the Civil Secretariat building in Srinagar.
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Advocate Arun Kandroo says under Article 370 of the Constitution of India, Jammu and Kashmir had a separate Constitution and a separate flag. On June 7, 1952, a resolution was passed by the Constituent assembly of Jammu and Kashmir, declaring an official state flag.
Syama Prasad Mukherjee, who founded the Bhartiya Jana Sangh that later became the BJP, started a campaign to oppose Article 370 since the Jan Sangh days, a BJP leader said. After Jammu and Kashmir's merger into the Indian Union was passed, a slogan was coined by the BJP, "Ek desh mein do Vidhan, do Pradhan aur do Nishan nahi chalenge (There cannot be two Constitutions, two prime ministers and two flags in one nation)", the BJP leader said.
In order to protest and create national awareness for Jammu and Kashmir's complete integration, Mukherjee, along with Atal Bihari Vajpayee, travelled across the country and entered Jammu and Kashmir on May 11, 1953, without any permit. "Mukherjee was arrested there by Jammu and Kashmir Police and later died in custody on June 23, 1953. Mukherjee's move ended the permit system for entry into the state," the leader said. While the permit system was abolished followed by conversions of prime minister and Sadr-e-Riyasat into post of chief minister and governor, but the Constitution and the flag continued to remain in the state, political analyst Rajiv Pandita says. During the PDP-BJP rule in 2015, the state government, on March 12, 2015, had issued a circular asking constitutional authorities to hoist the state flag along with the tricolour on government buildings and vehicles. The move, however, had not gone down well with the coalition partner, the BJP.
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Gautam

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Postby Anujan » 08 Aug 2019 02:49

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We are doomed


Make that man the next finance Minister!!!

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Postby Vips » 08 Aug 2019 04:02

Peacefools are saying if outsiders can settle in J&K then lets invite Muslims from rest of India to come and settle.

We now have to be careful to see Bangladeshis and other illegals largely from the North East dont end up there. Quite a few Rohingyas have already settled in Jammu.

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Postby Rudradev » 08 Aug 2019 04:10

This makes it absolutely imperative that the mass-scale resettlement of kafirs in J&K should be pursued on a war footing. There is nothing to stop various Jama'ats etc. ramping up their efforts to settle non-Kashmiri peacefools into J&K. As previously noted, this was happening anyway, including with Rohingyas... but it can be thrown into high gear now.

Their institutions are committed to the project of making sure J&K remains peacefool-majority. If this is not countered and overwhelmed by a much bigger push to swamp J&K with non-peacefools, a major gift of the 370 abrogation is wasted forever.

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Postby UlanBatori » 08 Aug 2019 06:03

Absolutely. See what I posted about NGOs that don't avail themselves of minority status, being given support in the Kashmir Diversity Initiative (KDI). Can't imagine that MAD haven't through through what they are going to do with the 370-less-ness.

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Postby UlanBatori » 08 Aug 2019 06:07

Terroristan PM threatens new clear war

'Is the World Prepared for the Worst?': Imran Khan on Kashmir Issue | The Quint

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Postby sudarshan » 08 Aug 2019 06:10

Rudradev wrote:This makes it absolutely imperative that the mass-scale resettlement of kafirs in J&K should be pursued on a war footing. There is nothing to stop various Jama'ats etc. ramping up their efforts to settle non-Kashmiri peacefools into J&K. As previously noted, this was happening anyway, including with Rohingyas... but it can be thrown into high gear now.

Their institutions are committed to the project of making sure J&K remains peacefool-majority. If this is not countered and overwhelmed by a much bigger push to swamp J&K with non-peacefools, a major gift of the 370 abrogation is wasted forever.


The other danger is that there could be an influx of EJs there. I've seen some of their mindset, they would see this as a heaven-sent (pun intended) opportunity. These are the people who have no qualms about sailing off to Andaman islands with hostile tribals. This "letting any Indian buy property in J&K" is a good deal, but needs to be handled very carefully, Hindus would be a lot more apathetic about the opportunity than these other types.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Vikas » 08 Aug 2019 09:33

Do you really think that KM's fall in love with India if they see progress and jobs in J&K. IN that case, You might want to get out of this fantasy state. Kashmir is not a poor place and there is already enough money going around to keep everyone fed and warm.
Social engineering is the most obvious solution unless MAD has something else in mind.

PS: Bollywood hardly goes to Kashmir for shooting since 'Silsila' days. It is way cheaper and more luxurious to fly down to Europe/Africa and shoot in more gorgeous locales with all the facilities. Kashmir in comparison looks like $hit hole.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby yensoy » 08 Aug 2019 10:31

We don't need KMs to love India. We only need them to grudgingly accept the situation and live with it; love will come from outside the valley in copious amounts.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby tapan » 08 Aug 2019 10:54

Unemployment rate in Kashmir in 2018 was more than 12%. I purposely went a year back, did not want to bring up any article from the last 3 days.
So when you say they have ample money, its just the Two Families and their cronies.

https://www.newsclick.in/unemployment-a ... mu-kashmir

Vikas wrote:Do you really think that KM's fall in love with India if they see progress and jobs in J&K. IN that case, You might want to get out of this fantasy state. Kashmir is not a poor place and there is already enough money going around to keep everyone fed and warm.
Social engineering is the most obvious solution unless MAD has something else in mind.

PS: Bollywood hardly goes to Kashmir for shooting since 'Silsila' days. It is way cheaper and more luxurious to fly down to Europe/Africa and shoot in more gorgeous locales with all the facilities. Kashmir in comparison looks like $hit hole.

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Postby disha » 08 Aug 2019 11:09

I have an earnest request.

Can we collect all the news videos/articles/on-street reactions etc where the Bakistanis are talking about killing Hindus? Please post it in Bakistan related thread.

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Vikas wrote:Do you really think that KM's fall in love with India if they see progress and jobs in J&K. IN that case, You might want to get out of this fantasy state. Kashmir is not a poor place and there is already enough money going around to keep everyone fed and warm.
Social engineering is the most obvious solution unless MAD has something else in mind.

PS: Bollywood hardly goes to Kashmir for shooting since 'Silsila' days. It is way cheaper and more luxurious to fly down to Europe/Africa and shoot in more gorgeous locales with all the facilities. Kashmir in comparison looks like $hit hole.


KM see India as weak as that is propaganda bombarded to them by the Leftist establishment in India and Islamists in Pakistan, they wanted to turn Jammu areas also into thier feifdom, once they see Jammu as prosperous and Pakistan sliding into chaos, then the tide will change.

As per this propaganda machine the Hindu has always lost militarily and has been a slave for 1000 years. Once reality starts dawning people will change, nobody wants to be on the loosing side.

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Postby abhijitm » 08 Aug 2019 14:34

Vikas wrote:Do you really think that KM's fall in love with India if they see progress and jobs in J&K. IN that case, You might want to get out of this fantasy state. Kashmir is not a poor place and there is already enough money going around to keep everyone fed and warm.
Social engineering is the most obvious solution unless MAD has something else in mind.

No, but job safety will reduce the numbers of jihadis over a period. And slowly demography change should also happen as you rightly said.

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Postby Kashi » 08 Aug 2019 14:35

abhijitm wrote:No, but job safety will reduce the numbers of jihadis over a period. And slowly demography change should also happen as you rightly said.


Any basis for that claim of yours?

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Postby Yagnasri » 08 Aug 2019 14:51

UlanBatori wrote:Horrror of horrors, NO MORE India-Pak cricket!!!! :(( :((


Is it going to happen? We need to ask pakis kick out from ICC. No international games to pakis. No if and buts. ICC if it wants India to be a member shall kick out pakis.

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Kashi wrote:
abhijitm wrote:No, but job safety will reduce the numbers of jihadis over a period. And slowly demography change should also happen as you rightly said.


Any basis for that claim of yours?

If you don't agree then counter it why jobs will not reduce the probability of an unemployed youth joining jihad.

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Postby schinnas » 08 Aug 2019 15:20

The irrational moves by Pakistan and public comments by Im the Dim and Bajwa are concerning. Firstly, Pakistan is going to utterly fail in drumming up international support for their wailing judging by reaction (or lack there of) of the Intl community. Even their close benefactor, UAE supported the move instead of keeping a neutral silence!

This will force Pakis to do something really stupid and invite a strong military response from India leading even to a war. They have nothing to lose....A basket case economy and increasing public unrest. Being ignored and relegated to an inconsequential non entity vis a vis India is worse than defeat for them. So they will likely do some major mischief through both uniformed and non uniformed jihadis.

Given our impetus to get growth rate back to 8%, this will be a big nuisance and distraction for us. I just hope the reaction is so severe that it cripples them for several years militarily.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 08 Aug 2019 15:40

can we consider increased production at OFB, Kalyani and Tata SED, Godrej Aerospace, HAL, BEL as increased impetus to our economy? the strategy should be to go after capital assets: Ships, Airbases to reduce them like an organized taliban

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Postby Kashi » 08 Aug 2019 16:19

abhijitm wrote:If you don't agree then counter it why jobs will not reduce the probability of an unemployed youth joining jihad.


One of the recent trends of educated, employed upwardly-mobile folks morphing into jihadis would belie your claims of more jobs == less jihad

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Postby UlanBatori » 08 Aug 2019 16:44

More jobs == higher recruitment cost of soosai-bummers? Just hoping. I wonder if Prof. Hafiz Saeed still offers his Life Insurance and Widow-Personal-Care Program. Are their Parental Benefits in that for parents who send their children to early Houristan?

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Postby UlanBatori » 08 Aug 2019 16:55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylnEBePz9d8

Stay on past the Ashraf **** cra* until the Valmiki community ppl in Jammu speak. Incredible: The community has been living there since 1957 but had no rights!! :evil: Send the KVM separatist sh1ts to Xinjiang.

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Postby UlanBatori » 08 Aug 2019 17:01

Hundi giving remarkably balanced reporting. What gives?
Islamabad depicting alarmist picture of bilateral ties, says MEA

Pakistan should review its Wednesday decision to downgrade ties with India and suspend trade, the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) said on Thursday after Islamabad declared that the Indian envoy would be asked to return. The Pakistani actions were aimed at presenting an “alarmist picture to the world.”
... ending of special status to Jammu and Kashmir was an internal affair of India and was aimed at bringing developmental opportunities to the people there. Pakistan exploited the lack of developmental opportunities to generate disaffections and “to justify its cross-border terrorism.”
“The Government of India regrets the steps announced by Pakistan yesterday and would urge that country to review them so that normal channels of communications are preserved,” it said.
The earlier provisions of Article 370 denied developmental opportunities to Kashmir and annulling the special status would ensure an end to the “socio-economic discrimination and ensure an upswing in economic activity and improve the livelihood prospects of all people of Jammu and Kashmir,” it said.
“The recent developments pertaining to Article 370 are entirely the internal affair of India. The Constitution of India was, is and will always be a sovereign matter. Seeking to interfere in that jurisdiction by invoking an alarmist vision of the region will never succeed,” said the statement.

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Postby mmasand » 08 Aug 2019 17:38

Four cops in JKP suspended for dereliction of duty. 2 constables drove Farooq miyaan out of his residence without keeping his Z+ PSO's in the loop.
A DCP attached on protection detail for Meh-boo-buh was suspended for objecting to the chosen '5 star' jail.
PS apparently those tweets she sent out despite the internet being down were through 'FireChat'.

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Postby chetak » 08 Aug 2019 17:46

abhijitm wrote:
Vikas wrote:Do you really think that KM's fall in love with India if they see progress and jobs in J&K. IN that case, You might want to get out of this fantasy state. Kashmir is not a poor place and there is already enough money going around to keep everyone fed and warm.
Social engineering is the most obvious solution unless MAD has something else in mind.

No, but job safety will reduce the numbers of jihadis over a period. And slowly demography change should also happen as you rightly said.


a large number of those in cashmere have govt jobs while many more of them are already staying and working in India.

this is how they see their entitlement as also the bounden duty of the Indian state to provide the same to them.

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Postby Vips » 08 Aug 2019 17:48

Ghulam Nabi Azad is claiming even Ladakh is Peacefool Majority. Given that the total fertility rate of J&K at 1.6 is below the replacement rate (Iam pleasantly surprised by this),it is clear that lot of peacefools have already been moved from other parts into ladakh in a well thought out strategy.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 08 Aug 2019 18:22

UlanBatori wrote:More jobs == higher recruitment cost of soosai-bummers? Just hoping. I wonder if Prof. Hafiz Saeed still offers his Life Insurance and Widow-Personal-Care Program. Are their Parental Benefits in that for parents who send their children to early Houristan?

nothing can match 72 raisins in afterlife...


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Postby DharmaB » 08 Aug 2019 19:04

schinnas wrote:The irrational moves by Pakistan and public comments by Im the Dim and Bajwa are concerning. Firstly, Pakistan is going to utterly fail in drumming up international support for their wailing judging by reaction (or lack there of) of the Intl community. Even their close benefactor, UAE supported the move instead of keeping a neutral silence!

This will force Pakis to do something really stupid and invite a strong military response from India leading even to a war. They have nothing to lose....A basket case economy and increasing public unrest. Being ignored and relegated to an inconsequential non entity vis a vis India is worse than defeat for them. So they will likely do some major mischief through both uniformed and non uniformed jihadis.

Given our impetus to get growth rate back to 8%, this will be a big nuisance and distraction for us. I just hope the reaction is so severe that it cripples them for several years militarily.


Now we are already landed in unknown waters. So hope what ever the actions of govt should aim to get out of these uncertainty with as less damage as possible, and establish a long lasting peace and development path. 8% growth shouldn't be a concern compared to what we are going to achieve for a more robust growth after the crisis is over. To get something bigger we need to be prepared to sacrifice somethings.

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Postby DharmaB » 08 Aug 2019 19:13

The inevitable has to happen anyway sooner or later. IMO sooner the better. Few years back, I wondered and worried how on earth this pak problem could be solved. I couldn't imagine that we could come near to a solution this soon. Of course there will be lot to worry and pray for things go smooth until this ends in a conclusion.

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Postby pgbhat » 08 Aug 2019 19:14

UlanBatori wrote:More jobs == higher recruitment cost of soosai-bummers? Just hoping. I wonder if Prof. Hafiz Saeed still offers his Life Insurance and Widow-Personal-Care Program. Are their Parental Benefits in that for parents who send their children to early Houristan?

Fair Didi's interview
The most interesting thing is the role of the mothers. How the mothers will tell their sons, “I don’t want you to come back a ghazi (hero), I want you to be a shaheed (martyr).” The mothers will tell them two things: “I want the status of being a shaheed’s mother.” And, creepily, “I want you to go to Allah and bring me to heaven.” There is no way that mama can go to heaven if it doesn’t involve her son getting shot. I can never imagine an American mother saying, “Son, I want you to come home in a coffin so that I can have the prestige of being a gold star mom.” Can you imagine an Indian mother saying this to her son? That to me was the most startling aspect.
Pakis are a gone case...may be KMs are iin same boat. Time will tell.

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Postby Saral » 08 Aug 2019 19:23

Anyone have link to ram madhav interview by Marya shakil on cnn news18? Was there briefly on TW but now inaccessible.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby williams » 08 Aug 2019 19:59

The truth is money is poured into Kashmir, but there is no real development to show in there. Plus it sounds like the so-called Kashmiri leaders were directly or indirectly supporting the terrorist or at least they were sympathetic to terrorists. When real public and private investment comes in and when the standards of living get better KM will start focusing on their own development. They may not become Dharmic but they will be like any other Muslim citizens of India.

The current security blanket is a great opportunity for sigint and humanint guys to identify enemy elements very easily if played right. Once such elements are identified and neutralized, I think Kashmir is going to become a normal Indian state. That's exactly what makes the Pakis scream murder right now.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Sonugn » 08 Aug 2019 20:08

Around 70 terrorists and hardcore pro-Pakistan separatists from Kashmir valley have been shifted to Agra. The terrorists and separatists were shifted in a special plane provided by the Indian Air Force
Around 70 terrorists and hardcore pro-Pakistan separatists from Kashmir valley have been shifted to Agra. The terrorists and separatists were shifted in a special plane provided by the Indian Air Force: Sources

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Rony » 08 Aug 2019 20:09

Pakistan Occupied Residual Kashmir (PORK). Very apt. We need to popularize this instead of POK

https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/115939 ... 58976?s=20

Pakistan is a bankrupt, powerless, jihad infested country. Abandoned and rejected by the Muslim “Ummah” over Kashmir, all they can do is sit in Pakistan Occupied Residual Kashmir (PORK) and cry as PM Modi shuts down terrorism across India! #KashmirWithModi


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