J&K News and Discussion - 2016

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Dipanker » 13 Feb 2018 04:04

RKumar wrote:Btw ... peace didn't work for us during last 70 years. Now give GoI, 10 years to use force against napak.


When exactly we had peace in last 70 years??

War 1947 - 1949
War 1965
War 1971
War 1984 ( Siachen )
War 1999 ( Kargil )
Near War 2002 ( Operation Parakram)
Proxy War 1947 - Present
Proxy War @ elevated Level 1989 - Present

If we take the average every 14 years we have had hot war with the Paki otherwise we have continuous proxy war since 1947 and at elevated level since 1989.

If we go by the average, right about now a hot war is serious due and all the ingredients are already there, 100's of terrorist attacks, many of them on army camps, and 100's of lives lost.

What we have right now is a policy creep. The policy of upping the ante has not worked, simply because of the successive govts.both past and present apparently do not have the stomach to further up the ante, so the policy creep.

The policy is not working, it needs be reevaluated and proper corrective measures taken.
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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 13 Feb 2018 05:42

^^Did we forget the Op Parakram. IIRC it was not all quite then.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Dipanker » 13 Feb 2018 05:45

You are right, should have included that too, o.k. edited my post and added it.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 13 Feb 2018 10:49

It was the causualtises of Operation Parakram that bought the subsequent ceasefire. Need to inflict similair causualties for Pakis to temporarily deescalate.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby RKumar » 13 Feb 2018 14:18

Shameek wrote:
RKumar wrote:Pigs should be burned instead of bury to ensure that they get the message, we will not allow them to get their 72 before or after life. Hit where it hurt the most.


This is easy to say but not to implement. There are multiple parties waiting for exactly something like this to make it a communal issue in India. (Look at how India treats Muslims etc.) The army is walking a very difficult tightrope situation. Then you have people like M A Lone shout pro Porkistan slogans in the Assembly and then tell the media that he is a Muslim first before being an Indian...


Lets fine tune it, Any non-Indian or high-value terrorist should be burned and others handed over to families.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby RKumar » 13 Feb 2018 14:30

Dipanker wrote:
RKumar wrote:Btw ... peace didn't work for us during last 70 years. Now give GoI, 10 years to use force against napak.


When exactly we had peace in last 70 years??

War 1947 - 1949
War 1965
War 1971
War 1984 ( Siachen )
War 1999 ( Kargil )
Near War 2002 ( Operation Parakram)
Proxy War 1947 - Present
Proxy War @ elevated Level 1989 - Present

If we take the average every 14 years we have had hot war with the Paki otherwise we have continuous proxy war since 1947 and at elevated level since 1989.

If we go by the average, right about now a hot war is serious due and all the ingredients are already there, 100's of terrorist attacks, many of them on army camps, and 100's of lives lost.

What we have right now is a policy creep. The policy of upping the ante has not worked, simply because of the successive govts.both past and present apparently do not have the stomach to further up the ante, so the policy creep.

The policy is not working, it needs be reevaluated and proper corrective measures taken.


If you check our history, even before, during, and after wars with Napakis - we were always too kind to return the prisoners and land without gaining anything due to ploicy fu*kup. This lets the napakis dominate our national attention for too long and costing us too much economically as well as military sense. This time around, there should not be any free lunch. There will intense pressure from western as well as Chinese side but we should not give up.

I wish govt, act proactively and merge Maldive with India for once and all. They have no means to stand against Chinese or IS and will be occupied by one of them sooner or later. In either case, it will be a problem for us. Better solve this now then later and change the demography of the "Sagarmala" state by relocating the stationed army families over there. Declare Universal Indian rules in the whole of India, no exception.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby nvishal » 13 Feb 2018 16:48



Video from 2014 showing pakistani guerillas sneaking near Indian bunkers and executing Indian soldiers.

Question is,

1) do you blame the indian soldier for being carefree on the battlefield? or

2) do you blame the Pakistanis for being bold and venturing in these missions with camera equipment? One is filming and the others are shooting.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 13 Feb 2018 17:46

The problem is with our goverments over 71 years, it should have been clear in 1947 that we needed to break up Pakistan and there can be no peace with the Jihadi state. Everything in that nation is about Jihad. Unless it is broken up and defanged it will not stop trying to kill Indians.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 13 Feb 2018 18:49

regarding Article 35A it was brought about by a Presidential order dated 14may 1954. It has not been through Parliament. I might observe that Parliament should of necessity have discussed and passed this Article so that it can be a part of the Constitution. No such procedure ( of which I am aware) was followed over the past decades.Now that its validity is being questioned in the Apex Court.
And the lawyers defending Art 35A have been paid the sum of Rs45 lacs out of public money.
source
To defend Article 35-A, the team of four advocates representing Jammu and Kashmir in the Supreme Court charged Rs 45 lakh.
Standing Counsel for the JK at Supreme Court, M Shoeb Alam, in December 2017, wrote a letter to JK Law Department about fee to be paid to the four senior advocates, who represented JK in the apex court in 2017 to defend the Article 35-A.

https://www.kashmirmonitor.in/Details/142831/

on top of it as many as seven thousand + electric connection were allotted to Rohingyas in the area adjoining the military area

7273 electric connections have been provided to #RohingyaIslamists in Jammu
Dy CM @NirmalSinghBJP 's Power Development Dept also providing electric connections to them.

https://twitter.com/Prof_HariOm/status/ ... 7176698880

there is nothing to expect from this govt in the centre and state

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 13 Feb 2018 19:22

HariOm is not a good source as his biases are well known. Article 35A is the key. Unfortunately we have people like Nariman willing to fight for separatists. Hope the petitioners have a battery of equally good lawyers. If it fails in SC will have to wait for numbers in parliament to overturn law as it violates several things.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby IndraD » 13 Feb 2018 19:46

Prof hari Om is another Togadia, his sole objective is to criticise state & central govt without giving solutions. What is evidence this amount was paid? A site only? Besides how can India disconnect electricity supply to an area when Rohingya is an international issue knowing well such a step will be abused by West & Gulf?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby chetak » 14 Feb 2018 06:50

x posted from the terroristan thread

What an insidious agreement and that too one seen as the pinnacle of achievement for a very very mediocre Indian politician, and a two faced international double dealing rogue, an agreement entered into by two jokers who were not even born in the countries that they profess allegiance to.

No wonder the paki musharaff was desperately running, first behind ABV, and then behind his less than mediocre successor, trying to get his OK for a one sided deal that would have sunk India and caused widespread rioting here resulting in the fall of the incumbent govt.

Borders being made irrelevant or simply brains being made irrelevant is the actual question to be asked of the great sardar??

Those Asking For ‘Dialogue With Pakistan’ Better Read This First



Those Asking For ‘Dialogue With Pakistan’ Better Read This First

by Raghav Awasthi, Feb 13, 2018,

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Let us talk to the silent majority of the Kashmir Valley who would still be receptive to the idea of India, and until then, talks of ‘dialogue with Pakistan’ ought to be dismissed summarily.


The history of the Jammu and Kashmir Light Infantry can be traced back to the Pakistani invasion of Kashmir in the winter of 1947. In the face of a determined onslaught by the ostensibly ‘tribal’ invaders, the people of the Kashmir Valley organised themselves into militias in order to mount what was ultimately to be an eminently successful resistance. The birth of these militias was midwifed by cadres of the National Conference, including but not limited to the redoubtable Bakshi Ghulam Mohammed, who later went on to serve as the prime minister of Kashmir after Sheikh Abdullah was deposed following the Kashmir conspiracy case of 1953.

The said militias were initially deployed as a paramilitary force on the Line of Control or LoC (then known as the Ceasefire Line) before they were promoted to the status of a full regiment of the Indian Army in 1976. Like most other regiments of the Indian Army, it draws its rank and file from fixed ethnicities. Almost 50 per cent of its personnel are recruited from amongst the Muslim populace of the Kashmir Valley, while the rest are drawn from the other ethnic groups of the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

The Sujuwan Army camp, which came under attack by the Pakistan-based terror outfit-the Jaish-e-Mohammed, on 10 February 2018, was being occupied by personnel of the regiment and their families at the relevant time. The details of the attack and whether it could be prevented with better preparation and intelligence gathering, need not concern us at the moment and an analysis of the same is best left to defence experts. Having said that, the attack is merely a link in the larger chain of events whereby ethnic Kashmiri Muslims who have chosen to serve their country thereby refusing to act as foot-soldiers for Pakistan’s jihad project, have been targeted. The lynchings of Lt Umer Fayyaz (March 2017) and Ayub Pandith (July 2017) are cases in point and are still relatively fresh in public memory.

The worrying part here though is not that these attacks are taking place. The same are to be expected for the simple reason that since Narendra Modi’s ascent to power in 2014 and Ram Madhav’s appointment as the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) general secretary in charge of Kashmir and North East affairs, a concerted policy of elimination of high profile militant targets like Burhan Wani has been adopted and effectuated with more than a fair measure of success. As a matter of fact, what should concern us is that no less a personage than the Chief Minister of Jammu and Kashmir is making noises about how talks with Pakistan are the only solution to the problem. A visitor from Mars who has but a passing acquaintance with the Indian Constitution and the Constitution of Jammu and Kashmir as well as the Instrument of Accession would be tempted to ask as to what the ‘talks’ are going to achieve and whether after 70 years of talks, India and Pakistan have ever come close to agreeing upon a working solution to the problem, even in theory, leaving aside the question of implementation.

The answer to this question is likely to differ depending upon who it is put to. The average ‘nationalist’ who is likely to be labelled as ‘communal’ would tell you that there is absolutely no point in talking peace with Pakistan given their perfidious record. The garden variety bleeding heart would tell you that the Kashmiris should be given aazaadi. As a matter of fact, a prominent columnist and editor went so far as to advocate secession for Kashmir in 2008 inter alia because India need not concern itself with a region which was not even half as populous as the National Capital Territory of Delhi.

Ostensibly, enlightened travellers on the strategic and Track II circuit from both India and Pakistan would tell you that the solution lies in the ‘Four Point Formula’ that was agreed upon between then Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh and the Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf before the latter was deposed in December 2007. Both, the former Indian premier and the Pakistani military dictator later went on record to state that the formula had been agreed upon in principle at the highest level and it was only the modalities that were left to be worked out before the Lawyers’ Agitation in the winter of 2007 unseated Musharraf. Sanjaya Baru-the former editor of the Financial Express who served as the media advisor to Dr Manmohan Singh during the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) I years, has also attested to the veracity of the assertion in his book The Accidental Prime Minister. He has also gone on record to say that if ever the Kashmir dispute is to be resolved, the template has to be the aforementioned formula. Similar claims have been made by Khurshid Ahmed Kasuri in 2015 in the run up to the launch of his memoirs titled Neither a Hawk or a Dove.

However, in the opinion of the author, the fact of the matter is that if the Four Point Formula, which is something that is bandied about as a concrete outcome of talks in the past, was actually ever acted upon, it would have been a recipe for disaster with respect to India. As for Pakistan, it would merely have been a first in a series of salami tactics that they would have then surely employed in order to sever Kashmir from India. As far as the brave sons and daughters of Jammu and Kashmir who are serving in the Indian security forces and have been targeted in a series of dastardly terrorist attacks of late are concerned, the same would have amounted to nothing less than a shameless sellout. The devil-so to speak-lies in the details!

The Four Point Formula is as follows:

1. Demilitarisation or phased withdrawal of troops
2. There will be no change to the borders. However, people of Jammu & Kashmir will be allowed to move freely across the Line of Control.
3. Self-governance without independence
4. A joint supervision mechanism in Jammu and Kashmir involving India, Pakistan and Kashmir
In the subsequent paragraphs, we shall try and show as to how each and every one of these clauses is a recipe for unqualified disaster and from an Indian point of view, these points could have only been agreed upon by a dispensation that did not have the best interests of the country at heart.

1. Demilitarisation or phased withdrawal of troops: Although this sounds fine in principle, it does not take into account the possibility that in a situation where India scales down its military presence in the Valley, the local administration might be rendered sitting ducks in a situation where militants with the tacit and surreptitious backing of the Pakistani establishment foment trouble. The law enforcement machinery in such a case would be unable to take the action required to bring an expedient situation under control without the assistance of the military and the para military apparatus. Also, it would effectively imply that illegal arms and ammunition would be allowed to flow into Kashmir unabated.

2. Open borders: The second ‘point’ in this Four Point Formula is also as unsustainable and disastrous as the first ‘point’. If there is free movement of people and goods across the LoC then again it would be problematic for India. It is tough for us even now to prevent young Kashmiris from going across the border where they are brainwashed by radical Islamist propaganda. The formula itself does not enjoin any legally binding obligations upon Pakistan to ensure that the aforementioned propaganda is not disseminated in madrassas across the LoC. In this view of the matter, it is difficult to appreciate how this point would be in our interest.

3. Self-governance without independence: Like the other two points, this sounds quite enticing at first blush. However, it would decidedly fall afoul of the principles enshrined under the Basic Structure doctrine of the Indian Constitution. Also, unlike the other two points, the contours of this provision are quite nebulous. It could mean either a reversion to the 1951 position whereby apart from foreign affairs, defence and telecommunications, the writ of the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly reigned supreme over even other matters specified under the Union and Concurrent List of the Seventh Schedule. Equally, it could also mean a new normal which has been described by Mehbooba Mufti of the Peoples Democratic Party as ‘self rule’. Having said all of this, the question that we need to somewhere ask is if it is prudent on our part to allow Islamists, like Akbar Lone (An MLA and a member of the Jammu and Kashmir National Conference) who recently stated on the floor of the assembly that he found the slogan of ‘Pakistan Zindabad’ unpalatable, as he was a ‘Muslim’ first, to take charge of the affairs of Jammu and Kashmir, which in turn have ramifications that transcend the borders of the state itself. Does this not sound suspiciously like allowing the lunatics to take charge of the asylum? We also need to keep in mind that even mainstream politicians of the Kashmir Valley have in the past shown a propensity towards Islamism and thinly veiled majoritarian bigotry. Former governor Jagmohan has quite eloquently described a few of these instances where anti-Hindu bigotry was allowed a free run on the floor of the House in his account of his tenure as the governor of Jammu and Kashmir.

4. The Joint Supervision Mechanism again is constitutionally unsustainable for no other reason but the vastly divergent provisions in the respective constitutions of India and Pakistan. The Constitution of India envisages no such joint governance mechanism with any neighbouring country. It very clearly states that sovereign powers are vested in the people of India who have agreed to abide by the said Constitution. Various entries qua which the state and central government can respectively makes laws have been enumerated in the State List, Union List and the Concurrent List in the Seventh Schedule. There is absolutely no provision for the sharing of these sovereign powers to make laws and to implement the same with Pakistan. If this point were to be implemented, it would require an amendment to the Constitution. Now, the Parliament’s power to amend the Constitution is not at all unbridled and is subject to the judicial discipline of being tested on the touchstone of the doctrine of Basic Structure. It is extremely unlikely, if not impossible for this last point to be implemented as well.

To conclude, it may be fairly stated that ‘talks’ to solve the Kashmir dispute with Pakistan have miserably failed in the past. The crowning achievement of these 70 years of needless discussion with a rogue Islamist neighbour is a constitutionally untenable Four Point Formula that is not only thoroughly inimical to India’s interests but also something that has been rejected by the separatist lobby in the Valley.

To somehow assume that just because talks are taking place, there would be a cessation of violence sounds quite suspiciously like the doctrine of appeasement adopted by the much reviled Right Honourable Neville Chamberlain who was the prime minister of Great Britain around the time Hitler embarked upon his ascent to power. Furthermore, by initiating talks with the Pakistani Establishment, when they are trying to shore up their flagging popularity by hitting us through these terrorist attacks, we would be betraying the memories of the brave Kashmiri men and women, including but not limited to the martyrs of the Sujuwan attack, who have sacrificed their lives for the sake of the founding principles of our country enshrined in our Constitution.

The only manner in which they can be honoured is if we assiduously cultivate and expand the pro-India constituency by directly talking to our people in the Valley. Even if we must have local interlocutors, they need not necessarily be drawn from the ranks of the mainstream parties. There are many common people, verily the silent majority of the Kashmir Valley, especially in the smaller towns and villages who would still be receptive to the idea of India given that many of their compatriots continue to risk their lives for the same. Let us speak to them and until then, talks of ‘dialogue with Pakistan’ ought to be dismissed summarily.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Philip » 14 Feb 2018 11:40

We need to build asap several linked fortress towns as did the emperors of yore,where in safe and secure environs,our Kashmiri citizens,especially displaced Pandits,can return to the valley and live in safe,peaceful surroundings. These settlements,with layers of outer defences to prevent suicide attacks,vehicle bombs,etc. screening those entering and exiting with high levels for security. These would resemble army cantonements ,but would contain the civilian admin. offices,the infrastructure for needs of the civilians from ed. institutions to health,recreation,commercial etc. Built within easy reach of each other so that forces could come to the aid of an fort/town under jihadi attack.This would prevent the kind of attack recently seen at military bases.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 14 Feb 2018 11:57

Apparently the govt has rejected Pundit township plan. Don't know why? Their Kashmir policy has not been very effective.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby arun » 14 Feb 2018 12:22

800% agree with the current Nehru-Gandhi family member who heads the dynastic Congress Party, Rahul Gandhi’s, description of the political alliance between the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the crypto Mohammadden separatist party, the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), as “Opportunistic”:

Soldiers paying with blood for ‘opportunistic PDP-BJP alliance’: Rahul Gandhi attacks Centre

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Aditya_V » 14 Feb 2018 13:06

And what NC his ally Ji?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Shameek » 16 Feb 2018 02:05

Terrorist Attack at CRPF Camp, Pulwama

Days after a gruesome terror attack on Sunjwan Army camp in Jammu and Kashmir that claimed lives of six Army personnel, militants today targeted the CRPF camp in Panzgam Awantipora near Pulwama railway station.
After militants opened fire at the camp, security forces retaliated. Heavy gunbattle is underway and the forces have cordoned off the area.
Sources have confirmed that search operations are currently underway to neutralize militants.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby VKumar » 16 Feb 2018 22:09

arun wrote:800% agree with the current Nehru-Gandhi family member who heads the dynastic Congress Party, Rahul Gandhi’s, description of the political alliance between the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the crypto Mohammadden separatist party, the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), as “Opportunistic”:

Soldiers paying with blood for ‘opportunistic PDP-BJP alliance’: Rahul Gandhi attacks Centre


Ironic coming from a scion of the Nehru family.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby sunnyP » 17 Feb 2018 04:11

It’s depressing that in 2018 it is easier for a Rohingya Muslim to settle in J&K than it is for a Kashmiri Pandit. What a perverted and sick situation.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby brvarsh » 17 Feb 2018 10:25

Because Rohingyas are ready to collaborate with separatists, Pandits of course won't. When this happens it only means we are only championing as a reactive force in the state, we are not aggressive enough to change the situation that facilitates Pandit's return and return safely.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Muns » 17 Feb 2018 14:35

Folks, on that note, we’ve produced two brief interviews of Kashmiri Pandits reliving their memories of the valley to bring attention to their plight again. Trying to highlight here the thirst for blood by the Arabized valley against Pandits on that fateful day of Jan 19 1990. Also trying to highlight how numerous govts have promised resettlement but nothing so far as yet.

Sainik colony is really going nowhere. In any case, please view, Like, Subscribe and Share. I am hopeful that we will be able to bring more videos next month if our Journalist manages to make it to the valley. Take a look at other videos as well.

Also any feedback please let me know to improve things, by using the contact link on the page or message me here.

Thank you again.

Forgotten Promises, Exiled Kashmir Pandits relive their flight from the valley. Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=octUCDz3zbY&t=494s

Forgotten Promises, Exiled Kashmir Pandits relive their flight from the valley. Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lqJcmc5TCE&t=26s

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby brvarsh » 18 Feb 2018 01:25

I don't understand why Pandits live persecuted? If an enemy kills soldiers of one Paltan, its a Paltan that takes the revenge. Its an existential pride. Pandits want to go back and live in Kashmir with honor and with right, they have to take the lead to take it back what belongs to them. The entire nation is behind them our Army is behind them. Kashmiri Pandits have to join the Army different Para military forces and put those under their thumb who dared to throw them out of what rightfully belongs to them.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Karthik S » 18 Feb 2018 07:09

brvarsh wrote:I don't understand why Pandits live persecuted? If an enemy kills soldiers of one Paltan, its a Paltan that takes the revenge. Its an existential pride. Pandits want to go back and live in Kashmir with honor and with right, they have to take the lead to take it back what belongs to them. The entire nation is behind them our Army is behind them. Kashmiri Pandits have to join the Army different Para military forces and put those under their thumb who dared to throw them out of what rightfully belongs to them.


This sounds rather childish and ludicrous. Army and para are not some gangs you join to take personal revenge. Entire nation is behind them? Just like we were when they were either killed or driven out?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby brvarsh » 18 Feb 2018 09:25

Karthik S wrote:
brvarsh wrote:I don't understand why Pandits live persecuted? If an enemy kills soldiers of one Paltan, its a Paltan that takes the revenge. Its an existential pride. Pandits want to go back and live in Kashmir with honor and with right, they have to take the lead to take it back what belongs to them.


This sounds rather childish and ludicrous.

I guess it was childish but when I think about it and see no action by the subsequent governments that does anything for them it makes my blood boil.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby CRamS » 18 Feb 2018 11:20

arun wrote:800% agree with the current Nehru-Gandhi family member who heads the dynastic Congress Party, Rahul Gandhi’s, description of the political alliance between the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the crypto Mohammadden separatist party, the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), as “Opportunistic”:

Soldiers paying with blood for ‘opportunistic PDP-BJP alliance’: Rahul Gandhi attacks Centre


What is this Pappu logic you agree with? I mean its one thing to oppose BJP PDP alliance for whatever reason. But what has that alliance got to do with martyrdom of soldiers? You mean TSP would have behaved any differently? Of course if Pappu and his slaves were in power, they would have initiated talks with TSP along the lines of MMS-Sonia 4 point sell out formula, during which time TSP may have temporarily with-held its pigLeTs. Is that the scenario you support?

The fact is when J&K elections threw open a fractured verdict, ModiJi made the statesman-like decision to enter into an alliance with PDP to provide some stable governance. But a vile collusion of TSP, and NC/Congoon traitors were hell bent on playing spoiler. TSP cannot accept any sense of normalcy in the valley, while for Congoons/NC, BJP succeeding in bringing peace to the valley would have sounded death knell for them. Of course, I would not minimize the traitors among PDP who are possibly playing a double game.

But at the outset, one cannot deny that ModiJi genuinely tried something out of the box. He formed this alliance and gave a free hand to army to punish TSP as it chooses. But I agree both policies have failed to deliver the required results. TSP has so far manged to thwart ModiJi's gambit on both counts: valley is burning, and aggressive defense on the LoC has at best delivered mixed results: lots of TSPA and their pigLeTs have met their 72, but India also has paid a price and more importantly, aggressive defense has not deterred TSP.

What alternative do those like NC and Congoons shouting out this alliance have other than talks with TSP along the lines of the MMS 4 point formula?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 18 Feb 2018 18:11

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jammu- ... 45662.html

sad that the J&k Govt is now trying to book displaced residents of the border areas of Jammu on sedition charges for criticizing the ruling dispensation.
excertps
J&K to book shelling victims ‘for sedition’

Incredible, but true. Authorities in Jammu and Kashmir are preparing the ground to book victims of border shelling for sedition following their outburst against BJP leaders for “abandoning” them at the crucial time.
Shockingly, the local police are collecting evidence to book grieving sons of a deceased ex-serviceman who had criticised the saffron party leadership for treating border residents as “cannon fodder to reap political benefits”.


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Suresh Kumar Choudhary of Kamore Camp in Samba’s Ramgarh sector and son Punit had sustained serious injuries in Pakistan shelling on January 19. Suresh, 50, died on February 5 allegedly because of non-availability of medical facilities,
Overcome by grief, the deceased’s sons Punit and Prashant reportedly made “derogatory” remarks against the BJP leadership while regretting they had voted for the BJP that had promised to restore peace and tranquility in border areas.
A video that went viralshowed the mourning family members using abusive language for the BJP leadership for “abandoning” them in their hour of grief. “We have reports that some persons raised anti-national slogans at the cremation. We have taken note of it in the DDR (daily diary report), " a senior police officer at the Ramgarh police station told The Tribune.
He said a formal FIR was yet to be registered but cops had been told to collect evidence and book the culprits for sedition. “Those involved in sloganeering will be identified and subsequently an FIR registered,” he said. “Humiliated by border residents, a furious BJP leadership has decided to stifle dissent in Jammu area,” sources claimed.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 18 Feb 2018 20:23

Tribune is a pro-Congress publication. Take it with a pinch of salt.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Prem » 19 Feb 2018 09:57

Rat crying in front of bats,

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby jaysimha » 19 Feb 2018 10:48

The Union Minister for Defence, Smt. Nirmala Sitharaman addressing at a press conference after Sunjuwan Military Station attack, at Jammu Military Station, on February 12, 2018. The GOC Rising Star Corps, Lt. Gen. Y.V.K. Mohan is also seen.CNR :109532 Photo ID :122071
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Later interaction with the families and the soldiers....

we can see the sincerity in the eyes....from what i came to know from various sources, MRM, is holding tightly the defense PSUs/OFBs/DRDOs bosses by their collar to deliver things on time. My classmate, who runs a business of his own, told me even when she was commerce min. she could take on ITO and ilk with her left hand to turn table in favor of India.

There may be many reasons why she was appointed as MRM. I came to know when I was chatting to Lt. Gen who was part of 1972 operation, was that the porkis started to retrieve after coming to face Indian aggression and were ashamed because they would be killed /captured by a army lead by a women i.e. Mrs. IG, at the helm. May be other can verify/debate.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 19 Feb 2018 18:38

this is disgusting, appeasement, whatever.
if a woman belonging to J&K marries outside J&K and then returns to stay in J&K she or her children or spouse are not entitled to stay. but things are different if you are a terrorist. read on

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 975643.cms
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The Centre is working on a plan for proper rehabilitation of nearly 350 Kashmiri ex-terrorists who received arms training in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and Pakistan between 1989 and 2009 but eventually returned to Jammu & Kashmir, encouraged by the state government's 2010 policy for return of ex-militants.
A major benefit under consideration is for the Pakistan/PoK-born wives and children of these ex-terrorists, who joined them during travel to J&K via the 'undesignated' Nepal route, and may involve the issue of documents to legalise their stay in India.
Sources said the Centre's representative for J&K dialogue Dineshwar Sharma is studying options for economic rehabilitation of the returned ex-terrorists and conferment of residency rights or citizenship to their wives, who they had married during their stay in Pakistan/PoK, as well as children born to them prior to return to J&K.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 19 Feb 2018 20:41

It is a rehash of old failed policies in J&K. Probably done at the behest of the Mufti govt. But what is being given in return?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 20 Feb 2018 17:54

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... r-5070594/
this appears to be the PDP playing to its constituency. wanting talks to start with Pak

China expanding its role in J-K, has adopted JeM, says state Minister
Naeem Akhtar said that China is on its way to assuming a "much bigger role in Kashmir” and the Jaish-e-Mohammad, the group responsible for most of the terror attacks, has been veritably “adopted” by beijing.

and this
“All the big attacks inside J&K or even outside during last more than three years are attributed to Jaish-e-Mohammad, a group led by Masood Azhar,” said Akhtar. “How can one not see that he (Masood Azhar) has been adopted by China? There are reports of some action taken against Hafiz Saeed. What about Masood Azhar? Even a lesser figure like Salahudin has been listed as a global terrorist in UN but the great wall of China has been erected around Azhar. China has been regularly vetoing attempts to designate him (Azhar) as a terrorist in United Nations. Such things don’t happen without reason. Why only him? Why not others? Why didn’t China block such moves in UN against other people? The China connection needs to be understood”.

the past record
J&K Police said that Jaish is responsible for every fidayeen attack over the last year. Though Jaish was launched with a suicide attack in Srinagar in May 2000, it disappeared from the militancy scene in 2003 after a crackdown by Pakistan. It returned, police say, in 2014. Few of the major Jaish attacks are Tangdhar, Kupwara army camp (November 2015), attack on Lethpora camp (December 31, 2017), Pulwama attack (August 27, 2017) and the attack on 182 Batallion of BSF outside Srinagar airport (October 3, 2017).

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby prahaar » 21 Feb 2018 14:25

Excerpt from Lt-Gen Syed Ata Hasnain (Retd) article: "The public perception over the FIR against Major Aditya has been mostly emotive. An FIR is the best action to be taken. But the Centre needs to review AFSPA for better soldier protection."

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/logic-of-fir-in-major-aditya-s-case/547039.html

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby nachiket » 22 Feb 2018 06:15

An excellent article by the good General as usual. My reaction to the FIR was also "emotive" as he says, as was that of several posters here. I hadn't thought about how the presence of the FIR might actually help if someone got upto legal mischief in the future. That is assuming the case is fairly investigated and the suspect State Government does not meddle in it.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 22 Feb 2018 10:58

refer the news of the FIR targets shelling victim’s kin for ‘objectionale’ slogans at cremation
a DDR (daily diary report) was turned into a FIR
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“We have registered an FIR under Section 124/A of the RPC (sedition charges) against unidentified persons for shouting objectionable slogans during the cremation of Suresh Kumar Choudhary (a shelling victim),” said Ramgarh SHO Bansi Lal Sharma while disclosing that the police had approached the court for getting permission to turn the DDR into a formal FIR for sedition.
As reported earlier, local cops were under pressure from higher-ups to book victims of border shelling for sedition as they “dared” to use abusive language against BJP leaders while giving vent to their grief at Suresh’s cremation on February 5. Suresh had got injured in shelling on January 19.
Sources said although the police had registered an FIR against unidentified persons, the real target was the family of the deceased ex-servicemen Suresh Choudhary. The shelling victim’s kin had minced no words in targeting the state and central leadership of the BJP for betraying border residents and using them as “cannon fodder to reap political benefits”.
Ironically, the family which is being victimised has an Army background. While Suresh Choudhary retired from the Army as havildar, his elder son is also in the Army and deployed in the militancy-plagued Kashmir valley.
Highly placed sources said initially the local police was not ready to pursue the case as they knew that the deceased ex-serviceman’s family members had made the “derogatory” remarks against the BJP leadership during an emotional outburst due to nonavailability of medical facilities. However, due to pressure from higher-ups, the police had to register an FIR, the sources added.
According to the document in the possession of The Tribune, the Ramgarh Police moved an application before the Court, seeking permission to book “unidentified persons who tried to create a law and order situation and used slogans against the government servants present”.
However, the FIR that has been registered has slapped sedition charges and hasn’t just restricted the incident to a law and order problem.


http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jammu- ... 47508.html
this is a bit rich from a Govt which
1. wants to release stone pelters in Kashmir.
2. Grant citizenship rights to familes of terrorists in Pakistan
3. does not use the provisions of the Ranbir Penal Code against the regular actions of anti national elements in Kashmir
4. refuses to grant citizenship of J&K to familes of J&K citizens married outside J&K in India.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby brvarsh » 23 Feb 2018 00:03

Why are we sinking in the mud what was created for us? Its time to trifurcate J&K otherwise we won't be able to save it the way we like it.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Shameek » 23 Feb 2018 02:34

CBI likely to crack down on arms racket in Jammu and Kashmir soon

The CBI is likely to soon crack down on one of the biggest gunrunning rackets aided by some Jammu and Kashmir officials, with the Rajasthan Police seeking a central agency probe into over 5,000 fake arms licences issued in the last 10 years.

The Anti-Terror Squad (ATS) of the Rajasthan Police has identified officials in the J&K home department and in the offices of district magistrates and district collectors in Kathua, Kupwara and Jammu who are suspected to have issued licenes to the Mohammad Zuber gang.

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J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Peregrine » 25 Feb 2018 15:25

X Posted on the Terroristan Thread

VIWASHTA KA NAAM - TERRORISTANI JERNAIL!

AJK starts evacuation plan amid fear of Indian attack

ISLAMABAD: Following recent provocation by Indian forces at the Line of Control (LoC) resulting in the loss of civilians, the Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) government has readied evacuation plan to relocate locals to safe areas.

The decision has been taken amidst no let-up in LoC ceasefire violations by the Indian forces in the recent days, sources in AJK government told The Express Tribune.

Prime Minister AJK Raja Farooq Haider has directed the district machinery and local authorities in the areas located along LoC to make standby arrangements for relocating thousands of people whose lives have come under direct threat after the tension at border.

On a small-scale, the public in the villages directly affected by Indian military’s firing have been relocated. Further the evacuation activities would be extended to the sector-level if LoC ceasefire violations did not stop, it is learnt.

The instances of ceasefire violations by the Indian forces recorded an alarming increase since the start of the month February following which the AJK government has readied evacuation plan, says a cabinet member of the AJK PM.

As latest, the ceasefire violations from Indian side were reported from Battal, Rawlakot, Kotli and Khuiratta sectors.

Last week, the PM AJK ordered state honour for the martyrs of Indian aggression at LoC. All deputy commissioners were instructed to ensure the best treatment of the injured and funerals of martyrs with state honour, a statement from PM AJK said here last week.

The instructions were issued in the aftermath of Indian forces’ attack at civilian van carrying school children in Battal sector in which the van driver was martyred.

In retaliation, Pakistan Army destroyed the said post in which five Indian soldiers were killed.

“Indian army attack on the school van driver by the sniper gun is the worst example of the deception. Indian Army is the worst army around the globe who targets innocent civilians including women, children and old men,” PM Haider said while addressing a press conference in Islamabad few days ago.

“There is no such example in the world that an army targets civilians, especially children and ambulances, but Indian Army does these besides their atrocities in the occupied valley. The Pakistan Army in response never targeted any civilian and is the best professional army, the whole Kashmiri nation is with the Pakistan armed forces.”

Haider said he directed the concerned departments to ensure availability of ambulances in the far-flung areas near LoC. “For that purpose, I have also sent the ambulance of Prime Minister Secretariat.”

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 25 Feb 2018 19:01

the demographic changes wrought about in Jammu and particularly the Bathindi area which is adjoining the Sunjuwan camp has its effect. anti national elements using the proximity of the KM and Rohingi population blend in whilst perpetrating these acts on the army camp
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jammu- ... 49113.html
Some miscreants on Thursday threw stones on post no.12 of the Sunjuwan military station here. The post is adjacent to the area which was the suspected entry point of the militants who attacked the station on February 10.
The incident took place after the National Investigation Agency (NIA) registered a case in the attack and started investigation.
Following stone-throwing, the Army lodged an FIR at the Trikuta Nagar police station under Section 336. “The police have conducted checks in the area and have questioned some suspects. No arrests have been made so far,” said a source.
This is for the first time that a military station in Jammu has been attacked with stones, putting a question mark on the safety of the high security zones. Such incidents are common in Kashmir valley, but not in Jammu.
Since the February 10 fidayeen attack, the Army has been given a free hand to fire at any suspected movement observed around any installation. Today, however, the Army exhibited restraint.
The police said a case had been registered and investigation had started.
“We are on the job and trying to ascertain what happened. Houses are constructed at the site from where the Army said stones were thrown,” said Arun Jamwal, Sub-Divisional Police Officer, Jammu south.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Falijee » 26 Feb 2018 02:34

As shelling continues, Pakistan army asks Uri residents to shift to safer places

In twin villages of Uri's Silkote and Churanda five residential houses were damaged on Saturday morning in heavy exchange of artillery between the two sides.
Chaotic scenes were witnessed in north Kashmir’s Uri after from other side of the Line of Control Pakistani army started making announcements through public address systems asking Uri residents to vacate their homes on Saturday.
Evacuation of local population has been started on war footing basis in Uri , said an official.


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