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J&K: Turbulence by Design - Ajit Kumar Singh

SOUTH ASIA INTELLIGENCE REVIEW
Volume 15, No. 48, May 29, 2017
The Security Forces (SFs) killed eight terrorists, including Hizb-ul-Mujahideen's (HM) incumbent ‘Kashmir Commander' Sabzar Ahmad Bhat, in two separate encounters in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) on May 27, 2017. In the first encounter, SFs killed six terrorists along the Line of Control (LoC) in the Rampur sector of Baramulla District. In another encounter the same day, SFs eliminated Sabzar Ahmad Bhat along with another HM terrorist in the Tral Area of Pulwama District. Further, on May 28, Army shot dead a militant along the LoC in Poonch District. Earlier, on May 26, 2017, the Army foiled a Pakistan Army Border Action Team (BAT) attack along the LoC in the Uri sector of Baramulla District, killing two BAT personnel. According to reports, the BAT team had penetrated 400 metres beyond the LoC. During the course of the week, between May 20 and May 27, 2017, the SFs eliminated at least 13 terrorists in J&K.

According to partial data compiled by the South Asia Terrorism Portal (SATP), at least 60 terrorists have already been killed during the first four months and 28 days of the current year (data till May 28, 2017). During the corresponding period of the previous year, SFs had eliminated 53 terrorists. Significantly, this is the highest number of terrorists killed in this period (the first four months and 28 days of the year) since 2010, when at least 115 terrorists were killed in this interregnum.

SFs have upped the ante against the terrorists after suffering increasing losses through 2016, more so in the second half of the year, as well as in the current year. The 88 SF fatalities recorded in 2016 were the highest in this category, on year on year basis, since 2009, when 90 personnel were killed. SFs have already lost 25 personnel in the current year, thus far. During the corresponding period of 2016, fatalities in this category stood at 15. It was way back in 2010 that the SFs had lost a higher number of personnel, 37, during the same period (the first four months and 28 days of the year).

The increased engagement between SFs and terrorists on the ground is indicative of the deteriorating situation in the State in evidence since the second half of 2016. J&K has already recorded 25 fatalities among civilians, the highest number during this period since 2008, at 26. It is pertinent, however, that despite the surge in overall fatalities, as compared to 2015, 2016 recorded the lowest number of civilian fatalities, 14, since the insurgency began in 1998. Nine of 14 civilian fatalities recorded in 2016 were in the second half of the year, as were 58 of the total 88 SF fatalities.

The killing of the HM 'commander' Burhan Wani in an encounter on July 8, 2016, and the subsequent orchestration of street violence – backed by Pakistan-based terrorist formations and covert Pakistani support – has had a cascading effect on the State. Flawed policies and the abject failure of the state in controlling the spiraling violence have created ample opportunities for inimical forces to broaden radical and extremist mobilization and violence. According the State Police Crime Branch data, 3,404 cases of rioting were recorded in 2016, as compared to 1,157 such cases in 2015, an increase of 194.2 per cent. As SAIR has highlighted earlier, such 'uprisings' have had direct Pakistani support in the past, and similar connections and connotations are in evidence in the present cycle of mobilization. Indeed, according to a release dated May 19, 2017, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) has registered a preliminary inquiry into the Pakistani role, noting:
National Investigation Agency has registered a PE (Preliminary Enquiry) into the funding of Hurriyat leaders, namely Syed Ali Shah Geelani, Naeem Khan, Farooq Ahmed Dar, Gazi Javed Baba and others in J&K by Hafiz Muhammed Saeed and other Pakistan based terrorists and agencies to carry out subversive activities in Kashmir and for damaging public property, stone pelting on the security forces, burning of schools and other Government establishments. The NIA has also taken cognizance of the news item related to the recording of conversations between the reporter and leaders of the separatist groups operating in Kashmir valley, by India Today TV, on 16.05.2017 in this regard.
According to a March 29, 2017, report, some fugitive stone pelters identified as Zakir Ahmad Bhat, Farooq Ahmad Lone, Wasim Ahmed Khan, Mushtaq Veeri and Ibrahim Khan made some startling confessions – from being on the payroll of their underground masters to carry out deadly attacks on security forces, public servants and property in the troubled region – in their conversations with India Today TV’s ‘undercover’ reporters. "It's Rs 5,000-Rs 7,000 (a month) and clothes. Sometimes shoes as well," Bhat said in the sting tapes, when asked whether he was paid to pelt stones at SF personnel. He, however, did not disclose the identity of his financers: "We will die but won't reveal their names. It's the question of our bread and butter."

Terror funding from Pakistan has also been highlighted on numerous occasions in the past. Most recently, for instance, a Government of India release stated,
The Central Government had received information about illegal transfer of funds from Pakistan to India through import of California Almonds via cross-LOC mechanisms through Trade Facilitation Centers (TFC) in Jammu and Kashmir. Keeping in view the gravity of the matter the Central Government directed the NIA to take up investigation of this case. The NIA has registered the case as RC-17/2016/NIA/DLI on 16.12.2016.


Meanwhile, according to data provided by the Union Ministry of Home Affairs (UMHA), at least 88 local youth joined terrorism in 2016, mostly after the Burhan Wani killing. According to media reports, another 16 local youth have joined terrorism in the current year. Wani was the man responsible for reversing the declining trend of local recruitment in the Valley. According to UMHA data, the number of locals joining militancy had declined from 54 in 2010 to 23 in 2011 further down to 21 in 2012 and just 16 in 2013. In 2014, the number of locals joining militancy increased to 53 and reached at 66 in 2015.

Having succeeded to an extent in fuelling fire in the State with the support of its cohorts within India, Islamabad simultaneously increased its activities along the LoC and International Border (IB). According to UMHA data, there were at least 371 infiltration attempts by the terrorists trained by Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) from across the border in 2016, as against 121 such attempts through 2015, a more than threefold increase. Such attempts had declined sharply in 2015, in comparison to 2014, when there were 222. There have been 47 such attempts in 2017, thus far. The number of terrorists who were forced to return to the Pakistani side rose to 217 in 2016, as against 41 in 2015. More worryingly, there were at least 119 estimated net (successful) infiltrations recorded through 2016, as against 33 in 2015. These infiltration attempts most often occur under cover firing by Pakistan Rangers or Army personnel. UMHA data also indicates a continuing increase in the number of ceasefire violations by Pakistan, at 449 in 2016, as against 405 in 2015.

Not surprisingly, the estimated number of active terrorists in the State has increased. According to varying media reports, there are presently an estimated 500-plus active terrorists in the State – 320 locals and 180 foreigners; as against about 179 – 143 locals and 36 foreigners – prior to Wani’s killing in July 2016.

Despite the deterioration consequent upon these various factors, there are some early signs of improvement in the law and order situation in the State. According to the Month-wise details of Law & Order incidents since July 8, 2016, provided by UMHA, the number of such incidents has declined considerably.

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Month     July   August   September   October   November    December  January  February   March
	       2016   2016        2016      2016        2016        2016      2017    2017      2017


No. of    820    747         535       179          73         36       05       49        27
incidents
According to partial data compiled by the SATP, the number of such incidents declined further to 22 in April 2017, though May registered a spike, at 41. Nevertheless, the situation appears to be coming under reasonable control in comparison to earlier months.

For the time being SFs have done their bit in restoring the law and order in the State, as expected, despite tremendous odds – both at the operational and at the political leadership level. Sustaining such improvement, however, lies entirely in the hands of the political class, both at the Centre and in the State. Unfortunately, there is little evidence of the necessary political sagacity needed to bring J&K out of its orchestrated turbulence and restore it on the trajectory to the greater stabilization that was visible in before the present cycle of disturbances.
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Guddu wrote:I am impressed that inspite of all the stone pelting in Kashmir, the IA manages to get info about the whereabouts of the sus viridis south asiaticus
Thats not how Sabzar Bhat was killed. They fired at army patrol party. Army reacted by surrounding the entire area. Cornered them gradually.
When cornered, the great Mujahid started crying and called his mom for help. She informed locals who descended to help the brave Mujahid.

Army shot bullets up his ass nevertheless.
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Some sentences are being so overused, that they have now become cliches. They almost seem like talking points, being brainlessly parroted by all. Sentences, like, "there can be no military solution to the Kashmir problem, only a political solution", and "the army can only do so much, and now the political class has to step in with a political solution".

What political solution ? What are the possible political solutions ? No one, no one at all, talks about what the political solutions are ? Not the people, not the press, not the NGOs, not the do gooder types, not the peaceniks, and least of all the political class. Other than, of course, "talk to PAkistan" and "talk to all stakeholders (read "Huriyat"). Talk about what ?

The only people who clearly and unequivocally talk about the political solution to the Kashmir problem are PAkis and the separatists. "Azaadi" is their political solution. What is ours ? And I mean, what is our political solution, not what is our fantasy.

I only have two possible political solutions. One invites a lot of abuse, even though, people have no alternatives, and the other is extremely difficult to achieve.

1. Negotiate a complete population transfer, meaning complete the unfinished business of partition on the Indian side, and this implies, having to give away something in return, since we Hindus will not and should not commit genocide.

OR

2. Take the fight outside of Kashmir into Pak controlled territories, such as POK, Northern Areas, Baluchistan, Sindh and even KP....and I mean real and sustained fight, the kind that Indian army is facing from Paki in KAshmir. We have to make PAki army face that from whatever force we need to create. This is difficult, but logically the only other choice.

There is no 3rd political solution from an Indian perspective. Continuing the status quo and the bleeding, which seems to be the favorite option of so many Indians, is a non option. It will only lead to eventual defeat. This is not defeatism, this is simple, elementary "cause and effect", and being non-delusional and non-fantasy. Not doing anything and being passive and reactive, is the laziest and worst of all options, justified by the lazy as Chankian, but there is nothing Chankian about being criminally lazy so as to allow the enemies to take the initiative. Chanakya was nothing, if not proactive and an initiative taker, not to mention, an out of the box thinker and a supreme problem solver - big problems, not trivial.
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Oh, yes there is a 3rd political solution too.

Disregard 370, if you cannot get rid of it, and start settling people in settlements, first in Ladakh, then in Jammu and then in the valley. It can be done by allowing Indian militias to be created (non state actors on the Indian side), to operate in J&K to facilitate and support such settlements. This is possibly the most doable option, of the three that I mentioned, as this can be done internally and it is nobody else's business.
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Why do you always insist that we have to give something away to these people ?
Why is not giving them something equal to genocide?
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There is a video by Subramanian Swamy, in which he says a few things about Art 370, and the plan for solution of the J&K issue.
It is a very straightforward assessment, I will post the video once I find it.
Basically he says:
1. The solution to J&K is Military only - not political
2. Art 370: The first line says, that the President of India can abrogate it. He says, they are waiting for such a president
3. He talks of settling Ex-servicemen in J&K, Hindus from POK into the valley.
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Dr Subramanian Swamy Gives Straight Forward Solution to Kashmir Issue & talks about Kashmiri Hindus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uxuWrZqmCo
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Older video circa 2011

Solution to Kashmir issue as suggested by Subramanium Swami

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq2R4w8ekZM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlHpWT3Mfec

Lt. Gen. Jaiswal on a Turkish state channel (TRT)...
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JE Menon wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlHpWT3Mfec

Lt. Gen. Jaiswal on a Turkish state channel (TRT)...
Turk MoFos punching way above their weight using borrowed feathers. BTW do we really need to speak to these people. BTW irony died when turki is asking about human rights.
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morem wrote:Why do you always insist that we have to give something away to these people ?
Why is not giving them something equal to genocide?
I would make all civic facilities--education, voting, banking, healthcare, jobs etc.-- to every individual in the Valley conditional on their publicly signing a loyalty oath to the Indian Republic and Constitution, on pain of imprisonment and disenfranchisement for life if later they betray that oath by word or deed. All that can be tracked by Aadhaar card for example.

If they reject India, and go to war against India--be it with sticks, or stones, or guns, then they have also rejected the citizenship rights of India; they get nothing, they become nothing.

Parliament can pass a special law or a constitutional amendment (similar to Article 370) that makes this rule applicable to Kashmir valley only. They can call it Citizenship Reinforcement Act or something like that.

That is a political and non-violent solution.
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GOI should start giving away free land to people who can come and settle in Ladakh, Kargil and parts of Kashmir, and cultivate it along with subsidized loan for things like poultry, fishery, etc. settle them along the new kashmir railway line and give them guns and gun licenses as long as they are non-muslims.

some enterprising people of India are willing to buy land in Europe (Georgia, Italy, Australia, etc) and work hard to increase their income. Many families in Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan have sold their land in India and have moved to these countries to increase their income. It is better to keep such enterprising people inside India by giving them opportunity inside India.
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SBajwa wrote:GOI should start giving away free land to people who can come and settle in Ladakh, Kargil and parts of Kashmir, and cultivate it along with subsidized loan for things like poultry, fishery, etc. settle them along the new kashmir railway line and give them guns and gun licenses as long as they are non-muslims.

some enterprising people of India are willing to buy land in Europe (Georgia, Italy, Australia, etc) and work hard to increase their income. Many families in Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan have sold their land in India and have moved to these countries to increase their income. It is better to keep such enterprising people inside India by giving them opportunity inside India.
10 Biharis is all it would take. As Laloo was once approached by the Japanese PM saying, give us Bihar for ten years we will make it Japan, to which Laloo responded give us Japan for ten days we will make it Bihar
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I did not think that I would have to state something so obvious and elementary here. Stones and rocks are as much a weapon as a bullet or a shell, or even a missile. A stone or a rock, when hurled becomes a missile. A stone and a rock can do tremendous amount of damage to a human body, including seriously maiming it, causing permanent damage including serious brain damage and can even be fatal, if a human body is struck with it at a certain velocity, certain angle or at one of many spots on the body. This is the reason every other country in the world, just about, treats systematic, pre-meditated and organized stone pelting and rock hurling, particularly if it is done in tandem by a crowd, as the same as an attack by any weapon such as an automatic machine gun, or a rocket launcher and law enforcement or security services in countries around the world, retaliate accordingly, meaning, with a gun or artillery shells or some other weapon of that ilk.

I would like to know, which smart guy in India decided that stone pelting does not warrant full retaliation by gunshots or artillery shells, and how did this downplaying of stone pelting incidents get started in India in the first place ? Only in India..........do we have this kind of nonsense....

Regardless, whoever in India still believes that stone pelting is something less than being attacked by a serious weapon and does not warrant full retaliation by actual bullets or shells, should immediately be disabused of this notion, do away with this nonsense of treating these stone pelters with kid gloves and we should get on with shooting these stone pelters on sight, and I mean shoot to kill.

On second thoughts, I would settle for blinding these people with pellet guns, provided we have pellet guns and marksmen accurate enough, to get them on that particular organ, EACH time, it is fired.
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Another effective way to deal with stone pelters and yahoos :

Tractor, a Rottweiler, and Sam, a German Shepherd, have been deployed with an unit of Army’s Rashtriya Rifles, which keeps a vigil on sensitive areas of south Kashmir covering Kokernag, Achabal, Magam forests and Pahalgam.

Both had the distinction of being part of the operation in which young Hizb-ul-Mujahideen terrorist Burhan Wani and two others were killed on July 8, 2016.

“After the successful operation, these two colleagues of mine also had a sense of relief along with other teammates,” says an Army Major referring to Tractor and Sam.

They are fondly taken care of and engaged by soldiers who devote a considerable free time of theirs to give company to their “colleagues” who keep a watch when they sleep in their makeshift tents or accommodation or walk down the roads which could be mined by terrorists.

Sniffing out an IED planted on a road or chasing a runaway terrorist or alerting a possible intrusion are some of the duties that these dogs have been performing with aplomb.

“When nation sleeps, people know that we are awake and when we take a nap, we know that these (dogs) are awake,” says a Army officer as he fondly pats ‘Sam’ and ‘Tractor’ who had detected an IED on Dailgam-Achabal road.

The canines besides performing the duties in counter-insurgency operations also act as “stress-busters” for the troops who like to play with us, says a handler.

“The dogs have their own mechanism of studying and observing us and adjusting themselves to our mood,” said another Army major.

“During chalo calls when crowd was building, Trigger was very effective with his presence. He activates himself to attack any violent demonstrators,” the officer said and added with a smile, “his nervous system gets activated the moment he hears word ‘Azadi’”.

Besides these canines, there is a Jojo, a Bakarwali dog found locally in hilly areas, and Caesar, a Rottweiler, to help security forces tackle violent demonstrations.

“Last month violent protesters pelted stones at our camp and threw petrol bottles. We refrained from firing as this could have led to casualties and instead we unleashed the two who not only chased them away but also ensured they don’t assemble again,” a senior Army officer said.

From here:
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/C ... 474150.ece
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http://m.timesofindia.com/india/securit ... 960124.cms

SRINAGAR: After years of fighting armed terrorists with bullets and brickbats, security agencies in Jammu and Kashmir are now facing a new enemy - 'bedroom jihadis' who manipulate social media from the comfort of their homes to spread rumours and influence youths.
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DrRatnadip wrote:http://m.timesofindia.com/india/securit ... 960124.cms

SRINAGAR: After years of fighting armed terrorists with bullets and brickbats, security agencies in Jammu and Kashmir are now facing a new enemy - 'bedroom jihadis' who manipulate social media from the comfort of their homes to spread rumours and influence youths.
If our government gets its act together and starts thinking strategically, then this "bedroom jihadi" threat of using internet and social media is a relatively easier problem to solve. I did not say, easy, but easier. When it comes to cyber, Indian tech know how, if galvanized and mobilized, can turn the tables on these terrorist pigs, by reversing the cyber and social media propaganda and misinformation on them. We have the potential to be world's best reverse psyops and misinformation sleuths, and at relatively low cost, by simply using the talent available to us, both in terms of corporates and individuals.

Its just a question of allocating a certain priority to it and organizing it correctly.
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Rsangramji and Krishnaji,
I think there of two other ways
1. using fire/petrol bombs. These jihadi guys are not very eager to die by fire. The petrol bombs will always have plausible deniability too
2. Capture few of them and do them with nasbandi, even if they are kids. for each of these guys neutered we will have at least 5X less jihadi's today adn in future and it will have the side effect of scare factor and will be helpful in stemming the demographic change. Again, the guy will face the same situation as paki army, doomed if he admits and doomed if he doesnt.
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Do we have any Big Data type professionals in India to castrate these "bedroom Jihadis"? These days I am in process of implementing big data and you can keep all type of data and mix and match with "Real" data to get them out. (for example figure out what type of grades do the students get who come from certain area, certain ethnicity, what websites do they visit, what type of groups they have on whatsapp/groupme/facebook/etc)

let's say a Jihadi spreads a rumour on whatsapp and we have these whatsapp/facebook/instagram/etc logs in Big Data and we also have Aadhar Card/local police/etc data (sensitive data of the person down to its iris scan and finger prints)., you can easily figure out (less than couple of hours) the source of the rumor sitting anywhere in India.

Modi can go on TV at 8:00 PM and say "Mitron All Kashmiris need to get registered for Aadhar Card before Internet/phone/electricity can be restored" and watch how jails are filled."
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A very poignant column in the Indian Express. Posting in full:

No tears for Ummer Fayaz

A human shield in Kashmir received voluble support. A slain soldier did not
Recently, two Kashmiri men were assaulted. One man was tied to an army jeep and paraded about villages, labelled — via a placard — a stone-pelter. The other man lost his life. The first man, understandably traumatised, received an outpouring of support, angry editorials, incensed articles, TV outrage, online fury. The other man received barely a tweet. There hangs a tale.

By now, the story of Budgam’s shawl weaver, Farooq Ahmed Dar, who stepped out to vote on April 9 and found himself strapped to an army jeep, is well-known. Anyone with a halfway-decent armchair has expressed a vociferous opinion on Dar. Many of us, whose combat is not much deadlier than choosing between the cream bandhgala or the herringbone tweed, huffily pronounced that Army Major Nitin Leetul Gogoi, who used Dar as a human shield, was unconstitutional, violent, violating, condemnable for deciding, in the split-second he had, to use Dar and not fire at the hundreds of stone-pelters surrounding his troops, and the election officials they were protecting. One critic remarked, the human shield was unnecessary since Gogoi’s troops could shoot in self-defence. Apparently, in this strange moral world, where good and bad slide and elide, killing people is ok.

Perhaps that explains the resounding silence over the murder of Lieutenant Ummer Fayaz. The young Kashmiri — just 22, his birthday on June 8 — was inducted into the Rajputana Rifles last December. He was home on May 9, his first leave, to attend his cousin’s wedding. He was abducted by suspected militants from his Shopian house — picked up as he sat beside the bride — his body, riddled with bullets, dumped at a chowk. Ummer, like Dar, was unarmed: Just a person passing through, a brother, a nephew, a child of an apple farmer.

But, in contrast to the wringing of erudite hands for Dar, the opinion pages, the TV channels stayed strangely silent for Ummer. Of course Farooq Dar has human rights. Did Ummer have none? Is the Kashmiri acceptable only as victim, never as a citizen with an alternate view, one that possibly doesn’t suit those who, in ecstacies of bourgeois morality (which simultaneously enjoys, and laments, the modern state), tomtom the cruelties of the forces, but never probe those of its opponents?

Additionally, does joining the army mean that soldiers forfeit the right to their own rights — including the right to empathy? Perhaps, amidst the surfeit of services we now live with, we imagine the army as overblown security guards. The fact that many join up for more than a cheque and cheap rum escapes some. But the truth, possibly discomfitting to those who like theirs in fifty fashionable shades of grey, is that people like Ummer Fayaz join the army because they love their country — and, amazingly, do so with clarity, complex-free.

For this love, Ummer paid with his life, killed by another lynch mob, one evading cameras that record their cowardice. The names of his killers may rustle in Srinagar’s winds, but some of our profound find it cosier to shut troubling windows, settling for kahwa-pe-charcha with sulkily glamorous separatists instead. But even if condemnation is too much to ask, surely a word of sympathy for a boy who loved playing hockey, who idolised Virat Kohli, who tucked his sunglasses at jaunty angles into V-neck T-shirts, whose warm smile tilted widely over an interestingly bony face?

But it is almost as if the angry yells about Victim Dar are meant to erase the memory of citizen Ummer Fayaz. It is important to mark this for, as Friedrich Nietzsche writes in Beyond Good and Evil, “Clever people are never pointed out their follies; what a deprivation of human rights”. Interestingly, among the clever, those who’ve been in charge of Kashmir, and its violations, over decades, yelled the loudest. In this paper (‘Major Gogoi is wrong’, IE, May 24), former J&K CM Omar Abdullah — whose father ran Kashmir as its theatres turned into torture centres — wrote of how the Dar episode left him shuddering at the “carte blanche” this gave security forces. Was there similar horror during the forced exit — another “carte blanche” parade — of the Kashmiri Pandits, whose rights, apparently, aren’t fundamental, just incidental ones?

However, given his shudders now, Abdullah could show moral noblesse oblige and consider giving up all security, protesting for a citizen as another citizen who can, say, buy vegetables without khaki-clad cops or black cats hovering about. Protesting the security forces by refusing their services is showing real solidarity with Farooq Ahmed Dar.

Meanwhile, amidst the wall-to-wall outrage, Ummer Fayaz will likely remain unlamented by the elegantly incensed. But he will be remembered elsewhere, perhaps in a camp, in a trench, in an orchard of saddened apples.

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ED raids being conducted at several locations in J&K.
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Approx 150 crore hawala cash recovered in various raids in J&K, Haryana and NCR. 5 feral pigs dispatched last night near south Kashmir and heavy firing in Punch Rajauri sectors.

From "other" sources, don't know if it's official yet.

Edit: In papers now:
http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/pak-terro ... s-geelani/

Pak terror funding: NIA raids residential, commercial premises of Kashmiri separatists in Delhi, J&K; books Geelani
National Investigation Agency (NIA) on Saturday morning raided 14 locations in Kashmir and eight in Delhi in connection with the terror funding case. According to sources, the raids were in connection with alleged hawala operations between Pak-based terror groups and IndKashmirimiri separatists. The NIA also raided separatist leaders’ house, office and commercial locations.


According to reports, NIA has registered a case against hardline separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani in the matter. Earlier, the agency scrutinised five bank accounts allegedly linked to Geelani as part of its probe into suspected terror funding.

Earlier, a news channel carried a sting operation revealing the connection between terror groups and Kashmiri separatists. (Agencies)
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jamwal wrote:Pak terror funding: NIA raids residential, commercial premises of Kashmiri separatists in Delhi
I remember a kashmiri carpet showroom in Hauz Khas, S. Delhi where I lived in the late 70's.
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Two jawans martyared and more sustained injuries when their convoy attacked at Qazigund , south Kashmir today. Time and again these soft skin stallions without any basic ballastic protection are attacked by terrorists . Why the hell at least in Kashmir , they can't use proper troop carriers . The jawans inside are sitting ducks in those soft skinned vehicles . No amount of SOP can stop a determined attacker , at least the vehicles carrying or transporting troops in active war zone should have basic protection to save our boys .
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Four terrorists killed after they attacked CRPF camp in J&K's Bandipora district - ToI
Four terrorists were killed on Monday morning in retaliatory firing while attempting a suicidal attack on the CRPF camp in Sumbhal town in Bandipora district of Jammu and Kashmir.

The terrorists attacked the camp at 3.45am. The gunbattle between the security forces and terrorists went on till 6.15am.

Their bodies were recovered along with four AK rifles, one UGL, UBGL grenades and hand grenades. The search operation is still on.

Further details awaited.
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Good start to Mon morning.
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i mean i find this NIA raids etc quite funny...didnt we know since last N years ( including last 3 of modiji) the modus operandi of Hurriyats and the traitors Co. PVt. Ltd. ...the hawala money ..the financing etc. its common knowledge in kashmir and elsewhere about the main players including traders ( some of who are quite close to the PDP leadership as well). I sometimes wonder if GOI is even serious about solving the kashmir issue. What is the motivation for this sudden burst of energy? the so called expose of India Today? In any other self respecting country such stuff would have been tackled promptly and expeditiously. by now we should have been destroying the palatial homes of these vermins and hanging them upside down in tihar and being sodomised daily for their sins.
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>>In any other self respecting country such stuff would have been tackled promptly and expeditiously. by now we should have been destroying the palatial homes of these vermins and hanging them upside down in tihar and being sodomised daily for their sins.

Self-respecting or not, India has to consider, "and then what"?
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and apparently now they have found answer to the question 'and then what' !!
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Oh, what is the answer?
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manjgu wrote:What is the motivation for this sudden burst of energy?
IMO, New money laundering laws in place. Proper tracking after demon. Cases will now stand in court.
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manjgu wrote:i mean i find this NIA raids etc quite funny...didnt we know since last N years ( including last 3 of modiji) the modus operandi of Hurriyats and the traitors Co. PVt. Ltd. ...the hawala money ..the financing etc. its common knowledge in kashmir and elsewhere about the main players including traders ( some of who are quite close to the PDP leadership as well). I sometimes wonder if GOI is even serious about solving the kashmir issue. What is the motivation for this sudden burst of energy? the so called expose of India Today? In any other self respecting country such stuff would have been tackled promptly and expeditiously. by now we should have been destroying the palatial homes of these vermins and hanging them upside down in tihar and being sodomised daily for their sins.
several old and existing bridges have been burned.

the silence of the PDP is deafening. They have been begging the centre not to mention many separatist names in the FIRs.

yasin, geelani and mirwaiz have been arrested. This is a very public message. mehabooba mufti may be finished. omar abdullah is quiet and probably on the toilet for long periods. farook abdullah may have "gone" to the UK.

This NIA investigation has taken over six months to bear fruit. the valley is quiet in terms of orchestrated violence.

India today has been given the info by the govt. Do not for a moment think that they have done anything on their own. They neither have the guts nor the resources. No channel in India has the resources or the will to risk their reporter's lives.

do you really think that any stupid channel would broadcast "sting operations" involving men who routinely carry guns and are not shy of using them?? They also have gun toting jehadi friends in dillii and bombay where many of these channels are located.

journos are routinely shot in UP.
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I would suggest watching Vivek Agnihotri's film "Buddha in a Traffic Jam", for those who haven't. It comes straight from the heart, and he is someone who means well for the country, and says it bluntly. The film gives an indication of how it works with the Maoists. Similar principle for J&K, although the mechanisms may be different. Watch it.

It's in HD here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn3hYmgK3ek
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JE Menon...i was asking u whats the answer since u said India has to consider 'and then what'? !! chetak everyone knows that its not the work of a channel... no body is so dumb. this is why i said 'the so called expose of India today' !! as i said it was common knowledge all over kashmir/Delhi as to who are the real movers/shakers for the hurriyat financing etc. what surprises me that it took Modi sarkar 3 years to come to this point !! this is what is so disappointing.
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From my personal experience of seeing CBI investigations first hand and attending court cases for etc that are being prosecuted by CBI etc, I can say that it all takes time etc in India and there are many reasons for it. While these things can be speeded up, it needs a lot of efforts.

Many times the offences will be much deeper and complex than we first think. Further building a case for prosecution in a case is not easy as most of us imagine.
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manjgu wrote: what surprises me that it took Modi sarkar 3 years to come to this point !! this is what is so disappointing.
Maybe they have reached a certain inflexion point - in terms of internal political situation, investigations results, geopolitical climate.
A number of tentacles of the hydra are being attacked simultaneously in a very planned manner.
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manjgu wrote:JE Menon...i was asking u whats the answer since u said India has to consider 'and then what'? !! chetak everyone knows that its not the work of a channel... no body is so dumb. this is why i said 'the so called expose of India today' !! as i said it was common knowledge all over kashmir/Delhi as to who are the real movers/shakers for the hurriyat financing etc. what surprises me that it took Modi sarkar 3 years to come to this point !! this is what is so disappointing.
there is a curious modus operandi with this govt.

Whenever they have to do something like this, the news is first released through a channel which then claim that it was their scoop/investigation that resulted in the crackdown.

The govt agencies then go about their work a few days later and crack down on the guilty or the unfortunate. It happened in luloo's benami property cases as well as the expose of luloo shahabuddin tapes and also in the hurriyat case

I wonder why this is so??. are they trying to pacify someone?? or do they really want to make the aam jantha believe that it was actually was the channel that found it out and then informed them so that the govt simply had to act forcefully and without choice??
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shyamal wrote:
manjgu wrote: what surprises me that it took Modi sarkar 3 years to come to this point !! this is what is so disappointing.
Maybe they have reached a certain inflexion point - in terms of internal political situation, investigations results, geopolitical climate.
A number of tentacles of the hydra are being attacked simultaneously in a very planned manner.
or have they deliberately waited so that all these cases come to a head just as the election campaign gathers stream??

this is a thinking team of MAD and they try hard to always get the optics right.
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I did write "internal political situation" :)
Election campaign gathering steam is part of that I guess, along with other things.
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