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J&K News and Discussion - 2016

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby gauravsh » 08 Aug 2017 10:50

sum wrote:These must be the CAT( Concealed Anti-Terrorist) elements which are mentioned in many reports. Wonder if they are Ikhwanis or SF personnel:
Are Ikhwanis still in play ?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby DrRatnadip » 08 Aug 2017 18:50

http://m.indiatoday.in/lite/story/supre ... 21124.html

Supreme Court admits plea challenging Jammu and Kashmir's Article 370 status, issues notice to Centre


The Supreme Court today admitted a plea challenging the legality of Article 370. The plea challenges the special status granted to Jammu and Kashmir under Article 370 of the Constitution.

The plea says that Article 370 has lapsed and urged that the separate constitution of Jammu and Kashmir be declared illegal. The Supreme Court has issued notice to the Centre, seeking response to the plea.

The plea in Supreme Court comes at a time when a debate on Article 35A of the Constitution, which entitles the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly to define Permanent Residents of the state, is brewing in political circles.

National Conference chief Farooq Abdullah said that abrogation of Article 35A will lead to a "revolt". "When it will come to that decision, you will see this mass rising. Don't forget when the Amarnath land row happened in 2008, people rose overnight," he said.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 08 Aug 2017 19:42

They are just trying to scare the govt from moving ahead with abrogating Art35A. There is unlikely to be any more trouble than what there already is. Those in the business of separation will cry foul. Govt should go ahead firmly and scrap 35A. This will be one more progress on core issues.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby CRamS » 08 Aug 2017 21:30

Yesterday I saw a KM Paki, Gohar Geelani who is the darling of all of p-secs who asked why not have a debate on plebiscite. He even said Chincoms are stakeholders in Kashmir. One thing I see with these KM Pakis is the cockiness with which they brazenly make their demands. They are of the firm believe that with TSP, Chincoms (and of course US/UK) firmly behind them, India can do didly squat. And notice the guy when he comes on DDM, he will puke the usual crap about plebiscite, then have a triumphant cheeky grin on his face, and then goes back to texting or whatever on his phone, while the Indians on the show fret and fume. Just as we say TSPA and TSP RAPE mus pay a price for their terror, so also, its high time Indian govt raise the costs for these KM elites like Gohar Geelani, another Islamist prof, I guess his name is Wahid Siddique, who comes on DDM and peddles conspiracy theories like Amarnath attack was done by Indian army etc.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Gagan » 09 Aug 2017 00:16

CRamS
You know this.
These guys are so bold because they don't have anything left to lose. By making outrageous demands, anything - any middle ground, any concessions made is a gain for them.
They then reset and ask for more

This is the same funda as some people demand more and more, appeal to the sense of justice, human rights, mediation, every trick in the book

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Falijee » 09 Aug 2017 07:14

NIA Summons Triggers Chest Pains :D

NIA questions Syed Ali Shah Geelani’s sons in terror funding case

Updated: August 8, 2017

National Investigative Agency (NIA) on Tuesday questioned Hurriyat Conference chairman Syed Ali Shah Geelani’s sons, Naeem and Naseem, in terror funding case. On July 31, Naeem was scheduled to visit New Delhi to appear before NIA for interrogation but according to a PTI report, he was admitted to the SKIMS Hospital after he complained of chest pain. While Naeem is the head of the separatist conglomerate Tehreek-e-Hurriyat, Syed Ali Shah Geelani’s younger son Naseem works at an agricultural university in Srinagar.
On July 30, the NIA conducted raids at two places belonging to a close aide of Geelani in Jammu. Devinder Singh Behal, chairperson of Jammu Kashmir Peace Forum was also detained. The NIA also arrested seven Kashmiri separatists in connection with a case of alleged terror funding from Pakistan. Geelani’s son-in-law Altaf Ahmad Shah alias Funtoosh, Ayaz Akbar Khandey, Raja Mehrajuddin Kalwal, Peer Saifullah, Aftab Hilali Shah alias Shahid-ul-Islam, Naeem Khan and Farooq Ahmad Dar alias Bitta Karate are the seven arrested.
An NIA officer said, “We have ascertained financial trails which are leading to some of these accused. It has also been ascertained that some of the funding has been coming from Pakistan.” The NIA spokesman alleged that these men were raising, receiving funds through illegal means, including hawala, for funding separatist and terrorist activities in Jammu and Kashmir. “They were using funds for causing disruption in Kashmir Valley by way of pelting stones on security forces, burning schools, damaging public property and waging war against India.” The agency said that while conducting raids in Jammu and Kashmir, Delhi and Haryana, it has recovered documents, electronic devices, cash and valuables worth several crores of rupees.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby DrRatnadip » 09 Aug 2017 14:54

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/mehbo ... 09605.html

Mehbooba Mufti-Farooq Abdullah meet over Article 35A shows how crucial the issue is for Kashmir

On Tuesday, Jammu and Kashmir chief minister Mehbooba Mufti surprised everyone by dropping at the residence of National Conference president and former Union minister Farooq Abdullah at his Srinagar residence to discuss the prevailing crisis over Article 35A of the Indian Constitution that has been challenged in the Supreme Court.

According to reports, Abdullah has suggested to the chief minister that she should consult other parties with an aim to create a wider consensus among “like-minded parties in the battle to prevent Article 35A being struck down in the Supreme Court.”
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The Centre, whenever such an eventuality has arisen in past in the apex court, has always defended the case of the Jammu and Kashmir :evil: . But Mufti seems to have been pushed to the wall in this case by the manner in which the country's attorney general, obviously representing the Centre's point of view, called for a "larger debate" on the issue, casting an ominous shadow on the future of the alliance.

[I think all opportunistic Kashmiri politicians have sensed we are upto something which is prompting them to take prophylactic actions..]

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 09 Aug 2017 20:07

Going through the judiciary is a double-edged sword. It means the political leadership is chickening out from taking a decision. Judiciary is full of progressives. Decisions are not predictable.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Gagan » 09 Aug 2017 20:12

They fear that their gravy train is about to crash.

It is this exclusivity given to them by 370 & 35A, that they misuse to be the arbiters of kashmir. They are misusing this to make money, taking a pro-separatist stance, every time the gravy train starts to dry up.

Enough is enough already! India has lost too many lives in this nonsense at the hands of these charlatans. Too many lives have been uprooted.
This special status for J&K needs to end at the earliest!

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby pankajs » 09 Aug 2017 20:24

Supratik wrote:Going through the judiciary is a double-edged sword. It means the political leadership is chickening out from taking a decision. Judiciary is full of progressives. Decisions are not predictable.

Going through Judiciary is less prone to politicking therefore less chance of political grandstanding and political party backed chaos. Same with quota politics. Same with RJB.

It is an easier way out for the politicos and can be called chickening out. The Executive and legislative options will always remain on the table if the will is there.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 09 Aug 2017 20:40

My problem is what if the judge is a Nehruvite and they are aplenty. I think brute legislative power should be used even if there is short-term backlash. The people are with the govt on this. The President can declare Art 35A null and void. Leaving it to the judiciary leaves it to chance. I hope this has been thought through.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby sudeepj » 09 Aug 2017 20:59

Unfortunately, there has been a judicial coup in India too, we were too distracted to notice. The people are no longer sovereign and even constitution amendments can be struck down using the entirely arbitrary 'basic structure of the constitution'. Even if the relevant laws/constitution amendments were passed in the parliament, they would surely be challenged in the courts and the final decision be taken there. The current approach is only going directly to the last step.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Marten » 09 Aug 2017 21:05

Next CJ is dyed in the wool Congi. Look up family connections. Can't be clearer that we are under siege.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 09 Aug 2017 21:10

I hope the timing is right.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ramana » 09 Aug 2017 21:24

3 more terrorists killed.
At this rate, Allah will have to outsource raisins to Chinese who are good at fake products.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby brvarsh » 10 Aug 2017 02:03

ramana wrote:3 more terrorists killed.
At this rate, Allah will have to outsource raisins to Chinese who are good at fake products.


And whats different this time is these are all high value terrorists not some just trained types.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby deejay » 10 Aug 2017 09:01

ramana wrote:3 more terrorists killed.
At this rate, Allah will have to outsource raisins to Chinese who are good at fake products.


Well, raisins from China for 03 newly "Hoorified" piglets? Are the Pakis going Cheap? :D

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby niran » 10 Aug 2017 09:23

brvarsh wrote:And whats different this time is these are all high value terrorists not some just trained types.

if stone pelters and minor piglets deaths are counted the score for 2017 is 187 as opposed to 130ish in media if caught live are added it is 200 plus

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby chetak » 10 Aug 2017 14:59

Marten wrote:Next CJ is dyed in the wool Congi. Look up family connections. Can't be clearer that we are under siege.


Need big brown hairy testimonials.

extremely doubtful if this guy is appropriately specced to take on MAD.

and certainly not easy to butt heads with guys who have working majorities in both LS and RS.

NJC is there somewhere in all the pending agenda, for sure.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby pankajs » 10 Aug 2017 15:28

Unless the guy is squeaky clean there is always a way to meet somewhere in the middle. Politics is the art of possibilities.

One so called *seekooler*,*liberal*, *progressive* rag was ranting on this guy and that in itself is interesting. Seems there was a complain of land grabbing in the past.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby anupmisra » 10 Aug 2017 17:29

Paki rants again.
India trying to convert Kashmir into a Muslim minority region: FO

Foreign Office (FO) on Thursday alleged that India was trying to convert the region into a Muslim minority region.
"Indian forces are committing crimes against humanity which have resulted in the deaths of 15 innocent people in the past week"


Yes, innocent people firing AK47s were martyred by the inhuman yindoo army of millions. Why did they have to fire back?

https://www.dawn.com/news/1350763/india ... -region-fo

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Falijee » 10 Aug 2017 21:11

CROSS POSTED FROM STFUP

India trying to convert Kashmir into a Muslim minority region: FO :((

Every once in a while, the Paki FO likes to "play this broken record" and play the "victim card". They should "Eff Off" Some of the Readers' Comments are telling !

Desi Dimag
about 5 hours ago

Once Kashmir was a Hindu land.

Joe
about 5 hours ago

First you must worry about minority ration (sic) I'm Pakistan before you talk about anyone else. From 22% in 47 to juist 1.5 today.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby DrRatnadip » 10 Aug 2017 23:43

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/mehboob ... 007255.cms

Mehbooba Mufti meets Rajnath Singh amid debate over J&K special status

NEW DELHI: Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Mehbooba Mufti on Thursday met Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh amid reports that she had come to the national capital to drum up support for preventing attempts to remove special status to the state under the Constitution.
The meeting lasted for nearly 45 minutes, officials said without elaborating about the topics that were discussed.[ I think they are worried about Demonetization type sudden change in status.. They also know whatever "uprising" will be there it can be contained..]. :twisted:

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby DrRatnadip » 11 Aug 2017 17:29

http://www.timesnownews.com/india/artic ... tion/71556

Time to say goodbye to Article 370: J&K BJP spokesperson

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 11 Aug 2017 17:40

These are all pressure tactics. The side that can hold its breadth longer will win. KMs will fight it tooth and nail. But if it must be done it should be done.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby pankajs » 11 Aug 2017 17:44

When the time for BJP-PDP split comes this will be the excuse to push the alliance apart. BJP will push the change and PDP will break the alliance on the issue. It will not come a second before BJP is ready.

Both will get what each want. BJP fulfills its promise and PDP an issue to go to the people and agitate against the center.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 11 Aug 2017 18:05

Electorally BJP constituency is different in Jammu and now Ladakh. So no problem as far as elections are concerned.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Marten » 11 Aug 2017 19:10

Unless the number of people living in Jammy and Ladakh magically increase, there can be no change in the numbers in the state assembly. Getting control of the legislature will require buying out whichever PDP or NC MLAs they can, in addition to winning O er the rest of the populace. Moreover, if possible, we need to find a way to split NC and PDP vote base.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 11 Aug 2017 20:14

there is a catch. there was no alliance in the last assembly election. they could gang together in jammu to stop splitting muslim vote. but it is a risk worth taking.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby sudeepj » 11 Aug 2017 22:32

Djakir Musa surrounded in CASO. Word on twitter.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby anupmisra » 11 Aug 2017 22:36

DrRatnadip wrote:http://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/jammu-and-kashmir-pdp-bjp-article-370-35-a-national-integration/71556

Time to say goodbye to Article 370: J&K BJP spokesperson


My suggestion:

Create two separate states (Kashmir and Jammu) and one federally administered territory (Ladakh). Remove article 370 from the Jammu and Ladakh constitutions. Remove article 35A from Kashmir constitution. Repopulate J&L.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 11 Aug 2017 22:39

won't help. the action is in the valley and they will keep it burning. need to remove both articles from entire state. no half measures after full blown jihad.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby CRamS » 11 Aug 2017 22:41

Yesterday, Seshadri ChraiJi was saying that there is nothing, nada, zilch in the instrument of ascension that is conditional. So 35A is not binding. To which a Congoon fomer supreme court justice Dushyant Dave (or Dubey?) was mocking and laughing ChariJi off. As usual the Paki KM on the show, Junaid Matto was strident referring to the instrument of ascension as "your piece of paper", and of course Omar Abdullah's keep was egging the traitors along with soft ball questions and asking loaded questions to ChariJi and of course accusing BJP which is her customary leitmotif. And there was another traitor later, Sugata Bose of TMC who sleeps with some Paki prof, who, at a Asia society event I attended several years ago was peddling 'joint sovereignty' to the nodding approval of the former US amby honchos (well done beta was their message). Bose puke refers to BJP nationalism as aggressive, militaristic, and arrogant.

Leaving aside all the noise, is ChariJi correct that instrument of ascension was unconditional? And if so, why do people as qualifies as Dave/Dubey make a mockery of such a claim?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 11 Aug 2017 23:26

Don't know if IE is lying or the govt loosing nerves.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... h-4791992/

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby DrRatnadip » 11 Aug 2017 23:44

Supratik wrote:Don't know if IE is lying or the govt loosing nerves.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... h-4791992/

Maybe Mufti is lying..

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby chetak » 12 Aug 2017 00:07

CRamS wrote:Yesterday, Seshadri ChraiJi was saying that there is nothing, nada, zilch in the instrument of ascension that is conditional. So 35A is not binding. To which a Congoon fomer supreme court justice Dushyant Dave (or Dubey?) was mocking and laughing ChariJi off. As usual the Paki KM on the show, Junaid Matto was strident referring to the instrument of ascension as "your piece of paper", and of course Omar Abdullah's keep was egging the traitors along with soft ball questions and asking loaded questions to ChariJi and of course accusing BJP which is her customary leitmotif. And there was another traitor later, Sugata Bose of TMC who sleeps with some Paki prof, who, at a Asia society event I attended several years ago was peddling 'joint sovereignty' to the nodding approval of the former US amby honchos (well done beta was their message). Bose puke refers to BJP nationalism as aggressive, militaristic, and arrogant.

Leaving aside all the noise, is ChariJi correct that instrument of ascension was unconditional? And if so, why do people as qualifies as Dave/Dubey make a mockery of such a claim?


Sugata Bose of TMC who sleeps with some Paki prof,

Sugata Bose of TMC is married to paki amreki author, historian ayesha jalal. she is also a tenured prof in some amreki univ.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby anupmisra » 12 Aug 2017 00:15

Supratik wrote:won't help. the action is in the valley and they will keep it burning. need to remove both articles from entire state. no half measures after full blown jihad.


I believe it will, if one works out the minor quirks. Trying to wholesale remove article 370 from J&K constitution will be hard. Pakis are only focused on K and not J/L. They don't care about the Hindus or the Buddhists. That is why separate the two into three.

Jammu and Ladakh will be a good start. Kashmir will take longer (KM are a breed apart, and thus, must be separated). If Indian policy continues to combine J with K, J & L will continue to economically suffer. Changing the population mix is the goal (as the chinese have shown it, and so have the pakis in GB and PoK). Trying to politically deal with Jammu & Kashmir as one unit runs the risks of inevitable roadblocks from all sides. People in Jammu and Ladakh will be amenable to removing article 370 and 35A but not the valley kashmiris.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Rudradev » 12 Aug 2017 00:53

chetak wrote:
Sugata Bose of TMC who sleeps with some Paki prof,

Sugata Bose of TMC is married to paki amreki author, historian ayesha jalal. she is also a tenured prof in some amreki univ.


His sister is Sarmila Bose. Hardcore Islampasand Sepoy whose mission in life is to whitewash and falsely diminish the magnitude of the Pakistan Army's genocide in East Pakistan, 1970-71.

Ironically both are descendants of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby brvarsh » 12 Aug 2017 00:55

Supratik wrote:won't help. the action is in the valley and they will keep it burning. need to remove both articles from entire state. no half measures after full blown jihad.

Important milestone is if this motion to scrap article 370/35A is hailed in the Jammu and Ladakh area that many elements in the state would want not to happen. Doing it in parts risks ineffectiveness and doing it in the entire state in one go without building a politically viable force of native Jammu and Laddakh would only backfire.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby chetak » 12 Aug 2017 01:51

Rudradev wrote:
chetak wrote:
Sugata Bose of TMC who sleeps with some Paki prof,

Sugata Bose of TMC is married to paki amreki author, historian ayesha jalal. she is also a tenured prof in some amreki univ.


His sister is Sarmila Bose. Hardcore Islampasand Sepoy whose mission in life is to whitewash and falsely diminish the magnitude of the Pakistan Army's genocide in East Pakistan, 1970-71.

Ironically both are descendants of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose.



he is also among those who hounded Sswamy out of harvard


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