J&K News and Discussion - 2016

wig · Post by **wig** » 30 Jul 2019 14:55

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 442541.cms

The party brass has underlined that the issue of scrapping Article 35-A or Article 370 is not on the agenda.

disappointing

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 30 Jul 2019 15:59

Quite an interesting thread if true https://twitter.com/rahulpandita/status ... 21024?s=19
Govt pandering to separatists in similar fashion to what it did with the PDP.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 30 Jul 2019 16:58

Vivek K wrote:Agree with Arjun. Jammu and Ladakh should be separated from Kashmir which itself should be put under President’s rule till such time that Kashmiri Pandits feel safe in returning home.

vivek ji dont you think we have waited enough to have a safe environment?
The kashmiris hindus i grew up in school with are either in Indian military serving their motherland (actually 5-10)
or are in different cities of india where most of urban crowd lives. I doubt any of them are going back.

My take is that this land has to be gifted to a combination of enterprising/aggressive people (or a combo of both) and nuisance folks in India. Retired/VRS folks from Army especially sikhs and jats come to my mind for enterprise and aggression. I would also put UP and bihar folks, esp those who create nuisance for the localites and keep them occupied in petty battles while we focus on other aspects of the business war.

The first step has to be muscle ..serious business will come later, a decade if not a generation later...

we have let this cesspool continue for too long by being dharmic..nothing wrong by that..but now IMHO, all peaceful options had been exhausted (for me that happened in in 2008, after that i will never ever trust pakistan as a nation). If any of us trusts them then we are the fools not them. Not an inch to be given on ground or in negotiations...never ever...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Jul 2019 03:44

Folks how about following hte news and not go off on khyali pullao?

Things are getting hotter and more troops might be sent to Kashmir.
There is firing along LOC near the Neelam Valley too.
Infiltration bid near Gurez.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 31 Jul 2019 11:22

There is blackout and no reports of it in MSM.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 31 Jul 2019 12:40

ArjunPandit Ji is right. Most of the Kashmiri Pandits from new generation will not go back. Older gen probably yes.
Heck even I would not go back even though I can comfortable work from home forever except maybe own a property in Kashmir for emotional and patriotic reason. The valley no longer has any emotional vibes for me and folks of my generation.

Going back anyways means nothing if there are no economic opportunities or hope for a better future.
Anyways the absolute number of KP's is so low that even if 100% of them move back to Kashmir, it would hardly dent the muscle of KM's and Jehadis.
Add to the misery is the bias, mistrust, anger and downright resentment for being killed/raped/pushed out of their homes with threats, Relationship between KP's and KM's will never get normal in next1-2 generations.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Aug 2019 01:08

mmasand wrote:Quite an interesting thread if true https://twitter.com/rahulpandita/status ... 21024?s=19
Govt pandering to separatists in similar fashion to what it did with the PDP.

And where is PDP now?
Mehbooba Didi is confined to Twitter!
And fighting with Omar Abdullah!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Aug 2019 01:09

Aditya_V wrote:There is blackout and no reports of it in MSM.

That means it quite serious.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 01 Aug 2019 04:23

Did you folks follow the "carpet bombing" arty attacks on Neelam valley

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 01 Aug 2019 04:38

ArjunPandit wrote:Did you folks follow the "carpet bombing" arty attacks on Neelam valley

From where are you getting this information?

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 01 Aug 2019 04:51

Twitter dawn and times of Islamabad

wig · Post by **wig** » 01 Aug 2019 09:23

https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... s/1662049/

Indian Army ups the ante! Calibre Escalation in response to Pakistan’s unprovoked ceasefire violations

excerpted from the article

Since the February attack this year, besides using heavy weapons against the Indian posts and civilian targets, Pakistan has also been using improvised explosive devices (IEDs).
Pakistan Army has been violating the ceasefire along the Line of Control (LOC) since Tuesday afternoon in various sectors by firing of small arms & shelling with mortars.
The Indian Army has confirmed that there has been a Calibre escalation (Artillery fire) in Tangdhar Sector, as there have been unprovoked ceasefire violations (CFV) from Pakistan side and infiltration attempts by the enemy in the Gurez sector since Tuesday.
Also, since midnight in the Nowshera sector, District Rajouri (J&K), there has been infiltration bid and the Indian Army’s response has caused heavy casualties on the enemy side.

on caliber escalation

What is Calibre Escalation?

Usually, the exact nature of the calibre used is Operational Specific or the sector or the post which is being targeted. Anything beyond small arms is calibre escalation.

According to a former army general, in the normal LOC firing the integral infantry weapons are used which include Light Machine Guns, Medium Machine Guns, and up to 81 mm mortars.

What is 81 mm mortar?

According to the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) the 81 mm mortar is a lightweight weapon and can be easily deployed.

Since early this year, there have been at least 78 times that there have been calibre escalation from Pakistan side hitting at the Indian post and civilian targets in which they have used heavy artillery and mortars.

When Pakistan attacks Indian posts using small and big weapons, then even the Indian Army starts escalating gradually and artillery gets incorporated with the infantry. Together, in coordination between artillery and the infantry the Indian Army normally deploy 120 mm mortars and 105 field guns, and 130mm guns.

wig · Post by **wig** » 01 Aug 2019 09:28

in other news Pak has evacuated 50 chinese nationals
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/p ... 2019-07-31

Pakistan evacuates 50 Chinese nationals in PoK due to continuous firing near LoC
extracted from the above article

Over 50 Chinese nationals working on a hydroelectric project in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir were evacuated after skirmishes along the Line of Control with India, Pakistani authorities said on Wednesday.

could somebody savvy with images and maps, post a map of where this dam is being constructed. It is within the Pakistan occupied ares of J&K and nothing more than an illegal landgrab by the Pakis assisted by the chinese

The Chinese men were working on a dam being constructed in PoK along the confluence of the Neelam and Jhelum rivers when the firing pushed authorities to move the workers late on Tuesday

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 01 Aug 2019 10:44

I hope some of these workers see horrors they never return, that dam need not be built

DharmaB · Post by **DharmaB** » 01 Aug 2019 20:43

अर्ध-सन्यासी (Half Hermit)

‏ @bababanaras
23m23 minutes ago

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इतना रीट्वीट करें कि #बॉस को बोल सकूं की पूरा हिंदुस्तान भी कश्मीर की सम्पूर्ण आज़ादी के लिए छटपटा रहा है।

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 01 Aug 2019 21:32

wig wrote:in other news Pak has evacuated 50 chinese nationals
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/p ... 2019-07-31

Pakistan evacuates 50 Chinese nationals in PoK due to continuous firing near LoC
extracted from the above article
Over 50 Chinese nationals working on a hydroelectric project in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir were evacuated after skirmishes along the Line of Control with India, Pakistani authorities said on Wednesday.
could somebody savvy with images and maps, post a map of where this dam is being constructed. It is within the Pakistan occupied ares of J&K and nothing more than an illegal landgrab by the Pakis assisted by the chinese
The Chinese men were working on a dam being constructed in PoK along the confluence of the Neelam and Jhelum rivers when the firing pushed authorities to move the workers late on Tuesday

nauseri is the place where the dam is situated...google it. nausadda village school ...

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 01 Aug 2019 21:38

nachiket wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:Did you folks follow the "carpet bombing" arty attacks on Neelam valley
From where are you getting this information?

Lots of sporadic protests had broken out over a dam's waters being diverted away from PoK, not surprisingly anti-establishment slogans were raised and internet was suspended indefinitely. Amidst all this, lots of heavy arty in Neelam valley.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Aug 2019 23:28

Gagan and others have tweeted the location with maps.
The dam is 3.5km from LOC.
Essentially it diverts the Neelum River into the Jhelum.

While this is going on Paks have massed irregulars/terrorists as last ditch to attack Amarnath Yatra.
25K CAPF being sent in addition to the 10K already sent.
So do get out and find the info.

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 01 Aug 2019 23:39

Either we are living under a rock, or there is a deliberate attempt by GoI to censor any information coming out of the valley. Several companies of SSB and ITBP were airlifted into Srinagar this evening. Not sure if related but COAS, met with with the Governor today.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Aug 2019 23:44

While a war is going on you want Burkha Dutt to get access?

This is NaMo govt that has seen the impact of loose press in conflict areas.

Vidur · Post by **Vidur** » 01 Aug 2019 23:57

mmasand wrote:Either we are living under a rock, or there is a deliberate attempt by GoI to censor any information coming out of the valley. Several companies of SSB and ITBP were airlifted into Srinagar this evening. Not sure if related but COAS, met with with the Governor today.

Sir no censoring of casualties but operations must necessarily be confidential. It was correctly mentioned that elements of press have worked against national interest. Lives have been lost.

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 02 Aug 2019 00:24

ramana wrote:While a war is going on you want Burkha Dutt to get access?

This is NaMo govt that has seen the impact of loose press in conflict areas.

I'm not asking for information, rather suggesting that GoI in a departure from its previous tricks of trickling bits and pieces to local press, has adopted a constrained approach. There seems to be more to the Neelum valley pounding than what is available in the public domain.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 02 Aug 2019 00:30

I'm more concerned with Modi/Shah finishing of the "Kashmir issue" than how much they tell me what they are up to.
I have no problem waiting for the big surprise as they do their job behind the scenes.

I have faith in Amit Shah that he knows what he is doing. He is a jingo, but a smart one.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 02 Aug 2019 01:20

Acche din for Kashmir coming?

Over 280 companies of security forces being deployed in Kashmir

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 02 Aug 2019 01:39

KJo wrote:Acche din for Kashmir coming?

Over 280 companies of security forces being deployed in Kashmir

38,000 troops in two weeks! I will have to say that 35A is as good as gone now.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Aug 2019 02:22

I would like 100K troops to allow the RR to be freed for PoK.

But need Naxal menace to be resolved.

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 02 Aug 2019 02:25

If 35A/370 gone, who is going to buy some property in Jammu or Kashmir?

We need to start a jingo property thread. I am very excited!

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 02 Aug 2019 02:40

Mehbooba Akka has a lot of time on her hands these days, being jobless and all, so she's on twitter trolling everyone posting flame-baits. The other day she was threatening Modi and Shah about 35A and 370 that if they dare to remove it, all hell will break loose.

This is a clear sign of how scared these people are. Once these bad laws are out, then Manchegowda from Mysore, Nedunchezhian from Sriperumbudur, Ambejogaikar from Chinchpokli can all buy property in J&K. It will take years maybe decades but enterprising people will move in change the Islamic Kashmiri nature of the state and make it "Indian".

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Aug 2019 03:14

sudeepj wrote:If 35A/370 gone, who is going to buy some property in Jammu or Kashmir? We need to start a jingo property thread. I am very excited!

Please start one in Tech/Econ forum.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 02 Aug 2019 03:30

We should start BR LLC for investing in J&K

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Aug 2019 04:25

V_Raman wrote:We should start BR LLC for investing in J&K

Don't float it like CCD guy.

wig · Post by **wig** » 02 Aug 2019 10:11

Pak asks militants to lie low in J&K till FATF meet in Oct

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jammu ... 11442.html

Pakistan has asked all militant groups operating in Kashmir, including Jaish-e-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba, to lie low till the October meeting of the international watchdog against money laundering and financing of terrorism — the Financial Action Task Force (FATF).

wig · Post by **wig** » 02 Aug 2019 10:16

Jammu lawyers oppose Art 35A - To file application to be party in apex court | Bar suspends 5 members

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jammu ... 11429.html

In the midst of a raging debate over Article 35A, Jammu lawyers on Thursday decided to approach the Supreme Court by filing an application for impleadment as one of the parties in the case.

The lawyers also resolved and decided to unanimously oppose the retention of Article 35A, saying “It was inserted in the Constitution of India by way of Presidential Order in the year 1954, by resorting to Article 370 of the Constitution of India, without following the Constitutional mandate of Article 368 of the Constitution of India which provides for amendment of the Constitution”.

and

“We disown and condemn the statement made by few members of J&K High Court Bar Association (JKHCBAJ) wherein they supported the retention of Article 35A in individual capacity, despite the fact that the Association, in a meeting of its General House on August 3 last year, had already resolved and taken a unanimous decision to oppose the retention of Article 35A,” advocate Abhinav Sharma, president of JKHCBAJ, said after chairing a meeting of the executive committee here.

Sharma said they had suspended five members of the association from its basic membership for making statements in support of Article 35A and it was unanimously decided “to intervene before the Supreme Court by filing an application for impleadment as one of the parties in the case”.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 02 Aug 2019 10:58

Why do we need massive deployment and IAF on operational alert for only abrogation of 35A. Something big is cooking.
There is no news on paki mobilization also

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 02 Aug 2019 12:17

Any discussion on Kashmir, will only be with Pak: EAM. Though I prefer a stance Kashmir is India's internal issue

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NC delegation calls on PM; request polls by year-end. Looks like the Kashmiri politicos have slowly started smelling the coffee. That their earlier days of holding the nation to ransom are long gone; slowly seems to be getting into their heads. If Mehbooba and Hurri-rats also come queuing up to see Modi that means screws are tightened further.

'Troop deployment in J&K based on internal situation'. A rumour is that GoI plans to celebrate Independence Day in a grand style in J&K this time. And that a gang of determined Jehadis are also now in the vicinity.

KJo wrote: Once these bad laws are out, then Manchegowda from Mysore, Nedunchezhian from Sriperumbudur, Ambejogaikar from Chinchpokli can all buy property in J&K.

Rest assured that before all these people land up there would be a Malayali/Keralite who would have opened up a tea-shop there.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 02 Aug 2019 12:36

My wish, trifurcate Jammu and Ladakh, confine the valley just like west bank. Remove any special privileges to KMs in educational institutions across India, they are nothing special.

LakshmanPST · Post by **LakshmanPST** » 02 Aug 2019 13:11

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1157176400488673285

Sources: The Indian Air Force flying operations in Jammu and Kashmir are part of “normal activity”. Mirage 2000 fighter aircraft are also operating from airbases inside the state.

M2ks are operating from bases inside J&K...???
Something big is happening in J&K...

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 02 Aug 2019 13:24

There are multiple possibilities. Useless to speculate.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 02 Aug 2019 13:29

Check the half- hermits tweet from about an hour back.

Seems some kind of cross border raid, ss style, has happened.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 02 Aug 2019 13:52

pankajs wrote:Check the half- hermits tweet from about an hour back.

Seems some kind of cross border raid, ss style, has happened.

The Time magazine had mentioned 2 cross border raids and then deleted the news. Some thing is going down