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Mort Walker wrote: PR citizens are US citizens, but can't vote unless they live in the states.
They have to live for five years in the US (and 2 years in the state they are voting in?, IIRC)
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komal wrote:Where does the western media people find people like Thenmozhi Soundararajan to provide commentary on India and Indian history?
During California Textbook hearing on Hinduism, some 10-20 anti-Hindu pest organizations came under one umbrella to attack Hindu groups' points and try to add anti-Hindu vocabulary and text in the textbook. They are network with focusing on 1-2 aspects against Hindus and Hinduism and directly connected to South Asian academics, Journalists, and leftist Non-profits and EJs. If some anti-Hindu point needs to be brought out, they refer to respective anti-Hindu person who spew out standard abuses on Hindu point.

She and her dad were like Dalit experts. " Hindus attacked us, raped us, didn't give us water, we had to run away and come to US so you need to write about it or keep it in Textbooks." or some thing like that was what her father said. And then when her turn came she was saying different anti-Hindu things. They seemed to be also EJ-driven people may be connected EJ's Dalit Freedom network throwing points against Hinduism.

They are spokespersons for rent to spit out standard anti-Hindu narrative points and due to which they get non-profit Funding.
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^^Notice they want to support Hillary and "Dump Trump".
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matrimc wrote:
Mort Walker wrote: PR citizens are US citizens, but can't vote unless they live in the states.
They have to live for five years in the US (and 2 years in the state they are voting in?, IIRC)
PR residents can most certainly vote.

they elect their local government.

they can also vote in presidential primaries for repub;ican, democrat, libertarian, etc.

they cannot vote in national elections in November however.

why?

because they are not subject to US federal income tax law........... they know not of the IRS.

"no taxation w/o representation" the sword cuts both ways.

they receive all federal welfare programs however.

food stamps,. medicaid, social security, medicare, etc. etc, ad nauseum......

their gdp per capita is $22,000 third highest in the western hemisphere behind Canada and the US.
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Cross-posted. This is from SWARAJYAMAG - as close to GOI as it gets!!
Jihad Meets The Crusades: This Is The New Global Nexus, And US Is Inseparable From It
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Bond market tanking now, will automatically resurrect Trump campaign. Lots of sell signals and overbought signals from S&P.
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'His unpredictability is worrisome': Donald Trump is making some important US allies uneasy
More recently, in the face of a potential Trump-led US pullback from Asia, India appears eager to wrap up defense deals with the US prior to the departure of Barack Obama, who as president has mounted a pivot to Asia that has had mixed success.

India requested 22 Predator drones in June, and Reuters reports that deal is in the advanced stages, with both countries hoping to leave only administrative details for the next administration to conclude.

The US and India have also cooperated on the latter country's first aircraft carrier, with the US offering to share technology being used in its own flattops, which could allow the Asian nation to jump ahead technologically by a generation.

"They have already started helping us on our first indigenous carrier, in terms of certification, quality testing," an Indian government official told Reuters. "The challenge will be to sustain the momentum over the next decade."

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi set up a research group this summer to study ways to work with Trump, and Indian groups in the US have tried to engage with both presidential campaigns.

Some Indians with ties to Modi's party have expressed more comfort with Hillary Clinton, and the closeness of the presidential race, coupled with Trump's wide-ranging rhetoric on US foreign policy, stirs unease in Asia as Election Day approaches.

"On the one hand, he says he values business relations with India, but then mimics Indian call-center workers and disregards the competitiveness that a partnership with India could provide the US," Manoj Ladwa, a London-based political strategist who served as communications director for Modi's 2014 campaign, told Reuters.
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brar_w wrote:
Karan M wrote:It bodes badly for India, that NYT got the anti-Trump groping stuff out as a big "expose". They will claim numero uno position in the HRC admin as the rag of choice, and NYTs link to breaking India, hinduphobic orgs is well known.
It would be tough to project based on just that. There were concurrent investigative reports being worked upon when the Palm beach paper and the Times broke their stories respectively. Also, remember the times was the first to break HRC's justice department investigation last year. Its better to look at the people each candidate picks to see where they will be heading as far as foreign affairs are concerned. In this context, look at the top couple of people at State and the Pentagon. In the latter it could very well be Flournoy - Kendall as SecDef and Deputy-SecDef.
The article just above yours shows the amount of "fact checking" NYT does eg even viz diwali..aryan vs dravid indeed..
NYT has long been dem camp.. now they're proving their credentials..point is they will represent all the anti india forces in the dem side.. and will get away with it.. as they ahve all this while.
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ramana wrote:

You could be surprised. Lets talk after one year.
After the rather cold response to "mothership", I do not see any alternative to India but to go it alone. No use looking for support. Not going to get any from anyone.

Become a pole.
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Why isn't this getting more traction?



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^^^^^

It is:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/18/politics/ ... index.html

One guy has resigned. Does not mean much now - he has been tainted for eons.

DNC, etc has distanced itself.

Part of thsi problem is that reporter for Varitas is himself ....................... for lack of another word: tainted?


Point being none of these guys are innocent.



Just for kicks:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... obbed.html
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Gus wrote:you are comparing a nation wide poll with the electoral college system. It is the margins in so-called battle ground states that matter and hrc is far beyond the margin of error lead in enough states to cross over comfortably.

all this "hidden voters for trump that will come out on election day" is just another nonsensical theory that has no evidence whatsoever.
There are a lot of closet Trump supporters. Expect the crooked left wing media turn the debate on Wednesday Oct. 19th into another referendum on Trump.
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MurthyB wrote:Why isn't this getting more traction?
The Election Commission of India bans political parties from using buses to bring voters to the polling stations. Another lesson for the US is that India now has over 870 million photo voter id cards issued to every voter.
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Mort Walker wrote:
Gus wrote:you are comparing a nation wide poll with the electoral college system. It is the margins in so-called battle ground states that matter and hrc is far beyond the margin of error lead in enough states to cross over comfortably.

all this "hidden voters for trump that will come out on election day" is just another nonsensical theory that has no evidence whatsoever.
There are a lot of closet Trump supporters. Expect the crooked left wing media turn the debate on Wednesday Oct. 19th into another referendum on Trump.
The problem with that is that there is no way for you to prove the existence or the size of those closet trump supporters. There is nothing indicative of that in voter registration data, or other surveys. Trumpkins love to claim that no one has gotten more votes in primaries for the GOP than Trump..What they also fail to point out, that no GOP candidate has ever had these many people NOT vote for him in the primaries either. What that showed was that the GOP had a record participation in the primaries and that they were deeply divided with record numbers flocking to Trump, and record numbers rejecting him in favor of other candidates (hence this required unprecedented outreach to win them over, but instead Trump embarked on a "go it alone" attitude and kept on attacking his Primary opponents well after they withdrew - some even after he secured his nomination).

^Keep that in mind when you look at how much of the GOP vote he eventually wins compared to Mitt Romney or even John McCain.

He is a polarizing figure and we are talking about single digit percentage differences that could hurt 'big-league' in the general election. One demographic to watch is the Cuban-American vote in south Florida. This community has leaned GOP over the last decades and may split their vote for HRC and Marco Rubio. If this does happen, you can expect HRC to put a good couple of percent gap in FL on Nov. 8. If similar ticket-splitting occurs elsewhere in close senate and congressional races it will completely debunk the 'rigged' argument since down-ballot GOP'ers would have outperformed their own presidential nominee with the same electorate. This could be seen in FL (Rubio), OH (Portman), PA (Toomey) and NH (Ayotte) with at least 3 out of these being must win for Trump for a credible path to 270. In fact, the current Paul Ryan strategy seems to aimed at exactly that - getting voters to vote republican down-ballot even if they don't vote for Trump for President.

Dr. Wang's article posted earlier, is a must read for those that take exception to the polls particularly when one takes them all into account rather than just jumping up and down based on outliers. Beyond the reported numbers, there is a lot of value in the underlying data, what they tell us and the cross tabs. The last couple of weeks should give us a solid prediction on who is going to win and the likely EV margin. Both Wang and Silver have done this with pretty good results over the past few presidential cycles. The problem with the "all polls are wrong" argument that the Trump campaign is pushing is that it is going to be short-lived (only 20 days to go) but I guess they brought backup "Its a rigged election". This is classic Steve Bannon, scorched earth strategy that he and Breitbart will profit immensely out of. Unfortunately can't say the same for the GOP...

http://election.princeton.edu/2016/10/1 ... kes-again/

A GOP strategist explains why the Republican Party is about to break in two

Also, its worth noting that the viewership of the VP debate, and the 2nd Presidential debate fell off from the first debate. This will likely hold true despite the reality show that Trump is trying to put on with special appearances and on the fly Facebook events prior to the debate. There is probably data out there to suggest that a lot fewer people are undecided now than were say 2 to 3 weeks ago. If that is the case, then you essentially need to take votes away from one candidate and then getting them to like you enough to vote for you instead of voting third party, not voting at all or writing someone in. Trump has done a very very lousy job on the latter over the last few months.
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The Obama administration, now in its last phase, is unlikely to take any strong action against Pakistan even though the White House tacitly supported recent Indian military strikes against terrorists on Pakistan’s side of the Line of Control (LoC).

The Indian strikes came after a cross-border attack on an army camp in Uri, that killed 20 soldiers. The White House issued a short statement the same day, calling on Pakistan to do the right thing. But that is as far as president Barack Obama might be willing to go given the ongoing crises in Syria and Yemen and the volatile nature of the presidential election at home.

It should not surprise New Delhi even though it may disappoint many that the Obama administration does not support a bill introduced in the US Congress on Sept. 20 by congressman Ted Poe, chairman of the house subcommittee on terrorism, calling for Pakistan to be designated as a state sponsor of terrorism.

When asked if the administration would support the move, the state department spokesman John Kirby was more than clear. “Obviously, we don’t,” was the short answer.

The bill, introduced in the House of Representatives shortly after the attack in Uri, cites the administration’s own 2016 report on terrorism that Pakistan did not take “substantial action against the Afghan Taliban, Haqqani Network, Lashkar-e-Tayyiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad, which continued to cooperate, train, organise, and fundraise in Pakistan.”

If enacted, the act calls on the president to report to the Congress within 90 days whether the government of Pakistan or any of its agencies directly or indirectly committed any acts of terrorism or abetted any such act. But the bill is unlikely to be voted on by this Congress and would likely lapse. It will have to be re-introduced as the new Congress comes in next year.

What’s noteworthy is that in the wake of the Uri attack Indian diplomats and the Indian-American community found more sympathy in the US Congress, with several senators and congressmen expressing support for India and condemning Pakistan for harbouring terrorist groups on its soil.

The Obama administration has been more circumspect, maintaining what it deems as a necessary “balance” between India and Pakistan in its public statements. It was only after New Delhi pushed hard and pointed to the many statements of support from American lawmakers that the White House was nudged into action after Uri.

The White House issued a stronger statement on the day India launched “surgical strikes” against terrorist launch pads along the LoC, “highlighting the danger that cross-border terrorism poses to the region.” US national security adviser Susan Rice asked that Pakistan “take effective action to combat and delegitimize United Nations-designated terrorist individuals and entities.” There are still nearly 10,000 US troops in Afghanistan and Pakistan’s cooperation is vital for Washington.

While it’s clear that Pakistan has exhausted most of the goodwill in Washington, no one in the White House has the appetite for rocking the boat and taking the final step towards declaring it a state sponsor of terrorism. There are still nearly 10,000 US troops in Afghanistan and Pakistan’s cooperation is vital for Washington.

In addition, South Asia is not high on Obama’s radar. His personal interest and investment in the region are arguably less than those of his predecessor. The same could be said of his national security adviser.

Pakistan plays in the little space that is left and uses US officials’ fear of a possible nuclear exchange in South Asia to its advantage. Earlier this month, Pakistan prime minister Nawaz Sharif’s two envoys—Mushahid Hussain Syed and Shezra Mansab Khan Ali—sent to denounce India and raise the Kashmir issue, made sure they played on those fears.

Syed reminded his audiences that it was the Clinton administration that called South Asia a potential “nuclear flashpoint.” The clear implication was that the current tensions could lead there unless the Americans intervene with India.

Then, in a gigantic leap, Syed claimed that Afghanistan would not find peace unless Kashmir is settled, bluntly saying the “road to peace in Kabul lies in Kashmir” AND that the two could not be compartmentalised. In other words, the whole region would continue to burn unless Pakistan’s wishes were honoured.

“We request the US to intervene because it has leverage with India,” he said. But even the Obama administration finds it difficult these days to take up for Pakistan, mainly because it has refused to act against the Haqqani network and done nothing to shut down UN-designated terrorists such as Hafiz Saeed who roam freely and hold public meetings.

Pakistani envoys also overplayed the China and Russia cards during their visit to Washington—Syed bragged about how the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor had sparked the interest of all regional players, including Iran, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia. He made a point of noting that the Pakistan-Russia military exercises were held after the Uri attacks despite Indian objections.

The message: Pakistan is far from being isolated and finds itself once again at the centre of geopolitics—the tussle between the US and China and Russia. For good measure, Pakistani envoys stoked fears of a new Cold War developing in South Asia because of India’s growing proximity to Washington. Pakistan is far from being isolated and finds itself once again at the centre of geopolitics.

The Obama administration, which by its own admission wants to shrink rather than expand US engagement in the world, has quietly watched China gain more ground in the Af-Pak region while it discouraged a bigger role for India. In the time remaining before the next president takes over, it will neither press India hard on Kashmir nor Pakistan hard on terrorism.

It would be up to the new president to take a view and reset policy. Experts in Washington recommend that the first order of business should be to fold the state department’s office of the special representative on Afghanistan and Pakistan, commonly known as SRAP, back into the bureau of South and Central Asia to bring more coherence into US policy.

Over time, the SRAP office has become a power centre that is often at odds with the South and Central Asia bureau, which deals with India and other South Asian countries. SRAP reports directly to the secretary of state and argues Pakistan’s case with few mitigating policy inputs from the assistant secretary for South Asia. The person looking after India and other South Asian countries, meanwhile, does not have a direct line to John Kerry and must go through extra layers of bureaucracy.

The office of the SRAP was created by the Obama administration in 2009 because of the size of the US engagement and the number of troops serving in Afghanistan.

Whether SRAP’s direct access results in US policy being skewed more in favour of Pakistan is anyone’s guess. But it’s worth noting that recently the state department was strongly in favour of selling F-16s to Pakistan with US subsidies until the US Congress stepped in and blocked the sale. It said Pakistan was welcome to buy the fighter jets but at full price.

Even the defence department has taken measures to show its displeasure. In August, defence secretary Ash Carter declined to certify that Pakistan was acting against the Haqqani Network in good faith. As a result, $300 million in US military aid was blocked.

But the state department remains Pakistan’s most powerful and steadfast defender in the US bureaucracy, leaving it up to the White House to be the final arbiter. Since the Obama White House has shown only sporadic interest in South Asia, US policy on Pakistan remains largely the same.

In the wake of the Uri attacks, when India might have expected a strong denunciation of cross-border terrorism from Pakistan, the state department spokesmen issued neither-here-nor-there statements leaving many in New Delhi frustrated.

As Jonah Blank, an expert with the Rand Corporation, says, the time has come to “rethink and regularise the (US) bureaucracy” and put Pakistan back into the South Asia division for a real reassessment of US policy in the region.

Another South Asia expert said that both Afghanistan and India face the same challenge—proxies sponsored by Pakistan—and it makes eminent sense to have “a more coordinated policy with Kabul and New Delhi” rather than a special carve-out for Pakistan.

It would be a small beginning but it could be an important first step for the new president.
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dude, don't to a ctrl A, C, V a long ass post. think of the people browsing on their phones.
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brar_w wrote:The problem with that is that there is no way for you to prove the existence or the size of those closet trump supporters.
of course you can't. that is the point.

"we had all this support but we were thwarted because rigging and deal" - this will be his play after elections.

the very fact that he is spending precious time on this rather than doing actual campaigning means that he has conceded already.

Mort - get that gau stuff ready :P
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MurthyB wrote:Why isn't this getting more traction?
Because 92% of journalists are registered Democrats. I got this stat from Peter Schiff website.
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of course you can't. that is the point.

"we had all this support but we were thwarted because rigging and deal" - this will be his play after elections.

the very fact that he is spending precious time on this rather than doing actual campaigning means that he has conceded already.
If the down-ballot republican candidates in the battle ground states out perform him with the same electorate (which looks like a strong possibility) his message (which he has already begun to test out with the trumpanzees) is going to be that the system was rigged by the GOP and Democratic parties against him.

Of course it wasn't and is NEVER about him as a person, his terrible campaign, the pivot that never came, outrageous things he has said, the demographics he has pissed off etc...Remember back in June when everyone was talking about how he was going to pivot to a general election mode, become a traditional candidate and appear presidential :)

It takes a special kind of idiot to be behind by 5-11% [running against] the least liked, the least trusted, and the least popular presidential candidate in recent times if not EVER.
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brar_w wrote:It takes a special kind of idiot to be behind by 5-11% the least liked, the least trusted, and the least popular presidential candidate in recent times if not EVER.
Yes, many of us feel like that about HRC. Who the hell would vote for her? :P
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A republican Trumpkin friend of mine told me a few months ago that I'd be voting for Hillary even though I wished to write in a candidate and note vote for Trump (A vote against trump is a vote for Hillary etc) . I guess since I'm not voting for Hillary this November, I'd be voting for Trump using the same trump logic :)

BTW, post election there should be a new word added to the political vocabulary (if it hasn't already) - The anti-establishment establishment/mafia - The folks that have made being anti-establishment a cottage industry while enjoying the benefits the political class has to offer. This goes for politicos, consultants, spokespersons and of course the media shills pushing the anti-establishment agenda from the right or the left. I'm thinking Cruz, Sessions, Guiliani, Hannity, Sanders, Maddow, Becks of the world..
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Gus wrote: Mort - get that gau stuff ready :P
I'm a teetotaler and drink gau stuff every day, so no problem. As the Obama administration closes, watch for the US Govt. spread distance between the US and India in trade, defense, and diplomacy. Expect Democratic operatives rape GoI officials and spy on them.
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brar_w wrote:The anti-establishment establishment/mafia - The folks that have made being anti-establishment a cottage industry while enjoying the benefits the political class has to offer..
product cannibalism. they don't bring anybody new, just feed on their captive market.
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Julian lost internet access. Hmmmmmm...............

So, Ecuador has determined he was "interfering" in the US elections? Hmmmmmm......
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Mort Walker wrote:
brar_w wrote:It takes a special kind of idiot to be behind by 5-11% the least liked, the least trusted, and the least popular presidential candidate in recent times if not EVER.
Yes, many of us feel like that about HRC. Who the hell would vote for her? :P
I think its pretty much a given that she isn't up by that much based on her abilities but rather the reality-TV show she is going up against. The GOP (or someone else) seems to have found exactly the candidate the Clinton machine would have hoped for..Who would have thought that 20 days before the election the Democratic candidate would be funneling $2 Million into Arizona and would be down by low single digits in Texas.
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Trump may be Bhindren walla type plant by BC that went rouge. Even that is still better than HRC!
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Has he shown any evidence (if this theory is true - Not that I'm saying it is ;) ) that he has indeed gone rouge? I mean seriously, where is the evidence that he is running a rational, sane, and competent campaign with 270 EV's in mind? In the odd chance that he actually is running a campaign remotely engineered to win - he is surely doing the absolute worst job possible.

Just a couple of weeks ago he planted himself right in the center of women that have accused BC of sexual assault and claimed that victims should be believed...A week and a half later, he was going around the country attacking those that have accused him of the same, including going after their looks.
Even that is still better than HRC!
He has said it himself when he said that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and not loose his die-hard supporters. A lot of trumpanzees on twitter are actually tweeting about not voting down-ballot republican because folks like Ryan, McCain, Ayote along with a couple of dozen other elected officials and party leaders have walked back their support, toned it down or unendrosed ( not realizing that he actually needs Congress to MAGA - whatever that may be.)..Those that still endorse him are actually campaigning with the message of being a check on him if elected (watch the Florida debate from a couple of days ago). When was the last time a GOP senator ( or a democrat) ran along with a GOP/Democratic presidential candidate and was going around in the state telling folks to vote for him/her so that he could be a check on the president even if that president happens to be of the same party? That's the level Trump has taken the GOP too...
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The trotting out of these wimmins in mid October is simply crap that the DNC is using. It's plain to see. BC has documented assault.
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What about sharing a stage with 'victims' that you yourself have quite publicly dismissed and/or attacked in the past? BC has documented assualt? as in it has been proven and has legal standing and is beyond allegations?
The trotting out of these wimmins in mid October is simply crap that the DNC is using
And Trump is trotting out these women (whom he has attacked in the past) out of the goodness of his heart?

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Dang! The Green Party candidate is **NOT** on the ballot, at least not in Ulan Bator where the polls have closed. :(( :(( Proves President Trumpanzee's point about polls being fixed - Jill Stein would have siphoned off that crucial 0.5% of ultra left-wing wacko votes (like mine) away from HiC. Now if u r anti-Business, anti-Industry, pro-Taxes, pro-Stifling Regulation, anti-Nuke, pro-Saudi pro-Wahabi, pro-Conversion, there is nowhere to go except HiC or write in Gen. Musharraf.
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UlanBatori wrote:Dang! The Green Party candidate is **NOT** on the ballot, at least not in Ulan Bator :(( :((
You could always write in. How about Rahul baba :)
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For a first time in nearly 50 years, you could have a state go independent in the presidential election. .. UTAH is as RED as they come and would have been easy picking for any other Republican candidate...

Utah breaking for third-party candidate McMullin.
Trump loses ground in NH, PA and MO.
Ayotte (R-NH) and Blunt (R-MO) are tied in Senate bids, while Toomey (R-PA) is holding on.

Utah, which has voted for Republican presidential candidates in every cycle since 1964, is a cause of concern for the Trump campaign. It appears that the divisive GOP primary, which was won by conservative Senator Ted Cruz with 69%, has left voters looking for an alternative to the GOP nominee. For example, 51% of Cruz primary voters are backing McMullin while 29% are voting for Trump. Among Utah’s Republican primary voters who supported the second-place finisher, Ohio Governor John Kasich, only 4% say they plan to vote for Trump in November. McMullin draws his strongest support from young people, ages 18-34. He is winning 36% of their vote while Trump and Clinton each get 22%. Trump leads McMullin 35% to 24% among those who are 55 and over.
Good luck to Trump with the "Rigged-Election" argument if Ayotte, Toomey and Rubio win in their states while he looses in all three.
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Mort Walker wrote:Trump may be Bhindren walla type plant by BC that went rouge. Even that is still better than HRC!
Let me try to work out that logic.

So Trump agreed* / got talked into** running as republican candidate at the behest of BillC and still he is better than hilary***

* - That makes him malicious, manipulative and willing to give millions of people hope only to trash it later, just to make HRC (who according to you will be the worst prez ever) for no apparent benefit other than a favor for BillC who according to you was a documented sexual assaulter

** - that makes him stupid enough at galactic level to actually do all the above

*** - given the above two options - how exactly is he better than HRC?

I have a better explanation. You hate hilary so much that you don't even care that you have to make any sense whatsoever in your arguments/observations.
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Dang! I wish he had come out with this before the polls closed in Ulan Bator!
(Michael Moore) unveiled his latest effort this week: "Michael Moore in TrumpLand," a one-man stage performance starring the director about the 2016 election.
It was filmed over the course of two nights earlier this month in Wilmington, Ohio, after Moore's original plans for a live show elsewhere in the state were scrapped.
Moore said on Facebook last month that the community board overseeing the Midland Theater in Newark, Ohio, opted against allowing him to perform there over concerns that he was trying to sway the election.
That's not in dispute. "TrumpLand" is an unabashed effort to get Hillary Clinton elected, and to thwart Donald Trump -- just as Moore's 2004 film, "Fahrenheit 9/11," was a bid to defeat George W. Bush.
So KSA now (or always?) owns him as well. Good deal!!!
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Fox News' Chris Wallace is slated to moderate the debate. He announced his intended topics for the debate last week. They are debt and entitlements, immigration, economy, Supreme Court, foreign hot spots and fitness to be president. :lol:
This final debate will be a return to the format from the first pig-wresting contest. Clinton and Trump will each face direct questions from the moderator for six, 15-minute periods, each corresponding to one of Wallace's six announced topics, although those are subject to changes. Both candidates will have two minutes to answer, :rotfl: and then the discussion will move forward as the moderator allows.
Third-party candidates like Gary Johnson, Jill Stein and Evan McMullin failed to qualify for this event due to low polling, meaning they will ultimately not join the two pigs in the mud-pit.
this will be the last chance voters get to see Clinton and Trump face off, side-by-side.:((:((
This Chris Wallace same as old CBS 60 Minutes Mullah? :eek: :shock:
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his putra afaik
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Oh, yes, the original was Mike Wallace, I remember now. Phew! U DON'T want Trumpanzee interviewed by the original "60 Minutes' gang on a live debate. At least not until election is over.
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