J&K News and Discussion - 2016

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Prem » 28 Apr 2017 05:32

https://www.bloombergquint.com/opinion/ ... ut-kashmir

Why The World Isn’t Talking About Kashmir
( Woodrow Wilson Wale paki)

In effect, Kashmir has never been a bigger nuclear flashpoint than it is today. And yet, the world has said or done relatively little in response. To be sure, recent tensions have generated banner global news headlines, as well as a scathing New York Times editorial.Still, on the whole, the international community has paid the simmering Kashmir dispute little to no mind.A logical question – and certainly one to which Pakistanis incessantly demand an answer – is why.Three possible explanations come to mind.First, there are too many other crises convulsing the globe that are perceived by the West to be of more direct relevance. In the United States, the Trump administration confronts a dizzying array of foreign policy challenges, from Russia and Syria to China and especially North Korea.It’s quite simple: Washington accords the most attention to issues that affect it the most. And Kashmir doesn’t make the cut. Threats to U.S. treaty allies in the Indo-Pacific and concerns about terrorist attacks on U.S. interests register more emphatically on the radar than do concerns about a faraway, localised dispute – even one with nuclear dimensions.
Second, Pakistan, the one major player fervently attempting to attract the international community’s attention, has failed to do so. Several reasons may explain why.One is that Islamabad lacks regular access to global forums that it can use as a platform to highlight Kashmir for a world audience. On the few occasions when it does enjoy such access – such as at the annual United Nations (UN) General Assembly meetings – its plaintive calls for more focused attention on Kashmir have largely fallen on deaf ears.Additionally, Pakistan – despite very real progress in counter-terrorism, democratisation, and economic growth – suffers from a global credibility problem. Pakistan is burdened by ugly legacies (read AQ Khan’s sharing of nuclear secrets and Osama Bin Laden’s long stay in Abbottabad) and problematic policies (think Pakistan’s decades-long dangerous dalliance with terrorists).Consequently, many within the international community are hard-pressed to sympathise with Pakistan’s complaints about Kashmir.And the few nations willing to formally support Pakistan’s position on Kashmir (hello Beijing) aren’t about to launch global advocacy campaigns on Islamabad’s behalf.Third, even if the dispute made its way on to the international community’s radar, it’s hard to imagine any country wanting to wade into it. Yes, candidate Trump on the campaign trail and President-Elect Trump in a bizarrely convivial telephone conversation with Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif suggested that he welcomed the possibility of mediation. So did Nikki Haley, the U.S. ambassador to the UN. But we should treat such pronouncements as conciliatory rhetoric, not statements of intent. They also likely referred more to addressing India-Pakistan tensions in general than to Kashmir specifically.Given how ugly and messy and complex the Kashmir dispute is, most nations won’t want to touch it with a ten-foot pole.
Great Britain, Russia, the U.S., and any other potential mediator won’t be interested – unless their involvement were framed as trying to get the two countries to talk more broadly, and not about Kashmir. Another factor here – one particularly salient with Washington, given its intention to strengthen relations with India – is not wanting to antagonise New Delhi by opting to formally intervene in a dispute that New Delhi believes is strictly off-limits to outsiders.Can the international community’s relative silence on Kashmir also be attributed to deft diplomacy by Delhi to secure the agreement of global actors not to speak up about the issue?That’s certainly a possibility. However, Indian diplomats posted in the West are already working on many high-priority matters. India’s high-level direct interactions with the Trump administration so far have engaged a full plate of issues, from defense cooperation and the H-1B visa program to a possible trip to Washington by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
We can assume that the relative lack of global attention to the Kashmir crisis has more to do with factors tied to the international community than to any diplomatic lobbying efforts carried out by India.

The takeaway is that the world won’t be clamoring to help ease tensions in Kashmir. This means the world could eventually find itself in a difficult position if the unrest were to increase and explode, and especially if it were to bring India and Pakistan to the cusp of another conflict. Then, at this point, external actors may feel compelled to play the role of a firefighter – to try to defuse tensions and bring a dangerous situation under control.
If there’s a silver lining here, it’s that Washington has excelled when playing the role of crisis manager in the India-Pakistan dispute. Analyses of two recent case studies – the Kargil conflict in 1999 and the border confrontation in 2001 after an attack on India’s Parliament building – demonstrate how U.S. mediation efforts helped de-escalate tensions.As a general rule of thumb, pre-emptive efforts to forestall conflict are more prudent than reactive, crisis-period interventions. And yet, in recent years at least, the U.S. has managed to pull the latter off relatively well on the subcontinent.
Still, the main conclusion is sobering for those that want Kashmir placed front and centre on international policy agendas.The international community has stayed on the sidelines, and it’s likely to remain on the sidelines.Ultimately, Kashmir will have to fend for itself.In an ideal world, key local stakeholders in Kashmir and authorities in New Delhi would take matters into their own hands and find the right incentives to establish some sort of dialogue that brings a measure of calm.Sadly, we don’t live in an ideal world. There’s good reason to believe that with neither the international community nor actors in the region willing or able to make a difficult situation better, extended – and deepening – tensions are all but inevitable.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby DrRatnadip » 28 Apr 2017 15:23

Isn't condition in J & K worse enough to declare state of emergency and presidents rule there? Jihadis attack and kill our soldiers and very next day so called civillians gather and demand bodies of terrorists..This is too much to digest.. :(

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby CRamS » 28 Apr 2017 17:30

Karthik S wrote:Coward indeed. I don't know what NM, doval are thinking, are they happy with our soldiers getting killed and humiliated, while he concentrates on winning elections.



Guys, and not just you my friend, lets let go off impotent anger, its not going to solve the problem.

Yesterday, some new chic, Anjana something, in place of that pro-Paki anglo saxon wannabe traitor thappad on India today TV was quite aggressive in demanding why stone pelters are being treated with kid gloves. And in response, all I saw was impotent anger by RSN Singh even though he was making good points. And one retd. army gentleman was going berserk on how the army did its job and politicians failed and he attacked the BJP guyy, Sudhanshu Trivedi (reminds me of the aftermath of 26/11 while Paki ISI was still giving logistic instructions to its pigLeTs, we had Bollywood hoes come on TV and rail against "politicians"). And Sudhanshu Trivedi is not the right guy to talk about Kashmir and military matters, he is more of an erudite cultural spokesman and should stick to that. Point being that the kind of reaction one saw on Indian media, indicative of what we are seeing here to a certain extent, is exactly what drives TSP and their stone-pelting proxies. They had a field day yesterday.

My take, and it might not be palatable to many here:

1. Yesterday's attack by TSP taking out 3 of our precious guys exposes the chink in our armor. Easy for me to sit 1000s of miles away and pontificate, but you heard it from me as if you guys don't know, I am just emphasizing, reason why Kashmir is boiling and India is the fall guy is because of India's inability to raise the bar of punishment to both stone pelters and TSP. Thus, the ex Indian army guys is dead wrong, and I hate to say it given the precious lives we lose. The fact is Indian army has not overwhelmed TSP, and by extension stone pelters and valley KM traitors. Only when they can do that can anyone legitimately claim that the "right environment for talks (from India's PoV that is) is created.

2. By railing against stone pelters in the aftermath of the attack, as I said, it only shows impotent anger. The point is TSP attacked the supreme symbol of India's power, military, and brazenly got away with it for the umpteenth time and are laughing. I know Gen. Bipin Rawat has plans for revenge, but we must not lose sight that the sight of Indian army being attacked is what gives oxygen to the India haters in the valley and around the world. And it makes it worse by wailing and whining because then everybody will say: sit down and talk about Kashmir with "all stakeholders" and resolve Kashmir. Thats exactly what the Klugelman Paki was puking. US or any of TSP's 3.5 is never ever going to look at this truthfully: Islamic fascism, they way they do when faced with such evil. The international response to India's travails in Kashmir is an extension of the officially defunct but still alive white colonialism.

3. This attack, and the precious soldiers' who laid down their lives will become another statistical blip. But India has to make some hard decisions. The more easy part is to take kid gloves off in dealing with Paki proxies in the valley. In the short term, India will face tremendous flak, but India has to raise the bar of punishment for stone pelters or else their claims will be more and more legitimized as time goes on. Treat the b@stards as criminals, and effectively convey the same. And they are willing pawns in TSP's game plan to fight to the last KM. No hard in treating them as such: Paki terrorists.

4. Then the hard part. Of course I am sure, ModiJi, DovalJi, and military are in constant. No pointing railing against politicians, after all, they can talk tough, but they have to operate with the military capability they have, not the capability they wish they had.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby DrRatnadip » 28 Apr 2017 21:13

CRamS wrote:
Karthik S wrote:
4. Then the hard part. Of course I am sure, ModiJi, DovalJi, and military are in constant. No pointing railing against politicians, after all, they can talk tough, but they have to operate with the military capability they have, not the capability they wish they had.


Thanks for very enlightening post sir.. One small query i have.. what capabilities we are lacking that are preventing us from taking tough action against stone pelters/ terrorist supporters..just a polite question..

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Singha » 28 Apr 2017 21:53

bare minimum they could take a leaf from Arpaiojis book and build some open stockades where all stone pelters whether small or big. male or female will be rounded up and kept for 3 months on bare minimum rations and sleep in open tents whether rain or sun. food will be bowls of thin gruel and a cup of rice if they behave, else no food either. toilets will be common and they can clean it themselves.

3 months like that and instant 6 months of the same on repeat violators will cool this stone throwing frenzy. all detained will be biometrically tagged into a miscreants database for matching later.

for adults caught, automatically their passports will stand cancelled and they will be blacklisted for any govt benefits too like jobs.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby chetak » 28 Apr 2017 22:12

Karthik S wrote:A Andrabi has been arrested in Srinagar last night.


no issue here. mehbooba will not dare to piss her off. VIP accommodations and all.

all biriyani is now at direct govt cost onlee.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Dipanker » 28 Apr 2017 22:41

Stone pelters should be caught in the act, it seems almost all are able to get away. A few may be then caught later in raids. Security forces should be able to set stone pelting honey traps ( use actors if necessary ), have enough back up forces to surround them once they start stone pelting. A sound thrashing can then be imparted to them by the law of instant karma. Subsequently they can be shipped to Arpaio Correctional Centers specifically set up for them in Jammu.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby VKumar » 28 Apr 2017 23:10

Dont they have videos of stone throwing? Can they not put up posters with pictures of stone throwers and announce a reward for information?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby shravanp » 28 Apr 2017 23:19

The recent most picture of stone pelting women in Kashmir stood out from the regular stone pelting fellas. If one carefully zoom in the pic, some of them are wearing expensive watches, westernized fleeces/sweaters and one even carried a soccer football.

It's been proven beyond doubt that most of these nautankis are financed from outside. I doubt if any genuine KM would indulge in stone throwing or if he/she ever felt if it was worth it to face pellet guns. It should be now spoken loud and clear that Kashmir is a battleground between India and outside world (Pak and their Britshits masters). KMs should also realize that they are in no way in any position to live as independent lives. They never had history of being independent. Sikhs, Marathas, Vijanagara, all of them had their eras of independent kingdoms. KMs either were ruled by Afghans, Mughals, or Sikhs. Their continued protests are making them look like sore losers who are bent on boiling the rage in rest of the nation, hoping that someday there will be a severe retribution against KMs in some or the other form. Hope they wise up before that.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby IndraD » 28 Apr 2017 23:30

https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/sta ... 1981365249

this new beast could be centre of repelling stone pelting crowd soon

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby VKumar » 28 Apr 2017 23:49

I cant understand why the army camps are so close to LOC.

Why they have a road going through them for civilians to use.

Why they don't have layered security

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ramana » 29 Apr 2017 02:27

Pellet guns are good deterrent and the SC has intervened. The previous DGP of CRPF has withdrawn them and had them modified with chokes to prevent upward spray of pellets. And SC has demaded FIR to be registered for every police firing.
I think a few of the Sc should be sent to face the stone pelter mobs.
Yesterday SC made pellet guns a pro quid quo to stone throwing.

And every one was going a Daniel has come to judgment with out realising the SC is not going by the law but making bargains like its an executive branch.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Dipanker » 29 Apr 2017 02:39

SriJoy wrote:Just a minor correction- Kashmir does have its independent history, but a brief one. Under Karkota dynasty, Kashmir was briefly independent and also briefly, dominated most of north india.


Per Wiki Karkota Empire is dated (c. 625 - 885 CE), there were no KM in Kashmir then.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Dipanker » 29 Apr 2017 02:42

SriJoy wrote:
Dipanker wrote:Stone pelters should be caught in the act, it seems almost all are able to get away. A few may be then caught later in raids. Security forces should be able to set stone pelting honey traps ( use actors if necessary ), have enough back up forces to surround them once they start stone pelting. A sound thrashing can then be imparted to them by the law of instant karma. Subsequently they can be shipped to Arpaio Correctional Centers specifically set up for them in Jammu.


Problem is, to legally prosecute and imprison stone throwers, we are going to need witnesses. Or at the very least. clear, categoric, unbroken footages relevant to each arrested person, to serve as unimpeachable evidence. Especially in the valley, where bystanders will support the stone thrower argument of 'i did nothing, racist, police brutality/i was throwing stone coz he fired in my direction to intimidate me.Just self defence- ask Abdul there'. This is the legal way to do. And it costs $$$. Maybe this is why there are no stone-throwing in Jammu, despite having a significant # of kashmiri muslims as well. Coz they know, local jammu people will testify up the yin-yang about these criminals.

Kashmir situation needs an imposition of total border lockdown. No trade, except through HP or Punjab.


Uninterrupted video record should not be hard to make if there are enough security personnel around.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Rudradev » 29 Apr 2017 03:03

Bart S wrote:
When has the rest of the world or any body like the UN given a flying **** about our going by the book and adhering to the law? Do you think Pakistan cares? If 70 years of this nonsense has not rid of this delusion nothing will. The Nehruvian thinking of caring too much about what others thing and the so-called legality of various stuff has to be the first thing to go. If there is any reason why we have control over our portion of Kashmir its because nobody has been strong enough to take it from us, plain and simple. Nothing else matters, and we need to do what needs to be done irrespective of legal niceties (that we have given its due for 70 years).




BartS, you seem to be upset that we have followed international law regarding J&K but nobody else has intervened to enforce the law on our behalf.

That should be no surprise. Nobody else will ever do it. India is the only party that will ever lay down this law. Only India will ever implement the full legal accession of J&K by seizing POK, Northern Areas, Shaksgam Valley and Askai Chin through force of arms.

But once that happens, and we succeed in the contest of arms, we will still need a solid legal foundation to justify our control in perpetuity over ALL of J&K. Possession may be 9/10 of the law but the remaining 1/10 is still good to have... and the important thing is, we have already established a strong legal case over 70 years which has put this 1/10 in place. Pakistan by contrast has a worthless legal claim, and relies only on the blackmail of Islamist irrendentism.

If maintaining the legal case is demonstrably hampering our ability to do "what needs to be done", then yes, it is worth evaluating whether this 10% piece of the puzzle is worth the cost of maintaining it.

But the 500 crore question there is, what exactly is this "thing that needs to be done?" What is the PRECISE cost-benefit ratio of whatever proposed move is being made, that justifies abandoning our good standing on the legal case? What exactly is being achieved in exchange for what is being lost?

If by "what needs to be done" you mean dividing Kashmir into administrative subunits based on their religious demographic composition, then you are advocating the very same policy that Islamists everywhere are constantly pressuring non-Islamic governments to adopt. Erosion of local administrative sovereignty through No-go zones, Sharia zones, etc. as a prelude to full political separation of territory. The proposed "benefits" meanwhile are highly debatable and by no means certain to accrue.

Compared to this, maintaining our legal standing on Kashmir by preserving its administrative integrity may be only 10% of the solution. But I would rather keep the 10% we have than flush everything down the toilet with a move like bi-, tri- or quadrifurcation of J&K along religious lines.

This is not about caring what other people think, it is about not being stupid. Do you really believe, for instance, that Muslims from the valley won't start flooding into the majority-Hindu and majority-Buddhist administrative subunits we carve out in Jammu and Ladakh? Have we been able to stop this kind of Islamic swarming and land-grabbing happening anywhere from Assam to Kerala? How would you avoid it in a bi-, tri-, or quadri-furcated J&K? Worse still: what about places like Amarnath or Anantnag, which are sacred sites to Hindus, coming under the "Muslim majority" administrative subunit in such a scenario because they happen to fall in the valley? Are we supposed to just give up on yet more of our sacred geographical heritage in some half-baked attempt to engineer the demographics of J&K? The only outcome will be that our international legal standing on J&K will have been compromised. The entire proposal is brain dead, if you ask me.

If demographic change in J&K is the intended solution, abrogating (or otherwise outflanking and undermining) Article 370 is the answer. Then the game can be played in reverse by flooding the whole state, including the valley, with non-Muslims from every other part of India. There is NO obligation under international law for us to retain Article 370 and it does not affect the legal standing of accession in any way. If we cannot get rid of 370 without subdividing J&K administratively, then it's a failure of strategic imagination on our part.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Dipanker » 29 Apr 2017 03:34

SriJoy wrote:Its harder than it seems, based on what i know about riots in the western world. Because its easy to poke holes into 'video footage' that is interrupted. Ie, we either have to train the security personnel to 'not look away/face away/point away' (assuming its a helmet/shoulder/gun mounted cam) from the point of 'locating stone throwers' all the way to 'ending up in jail cell'. Interrupted camera footages can be chucked out of court (atleast here) due to 'before 4:43 on the video, its not me. they just got hold of me wen the video interrupted' etc etc. I was just passing by, bhai, its a public space.


When there are lots of security personnel around, it should not be hard to shoot uninterrupted videos. Of course personnels responsible for shooting the videos should be trained. One can also assume that multiple cameras will be present to shoot the videos. Personnel in the armored vehicles can shoot the videos. Drones can be employed too. Paid Kashmiris in the crowd can shoot the video. Point is there are so many ways/alternatives to shoot uninterrupted videos.

Set the trap, catch the culprits, administer some instant karma, and subsequently prosecute them on the basis of captured videos. Those who escape unpunished, will either mend their ways or be caught in the next cycles.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 29 Apr 2017 13:58

It is in SC.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Singha » 29 Apr 2017 14:32

can paintball guns with indelible electoral ink be used to mark these stone throwers for a later sweep raid to pick up ? sure some may be able to get it off, but shut down the sale of such chemicals there.

the regular paintball arena guns in india have a range of around 50m but i have heard higher powered models which are legal abroad have a 150 or even 200m range. the pellets should be large and contain enough ink to really splatter all over even penetrate the cloth and soak in. likewise flash bang grenades containing this ink could be hurled into these gangs.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ShauryaT » 29 Apr 2017 17:41

Singha wrote:can paintball guns with indelible electoral ink be used to mark these stone throwers for a later sweep raid to pick up ? sure some may be able to get it off, but shut down the sale of such chemicals there.

the regular paintball arena guns in india have a range of around 50m but i have heard higher powered models which are legal abroad have a 150 or even 200m range. the pellets should be large and contain enough ink to really splatter all over even penetrate the cloth and soak in. likewise flash bang grenades containing this ink could be hurled into these gangs.
That sounds fun but they already do the rounding up based on pictures.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ShauryaT » 29 Apr 2017 17:48

SriJoy wrote:Wiki has this snippet regarding Kashmir:

"However, in October 2015, the High Court of Jammu and Kashmir has ruled that the Article 370 cannot be "abrogated, repealed or even amended." It explained that the clause (3) of the Article conferred power to the State's Constituent Assembly to recommend to the President on the matter of the repeal of the Article. Since the Constituent Assembly did not make such a recommendation before its dissolution in 1957, the Article 370 has taken on the features of a "permanent provision" despite being titled a temporary provision in the Constitution.[32][8]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_370#Calls_for_abrogation

Is this true ? Has this gone beyond the J&K High Court ?
Since when did a High court become the competent authority to rule on constitutional matters and rule on state-center issues? Which part of the word temporary do the judges not understand. A Judge shall not rule to create or amend law from the bench is a dictum that needs to be drilled into our judges. Furthermore, I
am looking for a law minister, who will take this judge created and non-legislated basic structure concept out the window and restore my constitutional democracy.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby manjgu » 29 Apr 2017 18:10

Well early this week I had a very interesting discussion with a KM friend ( who owns a houseboat) and two of his brothers are in the army. He told me the issue since coming of PDP BJP govt is that the mosques are telling the faithful that they are being ruled by kafirs ( BJP). in the past he said the faithful were being told that kufar are ruling them from delhi ( which was kind of far and distant) and now the kufar is ruling them from inside the valley. He said there is v little support for pakistan when faithful discuss issues amongst themselves. the mosques are playing a very dirty role in the current unrest and are used constantly to rally the faithful. lot of people are kind of pissed off with this stone throwing etc as its affecting the tourism business but no one dare to say that. the Indian danda appears to be no where in sight. this family is also kind of pissed off with the jihadis..as one of their uncles daughter was picked off by one the jihadis ( who was earlier a servant in their house !!). there was much more he said..which i will write shortly...

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 29 Apr 2017 19:50

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017 ... anger.html

Very typical article by the Toronto Star, on the Kashmir issue. Awful. I will be writing a strong response to them on Monday.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Supratik » 29 Apr 2017 22:06

No. Parliament can amend constitution and SC can decide whether it conforms with the basic structure of the constitution. SC already supercedes J&K HC. So its judgements are not final.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby DrRatnadip » 29 Apr 2017 22:48

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/noise-o ... 434555.cms

Farooq Abdullah today said that the "beating drums" on the death of three army soldiers in Kupwara was aimed at spreading hatred against Muslims.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby sanjayc » 30 Apr 2017 00:41

manjgu wrote:Well early this week I had a very interesting discussion with a KM friend ( who owns a houseboat) and two of his brothers are in the army. He told me the issue since coming of PDP BJP govt is that the mosques are telling the faithful that they are being ruled by kafirs ( BJP). in the past he said the faithful were being told that kufar are ruling them from delhi ( which was kind of far and distant) and now the kufar is ruling them from inside the valley. He said there is v little support for pakistan when faithful discuss issues amongst themselves. the mosques are playing a very dirty role in the current unrest and are used constantly to rally the faithful. lot of people are kind of pissed off with this stone throwing etc as its affecting the tourism business but no one dare to say that. the Indian danda appears to be no where in sight. this family is also kind of pissed off with the jihadis..as one of their uncles daughter was picked off by one the jihadis ( who was earlier a servant in their house !!). there was much more he said..which i will write shortly...


Mosques are critical nodes of Muslim mobilization. Restrict the number of mosques and Muslims are unable to rally together as a group.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ashish raval » 30 Apr 2017 03:05

The reason why mosques are central nodes is because Islam is a revealed religion and not realised one. It is primarily based on one person being chosen by God to pass the message based on message that goes between two ears and what one heard. If your religion is based on heresey it has no spiritual, moral and historical ground to stand and as a result the person grows up as empty vessel who tend to believe in what it heard. The primary reason is because you have nothing to concentrate upon when you close the eye for any stillness of mind and self realisation. This means the power of questioning never arises and whoever tried it was thrown in Arabian sea at the time.

This results in one desparately wanting to stick together because being weak in argument and claim persecution as an excuse for Jihad

The best place to hear the rumours and sermons is mosque and therefore can act as central node for rumours and conspiracy.

There should be CCTV in every corner to arrest every terrorist supporting bastered and never to be found again the valley..

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ShauryaT » 30 Apr 2017 04:08

SriJoy wrote:
Well i am simply asking a question, bhai ! Whether we agree or disagree on authority of HC on constitutional matter, point is, if 370 is to go, this judgement has to be addressed in some form, no ?
Srijoy: my response was not pointed at you. As for the matter, it was not a judgment, just an observation. Why? Because they know they do not have jurisdiction on the matter. Which was my point.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby jamwal » 30 Apr 2017 14:24

NPP to launch decisive battle for separate Jammu state from Nov 6


UDHAMPUR:
After launching the sticker of separate Jammu State at party office, Panthers Party State president Balwant Singh Mankotia disclosed that decisive battle would be launched on November 6, 2017 for separate Jammu State. Mankotia appealed the people of Jammu province to participate in this movement at Jammu with large number. NPP's state chief launched the sticker of separate Jammu state (Chalo Jammu) at party office here. While addressing the media persons, Mankotia informed that party started the `Haq-insaaf yatra' for separate statehood for Jammu region on April 1st with a motive to achieve separate Jammu state. During one month campaign, people are whole heartedly participating and supporting the Haq-insaaf yatra for separate statehood for Jammu. Panther Party has constituted 60 Panchayat statehood committees for seeking support of masses. Mankotia disclosed that party has chalked a strategy for separate Jammu state for next six months up to November this year.

PP will constitute 21 member statehood committee for each Panchayat with mobile contact number and complete address of the members. Registered members would be administered oath for joining the statehood movement whole heartedly to discussed the issue of separate statehood demand at village and Panchayat level. Panthers Party will organize a huge protest dharna on the opening of Darbar move at Jammu on November 6, 2017 with the participation of more than one lakh members to press the separate statehood demand for Jammu. Meanwhile, Mankotia condemned the Cabinet order for sidelining the senior IAS officer BR Sharma from Chief Secretary's post which shows the ill- designs that Govt didn't want to see officer from Jammu region at higher post. Party leaders Ankit Sanson, Manohar Baghat, Tarinter Singh, Manzoor Hussain, Sohan Singh, Sunil Paroch and Harjeet Singh were also present on the occasion.


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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Karthik S » 30 Apr 2017 14:38

Jai ho!

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby jamwal » 30 Apr 2017 17:57

http://www.theresurgentindia.com/jammus ... a-muslims/

Jammu’s Dogra give FINAL ULTIMATUM to Rohingya Muslims-Leave India OR get ready to face ACTION

Raising slogans of ‘Rohingyas, Bangladeshis Quit Jammu’ and ‘Bharat Mata Ki Jai’, Panthers Party took out a gigantic rally in the heart of the Jammu city on Friday which was spearheaded by Harsh Dev Singh Chairman JKNPP, Balwant Singh Mankotia State President JKNPP, Yash Paul Kundal State President Young Panthers and other leaders.

The rally started from Press Club Jammu and after passing through Gumat Bazaar, Raghunath Bazaar, City Chowk, Purani Mandi, Parade marched towards Civil Secretariat in an attempt to Gherao it, but was restrained by a massive contingent of police near Shalamar Temple.

The leaders amid scuffle with the police raised anti-government slogans and sought immediate eviction of foreign immigrants from Duggar land.

Describing the Rohingyas and Bangladeshis illegal settlement in Jammu as a grave threat to the cultural, historical and religious identity of Dogras, Harsh said that Rohingyas who were banished and forced to leave Myanmar because of their involvement in the criminal and terror related activities had been mysteriously allowed to enter Jammu directly all the way long from their native country under a deep rooted conspiracy.

He described the soaring population of Rohingyas as a potential threat to the demography of Jammu Pradesh who were living in the colonies encircling Jammu city by clandestinely managing to procure PRCs, Identity Cards, Ration Cards, Water and Electricity connections with the assistance of the people sitting at the helm of the affairs. He said that the criminal silence of the alliance and BJP in particular over the illegal settlement of foreign nationals vindicated the ominous intentions of the dispensation to reduce Dogras to minority.

Urging upon the State Government to take immediate measures for the eviction of the Rohingyas and Bangladeshis illegally settled in Jammu and its periphery, Harsh said that any further delay in the process was fraught with dangerous portends.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby jamwal » 30 Apr 2017 19:57

https://www.facebook.com/Dogralionz/vid ... 9270137114

Old Dogra man reciting Veer Ras poetry

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby A Deshmukh » 30 Apr 2017 22:29

Since terrorism has no religion, why don't we start burning the bodies of dead terrorists instead of burying them or handing over.

why do we need to follow their religion?
why do we respect their dead when they do not respect our life?
reciprocity. we can still be dharmic and give them full rituals as per Hindu customs.

burning will create a doubt that they will miss out Heaven and their 72 virgins.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Marten » 30 Apr 2017 22:36

Black ops group that can knock off ten separatist leaders each month is required. If Omar and his father desire to move away from the Union, give them both options. All the others should be treated as enemies of the state and dealt with similarly. Rebeiro was merrily knocking off even innocent Marathi or Tulu/Kannan image (bunt) boys to support D gang, and none of the fiberal f*ers had the guts to talk about it. Why shouldn't we be encountering the overground supporters then?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby brvarsh » 30 Apr 2017 23:48

Indian Government is not brutal otherwise if "no-religion" terrorists are wrapped in Pig's skin and burned then a strong message can be sent.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby sudeepj » 01 May 2017 00:35

Terrorist bodies must not be handed over to the general public. A panchnama within the cantonement, and a cremation to dispose of hazardous waste is what is needed.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby VKumar » 01 May 2017 01:29

This thread is devoted to stone throwers of Kashmir. There is negligible content about Ladakh, Kargil, Jammu, Gilgit Baltistan, POK.
What development is taking place in these areas? Etc

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Ashokk » 01 May 2017 02:10

Skunk spray may be an option to control the stone throwers.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ramana » 01 May 2017 03:34

Sri Joy, India has sovereign rights over all J&K regardless of what anyone allies or enemies say.

Please understand the India Independence Act of 1947.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Neshant » 01 May 2017 03:49

Ashokk wrote:Skunk spray may be an option to control the stone throwers.


That's exactly what I was thinking of.

The scent takes days to wear off.....

Sales of deodorant will sky rocket.


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