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J&K News and Discussion - 2016

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Postby CRamS » 17 Sep 2016 21:10

All these libtard punks don't spell out what they mean by "political settlement". And the reason is obvious. In their mind, Kashmir should be granted quasi independence if not full independence, and some joint sovereignty crap.

Coming to Doval doctrine, while I am in agreement that crack down on hard core Islamists and proxies in the valley is a must, but in the long run, I cannot see it succeed unless TSP is made to a pay a substantial price.

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Postby nandakumar » 17 Sep 2016 21:33

Let us look at the first of the flaws according to the author.

If stones are organised. ... surely must be video evidence that nationalist television anchors can purvey endlessly – but we are yet to ......
So what is he suggesting. Unlike every where else where the skies rain water in Kashmir it is raining stones and protestors just happen to pick it up?

If the people on the streets assemble for a range of developmental grievances, apart from separatism, as Doval contends, then why are they being shot dead as if they are all saboteurs?
There is in incontrovertible evidence that they are not asking for street lights or drinking water.

Doval’s theory assumes that a period of shock therapy will rewire the way Kashmiris think about their situation and accordingly adjust their expectations. But it underestimates what collective suffering does to social resolve; a sense of injustice reinforces the search for meaning, it 
The police in Alabama or Missouri don't think so leave alone the Chinese when they went after the protestors at Tian an Mien Square. Surely by now the author's social theory must have taken roots in China?

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Postby chetak » 17 Sep 2016 21:42

CRamS wrote:All these libtard punks don't spell out what they mean by "political settlement". And the reason is obvious. In their mind, Kashmir should be granted quasi independence if not full independence, and some joint sovereignty crap.

Coming to Doval doctrine, while I am in agreement that crack down on hard core Islamists and proxies in the valley is a must, but in the long run, I cannot see it succeed unless TSP is made to a pay a substantial price.



shut down the money and bring down the excessive central funding to the level of funding given to other states of the union.

Charge the realistic prices for petrol and other commodities that reflects the cost of transportation and as the J&K produce like apples sold in the rest of India already includes such costs inbuilt.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby RoyG » 18 Sep 2016 06:43

Terror attack at Army HQ in Uri.

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Postby CRamS » 18 Sep 2016 11:20

Indeed, 15+ of our guys, the good guys down. Very sad. Wonder how it happened. Intel failure? No doubt the 4 Paki pigLeTs were neutralized, but how did they get into the base? Some local collusion for sure.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Prem » 21 Sep 2016 03:02

ED: PoK men living in Sonia's Italy fund Valley unrest via separatists

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... IIndiaNews

RINAGAR: Less than three weeks before the Uri attack by Jaish-e-Mohammad, the ED sought details on six men from PoK living in Italy for funding terror activities through Hurriyat separatists in Kashmir. TOI has accessed the chargesheet submitted by the ED before the district court in Srinagar on August 24 and August 30.The chargesheet says an Italian remittance firm, Madina Trading, at Corso Garibaldi in Brescia, Italy, has been used by two Hurriyat separatists, Firdous Ahmad Shah and Yar Mohammad Khan, to accept money from the PoK-based men. Shah and Khan have been shown as accused in a money laundering case and charged with raising funds for terrorist activities, holding proceeds of terrorism and waging and attempting war against India in the ED chargesheet.The charges put the role of Kashmiri separatists in the unrest under the scanner as Shah is the chief of Democratic Political Movement and member of Syed Ali Shah Geelani's hardline Hurriyat Conference. Also, the same firm, Madina Trading, was used to create a voice over internet protocol account with software firm Callphonex for the 26/11 attackers in 2008.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Rishirishi » 21 Sep 2016 05:30

Make it illegal to advocate breakup of India. Take away the citizenship and put them in a camp for refugees or hand them the death penalty. Do that with anyone caught cooperating with seperatists. Also make it an policy to crate diversity in any area that demands seperate state.

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Postby RoyG » 21 Sep 2016 05:42

Rishirishi wrote:Make it illegal to advocate breakup of India. Take away the citizenship and put them in a camp for refugees or hand them the death penalty. Do that with anyone caught cooperating with seperatists. Also make it an policy to crate diversity in any area that demands seperate state.


Captain India over here :lol:

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Skanda » 21 Sep 2016 06:45

NDTV Blogs: The 12-Year-Old Who Stopped Our Car And Pelted Stones At Us In Kashmir

Our vehicle screeched to a halt. We were returning from Uri where 18 soldiers were killed in a terror attack a day before. The forces deployed along the highway were pulling back for the day. From the front seat of the car, I could only see the top of a head. A boy, no older than 12, had forced our vehicle to stop. With him was a group of another dozen, all in the same age group - 12 to 14 years old.

These are the "stone-pelters" of Kashmir. Majority of the stone pelters I could see were minors. As the security forces withdraw each day, groups of young boys take over the streets and highways.

Our driver Ashiq, in his mid-fifties, apologised profusely to the boys for having broken an unofficial lock-down imposed by separatists in Kashmir. They were not listening and threw stones at the vehicle.

Sheikh Momin, our camera person, jumped out to reason with the group. Momin is local boy who has studied in Srinagar and now works with NDTV in New Delhi.

As he tried to talk to the boys, they zeroed in on a band he was wearing. "Why the band on your hand, it is un-Islamic?" a boy, about 12, said. They sure know their religion. No doubt there.

Momin, in his mid-20s and who wears faded jeans, loves apps on his phone and listens to pop music, was stumped. As he searched for an answer, the young boys said, "You are a Hindu." And then, pointing to the camera slung across his shoulder, another accusation - "Indian media".

A few adults watched from a distance as the boys conducted their inquisition. None made an attempt to either stop them. Sensing trouble, Ashiq bowed and touched the feet of the 12-year-old to ask for forgiveness for having violated the lock-down orders issued by the Hurriyat and being enforced by its band of child soldiers.

He then had to listen to a long sermon and a heap of abuses from the boy, younger than his grandson. He did so quietly and was finally allowed to go after he promised never to violate the lock down again.

Along the highway, an elderly man who keeps his small shop open on the sly, said "I don't believe Burhan Wani's killing triggered this, something doesn't match." (Maybe Aliens infiltrated Kashmiris. Why be in denial over Islamism)

At night, slogans of "Azaadi" or freedom blare out from a mosque in the heart of capital Srinagar, where we are staying.

Over the last few months, it is groups of boys like the ones we met who have been holding the streets of Kashmir to ransom.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby dsreedhar » 21 Sep 2016 09:16

Just curious what is the typical family size (num of kids) in Kashmir valley?

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Postby jamwal » 21 Sep 2016 10:05

Almostnever smaller than 2. 4 kids is common

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Postby hanumadu » 21 Sep 2016 10:14

A few adults watched from a distance as the boys conducted their inquisition. None made an attempt to either stop them. Sensing trouble, Ashiq bowed and touched the feet of the 12-year-old to ask for forgiveness for having violated the lock-down orders issued by the Hurriyat and being enforced by its band of child soldiers.


They can order lock down and have people obey them because of all the free goodies they get from the govt. They don't have to worry about how to get food on the table, clothes to wear or education and a job. Freeloading mofos.

Over the last few months, it is groups of boys like the ones we met who have been holding the streets of Kashmir to ransom.

And then they will cry how Indian security forces are killing kids. Eunuchs hiding behind kids. I wonder if they learnt their tricks from Palestinians or the CIA.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 21 Sep 2016 10:49

So basically, Hurriyat and Pakistan use child soldiers to do thier work nice and the so called international community accepts the use of child soldiers.

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Postby arun » 09 Oct 2016 10:02

Was struck by the headlines in today’s print edition of DNA which reported separate and unrelated deaths of teenagers under the overarching headline of “No Country For Children”.

While both deaths are fit examples for our Justice system to go after the parents for criminal negligence of not ensuring their children were not indulging in dangerous activities that led to their demise, the contrast between the stories could not be starker.

The 13 year old Jain Girl from Hyderabad, Aradhana, indulged in an activity out of love for her family in a manner that did not contribute to physical harm to anyone else. The Mohammadden boy from Srinagar, Junaid Akhoon, on the other hand involved himself in a violent riotous activity in support of a Mohammadden Terrorist and perished in a Police operation to restore law and order:

13-year-old Jain girl passes away after fasting for 68 days

Srinagar: 12-year-old succumbs to pellet injuries, sparks fresh clashes; curfew imposed

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Postby Dipanker » 09 Oct 2016 23:55

OWEN BENNETT-JONES take on Why Kashmir problem fails to attract international attention:

A blip on the radar

FOR years, Pakistani bureaucrats, politicians and army chiefs have wondered: ‘how can we get the world to take an interest in Kashmir?’ The state’s diplomats have presented the case to their counterparts in foreign capitals. The military men have raised it with their opposite numbers abroad and the spin doctors have implored foreign journalists to write about the issue. And yet it never seems to happen.

After all, other national causes do attract international sympathy. Islamabad’s close relationship with Beijing may mean that the Tibetans don’t enjoy much support from Pakistanis, but around the world there is significant moral backing for Tibetan rights. Similarly, the Kurds have managed to convince many that they have suffered a historical injustice. Others such as the East Timorese, the South Sudanese, the Bosnians and the Kosovans have managed to break free of those who they believed were oppressing them. Why is Kashmir different?

Certain characteristics of the Kashmir dispute are unusual. First and foremost, Kashmir is the subject of an international bilateral dispute. Many of the currently active independence movements around the world — take for example the Scots, the Uyghurs and the Baloch — consist of local nationalists using various tactics, violent and peaceful, to struggle against their govern­ment. And although many Kashmiris may see their campaign in those terms, the involvement of Islamabad and New Delhi has always made it more complicated. Were the Kashmiris to achieve some of their objec­tives, New Delhi would not only suffer the loss of territory but also a defeat at the hands of Islamabad. Put another way, the juxtaposed interests of Islamabad and New Delhi have made it more difficult for Kashmiris who want to break free of India to couch the demands as a straightforward battle for their rights.

Why isn’t the world interested in Kashmir?
The long-standing ambivalence of Kashmir’s leading political family reveals another aspect of the problem. In their less idealistic moments, some Kashmiris fear what independence would look like. I once asked Farooq Abdullah why he was not more supportive of those Kashmiri youths who refused to give up on their commitment to Kashmiri self-determination. With a sense of world-weary resignation he outlined his perspective, sitting in Srinigar. Kashmir, he explained, was a small landlocked country surrounded by three nuclear powers; it was impossible to go it alone.

The economic disparity between India and Pakistan is also important. Most Western governments crave access to the Indian market. The more the Indian economy powers ahead, the more acute the craving. If Pakistan’s 200 million consumers had the wealth to buy significant amounts of Western goods then the country’s diplomats would find it easier to get heard. Perhaps understandably, given the number of short-term crises it has faced, the Pakistani military has never understood that the advancement of Pakistan’s national interests lies as much in reforming the economy as it does in securing big defence budgets. Pakistan’s projection of power on the world stage depends not so much on its stock of guns as on the excellence of its schools and the ability to produce citizens who can generate economic growth.

The Kashmiris face yet another problem. Independence movements associated with violent jihadism run counter to the post 9/11 policy of the great powers — Russia included — to resist Islamic extremism wherever they see it. Back in the late 1980s when the Kashmiri insurgency began, it was led by the predominately nationalist JKLF. Be­cause the latter was committed to Kashmiri inde­pendence rather than union with Pakis­tan, the security establishment decided to switch its support to a group with more pro-Pakistan sentiment and which it could more easily control: Hizbul Mujahideen. While the move made sense to those pro­moting the interests of the Pakistan state, it has coloured the Kashmiri movement ever since. And few in the inter­national com­m­u­nity are going to be very enthu­siastic about transferring power from the secular Indian government to local politicians in Kashmir who may, at some stage, be unable to resist the jihadists in their midst.

In the weeks after 9/11, when the US needed Pakistan’s support, Islamabad’s generals and diplomats were successful in deftly managing to decouple Kashmir from the rest of the so-called war on terror. Despite occasionally going off script — Donald Rumsfeld, for example, said in 2002 that Al Qaeda was training in Kashmir — US officials took great care to avoid describing the Kashmiri struggle as part of the same phenomenon they were combating in Afghanistan, northwest Pakistan, the Middle East and North Africa. But even if the Kashmiri movement has never been directly in the Pentagon’s sights, it is quite another thing to expect Western capitals to back a movement that uses jihad to fire up some of its supporters. And to those who indignantly argue that it is exactly what the US did when it paid the mujahideen to expel the Soviets from Afghanistan comes the obvious riposte: once bitten, twice shy.

The writer is a British journalist and author of Pakistan: Eye of the Storm.

Published in Dawn October6th, 2016

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Postby JE Menon » 11 Oct 2016 00:52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhiXbwPKN9Y

Must watch, long video on the history of Kashmir - a 2-hour plus lesson on J&K by Sushil Pandit.

Every single person on BRF MUST WATCH.

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Postby ShauryaT » 11 Oct 2016 20:00

JE Menon: Thanks for the link. Wish I had it a few months back, when I was sparring with some folks on FB, due to down period on BRF.

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Postby sanjaykumar » 12 Oct 2016 09:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq7B3G2HKVo

A fairly good cross-section of KM opinion, some valid points raised. But how one can state that Kashmir was never a part of India is beyond stupid. It disqualifies the person as anything more than a stone thrower. Is this what JNU and Jamia Milia teach?

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Postby Dipanker » 13 Oct 2016 08:38

"Kashmir has never been part of India" is Kashmiri islamic narrative/propaganda. Unfortunately there has not been any concerted effort on the part of Indian govts. to counter such narratives/propaganda other than the somewhat infrequent pronouncements of "atoot ang". More needs to said and much more frequently. We have a dedicated ministry for Information and Broadcasting, we should use it. Let them know our POV that we consider Kashmir as civilizational part of India for over 5,000 years and thus inseparable from India. Repeat this frequently. Not only it would have a demoralizing effect on the separatists/islamists but also help strengthen the resolve among Indians.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 13 Oct 2016 09:52

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/police-of ... tails-pak/

Police officer suspended for sharing deployment details with Pak- what I find surprising is that such sensitive data is shared on whatsapp. surely they have other mechanisms to share information. and caller ID on land line discloses the originating source. I find this strange
A police officer responsible for deploying contingents of police and paramilitary personnel in Srinagar to maintain law and order has been suspended for sharing deployment details with Pakistan.
Sources said that Inspector Tanveer Ahmad, who was posted as Incharge Deputy Superintendent of Police (DySP) at Armed Police Control Room (APCR) Srinagar was suspended after officials at Union Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) traced a call from Pakistan to his office in Srinagar.
Sources said that 23 days back, the officer received a call on the landline telephone at his office. The caller identified himself as Army Commander and sought deployment details of police and para-military forces in Srinagar.
The officer sought clearance from SP who gave his consent for sharing the information. After the consent of SP, the officer shared the deployment details including the number of men, companies and the areas where they are deployed.
The officer provided the details through mobile messenger application, Whatsapp. The Ministry of Home Affairs traced the call and started a probe. The MHA informed the Director General of Police (DGP) K Rajendra, who took the serious note of the matter, and ordered a probe.
Director General of Police (DGP), when contacted, told Excelsior: “Yes, the officer has been suspended and probe ordered to ascertain the facts. However, it seems the case of negligence but the probe is on,” said the DGP. He added that officers were already alerted about such calls.
Police and other officers dealing with law and order and counter-militancy in Kashmir are receiving calls from Pakistan for past few years. The callers introduce themselves as officers of other security agencies and seek various details. However, normally officers ask them to come through proper channel but in this case, sources said that the officer has shared the details unintentionally without knowing that the caller is from Pakistan.

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Postby brvarsh » 13 Oct 2016 10:05

@Dipankar - Why does India have to counter the separatist narrative that Kashmir was never part of India? Not responding is the biggest response. If tomorrow someone says Bihar was not then would we not laugh it loud instead?

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Postby svenkat » 13 Oct 2016 10:08

Address the ‘new normal’ in Kashmir

India has won the battle against militants and terror outfits from Pakistan. But it now confronts a far graver problem of winning over the youth of Kashmir

Generals are, perhaps, not the only ones who fight today’s battles based on the ideas, tactics and lessons derived from previous wars. As Jammu and Kashmir confronts one of its gravest crises, a similar syndrome is playing out in Delhi and Srinagar. All shades of political leaders, strategic analysts, intelligence professionals, and almost everyone else seem to have reached a common conclusion that Kashmir’s present troubles are due solely to Pakistan and India’s mismanagement of the situation. History will not, however, spare those who do not make a distinction between current realities and past situations.

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Hackneyed arguments to explain the current upsurge in Kashmir can prove counterproductive. The Burhan Wani phenomenon will not go away by sympathetic references to the accumulated animosities and suspicions of Kashmiri youth against atrocities perpetrated by the security forces, or by attributing the situation to Delhi’s lack of understanding of the Kashmiri Weltanschauung. It must not also be mistakenly attributed to a new generation of youth from the educated classes exploiting the social media seeking ‘freedom from India’. The basic causes are much deeper. The presence of over 200,000 people at Wani’s funeral needs a satisfactory explanation.

To try to retrieve this situation, it is necessary to recognise that, in marked contrast to earlier phases of trouble in Kashmir, the present movement is almost entirely home grown. The spontaneity of many ‘mini-uprisings’ demands a different explanation from earlier ones, for it smacks of near total alienation of an entire generation of young Kashmiris angry with the present state of affairs. Many are even willing to commit suicide to vent their anger.

Simply repeating phrases like ‘Insaniyat, Kashmiriyat and Jamhooriat’, or reiterating our commitment to Article 370 of the Constitution, removal of the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act (AFSPA), or provision of additional doses of development assistance, will not resonate with the current generation of agitators. Suggestions and ideas thrown up in the course of meetings of the Round Tables, Working Groups, and Group of Interlocutors (2007-2011) will likewise meet with little response (even though had they been acted upon at the time, the present situation might not have occurred). Talking to separatist leaders may make good copy, but they are irrelevant in today’s context, and out of sync with the younger generations now in revolt.

A most frightening prospect

This is turning into a battle for the minds of the Kashmiri youth. Using force of the kind employed against the Lashkar, Jaish and Hizbul against today’s 10 and 12-year-old schoolchildren would only inflame passions further. India has decisively won the battle against the foreign-based militants and terror outfits from Pakistan, but it now confronts a far graver problem of winning over the youth of Kashmir before an entire generation gets detached from India, a most frightening prospect.

Chief Minister Mehbooba Mufti and her current advisers are hardly in a position, or possess the necessary intellectual or political acumen, to deal with what is taking place. Delhi, for its part, also does not appear better positioned to appreciate and deal with the kind of seismic shift occurring beneath the surface in Kashmir. Hence, it may be necessary to seek assistance from social scientists and psychologists :rotfl: , apart from strategic thinkers and political leaders, to come up with some fresh ideas on how to retrieve the situation.

M.K. Narayanan is a former National Security Adviser and former Governor of West Bengal.



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Postby Dipanker » 13 Oct 2016 10:43

brvarsh wrote:@Dipankar - Why does India have to counter the separatist narrative that Kashmir was never part of India? Not responding is the biggest response. If tomorrow someone says Bihar was not then would we not laugh it loud instead?


I am not saying we should indulge in any tit for tat response to separatists. I am saying we should do our part regardless, as per our own calendar.

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Postby GShankar » 13 Oct 2016 10:55

The right response is 3 parts - remove 370, get rest of PoK and CoK

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby dsreedhar » 14 Oct 2016 04:48

That was a good history lesson by Sushil Pandit. We need several more pandits talking and taking up their cause.

@ brvarsh - The situation has come to this point only because the saner people did not counter the separatist narrative and ignored them. A lie told thousand times without any counter becomes the truth. The younger gen has no idea. The history has been slowly changed under our noses by marxists/commies. I have heard from commie friends that Kashmir never part of India and it was all a bunch of kingdoms and all that propaganda.

On the international forums in UK, US, canada I mostly hear only Pak and Kashmir muslim pov. Where are the Kashmir pandits and hindus?? At least now they need to stand up and start spreading their message at every place and forum. The genocide on them (7) since the 1300s as recent as 1990. We need very knowledgeable and sophisticated speakers. The western world is now reeling under the menace of islamic state. They can connect and understand now. This is the most opportune time ever.

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Postby Prem » 14 Oct 2016 07:38

Senior Jammu and Kashmir cop gave Pakistan information, suspended
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 841126.cms

SRINAGAR: The Jammu & Kashmir police suspended a deputy superintendent on Thursday for passing on sensitive information about security deployment to Pakistani intelligence agencies during the ongoing unrest in the Kashmir Valley.
J&K DGP K Rajendra Kumar placed the erring officer under suspension and initiated a probe after getting inputs from the ministry of home affairs about the frequent contact of DSP, armed police control room, Tanveer Ahmad, on telephone with Pakistani agents across the border. The DGP said that it looked like a case of negligence.According to Tanveer Ahmad, he received a call at the control room phone a month ago from an person identifying himself as an Army commander. The caller wanted him to share the details of the deployment of police and para-military forces at various places in the Valley. "Before sharing the details, I sought permission from my SP," he said.The DSP, according to sources, shared the details using WhatsApp. However, the MHA traced the call and investigated the details. The MHA then informed the DGP, who ordered a probe a fortnight ago.
Intelligence sources said police officers dealing with anti-insurgency in Kashmir have been receiving calls from Pakistan for the last few years. The callers generally introduce themselves as officers of other security agencies and seek details of deployment of the forces.However, police officers on duty normally refuse and ask the callers to come through proper official channels.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby sunnyP » 14 Oct 2016 22:13

Srinagar: SSB jawan killed, 8 other personnel injured in terror attack at CRPF camp in Zakura


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/indianexpr ... ent=safari

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Postby pralay » 16 Oct 2016 21:31

Recently, I came across a group of friends(mostly unware of geo-politics) who were saying the main reason behind reduction in J&K violence was because of Manmohan Sing Govt's policy(peace and track thu) and it was becoming quiet difficult to make them understand that the mms policy didnt make much difference (and the turning point was really the year 2001).

To make them understand about the geo-political factors behind reduction in j&K violence, I prepared a map of fatalities in J&K and Punjab since 1980(with data obtained from satp.org), and put some important events on the graph.

I am attaching the graph here, hoping it may help some of the birathers. Gurus, please let me know if i have missed some events or if they want to add any more.The original interactive graph is at https://plot.ly/~sameeershelavale/5/

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Please note the text on above image is a bit garbled but on the link it works fine.

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Postby Rahul M » 16 Oct 2016 21:52

excellent work. will go into details later.

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Postby deejay » 16 Oct 2016 22:29

^^^ Great work Pralay ji.

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Postby Kashi » 17 Oct 2016 05:48

Thanks very much Pralay Ji..Do you think it would be useful to add some references to Lal Masjid drama and TTP insurgency?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby K Mehta » 17 Oct 2016 08:26

Pralay that is brilliant. One suggestion is to put numbers on the graph and then put event corresponding to the number on the side of the graph. With the exception of Soviet withdrawal and 9/11 remove the text from the graph. Also make the scale of funding more visible

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby IndraD » 18 Oct 2016 23:22

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... s?from=mdr

Chinese flags recovered from terror hideouts in J&K's Baramulla; 44 people arrested

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby tsarkar » 19 Oct 2016 02:13

dsreedhar wrote:Just curious what is the typical family size (num of kids) in Kashmir valley?

jamwal wrote:Almostnever smaller than 2. 4 kids is common

That is the root of the problem. And when these 12 year olds become 21 year olds, the problem magnifies.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Prem » 20 Oct 2016 01:45

http://www.financialexpress.com/india-n ... ms/424142/
Much of the problems in Jammu and Kashmir these days are because of Indian authorities’ inability to establish a permanent connect with the people of the state, even as several decades have passed since independence. This is also true for several other parts of the country.
It is always the responsibility of the state to remain connected and look after the people. Behaving elite or just wielding guns for years may make if not all then at least some people hostile against the state.In Kashmir, truth is that some people do not feel connected with the Indian state in the same way as the rest of the country. In their hatred against India, they are aided and provoked by Pakistan.Successive governments and public officials over the years, both at the Centre and in the state, are partly responsible for the current situation in Kashmir.As the Centre and state governments struggle to find out a solution to the ongoing unrest in the state, here is a Chinese lesson India must try.Dominated by Muslims, China’s Xinjiang province is considered to be a disturbed region. Several news reports in past have shown the minorities living in the region are systematically suppressed by the country to control and prevent them from becoming militants.It has now been reported that the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region has asked its 1,10,000 government officials to build “family-like ties” with ethnic minorities to promote “national unity and accord”. A meeting in this regard was held on Sunday in which the officials were asked to build a one-to-one relationship with people in four prefectures — Kashgar, Hotan, Aksu and Kizilsu Kirgiz in southern Xinjiang, a report in the Chinese state media, Global Time says.It was said in the meeting that the government officials and families should visit each other every two months to build a “close bond, learning from each other’s language, experiences and customs, as well as seeking common ground while preserving differences”.The report said that one of the officials visited a family with a bag full of gifts and he was welcomed with big hugs and local food.India must also try such initiative in the unrest-hit Kashmir and also some other parts of the country soon.


( Author do not known the inherent nature of Jihadi)

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Prem » 24 Oct 2016 07:30

Shot in the arm for Modi government as OIC paper says no to Kashmir
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

NEW DELHI: The Tashkent Declaration of Organisation of the Islamic Cooperation (OIC) Foreign Ministers’ meet (Oct 18-19) has no mention of the Kashmir issue even as it touches upon situations in North Africa, West Asia and Afghanistan, a development that could be a shot in the arm for the Modi government even as it tries to build a global narrative on Pakistansponsored terror. This OIC Declaration is significant compared to the last four where Jammu & Kashmir had found mention, and therefore signals a shift in stance. The Declaration of the recently concluded meet, in fact, encourages narratives by the body to counter radicals and extremists globally. In what’s being viewed as a significant move, the declaration of the two-day meet has no reference on Kashmir even as Pakistan highlighted the “situation in J&K” on the occasion. The declaration, however, refers to the rights of Palestinians as well as the situation in Afghanistan. “We reiterate our full support for Palestine and Al-Quds Al-Shareef, the legitimate and inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, including the right to self-determination and return to their ancestral places of residence,” reads the declaration. With reference to violence in North Africa and West Asia, the OIC further noted, “We underline the need for earliest stabilisation of the situation in the Middle East and North Africa and other parts of the continent by way of urgent po ..
The OIC came down heavily on terrorism. “We reiterate that the struggle against terrorism and violent extremism in all forms and their manifestations…We are convinced that these dangerous phenomena can be defeated and eliminated only through a joint action, elaborating the measures of influence both to the symptoms and the roots of these problems. We appreciate the launch of an OIC Messaging Centre to counter the sham narratives of radical and extremist groups. We are continuing to advocate for for further close cooperation in the fight against terrorism, spread of extremist ideology, especially among youth.” It may be recalled that since July, India has reached out to key OIC states individually through visits by Vice-President, senior MEA officials and India’s diplomatic missions in the respective countries. Certain OIC member states have even supported India’s stand on Kashmir and Pakistan on an individual basis. ET had reported that Indonesia, home to world’s largest Muslim population, has reservations on the strongly-worded condemnation against India on the Kashmir issue. Key OIC member UAE supported a strong response by India post Uri and members --Bangladesh and Afghanistan supported cross LoC surgical strikes.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 24 Oct 2016 08:42

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/exit-abdu ... irman-mao/
Exit Abdul Wahhab enter Chairman Mao

Three articles which I published in DE during past three months did not evoke any curiosity among the readers about my assertion that India was actually fighting China in Kashmir. I have no regrets if policy planners took no cognizance of what was hinted at.
In Kashmir today, discourse has changed from Abdul Wahhab to Mao tse Tung. Subjective observers who call the shift spasmodic but those who managed to deposit Chinese flags, literature, arms and ammunition in a hideout in Baramulla and then displaced the flags at about half a dozen places have a method in madness.
Flags of various terrorist outfits have been raised in different parts of the valley in recent past. These are besides those of Pakistan and ISIS. Now more recently Chinese flags have begun to decorate Friday congregations in the valley.
Unfurling of Chinese flags at a time when President Xi of China was in Goa attending the BRICS summit is not without significance. A day after Modi called Pakistan the mother ship of terrorism Chinese foreign office spokesman said in Beijing that China does not associate terrorism with any religion or county. Dawn reported that President Xi had praised Pakistan for her historic role in combating terrorism.
Earlier at the Security Council, China had once again scuttled India’s resolution of SC designating JeM and its supremo as terrorist. Commentators saw only the China-India logjam in this affair but its reverberations travelled far and wide in the Himalayan region. It was a clear indication that China had interest in keeping the Kashmir pot boiling.
In the aftermath of India’s surgical strike, while western powers directly or indirectly conceded India’s right to defend sovereignty against perceived threats, Beijing desisted from making any comment, thereby leaving India in a state of suspended disbelief.
Soon after Beijing made public the 46-billion dollar CPEC project, and international media began discussing its strategic features, Pakistan policy planners and intelligence sleuths began examining possible outreach of the project how it could be made contributive to Pakistan’s Kashmir agenda. The opinion converged on sensitizing Kashmirian capriciousness to become more receptive to Chinese outreach rather than embark on physical intrusion in a geographically difficult region.
Earlier, Jamaat-i-Islami handlers in Kashmir, after consultations with intelligence sleuths at GHQ experimented with the option of hoisting ISIS flag in parts of Srinagar downtown in a bid to exacerbate valley turmoil and weaken the state government.
However, quick rejection of ISIS flags by both factions of Hurriyat and some leading social figures of Kashmiri civil society unhinged the plan.
It happened despite Pakistan’s desire that Kashmiri operatives continue the music. The reason why ISIS flags were withdrawn and propagation of Caliphate theory curbed in the valley, and the Hurriyatis forced to express its undesirability was that Saudi state policy was to stifle the ISIS upsurge as dangerous challenge to the monarchy and its influence in the Islamic world.
It has to be noted that there is a sizable Kashmiri Sunni Muslim Diaspora in Saudi Arabia which has succeeded in creating powerful clout in the monarchical state where the narrative of Kashmir liberation struggle is steadily pushed into political and official circles. This Diaspora contributes lavishly to sedition in Kashmir. It is through this channel that Saudi disapproval of brandishing ISIS flags and ideology was conveyed to Kashmir seditionists with clear instruction to underplay the show.
In waving Chinese flag no such constraint is going to withhold Kashmir seditionists and traitors from giving vent to their choler. But for Saudi opposition, ISIS proposition had some rationale with fanatical segments in Kashmir. Conversely, pandering to Chinese flags does not have any rationale except that of expecting China to down India in the big Asian game of rivalry and thus gloat over the success of the enemy of the enemy.
In keeping true to the tradition of inviting a foreign power to rule over them, Kashmiris are pandering from Wahhabism to Maoism after feeling elated that China is a friend of Pakistan. A number of questions have remained unanswered so far. Pakistan, the Islamic Republic has developed closest relations with an atheist State and is proud of having brought about convergence of ideas.
Convergence of ideas between a puritanical Islamic State of Pakistan with atheist China, which does not believe in the existence of God nor his Prophet nor the revealed book nor the hadith is contradiction in terms. What happens to the Quranic injunction that enjoins upon the pure (momin) to wipe out heresy (kufr) from the surface of the earth and replace it with Islamic faith and tradition? If kufr is not what we find in China what then its precise definition is?
The Chinese flags that were hoisted after Friday prayer in Baramulla Idgah bore the inscription “Welcome China, we are waiting for you”. For seventy long years, Kashmiris have been waiting for Pakistan. Pakistan did not come but it did send destruction and decimation to visit the receptive arms of Kashmiris. After carrying forward the agenda of Pakistan for a decade and more beginning with sedition in 1990, Kashmiris found that Pakistan was in no position to meet their aspirations of wriggling out of the hands of India. They pandered to Wahhabism hoping that Abdul Wahhab’s teachings would deliver them from the “oppression of India”.
Under Wahhabism, apart from using the gun as the means of deliverance,— it came at no cost from Pakistan — Kashmiris, in imitation of the followers of Abdul Wahhab thousands of miles away in Saudi Arabia, changed their entire narrative. They changed their thought process, their life style, their tradition, their societal relationship, their “Kashmiriyat” and their vision of what they want to become. Instead of spending the winter months in Jammu as appendix to Durbar move functionaries, affluent and creamy section of Kashmir Muslim elders and seniors started visiting Saudi and the Gulf states where their wards and kith and kin are awash with Dollars and Euros. To please their Arab hosts, friends and ordinary visitors, they imitated them in letter and in spirit hoping that back home they would pass as very deducted and passionate Arabicized Kashmiri Muslims and an ideal for the community.
Entire exercise was to replace centuries old Iranian culture by Arab culture in Kashmir in the hope that Arab world would own them more as “India oppressed Kashmiris” than ardent Muslims adhering to Sunni school of thought. However, baffled by scant political support from the Arab world and the Gulf countries, Kashmiris soon began to feel disappointed with their Arbabicization, Wahhabization and Salafization experiments.
The OIC did nothing more than lip service. The final disillusionment with Wahhabism/ Salafism/Caliphate-ism came when Prime Minister Modi, during his jaunts to Saudi Arabia and Gulf countries blasted the bottom of the myth of Wahhabis and Jamaatis intending to the support of Kashmiri seditionists.
It is in this background that now Kashmiris expect the atheist China to do for them what their co-religionists, the Pakistanis, Arabs, OIC and even the US could not do for last seven decades. Now the mullahs imported from UP and Bihar, manning the congregational prayers in the mosques in the valley will begin distributing copies of Chairman Mao’s Red Book among the mosque going people which begins not with the prayer that “there is no god but God” but with the prayer “there is no god but Mao tse Tung”.
And lastly, readying to be the clients of China, what will be the nature of relationship of Kashmiris with Pakistan. What will happen to the shah-rag slogan of Pakistan and how will Islamic world, especially the OIC interpret it?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 24 Oct 2016 11:51

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... ft-target/
How can Burhan Wani be called a ‘soft target’
am shocked and appalled by the video clip I was sent today where Sagarika Ghosh is seen speaking about the Kashmir disturbance in front of an American audience and is heard calling Burhan Wani a soft target brutally killed by the Indian Army! Burhan Wani would have been considered a deadly terrorist even by American standards and would have got the same treatment when found by the US. I know this as I have lived and worked as a journalist in the US for a decade. The facts, which any veteran journalist like Sagarika should know is that Burhan Wani was a commander of the Kashmir-based Ḥizb al-Mujāhidin (HaM). He was involved in killings of elected Panchayat leaders. His Facebook photographs showed him proudly displaying a machine gun and dressed in army-like fatigues along with his friends. He stood with all the accouterments of warfare with his buddies thumbing a nose at the Indian state and a democratically elected government. Like the ISIS he was good with social media and attracted many young Kashmiri’s on Facebook.
But the fact remains, he belonged to a deadly organization. According to Wikipedia the Ḥizb al-Mujāhidin, meaning “Party of Holy Warriors” or “Party of  Mujahedeen”, founded by Muhammad Ahsan Dar in September 1989, is a Kashmiri separatist group.
It is designated a terrorist organization by  India, the  European Union  and the  United States, active in Jammu and Kashmir  since 1989. The current supreme commander of the group is Sayeed Salahudeen. Recently he is supposed to have said that Indian should be nuked so Pakistan can get Kashmir. wonder why would anyone call him a soft target?
In addition, she says, his killing was a test case for yet another brutality by the Indian Forces.
What does she mean by yet another? The Indian Army is not involved in the civilian day to day policing of Kashmir but are on the borders to prevent a hostile neighbour from attacking India and preventing militants crossing over.The “HaM” holds a pro-Pakistan Ideology and was also involved in the ethnic cleansing of 500,000, Kashmiri Pandits during the years that militancy peaked in the valley from 1989 to early 1990s. This is vividly described in a book written by several Kashmiri Pandit families that have been displaced. A Long Dream of Home, The Persecution, Exodus and Exile of Kashmiri Pandits, is a chilling account of how 500,000 Indians were made to leave their home in a period of a few short months.
Kashi Nath Pandita writes that first slogans were shouted in all neighbourhoods:
“Kashmir has become Pakistan and We want our Kashmir: without Pandits, but with their women. Then the mobs roamed around stone-pelting their homes. Suddenly, their Muslim friends stopped talking to them.
At night the loudspeakers blared from mosques asking all Pandits to leave the valley or get killed. Then he describes the blatant threats:
Al Safa, the Urdu newspaper of Srinagar, published the first ultimatum issued by a militant organization. The headline read: Pandits should leave Kashmir in 36 hours. One by one, the Pandits shut their shops in Amira Kadal and other places in the city. Then the most dreadful and awful incidents began to take place. Each day a Pandit was shot down by a militant. Lassa Kaul, the Director Doordarshan was gunned down outside his house…Rattan Lal Kaul, Deputy Director of Food and Supplies was also killed in his office…Bhushan Lal Razdhan, my next door neighbour was gunned down in his home because he happened to be the stenographer of the Governor. I came to know that his assailants were hiding in the balcony of the house of a Muslim, just opposite his house and were closely watching his movements.
Then the Pandits started to leave.”
Lawyers, doctors and people who represented the Pandits were viciously targeted and paid with their lives.
To think this happened in India under the nose of the central and state government is shocking. Why did they let this happen? Where was the security? Why wasn’t the media there to highlight it? And why have the Pandits languished for 26 years in displaced peoples’ camps?
Where was Sagarika Ghosh — should she not bring up the facts of how terrorist organizations backed by Pakistan drove out 500,000 innocent Kashmiris in 1989 and the early 1990s by scare tactics and there was no Indian Army there to protect them? Why does she not speak of the whole issue as a journalist should?
The situation today, is foreboding and for once, the government has brought up Pakistan’s human rights abuses and killings in Baluchistan and Gilgit. The world already knows that Pakistan exports terror but now India has enough clout to tell the world what Pakistan does within its own borders.
Taslima Nasreen, the Bangladeshi writer said as much in a recent interview with TOI said about Indians: “I’ve noticed that liberals and leftists are generally very critical of Hindu fanaticism – but not of Islamic fanaticism. Islamic fanatics are against human rights, women’s rights, free speech and democracy. Islamic fanatics are against everything Indian liberals stand for but liberals strangely sympathize with them. They have a distorted the concept of secularism.”
This, in a nutshell, is why Kashmir is the mess it is today because even the liberal media reports the issues in a biased way. Giving Pakistan a handle to justify its terrorism.
It is easy to forget about the victims of 26/11 for journalists who were not gunned down by Kasab and his companions. They were not present either when Maoist killed 70  jawans. Nor have they ever spent months on the Siachen glacier protecting our country. Nor are they in any way related to the policemen and CRPF  jawans  who died fighting terrorists in Parliament attack. For that matter, these journalists are not even involved with protecting our borders where militants kill soldiers on a daily basis. So as an Army brat, I wonder how they can dare to comment on the Indian army. I just wonder how they would feel if death stalked them daily in the forests between Pakistan and India?I wonder if they have heard of the Patriot Act in the US. Are they living in some cuckoo land even after 9/11 and 26/11? Do they not know that if you say anything like what they have said about Burhan Wani, about the 9/11 terrorists, they would be put away without much fuss—and no newspaper or TV channel would dare to say one thing in their favour much less say and write on how innocent the young men were. Terrorists are not soft targets! They may look young and innocent to you but when you face their bullets, I can assure you, you will feel differently.
I wonder if they have heard of the Patriot Act in the US. Are they living in some cuckoo land even after 9/11 and 26/11? Do they not know that if you say anything like what they have said about Burhan Wani, about the 9/11 terrorists, they would be put away without much fuss—and no newspaper or TV channel would dare to say one thing in their favour much less say and write on how innocent the young men were. Terrorists are not soft targets! They may look young and innocent to you but when you face their bullets, I can assure you, you will feel differently.
In addition, some journalists fight for the rights of students who hold a rally to say:
-‘Tum kitne Afzal maroge, ghar-ghar se Afzal niklenge’
-‘Pakistan zindabad’
-‘Kashmir maange azaadi, ladkar lenge azaadi’
-‘Kashmir ki azaadi tak, jung rahegi-jung rahegi’
-‘Bharat ki barbaadi tak, jung rahegi-jung rahegi’
-‘Afzak ki hatya nahi sahenge’
I find the lines above very scary and extremely worrying for our security. It takes very little to turn one person into a terrorist. It does not even need brainwashing but just a belief that the state is wrong and should suffer the consequences. Go through Kasab’s interrogation, he did it for money! He did not even hate India. He did not study in a Tony university rallying up people against India. He was just a very poor kid who got recruited by the LeT and once he got in he realized he could not get out. He knew too much.
Thus, whichever way you see, it Burhan Wani belonged to a terrorist group that wanted Kashmir to be a part of Pakistan and was helped by the Pakistani ISI.
The drama, with the help of Pakistan, playing out in the streets of the valley is dangerous and not political by any means. It is as dangerous as the bombings and terror attacks in Turkey, Paris, Nice and Brussels and good journalists will realize this and not try to excite foreign attention by calling Burhan Wani a soft target and the Indian Forces brutal. But then some journalists want their fifteen minutes of fame and will say anything to get it!

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Prem » 26 Oct 2016 23:14

http://thewire.in/76079/public-first-ti ... ion-india/
Sourced from the National Archives of India, The Wire presents a key document from India’s modern history

Through this article in The Wire, I can confirm that the J&K IoA exists for real, is safe and well preserved in the collection of the National Archives.I have elected to place in the public domain a copy of the J&K IoA obtained legitimately from the National Archives for the purpose of facilitating informed debate amongst those interested in the subject.I have also placed copies of the IoAs of Mysore, Manipur, Tehri Garhwal and Udaipur obtained by me from the National Archives in the public domain so that readers may compare them with the J&K IoA for ascertaining its genuineness.[8]First, like several other IoAs, the document signed by the Maharaja of J&K is in two parts. The first three pages contain the text of the terms of the accession- this is the IoA proper. Page 2 of the document bears the signature of Maharaja Hari Singh and the acceptance of the instrument signed by Lord Mountbatten. Page 3 contains the list of subjects on which the Dominion Legislature’s powers to make laws applicable to J&K were accepted by the Maharaja by virtue of this accession instrument. Pages 4 and 5 contain the standstill agreement between J&K and the Dominion of India, as it was called in 1947 before India became a republic. IoAs signed by the several other princely States contain a standstill agreement between them and the Dominion of India as annexures.[9] In the case of Mysore, the standstill agreement was signed by the dewan (prime minister) of Mysore, in the case of Manipur, it was signed by the private secretary to the maharaja, in the case of Tehri Garhwal it was signed by the chief secretary of the state and in the case of Udaipur it was signed by the then acting prime minister.The J&K standstill agreement, however, was signed by Maharaja Hari Singh himself and for good reason. All writers commenting on the events leading to the accession of J&K to the Indian Dominion are unanimous on one fact, i.e., the then prime minister of J&K, Justice M. C. Mahajan[15] was in New Delhi on October 26 – the date on which Maharaja Hari Singh is said to have signed the IoA. So there was probably no authority other than the Maharaja in Kashmir who could sign the standstill agreement. In all five cases, the standstill agreements were signed by Shri V. P. Menon on behalf of the Dominion of India.
Readers may ask, what about the letter that Maharaja Hari Singh is purported to have sent to Lord Mountbatten along with the signed IoA and the reply the latter sent back to the maharaja. Those documents, whose existence is not in doubt, thankfully, are not included in the file containing the IoA and the standstill agreement. They seem to remain in the custody of the Union home ministry. The text of this correspondence is published in a document published by the Political Branch of the Ministry of States.[16]Some writers have commented on the overwriting visible in the J&K IoA to argue that it is not a genuine document.[17] This issue can be explained by the fact that a common template was used for the purpose of the IoAs. The printed stationery mentioned the month of August, leaving a blank space for filling up the exact date of accession at the time of signature by each Ruler. While a large number of Rulers signed their respective IoAs in August itself, Maharaja Hari Singh signed it in October when his hands were forced by the invasion from across the State’s borders. This explains the striking out of “August” to insert “October” in the IoA.
Making such minor technicalities as the basis to contest the authenticity of the J&K IoA may not help advance the debate much because overwriting is seen in at least one other IoA whose copy I was able to obtain form the National Archives. For example, in the Mysore IoA, the date of acceptance was initially mentioned as the “ninth” day of August in black ink. Lord Mountbatten seems to have put in the correct date, namely, the “sixteenth” while appending his signature. The correction is made in green ink – the same colour he used for signing his acceptance of every IoA that I have looked at. Further, in the case of the standstill agreement with Mysore, the dewan signed on the portion which was reserved for the signature of the Secretary of the States Department of the Dominion. So the designation of V. P. Menon had to be typed up manually at the bottom of this document.
While the title of the rulers of Manipur and Udaipur were type-written on the IoAs, those of their counterparts in the case of the IoAs of Mysore, Tehri Garhwal were hand written. Should this discrepancy then be used to dispute the validity of the accession of any of these princely States to the Dominion?Interestingly, while the IoAs and the standstill agreements in the case of Mysore, Manipur, Tehri Garhwal and Udaipur indicate that they were drawn up in the names of the rulers of those states and the Dominion of India, in the case of J&K, both documents are drawn up in the name of the Jammu and Kashmir State.[18] Should this curious titling be taken to imply that the residents of J&K had consented to the accession, when they were not even consulted on this matter? Such nitpicking does not help informed debate on the subject. Given the trying circumstances in 1947 and the sheer number of documents that had to be signed from across the country, such discrepancies are highly likely to occur, especially in a newly created department that was short staffed and had set a near impossible deadline for itself to secure the integration of India.Every one of the 140 princely states that signed IoAs with the Dominion of India agreed to the same terms and conditions as J&K. All these rulers also initially acceded to the Dominion limited to the same three subjects. The remaining powers were retained by them just as the maharaja of J&K had sought to do. However, eventually some of them signed instruments of merger, to form larger administrative units such as the Matsya Union, Vindhya Pradesh, PEPSU, Travancore and Cochin etc. and finally accepted the scheme of administration laid down by the new Constitution. The then yuvaraj of J&Km who exercised all powers delegated to him by the Maharaja, issued a proclamation on November 25, 1949 stating that the soon-to-be-adopted Constitution of India would govern the relations between J&K and the Union only to such extent as its provisions would apply to J&K. Article 309 – which would later become Article 370 – laid down the terms and conditions of this relationship. Interestingly, the provisions under Article 370 were intended to be transitional and temporary in nature. Menon’s tome contains a detailed account of these developments. Subsequently, Noorani[19] and others have extensively dwelt upon the manner in which the protection provided by Article 370 was eroded from the very beginning. I do not intend to go into those matters in this brief article


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