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Postby Gagan » 30 Aug 2016 05:04

Link to last page of the previous thread that is now locked

Muzaffar Hussain Baig Full Speech Over Kashmir Unrest | Lok Sabha | Parliament Session

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=998wLnLTKDU

The most important take home message from this speech is his contention that worse militants in the valley have surrendered, fought and won elections.

So sweet! In J&K these guys comit terrorism for a few years, murder a few people, live underground for a few years. Then they expect that the state will bring them back into the fold. One can see the amnesty given to all these POK militants in this regard by the previous GoI, never mind that the intel agencies were alarmed at this!

I tell you all, the angst that Burhan Wani and his gang has is that he was expecting Biriyani, but got a bullet instead. Hence the rona-dhona.
Good riddance that this BS has been stopped!

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Postby Prem » 30 Aug 2016 05:13

GAURAV C SAWANT Retweeted
India Today ‏@IndiaToday 8h8 hours ago
#Kashmir: Use of chilli grenades,water slugs approved but pellet guns to stay

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Postby Vayutuvan » 30 Aug 2016 05:20

Gagan wrote:So sweet! In J&K these guys comit terrorism for a few years, murder a few people, live underground for a few years. Then they expect that the state will bring them back into the fold. One can see the amnesty given to all these POK militants in this regard by the previous GoI, never mind that the intel agencies were alarmed at this!


Not saying it is good or bad, but it happens elsewhere in other Indian states too. Telangana for example.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby vishnua » 30 Aug 2016 07:53

Well for every one person that has been "rehabilitated", 100 should meet their houris. That will "fix" problem. Then it becomes luck of the draw.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby arun » 30 Aug 2016 15:42

X Posted from the “India-US relations: News and Discussions III” thread.

Excerpt dealing with Jammu & Kashmir from briefing by “Senior State Department Official” of US on visit to India by US Secretary of State John Kerry. Looks like the US will press us to talk with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan while dangling the carrot that since they claim to appreciate our problems with Islamic Republic of Pakistan sponsored Mohammadden Terrorism they actually might do something tangible such as turnoff the arms and aid tap to that terrorist fomenting country:

Briefing: Previewing Secretary Kerry's Travel to Bangladesh and India
Special Briefing
Senior State Department Official
Via Teleconference
August 29, 2016 ………………………………

QUESTION: Yeah. Many thanks. Hi, [Senior State Department Official]. Thanks for doing this. I just wondered how much discussion there’s going to be on – in current India-Pakistan tensions and Kashmir and how much of a concern those are right at the moment for the United States.

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL: Well, we will certainly have conversations and dialogue in all three of the bilateral meetings – both with the external affairs minister, with the national security adviser, and certainly with the prime minister himself – on regional issues and relations across the board. And so I suspect that there will be conversations with respect to not only India-Pakistan but also developments in Afghanistan and other parts of the neighborhood.

I do believe that the current situation – and I’ve seen all of the reporting around that as well – is very much going to be part of the conversations. We have a longstanding policy of encouraging and advocating for greater dialogue between the two countries on addressing areas of difference, and that continues to be our position. But we also have underscored that combatting terrorism is a high priority for the United States in its bilateral relationships with all of the countries in the region, and that all the countries in the region have an obligation to address these issues, and that we don’t make any distinctions with respect to terrorist groups in any part of that region, that there are no good or bad terrorists, there are only terrorists, and that all countries have an obligation to ensure that there are no safe havens for terrorists.

QUESTION: Just to follow up, I mean, is – how would you characterize the situation in Kashmir at the moment? Would you say that tensions were particularly high, and do they need to be calmed down a bit?

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL: I would say that there is certainly a greater degree of protest and violence that we’ve seen, and that underscores our longstanding position that there needs to be a dialogue process that takes these issues into consideration. And we have always urged for that, but that is a process that needs to be determined by these two countries, and we are supportive of anything that will move that process forward.


From here:

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Yagnasri » 31 Aug 2016 10:01

http://www.oneindia.com/srinagar/how-ha ... 95435.html

What the GOI is doing on this money supply. Unless this is stopped permanently, there will not be reduction in violence.

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Postby prahaar » 02 Sep 2016 12:32

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation ... 88956.html

Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha today indicated that Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) would have been India’s had the country gone for a military solution rather than taking a “moral high ground”. He rued that air power was not fully utilised by the Indian Government till the 1971 India-Pakistan war.

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Postby wig » 03 Sep 2016 09:38

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/lost-divi ... mir-blame/
an interesting detailing of events in J&K
By the end of year 2005, Pakistan trained and backed terrorist outfit HizbulMujahideen (HM) had been effectively decimated in Kashmir. Its top commanders and planners were eliminated one by one by the security forces (SFs) as intelligence flowed in like never before. The finances were drying up and cadre was low on morale even as cross border infiltration had been curbed largely. The Pakistani terror outfits like Lashkar e Toiba (LeT), Jaish e Mohammad (JeM) etc. whose cadre depended almost entirely on the largely local HM for logistics, hideouts, guides felt orphaned in pursuing their evil designs in J&K.
The valley was inundated by the tourists once again and the local population was brimming with hope. Srinagar Muzaffarabad crossLoC bus service had started as were the other Indo-Pak confidence building measures. General ParvezMusharaf was on record saying that UN resolutions had lost their relevance in their application to the Kashmir issue. Late Mufti Mohammad Syed as the chief minister of J&K was seen as living up to his election promise of peace with dignity. The guns on the Indo-Pak border had fallen silent and the spirit of reconciliation was in the air.
With a pulsating synergy between the intelligence, law enforcing and operational forces, terrorism in J&K had been dealt with a deadly blow. Not only hundreds of terrorists were killed but a large number of over groundworkers’ (OGW) networks mainly of pro-Pakistan Jamaat e Islami was destroyed. Hawala channels such as those through Western Union transfers were effectively plugged with the help of financial experts and revenue intelligence besides local surveillance.
The momentum of the rediscovered normalcy and hope had apparently broken the stranglehold of bickering Hurriyat and proponents of armed violence on the people. Mufti’s two pronged policy of promotion of peace through dialogue and surgical elimination of terror and separatism found wholehearted support from the federal government. The Track II dialogue process with Pakistan was invigorated and many possible solutions including Musharaf’s formula were discussed. A permanent end to the long festering sore seemed close by 2007, just before the Lal Masjid standoff blew away Musharaf’s presidency.
THE REVERSAL
However, it was not to be. General Musharaf started losing the grip. The hardliners backed byJamat e Ulema Islam Pakistan(linked to terror outfits such as Pakistani Taliban and Jaish e Mohammad) and their cohorts in armed forces joined hands to reverse his policies. Late retired Lt General Hamid Gul, a staunch critic of Musharaf’s Kashmir policies was one of the main players of Pakistani establishment which refused to tow General Musharaf’s line on Kashmir. Consequently, anti-India terror outfits such as LeT and JeM, which had been very critical of Musharaf’s policies and had full backing of the “establishment”, revved up their camps and activities in PoK with a vengeance and infiltration attempts again started picking up.
Almost, as if in tandem and conspiracy with the ascendant anti-India activities in Pakistan and PoK post 2007, the gains made in the State of J&K began to be forgotten and frittered away. In ideal situations, peacetime is utilised to consolidate and fortify the gains made in difficult times. And now was the time to work upon the dividends of peace and hope. Unfortunately, complacence and arrogance of the politico-administrative setup in the State and New Delhi coupled with the lethargy and fatigue in the security and intelligence apparatusled to a colossal failure in doing so, the consequences of which are before us.
To paraphrase retired Air Vice Marshal ManmohanBahadur:”Insurgency is a long drawn out event requiring patience, resilience, fortitude and common sense”.
Proxy wars and cross border terrorism(CBT) are long extended events as they are low cost options for the perpetrator and do not directly expose it. In a country like Pakistan, where Army is the prime mover of foreign relations, no political party or leader, howsoever powerful, has been able to turn around forever Army’s long-term policies and hostilities towards India. So, they started again and this time with greater understanding and intelligence obtained through Cross LoC visits and Pugwash interactions.
The ISI had understood that its low cost sponsored armed insurgency as proxy war had failed in Kashmir due to its over-dependence on locals includingJamaat e Islami and its armed outfit HM. With the attrition of HM, foreign terrorists of LeT or JeM found it hard to operate for want of logistics and guides. The local terror infrastructure had been rent asunder by the surgical; intelligence pointed operations as well as the astute political process initiated by Mufti Syed, who had largely won over Jamaat and other fringe elements. Moreover, due to choking of funds through traditional hawala channels, the insurgency could not be sustained in the valley. The local population was perceived to be capricious and not radical enough to carry on Pakistan’s war out of religious conviction alone. And that is how the gameplay was changed for the new phase of Kashmir Disturbance.
RADICALISATION
The Muslim population of Kashmir has traditionally followed Hanafi school of Islam flavoured by spiritual and cultural uniqueness of Sufi-Reshi order. Kashmiriyat as a conceptual way of life is structured on this premise with its pillars of secularism, tolerance, non-violence and brotherhood. For a long duration of history, the valley has been able to secure its unique religious essence from the radical onslaughts. However, though to a small extent, Salafi/Wahhabi and Deobandi influences were moving alongside.
In the late 1990s, Salafi institutions flush with Saudi-Pak axis funds started growing in the valley. Al-Qaeda’s strikes against the West were seen propelling the youth towards more intolerant and radicalised form of Islam and pan-Islamism. Opulent mosques ofAhle-Hadis (A Salafi strand of Hanbali school of Islamic jurisprudence and the ideological parent of the Pakistan based terror outfit Lashkar e Toiba) started coming up in small number in Srinagar and other areas of the valley, especially South Kashmir. However, the keen intelligence and surveillance setup was quite successful in arresting its ideological and material spread till around 2008. The initiative, however, was lost later unfortunately.
Pakistan Army/ISI exploited the lax security and political climate in J&K post 2007 with a new strategy of vigorous promotion of Salafi/WahhabiIslam with lavish funding to the valley based Ahle-Hadis workers and LeT cadre. The advantage was envisaged as two-fold. Firstly, an elaborate OGW network of its own for the LeT terrorists, who did not need to depend on the HM network for hideouts, logistics and guides. Pakistani LeT terrorists could just get dropped on LoC and get transported through Ahle-Hadis mosques and hideouts to any part of the State. TheLeT terror attack on a BSF convoy on Srinagar Jammu NHW at Narsooin 2015 by Pakistani terrorists infiltrated from the Gulmarg sector, one of whom was caught alive, is a case in point.
Secondly, the radicalised and Islamised sections of population thus transformed out of the Hanafi-Sufi majority could anytime be used for anti-India/pro-Pakistan uprising. Funds and fear were to be used for the purpose. The Sufi believers in the valley are thought of as a meek and coercible lot by the Pakistani establishment. The radicalised youth blame their parents for following Sufi practices and “unIslamic”way of life which in their view has led to their “political subjugation”- a typical Islamist reaction. The waving of ISIS, Pakistani, LeT flags is in fact an assertion of pan-Islamism over Kashmiri nationalism and gives a lie to those who prefer to call it a political issue and struggle for Independence.
CONCLUSION
All these indications and developments were either not perceived by the intelligence agencies, both of the Centre and State or were thought of as inconsequential as things were very “normal”. The mushrooming of Salafi mosques, the very visible radical traits among youth, the stone-pelting by mobs during encounters, the increasing use of Mosques for mob incitement, the growing hatred against “infidels “especially after 2014 parliament elections etc. were enough of an indication to read and analyse the undercurrents. The resurfacing of 1990 type mosque exhortations as witnessed during the JKEDI terror attack in Pampore, should have been flagged and probed as a major game-changing event. Was it too much to expect from the local intelligence setup, when the street buzz in the valley was itself rife with the rumours of something big being planned, to be executed after Eid-ul-Fitr !
The flow of foreign funds meant for radicalisation and mass protests going undetected is another big failure of the concerned agencies, who could not maintain the pressure on hawala and money laundering channels after 2008.
“The more you sweat in peace the less you bleed in war” goes the old security adage. Complacence, lethargy, corruption and lack of unfaltering national spirit have let us down in every aspect of life. We all bleed, thus.

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Postby wig » 03 Sep 2016 09:40

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jammu- ... 89420.html

Minorities Act doesn’t apply to us: J&K to SC
The Jammu and Kashmir Government today told the Supreme Court that the central Minorities Act, 1992, was not applicable to the state and as such it did not have to set up a state-level minorities’ commission.
Appearing for the state government, its standing counsel Sunil Fernandes told a Bench headed by Chief Justice TS Thakur that the state nevertheless needed time to file its response in writing to a PIL for immediate identification of minorities in the sensitive border state to stop diversion of funds meant for them to the majority community.
The Bench, which included Justice AM Khanwilkar, granted time to the state and said the case would be taken up for the next hearing after six weeks. On July 12, the apex court had issued notices to the Centre and the state government seeking their views on the PIL plea.
The petitioner, advocate Ankur Sharma, had pleaded that the state government was treating the Muslims, who accounted for 68.31 per cent of the total population in the state in the 2011 Census, as a minority community, which was “arbitrary, unreasonable and illegal.”
He said his representations to the authorities for setting up a state minorities’ commission to identify and notify the minorities in Jammu and Kashmir had fallen on deaf ears. He said he was forced to approach the SC as the state high court had refused to even list a PIL on the issue for preliminary hearing without citing any reason.
The Central Government had issued a notification under the National Commission for Minorities Act, 1992, on October 23, 1993, identifying Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists and Parsis (Zoroastrians) as national minorities. In 2014, Jains were added to the list.
“But the state of Jammu and Kashmir has to date neither notified any of the communities as minorities in the state of Jammu and Kashmir nor has legislated a state minority commission Act providing for a state minority commission which may safeguard the interests of religious and linguistic minorities in the state,” the PIL said.
The Centre offered 20,000 high value scholarships in 2007-08 in the field of technical professional education to national-level minorities. In Jammu and Kashmir, the majority Muslims were allotted 717 of the 753 scholarships. Similarly, schemes such as the 15-point programme for the minorities were being misutilised for the benefit of the majority community in the state, the petitioner pleaded.
Siphoning off minority rights “clandestinely and illegally” to the majority community was nothing but vote bank politics, the PIL said.
The petitioner contended that minority rights were fundamental rights under Articles 29 and 30 of the Constitution and as such could not be denied on account of the failure of the legislature to enact a law for the purpose
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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby CRamS » 04 Sep 2016 20:48

As expected, the Paki harried rats showed the middle finger Indian MPs visiting the valley. What next on the chess board? I see something being choreographed here. Note that fraud Omar Abdullah has still not shit his trap. He said why are the rats being arrested or some such thing. One only needs TSP 101 intelligence to see that game being played (with possibly Uncle and Chincoms in the background) is that slowly but steadily, the so called dialogue is being choreographed to be a 3-way dialogue between India TSP and the valley KMs. Will ModiJi accept that? And mark my word, Indian opposition will start pressing this pretty soon in the interest of what they call "p!ss".

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Postby chetak » 04 Sep 2016 20:54

CRamS wrote:As expected, the Paki harried rats showed the middle finger Indian MPs visiting the valley. What next on the chess board? I see something being choreographed here. Note that fraud Omar Abdullah has still not shit his trap. He said why are the rats being arrested or some such thing. One only needs TSP 101 intelligence to see that game being played (with possibly Uncle and Chincoms in the background) is that slowly but steadily, the so called dialogue is being choreographed to be a 3-way dialogue between India TSP and the valley KMs. Will ModiJi accept that? And mark my word, Indian opposition will start pressing this pretty soon in the interest of what they call "p!ss".


failed leaders shitaram yechuri and that fraud sharad yadav reach Humhama police mess to meet Yasin Malik ...

wonder why such non entities have been included in the all party delegation??

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby pankajs » 04 Sep 2016 21:12

Each party was asked to suggest its list so BJP doesn't control inclusion as far as all party team is concerned.

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Postby chetak » 04 Sep 2016 21:15

pankajs wrote:Each party was asked to suggest its list so BJP doesn't control inclusion as far as all party team is concerned.


these two losers are out to make trouble by breaking away from the main pack.

shitaram is working under direct instructions from the hans to get the hurriyat into the picture and hence the pakis become stake holders.

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Postby CRamS » 04 Sep 2016 21:30

What astonished me is that for years, I mean years, even the Congoons have been screaming that the Harried rats are dis-credited, they have no following in the valley, they are minuscule yada yada. Now they are center piece in the minds of the same frauds who were singing the other tune. The rats are now being propped up not just by TSP, but by Indian opposition as well. If ModiJi does not back down, we can see this to be ModiJi attack template in the ensuing weeks and months, namely, BJP's obduracy has stalled the "p!ss process" and KMs "betrayed" again.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby RoyG » 04 Sep 2016 21:55

Before article 370 is removed you need to use the full spectrum approach to politically isolate separatists.

IMO, Hurriyat is appearing weaker despite all the noise.

Mature states don't just walk in and start bashing heads.

Mehbooba w/ the help of GoI is positioning herself as a Kashmiri statesman.

She knows that some point she will be representing PoK as well and will
be governing a highly prized piece of real estate for a considerable length of time.

What we are seeing today is desperation from political quarters which no longer
enjoy patronage from Gandhi dynasty.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby chetak » 05 Sep 2016 01:23

RoyG wrote:Before article 370 is removed you need to use the full spectrum approach to politically isolate separatists.

IMO, Hurriyat is appearing weaker despite all the noise.

Mature states don't just walk in and start bashing heads.

Mehbooba w/ the help of GoI is positioning herself as a Kashmiri statesman.

She knows that some point she will be representing PoK as well and will
be governing a highly prized piece of real estate for a considerable length of time.

What we are seeing today is desperation from political quarters which no longer
enjoy patronage from Gandhi dynasty.


specially omar of the musical beds

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby RoyG » 05 Sep 2016 01:35

Omar is finished and so is Hurriyat.

A small piece of land roughly ~6000 sq miles cant control the entire destiny of J&K and the rest of India.

The aged Parakeets of the Valley will go to the vultures to make way for the new.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Sachin » 06 Sep 2016 16:04

Even the Hurryrats do not seem to have any faith on Yechuri, D.Raja etc. These people actually went as gate crashers and went uninvited. One thing, which gets proved is that communists are treated by every one with suspicion. Or they are considered to be irrelevant.

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Postby disha » 08 Sep 2016 09:56

Glad that Hurry Rats kicked the commies out., exposed both the commies and Hurry rats. They basically rejected to talk to people of India (not GOI but it was an all-party delegation) and also the commies., now GOI can basically say that it is the Hurry rats who are the problem and cut them off the process. At this stage., KMs neither have the kashmiriyat or jhamuriyat or insaniyat. All they have is insanity.

Note that Hurry rats are US State Dept. creation.

CRamS'ji - Hurry rats cannot even take a piss now., this is from a sickular rag: http://www.firstpost.com/politics/kashmir-unrest-strong-decisive-action-by-modi-govt-means-hurriyats-days-of-luxury-are-over-2994784.html

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Postby chetak » 08 Sep 2016 13:24

Sachin wrote:Even the Hurryrats do not seem to have any faith on Yechuri, D.Raja etc. These people actually went as gate crashers and went uninvited. One thing, which gets proved is that communists are treated by every one with suspicion. Or they are considered to be irrelevant.


the commies, shitram and dopey raja are still desperately trying to muscle into areas where they have no constituency or even relevance.

Their irrelevance in Indian politics is hurting them badly. They are pushing GOI for talks with the hurriyat on hurriyat terms and not pushing the Hurriyat for talks with the GOI on GOI terms.

they are pushing the cheeni agenda and not the GOI agenda.

They tried slyly to upstage the GOI on the pretext of "out reach" and got badly rogered by the jehadis in public.

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Postby habal » 08 Sep 2016 14:25

>> They are pushing GOI for talks with the hurriyat on hurriyat terms and not pushing the Hurriyat for talks with the GOI on GOI terms.

then the jihadis should have given them space no ?

or maybe they are contemptuous of any Indian meeting them except for if it is the Prime Minister.

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Postby chetak » 08 Sep 2016 14:34

habal wrote:>> They are pushing GOI for talks with the hurriyat on hurriyat terms and not pushing the Hurriyat for talks with the GOI on GOI terms.

then the jihadis should have given them space no ?

or maybe they are contemptuous of any Indian meeting them except for if it is the Prime Minister.


I don't think that the commies have any real say in the matter. They are just trying to muscle in by supporting the hurriyat and tried to use the hurriyat contact ( had it materialized) to create political space for themselves when in reality no space actually exists for them.

there is also a representative from the RSP, in the all party fun fest, another one seater commie outfit when the country has forgotten all about this party

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Postby pankajs » 08 Sep 2016 16:02

IIRC, the commies went on to propose something on the lines of "Talk to hurry-rats and Pakistan on Kashmir" at the latest All party meet after their return from J&K.

That is basically the Baki line that Kashmir is not an internal matter of India and Indian needs to talk to Bakis and their puppet in the valley. In the past GOI has talked to both at one time of the other. Modi decided to make a break from the past.

Commies and other *seculars* are not so much supporting the Bakis or the hurry-rats but their prime focus is to undermine Modi led GOI. BJP did use the nationalistic position to take on its opponents on many issues both in political parties and media. There are eruptions from time to time against this line in editorial, op-eds and in TV studios but generally it is understood to be a favorable wicket for BJP among the masses.

The prescription being advanced by the commies and *seculars* is to undermine this very plank of the Modi led BJP. If after many strong statement on Bakis the Modi led GOI is forced to back-track and hold talks with both Bakis and hurry-rats, even if cosmetic, will be an outright victory for the Bakis and their terror tactics. Inside India, it will be used to portray Modi as a flip-flopper, weak on national security and generally used to weaken BJP's nationalistic plank.

If the public sees it as a sellout after our hard-line position who do you think is going to be blamed for it by the masses? Modi of course even when the idea originated from the commies. The nuance will be lost in the sound and fury that will follow.

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Postby CRamS » 08 Sep 2016 21:25

Pankaj, you beat me to it. I was going to post something similar. Just to re-iterate the game going on is very obvious:

1. The traitors want to push ModiJi for talks with TSP.

2. The traitors want ModiJi to drop the talks within Indian constitution clause, bend down on his knees, and beg Harried rats for dialogue

3. And the traitors' solution to Kashmir, to quote Sushil Pandit writing for the pee-pee-c is: self rule, autonomy, open borders and shared sovereignty with TSP, sharia-compliant banking, and reducing the role of the Supreme Court, federal auditors and the Indian election panel, among other things

Call me pessimistic, but I am a tad worried that ModiJi will flip flop once again and agree to same variant of #1 and 2 above. Recall him giving bear hugs to "good sheriff" etc, all well meaning, but backfired big time.

Also, I asked this before, but can someone explain to me what is so difficult about revoking Indian-tax payer funded perks for the harried rates? Why can't ModiJi do it in a heart beat via a pri-ministerial diktat? Why the need to approach supreme court and crap like that? What is India afraid will happen should they take off the kid gloves with the rats?

I personally do not see India coming out in Kashmir victorious unless and until it can cut the umbilical chord between the valley Islamists and TSP. Burka bibi and Thappas and other scum bags dominating Indian media and left will not tell the Indian public this because they themselves believe in #3 above, but even as they scream "dialouge with all stakeholders in the valley", no internal dialogue in the valley will succeed as long as TSP's shadow hangs around the neck of every politician. They will be shot dead in broad daylight should they deviate from the ISI scripted play act. How does one deflate TSP influence short of war? By discrediting the rats and India asserting its supremacy. Taking out ring leaders etc. Are ModiJi and co up to this task?

As an example of the power of TSP'' writ in the valley, I am disappointed that even Muzzarfar Beg is now signing the tune that unless "agenda of alliance" is implemented, which includes bending down before the rats and TSP, he recommends that Mehbooba resign.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby srin » 08 Sep 2016 21:51

Do not read on full stomach ! Interview with Comrade Yechury
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/the-interviews-blog/we-want-the-kashmiri-people-to-know-the-indian-parliament-is-worried-and-seriously-wants-to-resolve-the-problem/
There was no hostility in the sense of opposition. The Hurriyat decision not to talk was based on the fact that while killings are taking place and pellet guns are used they do not want to take part in any political decision. They first want to end this.


Four Hurriyat leaders – Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, Abdul Ghani Butt, Shabir Shah and Yasin Malik – met us. They stuck to the official position. We explained to them that to restore normalcy we are asking the government to announce four confidence-building measures. These include: an end to the use of pellet guns, adequate compensation to those dead and injured in the violence, a process to judicially investigate killings and take action against security forces found to have committed excess, withdrawal of Armed Forces Special Power Act (AFSPA) and the start of a massive employment generation programme.
The decision to use chilli-based PAVA shells instead of pellets is a welcome step but not adequate. Our proposal was unconditional dialogue with all stakeholders and restarting the Indo-Pakistan dialogue on all issues announced by the government, including Kashmir. They heard us out and did not disagree.


Let us revisit the accession of 1948 and Article 370. Promises made then have been betrayed. For instance, Article 370 was given for the whole state but why is it confined to a few areas? There is a need to relook into issues that contributed to a trust deficit. Let us see how they can be bridged. This does not mean reverting to that situation. There are many issues that may have become anachronistic. For instance, the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court and Election Commission are continuing for decades :shock: :shock: :shock: . Also, the jurisdiction of telecommunications is a meaningless thing now.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby CRamS » 08 Sep 2016 22:33

One more thing. We have seen flare ups in the valley in the past as well. Reason this time it has assumed alarming dimensions is for the fact that opposition traitors needs some stick to beat BJP and ModiJi with. And this flare up was a God send. Note none of these self righteous noise pelters: Yechuri, Owaisi etc went on this kind of a mission in previous flare ups. Couple that with the despicable National Conference and those bloody twits: Omar Abdullah, Junaid Matoo etc who have not sized on this to take on PDP, their nemesis in the valley; and you see that the flare up seems more alarming than it was in previous years because of all these busy body buffoons raking up a huge noise. I mean who is this blood f!ck Owaisi to lecture India on "human rights" violations and "humanist approach". He all but speaks harried rats language. When Haseeb drabu said something about Paki slave Geelani, Owaisi was screaming where is Kashmiriyat when these "leaders" (rats) are arrested. I can't help but wonder if ISI and GHQ in Rawalpindi are laughing their arses off as their plan is being executed by their proxies and these useful idiots like Owaisi.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby chetak » 08 Sep 2016 23:41

slowly but surely the Indian muslims are being dragged into it,

whatever the Indian muslims thought about the kashmiri muslims, they did not take a public position about it but now traitors like owasi have taken a public position by their open meddling in the kashmir affairs and this can only end badly.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ramana » 09 Sep 2016 00:27

What Yehchuri and Owaisi need is blast of pellet gun on collective backside.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby pankajs » 09 Sep 2016 10:33

Not that things may not change but as of now, Kashmir stays on the sideline on the international scene for the following reason.
1. Modi's counter offensive on Bakistan as "Terror central". Keep the bakis sandwiched between "Terror central" and Baluchistan, on the backfoot and defensive.
2. Backing of both Afghanistan and Bangladesh on the terror count is the *Key*. Two other SAARC *Muslim* *neighbors* backing India's position on "Terror central" will make it impossible for Bakis to explain away citing Indian aggression, hindu/muslim, eternal enemy, two-nation theory, Partition, etc.
3. At the present at least US is *constrained* and will not humor the bakis likely because a lot of *crucial* talks/negotiations are underway on matters that are important to them.
4. Other western states take their cue from US on these tricky issues.
5. India's economic potential along with Moid's delivery on reforms will keep some mum.
6. China is careful because it don't want other commenting on its internal matters. I think they will hold on to this line.

Our main weakness at the present is internal where every political party and most media *stars* are hellbent on undercutting Modi. He had no choice once the issue was raised in the lok sabha by most parties but to call for a all party meeting. He had no choice when most parties pushed for an all party delegation. He has no choice but to include jokers like $hitman.

These are the demands of a democracy and has to be fulfilled. GOI till date has been firm while still making concessions. The trap has been laid and GOI will have to navigate carefully and will require a lot of deft handling.

BTW, ever wonder why Bakis mostly refrain from commenting on Bangladesh? Ever wonder why, as per baki media, their Foreign office was silent when Baki supporters were being hanged? Why they don't return Bangladesh fire shot for shot?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby chetak » 09 Sep 2016 12:36

pankajs wrote:6. China is careful because it don't want other commenting on its internal matters. I think they will hold on to this line.


the hans are desperate to protect their CPEC. It's their jugular because of the danger of blockade in the straits of Malacca.

Modi's balochistan salvo and POK sniping has focused world attention on the han's underhand dealings in pakiland. This is not anything that the hans had gamed as they thought that Modi was another MMS.

For the first time in decades, the Indians are actively hounding the hans at every international fora and bilateral meet to resolve outstanding issues whereas the previous Indian govts were very very coy in dealing with them. This has caused the han press to go all paranoid and apeshit.

mango pakis have themselves just begun to realize that the $46 Billion CPEC "gift" from the hans is not an investment but a very expensive loan. Their perception of the CPEC has thus undergone a drastic change. The initial euphoria is fast wearing off as the naked reality of the massive swindle is slowly sinking in. Once the CPEC takes shape, the fatal han embrace of the pakis will be permanent and deadly.

The hans have bribed the paki army heavily and that's why bad shariff is so very gungho on the project. The risk is all paki and the returns/rewards are mostly han

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby pankajs » 09 Sep 2016 12:52

China cannot appear to support a "terror central" when that charge is backed by two other Muslim neighbors where the usual explanations don't apply. It puts the spotlight on CPEC / Chinese investments in Bakiland and the Chinese defense of Bakis on international forums and puts them under pressure. Not that it will yield much but pressure is good.

OTOH, the mango munna in Bakiland will wonder why their iron brother does not openly come out in their defense. Bakis after all place a lot of premium on H&D and verbal duels.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby pankajs » 09 Sep 2016 19:46

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 922_1.html
The Indian Army will no longer remain on the sidelines, as the Jammu & Kashmir (J&K) Police and Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) struggle to manage violent public protests that have swept the Valley since the Hizbul Mujahideen’s commander for South Kashmir, Burhan Wani was killed in an encounter on July 8.

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Meanwhile, the army is preparing for the eventuality that violence continues. Over the last week, army units have beefed up presence in South Kashmir. They will now intensify counter terrorism (CT) operations, reasserting dominance over the countryside, by locating and killing militants who have mingled unchecked with pro-azaadi (freedom) crowds for two months.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby SSridhar » 14 Sep 2016 08:36

Wrong to compare Jammu and Kashmir with Pakistan-occupied Kashmir: India's sharp response to UN human rights chief - ToI
India on Tuesday shot down a request from the United Nations Human Rights High Commissioner for unconditional access to Kashmir. Its sharp rebuke came on the grounds that in seeking access to Jammu and Kashmir in tandem with Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), he had sought to equate a democratically governed state with an undemocratically ruled borough that was a global terror hub.

The statement by UN Human Rights High Commissioner Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein had come earlier in the day as part of a human rights update delivered to the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva.

"As regards the suggestion for a visit of a mission to both sides of the Line of Control, we would underline that there is no comparison between the situation in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. The former has a democratically elected Government, while the latter has seen a Pakistani diplomat arbitrarily appointed as its head," read the response from the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA).

"The Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir is part of a pluralistic and secular democracy, where freedoms are guaranteed by an independent judiciary, an active media and a vibrant civil society. In contrast, Pakistan-occupied Kashmir is administered by a 'deep state' and has become a hub for the global export of terror," the MEA statement added.

"We hope that the connection between terrorism and violation of human rights would be recognized and deliberated upon in Geneva," it concluded.
The statement also noted that an all-party delegation had deemed that there were enough democratic channels available to address grievances in Kashmir without resorting to terrorism and violence.

al-Hussein had expresses concern over the rising number of countries that are denying access to teams from the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCRHR).

He said his office had requested the governments of both India and Pakistan for unconditional access to Jammu and Kashmir and PoK, and that he continues to receive reports of the use excessive force against civilians.

"I received last Friday a letter from the Government of Pakistan formally inviting an OHCHR team to the Pakistani side of the line of control, butin tandem with a mission tothe Indian side. I have yet to receive a formal letter from the Government of India. I therefore request here and publicly, from the two Governments, access that is unconditional to both sides of the line of control," he said.

al-Hussein said the team would attempt to investing the conflicting narratives on the causes for the unrest in Kashmir. al-Hussein's remarks come in face of lobbying by Pakistan. The lobbying was part of Islamabad's efforts to internationalize the Kashmir issue and equate Jammu and Kashmir with PoK. Apart from lobbying the five permanent members of the United Nations (US, UK, France, Russia and China) and the European Union to press for a plebiscite in Kashmir, Pakistan continues to openly express support for terrorists by declaring them martyrs.

Islamabad's call for a plebiscite comes in disregard of the fact that such a vote has not taken place because it has refused to meet the very first condition of a 1948 UN Security Council resolution - the complete withdrawal of all Pakistani troops and citizens from the parts of Kashmir it occupies.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby williams » 14 Sep 2016 08:48

http://www.ndtv.com/video/news/the-buck-stops-here/pen-will-win-over-stones-every-time-bsf-topper-from-jammu-and-kashmir-431179?video-featured

Very inspiring words from a Kashmiri Bharat rakshak. The best way to fight the media war on Kashmir is to promote the words of these young rakshaks.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Pratyush » 14 Sep 2016 11:08

I am a little worried about the safety of family of the officer.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby asgkhan » 15 Sep 2016 12:11

One more namak haraam parasite prevented from spreading paki propaganda.

I wish the government would cancel the passport, rescind the citizenship, change their sex and drop them across the land of pure.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... t-3031571/

A Kashmiri human rights activist has alleged that he was not allowed to board a flight by immigration authorities at Delhi’s Indira Gandhi International Airport on Wednesday. The 39-year-old activist, Khurram Pervez, said he was supposed to take a flight to Geneva to attend the ongoing United Nations Human Rights Commission session.
“At around 1.30 am, as I was about to board my flight to Geneva, I was stopped at immigration and detained for one-and-a-half hours. The officer had stamped my boarding pass but they subsequently disallowed me to board the flight,” Pervez, chairperson of the Asian Federation Against Involuntary Disappearances and programme coordinator of the Jammu Kashmir Coalition of Civil Society, said.

“Officials told me that due to orders from the Intelligence Bureau, I cannot travel to Geneva,” he claimed. Two of his colleagues, lawyers Parvez Imroz and Kartik Murukutla, were allowed to travel to Geneva. Deputy Commissioner of Police (FRRO) Prabhakar refused to comment on the matter, saying they do not share operational information with the media.

Pervez said he was “only orally informed that immigration officers had instructions that he was not to be arrested, but that he should not be allowed to leave the country.” A statement issued by the JKCCS said he is “not being allowed to travel because he has been highlighting violations of human rights.”

“The Kashmiri members of the delegation, besides attending the UNHRC session, are scheduled to brief UN bodies including the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights regarding the situation in Jammu and Kashmir, particularly over the last two months,” the JKCCS said.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Prem » 16 Sep 2016 00:04

J&K separatist funding: Supreme Court rejects plea, says not our domain

https://vickynanjappa.com/2016/09/15/jk ... ur-domain/

ew Delhi, Sept 14: The Supreme Court on Wednesday rejected a petition that sought a directive to stop security and funding to the separatists of Jammu and Kashmir. It may be recalled that last week when this petition was filed, the Bench had said, “We feel the same and everyone sitting here feels the same.”However, on Wednesday when the matter came up before the Bench, it rejected the petition while observing that such matters are under the domain of the Centre. On Wednesday, the matter was heard by a bench comprising Justices Dipak Misra and U U Lalit.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby jamwal » 16 Sep 2016 21:04

williams wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/video/news/the-buck-stops-here/pen-will-win-over-stones-every-time-bsf-topper-from-jammu-and-kashmir-431179?video-featured

Very inspiring words from a Kashmiri Bharat rakshak. The best way to fight the media war on Kashmir is to promote the words of these young rakshaks.


He is from Udhampur according to most media reports. So not a Kashmiri.

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"Narendra Modi is implementing the Doval doctrine in Kashmir"

Postby Rajagopal » 17 Sep 2016 07:37

As suspected by many on this forum, there is a Doval strategy in place in the valley. There seems to be a calculated plan to deal with the terrorists in a ruthless fashion as detailed in the below article. (Although the author Sushil aaron seems to be shitting in his pants at the prospect of things getting bad. :D )
http://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis/narendra-modi-is-implementing-the-doval-doctrine-in-kashmir/story-uPZfR9aNCPwFCD3VkTnWZN.html

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby jamwal » 17 Sep 2016 19:25

Yup, read the first part and ignore the last "Downsides" section where he whines about the usual secular libtard narrative. The strictness being shown in Kashmir right now will bring good results in a few years.


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