J&K News and Discussion - 2016

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Ashokk » 11 May 2018 10:42

Sushma Swaraj gives geography lesson to J&K student
NEW DELHI: Union minister for external affairs Sushma Swaraj on Thursday gave a lesson in geography to a Jammu and Kashmir student studying in the Philippines, whose Twitter bio said he was from “Indian Occupied Kashmir.”

Sheikh Ateeq had tweeted to Swaraj for help with his damaged passport on Wednesday. “I am from J&K doing medicine course here in Philippines my passport got damaged I applied for new one 1 month ago I request u pls help me to get it as i literally need to go home for medical checkup (sic),” Ateeq had tweeted on Wednesday morning from his now deleted Twitter account @SAteEQ019.

The very next day, Swaraj replied saying help was certainly possible, but his location, as outlined by him, was a problem. "If you are from J&K state, we will definitely help you. But your profile says you are from 'Indian occupied Kashmir'. There is no place like that," she replied on Thursday morning.

If you are from J&K state, we will definitely help you. But your profile says you are from 'Indian occupied Kashmir… https://t.co/L4YPGUFkCz
— Sushma Swaraj (@SushmaSwaraj) 1525921417000

The tweet got a flurry of reactions on Twitter, attracting nearly 1,300 replies, 18,000 likes and 7700 retweets by evening.

Swaraj’s tweet prompted Ateeq to modify his location to "Jammu & Kashmir/Manila" barely 15 minutes after the minister replied to him. Soon after the modification, Swaraj acknowledged the change, tagging the Indian embassy in Manila, asking them to assist the student. “I am happy you have corrected the profile. Jaideep - He is an Indian national from J&K. Pls help him,” the minister tweeted. Jaideep Mazumdar is India’s ambassador to Philippines.

1. @SAteEQ019 - I am happy you have corrected the profile. 2. Jaideep - He is an Indian national from J&K. Pls… https://t.co/xcYfWV7Er9
— Sushma Swaraj (@SushmaSwaraj) 1525922293000

However, Ateeq’s Twitter profile has been deleted since. A search for his handle yields a page with the message “Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!”

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 15 May 2018 09:01

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 166540.cms

the present govt was voted to power on the specific demand of dropping Art 370 and undoing the grave injustice of Art 35A.
now in the Supreme Court the Govt has changed its tune and reverted to the old appeasement policy

Appearing for the petitioners, senior advocate Ranjit Kumar said Article 35A of the Indian Constitution and Section 6 of the J&K Constitution read together provided that while a state subject, if she returned from Pakistan having migrated before 1954, would be entitled to employment and could own property in the state, Indians from others states would not be entitled to the benefits even if they were born and had lived in the state for decades. "These are discriminating provisions and must be struck down as unconstitutional," he said. .
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Before a bench of Chief Justice Dipak Misra and Justices A M Khanwilkar and D Y Chandrachud could comment, attorney general K K Venugopal said, "This is a very sensitive issue. Since the Kashmir interlocutor is meeting people from different strata in political and social spheres to find a solution to the issue, it will not be prudent to pass any interim order on these petitions at this stage one way or the other as it can be counter-productive to the process which is ongoing."



the counsels appear to be arguing that an injustice if perpetuated for a few decades should be the law of the land. how much further can they fall remains to be seen in appeasment policy.
The AG was joined by senior advocate Rakesh Dwivedi, who appeared for J&K, and dissuaded the bench from passing any interim order. "The issue under challenge is already covered by judgments of the SC. The challenge involves Article 35A of the Constitution of India, Section 6 of the J&K Constitution and the Presidential Order, 1954, issued under Article 370 of the Constitution. As long as they are valid, the petitioners cannot get any interim relief. There is, therefore, no urgency as these issues are decades old," Dwivedi said.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 15 May 2018 09:03

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/commen ... 89207.html
What army’s ‘restraint’ in J&K means
Lt-Gen Syed Ata Hasnain (retd)
A unilateral restraint in operations is no indicator of weakness. It is a display of confidence and will to seek peace. The concept must be such that in case of failure, the return to operations must not witness greater terrorist capability.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 15 May 2018 18:01

It is a delaying tactics. For what is the question as interlocution has not yielded anything in the past.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 156690.cms

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Karthik S » 16 May 2018 20:46

Anand Ranganathan Verified account @ARanganathan72

Islamic conquests during Ramzan:
Badr, 624
Mecca, 630
Guadalete, 711
Al-Zallaqa, 1086
Hattin, 1187
Ain Jalut, 1260

400 attacks during Ramzan, 2016
300 attacks during Ramzan, 2017

Average of 15 TERROR attacks EVERY RAMZAN DAY (2006-2015; Data: GTD; SITE)


If any solider loses his life due to this "gesture", RNS and others who came up with this move would be carrying that blood on their hands for the rest of their lives.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby CRamS » 16 May 2018 22:23

wig wrote:http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/what-army-s-restraint-in-j-k-means/589207.html
What army’s ‘restraint’ in J&K means
Lt-Gen Syed Ata Hasnain (retd)
A unilateral restraint in operations is no indicator of weakness. It is a display of confidence and will to seek peace. The concept must be such that in case of failure, the return to operations must not witness greater terrorist capability.


It would be some arrogance on my part to dispute Ata HasnainJi, but I will have to disagree with him. This is a bad move. The part that gets my goat in all these analyses is that somehow the TSP factor is overlooked. You declare a ceasefire only when you have the nemy by its b@lls and they have signaled some kind of a compromise. Now unless ModiJi got a private phone call and DovalJi has put in place a verification mechanism, that TSP is willing to compromise on its core demand of India having to let go off the valley and they will hold back pigLeTs, this ceasefire, like others before will fail. TSP will come out stronger. Even the local KM demand for secession and azaadi is as fierce as before. My take is that TSP has squeezed the b@alls of its PDP puppets and asked them to make this maneuver. Pakis are the main movers and shakers in the valley. This has not changed.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 16 May 2018 23:38

It was for optics. Ceasefire has been rejected by terrorists.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 19 May 2018 12:18

very sad news. it appears that people dwelling in the villages near the border are suffering very heavily. some unfortunate families lost loved ones. These village folks are rarely well off. They livelihood is agriculture based and I doubt they have the financial clout to migrate to safer places.
apart from the usual mealy mouthing "kari ninda" The Govt meanwhile much like preceeding govts is doing nothing -other than claiming pak is suffering heavily.


Tension flares-up on IB again, BSF jawan, 4 civilians dead; 15 injured

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/tension-f ... 5-injured/
While India announced ceasefire in Jammu and Kashmir during holy month of Ramzan, Pakistani Rangers violated ceasefire on the International Border rattling up entire Arnia and RS Pura sectors in this district with heavy mortars and automatic weapons early today, killing five persons including a BSF jawan and four civilians, one of them a couple and injuring 15 others, two of them seriously. A number of cattle also perished in the shelling while several houses suffered extensive damage.
Pakistan was reported to have suffered casualties in retaliatory firing by the BSF. Several posts of the Rangers were hit in the BSF action.


causalties
A BSF jawan was hit by splinters of mortar shell at village Jabowal in Arnia sector and attained martyrdom. He has been identified as Sita Ram Upadhyaya, 27, son of Brijnandan Upadhyaya R/o Pirtand, Giridh in Jharkhand. He is survived by his wife and two children, including a 3 year old son and one year old daughter.
A couple was killed at village Chandu Chak in RS Pura sector at about 8 am when a mortar shell fell inside their house and exploded. They were identified as Tarsem Lal, 50, and his wife Manjeet Kour, 45.
People alleged that they were not evacuated timely in the bullet-proof bunkers by police or security forces, a result of which they succumbed to their injuries in the house before being shifted to the hospital.

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Another mortar shell took the lives of two civilians at Rangpur Treva in Arnia sector. A shell exploded in the house of Satpal Singh, 60, son of Amarnath R/o Rangpur Treva, killing him on spot. Another civilian Jagmohan, 42, son of Sadhu Ram, who was passing near the house carrying milk, was also killed in the same explosion.
Sources said a number of cattle were killed and injured in Pakistan shelling while several houses and other structures were damaged. Exact losses were being ascertained by the authorities.


the govt presumably will stick to declaring ceasefires and continuing Art 370 and Art 35A in J&K.while poor folks in Jammu lose homes, hearths and lives

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby tsarkar » 19 May 2018 13:50

Every Indian Government has been extremely unfair to Jammu and Ladakh while pandering to the Kashmiris and Pakistanis. The Pakistanis demand Buddhist majority Ladakh and Hindu majority Jammu in addition to Kashmir. And while Indians can't buy land in J&K, Rohingyas are settling with impunity aided by the Ummah

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby wig » 19 May 2018 14:22

In Jammu the current govt both at the Center and in the State garnered votes by claiming that it will undo the injustice wrought on Jammu and Ladakh through Art 370 and Art 35A. But the tall electoral claim of the politicos to undo Art 370 and Art 35A was a mere jumla. The Govt is busy in pursuing an appeasement policy towards the peacefuls.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 19 May 2018 15:54

Four terrorists have been gunned down. As I said ceasefire was for optics. There are many Kashmiri Muslims working for the Indian army and govt. In an area practically without any non-Muslims ground intelligence will be hard to get without local collaboration. And without ground intelligence you won't get the kill rates you are getting. So use your brains and stop shouting Jumla. Art 35A and Art 370 are both constitutional amendments and govt does not have numbers. The only criticism that can be made is that they should not defend it in SC.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Austin » 20 May 2018 10:55

Former R & AW Chief, A.S.Dulat was giving an interview to @NewsX today where he said US, UK have revived their interest in Kashmir & are sending in their "diplomats" to Kashmir every month

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J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Peregrine » 20 May 2018 14:25

X Posted on the Terroristan Thread

Pak bunkers busted, assets destroyed by BSF troops along International Border

JAMMU: The Border Security Force (BSF) today said that the Pakistan Rangers today "pleaded" with them to stop firing along the International Border (IB) after being pounded with heavy artillery that also left a trooper dead across the border.

The border guarding force also released a 19-second thermal-imagery footage showing the destruction of a Pakistani picket across the border in retaliation to the unprovoked firing and shelling along the IB.

"(Pakistan) Rangers called up Jammu BSF formation today and beseeched to stop firing," a BSF spokesperson said.

"The befitting reply by BSF units to the unprovoked shelling and firing across the IB by Pakistani forces has forced them to plead for ceasefire," a senior official said.

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"For the last three days, the precision fire of BSF troopers on Pakistani firing locations inflicted heavy losses and yesterday, one of the rangers was in chicken neck area," the official said.

The BSF had lost two of its jawans in this latest round of unprovoked firing on the Jammu IB over the last few days.

A number of civilians were also killed and injured in the Jammu area due to this firing incident which was seen to have increased in the wake of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's day-long visit to Jammu and Kashmir yesterday.

Jammu and Kashmir witnessed a spurt in Pakistani shelling and firing along the IB and the Line of Control (LoC) this year.

Over 700 incidents of fire and shelling were reported, which left 38 people, including 18 security personnel dead and scores injured.

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