J&K News and Discussion - 2016

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby A Deshmukh » 01 May 2017 09:54

Why is Erdogan fishing here?
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/erdogan-calls-for-multilateral-talks-on-kashmir-says-has-talked-at-length-with-pakistan-4634702/

We should start talking on his treatment to dissidents in Turkey.
His treatment of Kurds, support to ISIS, petroleum smuggling and need of restoring democratic & civil rights in Turkey.

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Postby manjgu » 01 May 2017 10:17

somehow i feel our side does not present the narrative very well..a) when kashmiri jihadis shout on TV about plebiscite no one counters them with the fact why dont they go to pakistan to make pakistan vacate POK and why did Pakis gift part of kashmir to china if indeed kashmir was disputed. who ever wants ' political solution ' of kashmir should within 15 days get Pakistan to vacate POK and also return territory gifted to China back to India else they should shut up or migrate to pakistan. b) why is Hurrirats demand for talk outside of indian constitution not a precondition but indias insistence of talks within constitution a precondition? c) the indian left wing intellectuals, media, judiciary are all complicit in subverting the authority of state. the instruments of democracy are being used for nefarious ends. The J&K bar association is filing a case that Indian state should talk to hurrirats !! d) where is the Indian danda in Kashmir? who is preventing the Indian danda to swing freely in KAshmir? The Mufti's, Abdullah's etc are biggest danger to Indian state than all the terrorists combined. A family runs well when children are both scared and love their papa... looks no one is scared of Indian papa. Long time back a fella told me..indians are neither good friends not good enemies !! we allow anti indian forces to scare people who bat for india ! and neither are we too hard on our enemies

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby ramana » 01 May 2017 10:26

Sri Joy Allies won't help when others idea has US backing. So you just hang on till they get tired or find out it costs too much.

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Postby manjgu » 01 May 2017 17:36

5 J&K policeman+2 security guards killed.... http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 460597.cms

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Postby gakakkad » 01 May 2017 17:53

Neshant wrote:
Ashokk wrote:Skunk spray may be an option to control the stone throwers.


That's exactly what I was thinking of.

The scent takes days to wear off.....

Sales of deodorant will sky rocket.



They wouldn't really mind...they probably smell like skunks anyway...

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Postby venug » 01 May 2017 17:57

They will mind if it's pig urine-poop spray.

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Postby ShauryaT » 01 May 2017 18:16

manjgu wrote:somehow i feel our side does not present the narrative very well..a) when kashmiri jihadis shout on TV about plebiscite no one counters them with the fact why dont they go to pakistan to make pakistan vacate POK and why did Pakis gift part of kashmir to china if indeed kashmir was disputed. who ever wants ' political solution ' of kashmir should within 15 days get Pakistan to vacate POK and also return territory gifted to China back to India else they should shut up or migrate to pakistan. b) why is Hurrirats demand for talk outside of indian constitution not a precondition but indias insistence of talks within constitution a precondition? c) the indian left wing intellectuals, media, judiciary are all complicit in subverting the authority of state. the instruments of democracy are being used for nefarious ends. The J&K bar association is filing a case that Indian state should talk to hurrirats !! d) where is the Indian danda in Kashmir? who is preventing the Indian danda to swing freely in KAshmir? The Mufti's, Abdullah's etc are biggest danger to Indian state than all the terrorists combined. A family runs well when children are both scared and love their papa... looks no one is scared of Indian papa. Long time back a fella told me..indians are neither good friends not good enemies !! we allow anti indian forces to scare people who bat for india ! and neither are we too hard on our enemies
This issue cannot be confronted effectively until the heart of the matter of two nation theory is not addressed directly and squarely. The issue cannot be addressed by pussy footing around the issue and creating succor for muslims as our "secular" establishment has done. The issue also cannot be addressed by creating mirror Hindutva forces to be arrayed against muslims, which would prevent their integration. The Hindu majority has to to used to force the issue of integration and destroy the two nation theory in the process. This has multiple dimensions both internal and external.

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Postby chetak » 01 May 2017 18:36

I am seriously beginning to wonder what exactly was "promised" to the pakis and the cashmere jehadis by ABA because of which ABA's name and "promises" are being raked up with such unfailing regularity. Musharraf kept harping on exactly the very same thing.

What exactly is meant by "I wonder why our Prime Minister, with a historic public mandate, is shying away from his responsibility by not carrying forward the legacy of (Atal Bihari) Vajpayee and a former Prime Minister who said ‘sky is the limit’ on the issue of Kashmir,”

are these fakers thinking that Modi got a "historic mandate" just to hand over cashmere to them on a silver plate.??

the pakis muct be seriously turning the screws on these PDP guys to get the dialogue process going, solely on their terms.



Dialogue cannot have rider in democratic set up: PDP leader



Dialogue cannot have rider in democratic set up: PDP leader

Srinagar, May 1 2017,


Senior PDP leader and Minister for Education Altaf Bukhari has asked Prime Minister Narendra Modi to initiate unconditional talks on Kashmir, saying dialogue cannot have a rider in a democratic set up. Bukhari in a statement yesterday also said that "exclusion of the voices of dissent" is against the spirit of a democratic polity and that lack of inclusive dialogue can generate more rebellion over a period of time.

"What separates democracy from other political philosophies is the principle and practice of solving differences through inclusive and meaningful dialogue," he said. The minister said the national leadership should hold talks with all stakeholders irrespective of their political beliefs and without any precondition and fulfill its commitment given in black and white in the shape of agenda of alliance. Bukhari said dialogue at all levels needs to be inclusive and cannot be conditional.

"Dissent is the essence of democracy.Exclusion of the voices of dissent is against the spirit of a democratic polity. A lack of inclusive dialogue can only add to frustration and over time, generate rejection and more rebellion," Bukhari said. The minister for education said that it was former Prime Minister A B Vajpayee who talked about dialogue under the ambit of humanity. "Now talking about dialogue with a condition, unfortunately, reveals a flip-flop policy on the resolution of Kashmir problem," he said.

He said Kashmir is essentially a political problem that needs a political solution through dialogue and discussions. "It can’t have an economic solution.I wonder why our Prime Minister, with a historic public mandate, is shying away from his responsibility by not carrying forward the legacy of (Atal Bihari) Vajpayee and a former Prime Minister who said ‘sky is the limit’ on the issue of Kashmir,” Bukhari said.

He said that despite wars and violence in different forms, Kashmir issue has remained lingering on since last so many decades and sufferings of people have increased manifold. "Economic packages have never replaced the political necessities of engagement in Kashmir. We have been witnessing death and destruction that has virtually taken over everything," he said. Bukhari said that those who are at the helm of affairs must draw lessons and read the writing on the wall.

"They should also understand the serious implications of the situation that is eating into vitals of Kashmir,” Bukhari said. He said that PDP forged an alliance with BJP just to resume the halfway left reconciliatory process and initiate talks aimed at resolving the decades’ old political uncertainty. "PDP believes that inclusive dialogue is the only way out. Unfortunately instead of taking such an initiative, we have been made to believe that central government has a lackadaisical policy with regard to Kashmir.This perception needs to be changed on the ground,” he added.

Bukhari said that BJP as a coalition partner of PDP has agreed in principle for the agenda of alliance calling for engagement with all stakeholders and not a section of people. "I think good sense will prevail very soon and the central government will take immediate measures which can balm the wounds and address the injured psyche of Kashmiris," he said

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Postby CRamS » 01 May 2017 19:11

Yet another round of attacks in Kashmir and along LoC, no need to even post details as its depressing. Also, note TSP's "brilliant" tactic. They beheaded 2 of our guys along LoC and knowing fully well, this will result in a furious bout of recriminations within India: the traitors accusing BJP of lynching Pehlu Khan and Mohammed Iqlaq, and Pakis doing the same so equal equal established. Micheal Klugelman and assorted white Pakis, and US state dept will repeat the same. And so "both sides" are doing this. And white bahadurs and Turkey must mediate. There is a method to TSP's madness.

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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 01 May 2017 19:32

CRamS, very well said, yes that may indeed be what follows. What outrages me specifically, is the non-chalance of the Indian( forget the non-Indian) about incidents like the attack on the bank, where 7 people were killed, and cash looted. Can you imagine the immense coverage such an attack would receive if it took place in the UK, France, Canada or the US? And that too if Islamists were involved. We may never know the names of the individuals who lost their lives. Just part of the nameless, faceless multitude who have died in similar attacks.

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Postby manjgu » 01 May 2017 19:40

however....if I remember Punjab...the end of insurgency came when the terrorists started killing the police. could this be the beginning of a new phase where terrorists families are targeted? i think the upsurge in violence is a good thing ( though sad for the lives)...let the guns do the talking....the nonsense about dialogue hopefully will get drowned. once kashmiris start killing each other , it will be a important inflexion point.

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Postby CRamS » 01 May 2017 19:55

manjgu wrote:however....if I remember Punjab...the end of insurgency came when the terrorists started killing the police. could this be the beginning of a new phase where terrorists families are targeted? i think the upsurge in violence is a good thing ( though sad for the lives)...let the guns do the talking....the nonsense about dialogue hopefully will get drowned. once kashmiris start killing each other , it will be a important inflexion point.


Its not just Kashmiris, its TSP and its 3.5. So situation is a lot more complicated. The strategy behind this madness is to force India to make concessions to TSP so equal equal is fully in place. Allowing India to concentrate on its own nation building by excluding TSP is simply a non starter for both TSP and its 3.5. And without some kind of a visible "win" for TSP in Kashmir, TSP cannot be at peace with itself, and India is the stumbling block for this to happen is the mantra that has been accepted by everyone except BJP-led Indian nationalists. (note I did not say India, I only said Indian nationalists. So you see what ModiJi is up against).
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Postby Gagan » 01 May 2017 19:59

My take, please free to criticize, debate, add on:
1. Enact a law prescribing a minimum 3 month sentence for stone pelters.
2. Set up a re-education camp for boys and girls, caught stone pelting, where they will do manual labour, given a skill and learn to say "Bharat Mata Ki Jai" "Pakistan Murdabad", learn the national Anthem, and then be released. Steps to be taken to ensure that these places don't become havens for jihadi recruitment - change staff around, put it under the control of a Central Police Force instead of J&K Police.
3. These guys will be released on a sort of a Parole. If caught a second time, punishment according to IPC or J&K Criminal Code to be enforced. They will be put in a Central Prison, and may get shipped out of the state to say Chattisgarh, where their parents will face lots of discomfort to visit them.
4. Transfer the State Capital to Jammu, permanantly, in the interest of the smooth functioning of the J&K state.
5. There are plenty of Dogras and Hindus, along with Laddakhis in J&K. Set up colonies in the Valleys and Tourist spots for them specifically. A lot of armed forces personnel are from J&K. Set up retirement Colonies in the valley and surrounding areas. These colonies will have schools, shopping malls. Basically establish new cities around these colonies. Massive housing and infrastructure project, right next to Awantipora or the Railway line / National Highway in the valley
5. Punish and Shame Pakistan, Jihadis - Media campaign, showing Jihadis confession and pleading. No use killing them - use them for the same purpose the Pakistanis sent them here for - Propaganda and reverse terror
6. Solve Pakistan.
7. R&AW knows which Pakistani Army officers and JCOs are training LET and HM jihadis, which officers and JCOs are in the propaganda stream, and are funneling ideas and money to separatists. They need to have targets painted on them.
8. There have to be local J&K based police star officers, like KPS Gill and others in Punjab. These guys will outshine any bakwaas, begger Pak Jihadis.
9. GoI has to be serious about J&K and the Valley - the same way they were about Punjab - this problem is being allowed to fester and mired in political intrigue. Our soldiers are losing their lives because of this.
10. Revive the Ikhwans

Development, Shevlopment can follow suit - J&K already accounts for several big states worth of budgetary support if I'm not mistaken. Money has never been short for J&K. The use of that money has always been problematic with possibly one of the MOST corrupt state machinery in Srinagar, which is in cahoots with the Separatist Industry.

This separatist Industry is NOT looking to separate J&K from India, they are only looking to make more money. The young boys are now being given the pan-islamist ghutti (drug), to screw their generation by ISI and HM.

The J&K state politicians, valley netas will resist several of these ideas tooth and nail, try to dilute them - a sure sign that these points are really needed
<More to come> Please add on.

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Postby abhishekm » 01 May 2017 21:11

Revive Ikhwan asap. What's left of the original Ikhwan are being slaughtered in their homes. We should follow the Chechnya model again and pit Kashmiri against Kashmiri. Yes there will be collateral damage and innocents will perish but the "hearts and minds" approach has failed and given the extent of Jihadist propaganda in the minds of the average Kashmiri we can't hope to win them over. The only logical approach is to make them fear the Indian army. They hate India already so how can it possibly get any worse?

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Postby Karthik S » 01 May 2017 21:23

Gagan wrote:My take, please free to criticize, debate, add on:
1. Enact a law prescribing a minimum 3 month sentence for stone pelters.


I'd like the massan cop approach, you so much as take your hands toward your pocket, glock talks. All this will is not feasible. In which prison you'll keep 1000s of these people? Can you imagine the hue and cry from left libs, HR people? Bear in mind our govt. is still being a dove and not tough as we expected they would be. Can you estimate the logistics cost, transportation etc? And what is it worth? 3 months of biryani food, they'll come back stronger.

This is not some college gangs doing street fighting, these people picked up "weapon" against the state and its armed forces, it doesn't matter if it's a stone or knife or gun.

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Postby CRamS » 01 May 2017 22:07

Guys, as I told you guys, this KM skunk's wish list is what the whole madness in Kashmir is about. And also please note, his brazen demands are not only acceptable, but endorsed unequivocally IMO by "secularists" in India.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis/ ... 0T9XJ.html


The PDP needs to take few steps immediately to remain relevant in Kashmir.

First, they must push for initiating dialogue with the Hurriyat and Pakistan.

Second, Hurriyat leaders like Syed Ali Geelani, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and Yasin Malik must be freed and allowed to hold public meetings so that Kashmiris remain answerable and there is no anarchy on the streets.

Third, the government must book all erring officers responsible for any kind of misconduct in Kashmir.



Note the brazenness, no responsibility from KMs, its all Indian govt must do this, this, and that. And they are supposed to be the "victims". I wonder in which world will so called victims dictate shots like this to the so called "oppressor" (India).

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Postby ShauryaT » 01 May 2017 22:16

One-off action or sustained punishment by FIRE? - Bharat Karnad
The need is for a sustained programme extended over months, possibly a year or two, to terrorize the fighting man in the Pak Army with the prospect of an end he mortally dreads — death by burning. The prelude to such a programme should be the raining down of leaflets in Urdu threatening just such retributive justice for the excesses committed against Indian soldiers. It will unhinge the forward-placed Paki units, soften them up for the kill, so to say. by keeping them on tenterhooks.

But can the Modi-Doval duo that talks big — with only a single so-called “surgical strike” to boast of so far — act meaningfully for a change in the military arena? I doubt it, what with the Indian PM’s Washington trip slated for sometime in June and hence his felt need to not get Trump all riled up by getting their “partner in crimes” in Afghanistan — the Pakistan Army, loved by the US Defence Secretary General James Mattis and Trump’s NSA Lt Gen HR McMaster, on the hop.

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Postby Gagan » 01 May 2017 22:28

There might be more attacks on IA, until the US visit by Modi
Then allah save the Pakis

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Postby Karthik S » 01 May 2017 22:29

Gagan wrote:There might be more attacks on IA, until the US visit by Modi
Then allah save the Pakis


Could you elaborate further why that'd be the case.

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Postby Gagan » 01 May 2017 22:34

India won't do another major attack, like another surgical strike until then.
The unit will most likely do their own thing. The Arty divs will open up.

But will expect major ops after team modi meets with team trump. Some ground rules and plans will be laid down.
Pakistan and China are major pains for India, and some agreement, pro-quid-quo might be worked out.

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Postby Karthik S » 01 May 2017 22:44

That still sounds defensive to me. If you see NM's appearance in aap ki adalat, he says same thing, pakistan attacked us, and these guys went to US crying obama obama. There is basically so difference in the P*$$y footing of last two govts. There is string of terror attacks, but we need to wait till our dear PM visits khan and gets some deal. How about taking an action, show what we will do, then inviting whoever to whatever deals. And what if there are no pro-quid-quo after the visit? Will we wait till next visit?

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Postby CRamS » 01 May 2017 22:55

Guys, I don't know about you, but its one thing not to be able to respond to TSP's brazen provocations, but I am sick and tired of BJP spokesman harp on the following to points, laughable were it not tragic:

1. That TSP is isolated. Are these BJP spokesman smoking some high octane delusional hashish or can't use better diplomatic speak than to regurgitate this laughable nonsensical BS that TSP is isolated. My bloody foot.

2. Surgical strikes. Come on, one strike India undertook several months ago, and there have been umpteen attacks by TSP since then. They have more than avenged that attack. TSP must be laughing every time BJP spokesman cite this surgical strike. Why be so delusional that the surgical strike, while welcome, had any impact on TSP's behavior. We need not 1, but 1000s of surgical strikes to make TSP behave.

Poor ModiJi/DovalJi, they must be having sleepless nights as TSP continues to brazenly provoke and dares them to respond. I don't know which way this will end, but TSP will not stop until India agrees to talks in some way, shape or form, with Kashmir as the central point in the agenda. Unless of course, as I have repeatedly pontificated, namely, India changes the equation through brute force both internally in the valley against TSP proxies, and externally against TSP.

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Postby abhik » 01 May 2017 23:36

Trying to swat mosquitoes while they try to bite you is not an effective strategy to avoid getting malaria. The current strategy deployment of huge number of CI/border forces, payoffs to a large section of the population and occasional "surgical strikes" will at best maintain the status quo i.e attacks on security forces/pro government civilians every few days, periodic cross border shelling and intifada type situations.
Unless there is a change in political and/or military strategy the result will also not change.

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Postby ramana » 02 May 2017 00:26

Singha wrote:can paintball guns with indelible electoral ink be used to mark these stone throwers for a later sweep raid to pick up ? sure some may be able to get it off, but shut down the sale of such chemicals there.

the regular paintball arena guns in india have a range of around 50m but i have heard higher powered models which are legal abroad have a 150 or even 200m range. the pellets should be large and contain enough ink to really splatter all over even penetrate the cloth and soak in. likewise flash bang grenades containing this ink could be hurled into these gangs.


Pellet guns are doing a better/effective job already. its ready and available with CRPF.
And the stone throwers fear them.

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Postby Rishi_Tri » 02 May 2017 00:33

CRamS wrote:Guys, I don't know about you, but its one thing not to be able to respond to TSP's brazen provocations, but I am sick and tired of BJP spokesman harp on the following to points, laughable were it not tragic:

1. That TSP is isolated. Are these BJP spokesman smoking some high octane delusional hashish or can't use better diplomatic speak than to regurgitate this laughable nonsensical BS that TSP is isolated. My bloody foot.

2. Surgical strikes. Come on, one strike India undertook several months ago, and there have been umpteen attacks by TSP since then. They have more than avenged that attack. TSP must be laughing every time BJP spokesman cite this surgical strike. Why be so delusional that the surgical strike, while welcome, had any impact on TSP's behavior. We need not 1, but 1000s of surgical strikes to make TSP behave.

Poor ModiJi/DovalJi, they must be having sleepless nights as TSP continues to brazenly provoke and dares them to respond. I don't know which way this will end, but TSP will not stop until India agrees to talks in some way, shape or form, with Kashmir as the central point in the agenda. Unless of course, as I have repeatedly pontificated, namely, India changes the equation through brute force both internally in the valley against TSP proxies, and externally against TSP.


Could not agree more.

Kashmir is Integral part of India, We shall retaliate appropriately, Sacrifice Wont Go In Vain, Army has free hand.. Don't ring anymore. The sooner these guys learn the better. I can already sense pronounced disaffection creeping in especially wrt J&K and Pak handling amongst BJP supporters (including hard core ones like myself).

Talks, Deliberations over last 30 years have delivered 60,000 dead people, likely casualty in small scale war, and gained nothing. And of course, not even talking about economic cost. Honestly expected things to change dramatically when BJP came to power in 2014 but as is said.. more things change more they remain the same. Been peppering Modi and ilk with messages on J&K.

In my view repeal 370, scrap Indus Waters treaty, throw people like Yaseen across the border, raze one Paki post a day, treat stone pelters as terrorists, shoot down anyone waving any non Indian flag and also take a shot at CPEC infra (after all we say PoK is ours).

Think even Shikhandi had more spine than we seem to be showing. Worse we have not learnt that we are dealing with descendants of Taimur, Md Ghouri, Md Ghazni, Nadir Shah who all decimated this nation.

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Postby sudeepj » 02 May 2017 02:15

Honestly expected things to change dramatically when BJP came to power in 2014 but as is said.. more things change more they remain the same. Been peppering Modi and ilk with messages on J&K.


In politics and international relations, things change slowly and then all of a sudden. The number of our casualties does not show that Pakistan and the 'idea of Pakistan' within India is on the backfoot. In fact, they have faced so many setbacks in the past few years that I do not remember having seen in my now fairly long life time. That is the reason for many of these attacks, to 'show' that they are still relevant and to inflict a psychological war on Indians. Our response will surely follow and while its not enough to make Pakis stop today, surely, the conditions for that eventual denouement are being put in place.

Keep faith in Modi ji, and carry on.

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Postby ramana » 02 May 2017 04:23

sudeepj, Please visit the Political thread in GDF.

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Postby anupmisra » 02 May 2017 09:22

Will Vote for India in case of Referendum :: Senior Gilgit-Baltistan Leader

Asserting that India has never committed any atrocities on the people of Gilgit or forcefully occupied its land like Pakistan, senior leader from Gilgit Baltistan Abdul Hamid Khan stated that if a referendum was to take place then the people from the disputed territory would chose New Delhi over Islamabad for governance any given day.


http://defenceupdate.in/will-vote-india ... an-leader/

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J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Peregrine » 02 May 2017 15:02

X Posted on the STFUP Thread

'China has vested interest in helping resolve Kashmir issue'

BEIJING: China now has a "vested interest" in mediating between India and Pakistan to resolve the Kashmir issue because of its nearly $50 billion investment in the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor that passes through Pakistan-occupied Kashmir(Pok), an article in a state-run daily has said.

The article in the Global Times, a ruling Communist Party of China publication, indicated Beijing's latent interest in playing a bigger role in the region.

Claiming that China had mediated between Myanmar and Bangladesh over Rohingya refugees issue, the article said, "China has always adhered to the principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries, but that doesn't mean Beijing can turn a deaf ear to the demands of Chinese enterprises in protecting their overseas investments."

"Given the massive investment that China has made in countries along the "One Belt, One Road", China now has a vested interest in helping resolve regional conflicts including the dispute over Kashmir between India and Pakistan," it said.

China's recent mediation between Myanmar and Bangladesh over Rohingya issue shows the increased ability of Beijing in resolving conflicts beyond its borders to maintain regional stability, the article said.

"China has been at the centre of a regional power shift, thus the country now needs to learn how to act as a stabilising force and conflict mediator in the region," it said.

There is so much to learn for China about how to play its role as a regional power at a time when the country is witnessing a boom in outbound direct investment, the article said.

"For instance, while China has the capability to resolve conflicts through mediation given its increased economic influence, the nation needs to be very prudent in dealing with other big powers, India included, in the region," it said.

"In fact, mediating between India and Pakistan over Kashmir issue would perhaps be one of
the toughest challenges facing China in dealing with regional affairs to safeguard its overseas interests,"the article said.

This is perhaps the first time that Chinese official media started floating Beijing's interest in playing a mediatory role to resolve the Kashmir issue.


China's official stand is that the Kashmir issue should be resolved by India and Pakistan through bilateral negotiations, though Beijing has been stepping up its investments in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).

While China in the past has played down reports of the presence of its troops in PoK, saying that they were there to deliver humanitarian assistance, its $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) through the disputed Gilgit and Baltistan region increased its involvement in the disputed areas.

India has protested to China over the CPEC and is yet to name an official delegation to take part in a summit of the "One Belt, One Road" initiative, of which CPEC is a part. The summit is to be held from May 14-15.

Chinese official media also referred to last month's participation of Chinese troops for the first
time in the Pakistan Day parade as a sign of Chinese military playing a role in regional stability.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby VKumar » 03 May 2017 22:41

Looks like deja vu of demonetisation days. Stone throwing reduced, looting of money vans and banks. Government seems to have switched off the money tap.

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Postby vasu raya » 03 May 2017 23:28

Last year or so in Texas they had a "cartoon on Mohammad" event, it was a trap and as soon as some yahoo responded they took them down.

if banks are such magnets here, you know where to lay your traps, most likely there are tip offs to these terrorists either by the bank staff or the OGWs about presence of security personnel

Also, recently Hizbul killed Kashmiri muslim policemen while looting a bank and tried to palm off the killings on IA

likewise, in the LOC skirmishes, when paki artillery responds, IA can have few of its artillery turned inwards towards the houses of the identified OGWs and their assorted assets

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Postby hanumadu » 03 May 2017 23:39

VKumar wrote:Looks like deja vu of demonetisation days. Stone throwing reduced, looting of money vans and banks. Government seems to have switched off the money tap.


The money laundering companies have been identified as per news a few days ago.

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Postby shyamal » 04 May 2017 03:42

I hope the social media ban works out.
Even in my own FB feed I can see KMs merrily exchanging VPN site links to open WhatsApp etc.
I hope our security forces are aware of this and knows how to tackle this?

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Postby Neshant » 04 May 2017 06:39

Peregrine wrote:BEIJING: China now has a "vested interest" in mediating between India and Pakistan to resolve the Kashmir issue because of its nearly $50 billion



The one belt road through POK looks like a military supply line or a supply line in the event of a naval blockaid by IN.
The 50 billion dollar number looks bogus. More like 1 to 3 billion at most?
They won't be getting any of that money back so why would they be sinking in 50 billion.

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Postby brvarsh » 04 May 2017 11:26

Looks like something fruitful is going to come out: Massive operation underway in Shopian http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2017/may/04/jammu-and-kashmir-massive-anti-terror-operation-launched-in-shopian-1600955.html

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Postby Bart S » 04 May 2017 11:46

vasu raya wrote:Last year or so in Texas they had a "cartoon on Mohammad" event, it was a trap and as soon as some yahoo responded they took them down.

if banks are such magnets here, you know where to lay your traps, most likely there are tip offs to these terrorists either by the bank staff or the OGWs about presence of security personnel

Also, recently Hizbul killed Kashmiri muslim policemen while looting a bank and tried to palm off the killings on IA

likewise, in the LOC skirmishes, when paki artillery responds, IA can have few of its artillery turned inwards towards the houses of the identified OGWs and their assorted assets


It's a bit shocking that militants killed 5 armed policemen with no casualties of their own. Not sure why the policemen didn't fight back, maybe they thought that being locals the militants would spare them if they surrendered.

Neshant wrote:
Peregrine wrote:BEIJING: China now has a "vested interest" in mediating between India and Pakistan to resolve the Kashmir issue because of its nearly $50 billion



The one belt road through POK looks like a military supply line or a supply line in the event of a naval blockaid by IN.
The 50 billion dollar number looks bogus. More like 1 to 3 billion at most?
They won't be getting any of that money back so why would they be sinking in 50 billion.


Well, it's very easy for India to cut off that supply line as well in the case of war. The geography of the region is not an easy one to traverse for large-scale shipment of men and materials.

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Postby Karthik S » 04 May 2017 14:33

Subramanian Swamy‏Verified account @Swamy39
Terrorists plan to declare S. Kashmir as "liberated Zone" with Hindus or Govt officials not allowed to live in the zone. "Appropriate" reply


Ahmed Ali Fayyaz‏ @ahmedalifayyaz
Militants about to declare South Kashmir as their "freed State". Almost all pro-India politicians clear out. Ministerial tours banned.


Ahmed Ali Fayyaz‏ @ahmedalifayyaz
Soon the nation will want to know: Who turned Pulwama into Pakistan & Shopian-Kulgam into Afghanistan? How come such toofan in Hindustan?


In a way it's good, hopefully atleast then our govt. will move beyond kadi ninda.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby uddu » 04 May 2017 15:22

Karthik S wrote:
SriJoy wrote:^
Ya, repealing of 370 is step #1. I simply feel that by breaking Kashmir into 4 parts ( part 1: Kashmir valley, part 2: Jammu, part 3: Ladakh, part 4: Pakistan occupied Gilgit-Baltitstan), we put an end to long-term issue of Kashmiri separatism. I fear not the Malsis taking Kashmir away from us, i fear a Scottish type 'we are different' referendum, 100+ years in the future, when (hopefully) India is a 1st world nation and nationalism is at a low, with regionalism at a high. That, IMO, is when a 'unified Kashmiri identity' is the most dangerous. Division will also generate significant competition between Jammu and Kashmir, as Banihal pass is the major pass to connect Kashmir to Jammu and rest of India.


I don't think we'll get to 1st world nation status without finding a permanent fix to all these issues. Bifurcating has its advantages. How about stopping rohingyas from settling in Jammu? How about existing disease spreading to Jammu and Ladakh? You bifurcate the state to isolate the problem. It will be far easier to control when they are segregated than when heterogeneous. IMO, J and L can be developed well without K being a hindrance.


Actually our territory is under occupation. Called as Pakistan. It has already happened not that it will happen after 100 years. So what need to be done is to get back what's lost. And if there are any people there..then they also Indic and Dharmic. It will not just take place during Shri.Modiji's time, but a start has to be made for that to happen. Till now we are at the losing end. Time for victory from now onwards.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Bart S » 04 May 2017 15:23

Karthik S wrote:In a way it's good, hopefully atleast then our govt. will move beyond kadi ninda.


What is the guarantee of that? Politicians of all dispensations, ably assisted by 'chanakian' rationalizations of their GUBO by media/peaceniks/partisan supporters etc, have shown a remarkable lack of spine in the past few decades.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

Postby Karthik S » 04 May 2017 18:36

From twitter:

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And our govt. just allocated Rs 18k crores down the drain.


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