Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Nov 2016 22:20

great example that. the 1st waves europeans in india did indeed go native and some took up local wives and concubines.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 10 Nov 2016 22:31

TSJones wrote:the donald wants a 10% tax on foreign corporate earnings and 15% on domestic corporate earnings.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publicat ... -plan/full

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 10 Nov 2016 22:36

LokeshC wrote:Screw it. I am calling for #SoCalExit.

Interesting point. US seems to have no history of States breaking up into smaller ones. SoCal will be called what? Land of Fruits and Nuts? Or is that the north? Hollywoodstan? Dera JaneFonda Khan? LosFruitos?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Nov 2016 22:39

southern CA can be called new mexico v2.0 - an upgrade over the old new mexico - better climate for one.

northern CA centered on the huge klamath and merced national forests can be called Marijuanastan

SF-SV will be a union territory with 20 feet high walls . tourist visa application will include solving 4 questions in hackerrank/SPOJ/codechef

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 10 Nov 2016 22:42

Estrich: Poor Huma, and poor us (Redifining Poverty)

http://www.ocala.com/opinion/20161110/e ... nd-poor-us

By Susan Estrich Creators Syndicate

Huma Abedin has served Secretary Hillary Clinton loyally for her entire adult life. As far as I can tell, she has made one major mistake -- a mistake that she shares in common with half the population (and which we can't say too much about, since it produced a beautiful baby, who I am sure she adores).

She married the wrong person. (really

)

Donald Trump does that all the time.

Having married the wrong person, she finally separated from him, cameras watching. By the way, what kind of a meathead has documentary filmmakers literally following his family around to document his comeback race for mayor while he is still sending inappropriate pictures of himself like a badly behaved preteen (or a very sick and perverted former member of Congress)? Anthony Weiner.

So how did Abedin's emails end up on his laptop?

Of this I am certain: She didn't put them there. Maybe he did. Maybe they came from the cloud. Pick a conspiracy theory of your choice -- left or right.

As anyone who has ever been mired in email searches know, you rarely find one copy of an email; you find dozens, from the original recipients to the "reply all's" to the "forward all's" to the next set of "reply all's," until you have 17 copies of the same meaningless email.
(Nice try)

So why is everyone screaming bloody murder about Abedin's emails, even as they give Trump a license to lie and steal with his tax returns? I don't get it. These are Abedin's emails on Weiner's computer.

Have we literally gone so stark raving mad that we willingly elected the most unqualified man ever to be nominated for president, just because emails have been found on the computer of his opponent's "body woman's" estranged pervert husband -- emails that have not been identified as incriminating in any way?

No one would believe me if I made this up, because they wouldn't imagine any country, let alone the most powerful nation on earth, doing anything quite that stupid for quite such a stupid reason. No, no one would believe that this nation would put nuclear weapons literally four minutes from the finger of a man with no discipline and the attention span of a gnat.

Could we all please grow up for a minute? Could we turn off the screaming TVs and radios and have a moment of silence for our country and our democracy, say a pledge of allegiance to the nation for which it stands, and not fall prey to the worst kind of hysteria I have seen in my lifetime? Over poor Huma Abedin. This woman does not deserve this, and neither do we.

Susan Estrich (sestrich@law.usc.edu) is a law and political science professor at the University of Southern California. She writes for Creators Syndicate.

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UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 10 Nov 2016 22:43

The whole medical system can be fixed if they can drastically slash the bloated costs. This means, approve telemedicine where the actual docs (Dr. 'George', 'Lisa' etc) are sitting in, say, Kumbakonam or Vientiane, with the actual medical care delivery by Reg Practitioner Nurses in Peoria or Plains. This will require a head-on collision and bissing contest with AMA.

They need to give out biometric IDs to all in the US, containing 99% of the info that the medical offices and insurance companies spend 99% of their time repetitively transcribing and filing away.

Once u get doctor costs and office costs slashed, the whole structure of cost-plus profit percentage gets deflated, and insurance companies will have to slash employment and manager perks hugely. That will require a head-on collision with insurance companies, but both steps may be made passable by armtwisting other countries to permit US-based medical care to be available to well-heeled customers in those countries.

Once the med system costs stabilize, most of the rest of the system stabilizes (like SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Emergency Room). Then the Fed Govt can do what it does best: waste money on weapon development, NASA and Nuclear Fusion research.

bharotshontan · Post by **bharotshontan** » 10 Nov 2016 22:45

Singha wrote:great example that. the 1st waves europeans in india did indeed go native and some took up local wives and concubines.

Yes I was comparing Rudyard Kipling (India born) vs Antony Firingee. It is clear how the wealth disparity within the different centuries of their existence made a difference as to their attitudes. I was trying to edit that into my previous post but it ended up posting a new post, not familiar with this forum yet.

At this point in time, I don't know if it is possible for Indian-Americans to become a viable power-center in US society or not. There is a tremendous cultural dissonance between the American-born or raised-in-US<10y.o. vs those that come later in life either as professionals or grad students and then stay on as professionals. I am intimately familiar with plenty of Hispanic families and amount of language retention among Hispanics is 100% even in 3rd/4th generation compared to Indians. For most Indians, I'm seeing zero language retention. Depending on a whole host of social factors, the kids will either have an inferiority complex about their ethnic origin due to the dissonance from their parents and also how different they feel when they visit India and interact with cousins etc. Those not doing arranged marriages are under no natural pressure that other demographics largely do maintain to date within one's race (look at Mindy Project). It seems like there is either the option of marrying someone with caste/gotra/rashi/sun-moon-alignment lined up (which restricts you to 0.5% within Indian community) vs marry white, which is also a default-other as if assimilating couldn't mean marrying blacks or Latins or Chinese-Americans.

This is from US Census 2001, I understand a lot has changed since then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Americans

The 2001 U.S. Census Bureau’s publication of the 56,497,000 married couples, shows that overall the percentage of Indian males married to White females (7.1%) was higher than Indian females marrying with White males (3.7%); whilst for those who were US born the reverse was true with more Indian females marrying with White males (39.1%) than Indian males married to White females (27.3%).[79]

You do not create a sustainable demographic if your out-marriage rate is something obnoxious like that for both boys and girls. Once again, the more Indian-Americans invest into the US, the more they are heading towards their bloodlines assimilating into white-American ocean and not building a stable Indian demographic. At least according to 2001 census, there is more Antony Firingee than Rudyard Kipling. Now is that a good thing or bad thing, I don't know. At an individual level it doesn't matter whether my 4-generations-down line is blue-eyed-blond with curly hair and Chinese-shaped eyes and worshipping Christ and doesn't understand a word of any Indian languages...question is if that is the path for an Indian-American anyway, then does it matter towards India's upliftment? How Indian-Americans vote, does that have any relevance towards the mass of 1.25 Indian people?

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 10 Nov 2016 22:45

brar_w wrote:
TSJones wrote:the donald wants a 10% tax on foreign corporate earnings and 15% on domestic corporate earnings.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publicat ... -plan/full

there is no way they will cut trillions in expenses to match the tax cuts. no way.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 10 Nov 2016 22:53

there is no way they will cut trillions in expenses to match the tax cuts. no way.

They not only need to match the tax cuts i.e. cut taxes in a neutral fashion, but they also have to offset higher capital expenditure in infra. and defense. Of course there is no way you will be able to do that, and that the promises were a mere pandering to the tea party and the budget hawks within the GOP.

This is the area that will be negotiated since even a Paul Ryan has limited say when it comes to swinging the fiscal conservatives and budget hawks to actually allow higher spending. Even a McCain and the defense hawks could not get those in this wing of the GOP to agree to lifting the defense caps while allowing for matching the democratic demands for social spending. Since Obama would veto the NDAA if the defense spending increses were not matched by social spending increases, they couldn't do one or the other. This was a source of major issue and why they had a CR through practically all of Obama's two terms. With Trump in the WH you could now do it, but I'd assume he would have to give the democrats a little since the tea-party is likely to protest any spending increase and the budget hawks are stronger in the house compared to the senate.

With control of both houses and the WH, the tea-party is likely to be more emboldened and will no doubt want to push their agenda more firmly. The senate relection in 2018 favors the GOP's odds of actually adding to their current lead so Trump will have to work across the aisle with the Democrats to get a lot of the spending plans through, while satisfying to some degree the GOP demand for higher spending offset by expenditure reduction in other areas.

You are obviously not going to magically hit 3, 4 or 5 percent growth in GDP in next 2 years. Pushing higher defense spending, and the tax cuts will be an easier sell since there is total support for the latter while you could tweak the former to still match what you promised. They could simply increase defense spending starting at 10-12 Billion a year and gradually get higher. That won't require a repeal of the sequester but simply increasing the budget top line every year while having the caps in place (exactly the way Obama does it now with one key difference as described above). Getting the trillion dollar infra spending plan through the GOP controlled congress would be very hard. Of course he would have walked back his position (except token ammounts of change) on trade and foreign policy in exchange so could still find support that way.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 10 Nov 2016 22:53

a deficit would seem the likely outcome...

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 10 Nov 2016 22:55

Lalmohan wrote:a deficit would seem the likely outcome...

The likely outcome will be that he won't be able to get all that he has been promising on the trail..which was pretty much a given since his proposals ranged from those of Bernie sanders, to those of Ted Cruz. But the two pronged approach of tax cuts and higher spending and in some cases massive spending, is pretty much a green light to increase deficit and with it the national debt. If you don't under such circumstances reform entitlements you are screwing the generations down the line. At its core the GOP really wants to fix SS, and Medicare but they really can't under a populist president that has clearly found a way to the White House through significant majoirty erosion of the democratic party when it came to the working class, and particularly the white working class ($0-50,000 per year income). I think the swing in this demographic was 16% from the Democrats to the GOP and the donkeys held a very slim majority.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 10 Nov 2016 23:01

They need to give out biometric IDs to all in the US, containing 99% of the info that the medical offices and insurance companies spend 99% of their time repetitively transcribing and filing away.

dearest perfesser,

I have been assured by sjw's of the highest order that universal id's are a violation of basic human rights and the merest thought of such apostasy will ring the ivory towers of cacademia in calls for students of critical race theory to take the day off and consult their respective grief counselors after which they will retreat to campus safe places to shelter in place from hordes of kkk roaming red necks who drive pick up trucks with TRUMP BUMPER STICKERS (who will be beaten and pummeled by said students while cops stand by idly watching).

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 10 Nov 2016 23:02

All he has to do is approve the grand ULA plan to develop asteroid resources and build Trump Hotels and Casinos in orbit, and you'll have 15% GDP growth.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 10 Nov 2016 23:10

the donald is not big on nasa. not enough money for fru-fru bangles like that.

earth science, climate change........gonna cut that cargo cult john frum stuff and leave it to the savages who are easily impressed....

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Nov 2016 23:13

Post-Trump "fun" begins:
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/racist-i ... p-election
Racist Incidents Following Donald Trump's Victory
People on Facebook and Twitter share racist incidents that have occurred since the election of Donald Trump.

Well, a majority of BRFers voted for this in their poll.
I'm so out of here!

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 10 Nov 2016 23:15

UlanBatori wrote:All he has to do is approve the grand ULA plan to develop asteroid resources and build Trump Hotels and Casinos in orbit, and you'll have 15% GDP growth.

You want to be Trumpo's consult-e-tantric for that?

bharotshontan · Post by **bharotshontan** » 10 Nov 2016 23:21

A_Gupta wrote:Post-Trump "fun" begins:
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/racist-i ... p-election
Racist Incidents Following Donald Trump's Victory
People on Facebook and Twitter share racist incidents that have occurred since the election of Donald Trump.

Well, a majority of BRFers voted for this in their poll.
I'm so out of here!

Look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO5HfiW6wL4

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 10 Nov 2016 23:25

A_Gupta wrote:Post-Trump "fun" begins:
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/racist-i ... p-election
Racist Incidents Following Donald Trump's Victory
People on Facebook and Twitter share racist incidents that have occurred since the election of Donald Trump.
Well, a majority of BRFers voted for this in their poll.
I'm so out of here!

WHAT! Incidents of RACISM! In the USA???? NEVER happened before!!!!

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 10 Nov 2016 23:26

bharotshontan wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Post-Trump "fun" begins:
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/racist-i ... p-election
Racist Incidents Following Donald Trump's Victory
People on Facebook and Twitter share racist incidents that have occurred since the election of Donald Trump.

Well, a majority of BRFers voted for this in their poll.
I'm so out of here!
Look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO5HfiW6wL4

that black gentlemen wouldn't try to provoke a trump supporter for some video footage now would he?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 10 Nov 2016 23:29

Donald is not big on NASA (Space) because no one in their right mind would agree with their notion of WHY??

BECAUSE IT IS OUR MANIFEST DESTINY

(To watch mostly-ugly government employees cavorting in goldfish-bowl headgear and inflated diaper costumes)
or

TO LEARN ABOUT OUR ORIGINS

Who gives a pakistan about dead amoebae on Titan?
Donald will easily understand that there is hajaar-hajaar more real estate to be developed beyond Earth

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 10 Nov 2016 23:33

A_Gupta wrote:Post-Trump "fun" begins:
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/racist-i ... p-election
Racist Incidents Following Donald Trump's Victory
People on Facebook and Twitter share racist incidents that have occurred since the election of Donald Trump.

Well, a majority of BRFers voted for this in their poll.
I'm so out of here!

As it turns out, several activists on left are posting fake messages.

bharotshontan · Post by **bharotshontan** » 10 Nov 2016 23:33

TSJones wrote:
bharotshontan wrote:
Look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO5HfiW6wL4
that black gentlemen wouldn't try to provoke a trump supporter for some video footage now would he?

It seems like a road-rage incident that went beyond expectations.

bharotshontan · Post by **bharotshontan** » 10 Nov 2016 23:34

vijayk wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Post-Trump "fun" begins:
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/racist-i ... p-election
Racist Incidents Following Donald Trump's Victory
People on Facebook and Twitter share racist incidents that have occurred since the election of Donald Trump.

Well, a majority of BRFers voted for this in their poll.
I'm so out of here!
As it turns out, several activists on left are posting fake messages.

Yes left/SJW is hyperventilating also. It seems comically similar to award wapsi gang

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 10 Nov 2016 23:37

Utter Cynicism wins again - in Ulan Bator, eschewing all the new-fangled stuff, the Shtrat-e-jick Energy Empire focused exclusively on Clean Coal for 'research' sweatshops. Prescient or what?

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 10 Nov 2016 23:37

A_Gupta wrote:Post-Trump "fun" begins:
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/racist-i ... p-election
Racist Incidents Following Donald Trump's Victory
People on Facebook and Twitter share racist incidents that have occurred since the election of Donald Trump.

Well, a majority of BRFers voted for this in their poll.
I'm so out of here!

Redux of Gaurakshaks. Establishment is seething with upset, and all kinds of incidents will be played up to say "I told you so ... hitler has been reinstated"...

This is just the beginning from the Naxal-marxist elitist cabal to run Trump down, who are going through four stages of Grief currently.

Marten · Post by **Marten** » 10 Nov 2016 23:41

TSJones wrote:
brar_w wrote:
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publicat ... -plan/full
there is no way they will cut trillions in expenses to match the tax cuts. no way.

They need to start with $560bn a year. That's easily doable once you cut Obamercer.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 10 Nov 2016 23:45

Muslim ban statement 'removed' from Donald Trump's website

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Nov 2016 23:57

way I see it DT neither created racism nor he will end it.

if it was there and has found an outlet now, it was there earlier also and did not emerge overnight.

will help a section rosy eyed Indics (who love to dump on india) to get real about what is american society warts and all, instead of a fake comfort zone....lose your illusions or whatever.

and it will hard to brush it over for the sake of saving face this time due to social media. riots/attacks/goondagiri is only supposed to happen in yindia lol

so let the masks drop and let it all hang out. those of us who dont live are keen to see how their society has evolved or not and whether it measures up to the glowing impression in the media and hollywood.

time to grab a coke and popcorn I say and see what happens in wait n watch mode.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Nov 2016 00:00

The rosy eyed indics will not suddenly wake up. It is just that rest of us will get an opportunity (Media documented with no chance of white-wash) to show the mirror.

More than that it will open the eyes of the mango Indians to the reality that they rarely see on Tv or read in papers.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 11 Nov 2016 00:02

anti Trump protesters arrive in hoards of busses ; quite well organised !

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Nov 2016 00:12

colour the buses green and would look like syrian "rebels" being bussed to Idlib emirate

looks like a new escalatory phase is about to begin...DT will need to resist these provocations and just let events play out.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 11 Nov 2016 00:16

The "no preexisting condition" policy position has also not found a mention on Trump's new transition webpage on healthcare. During the election he had said he wsa interested in keeping this regulation within the PPACA that prohibited health insurers from charging higher premiums based on pre-existing conditions.

Although it could be that they just didn't mention it here but plan to keep it. A few influential GOP politicians had changed their minds on this over the years so I don't think he'll face a ton or resistance from outside of the budget hawks when it comes to retaining this provision in Trump Care!.

https://www.greatagain.gov/policy/healthcare.html

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 11 Nov 2016 00:18

Singha wrote:colour the buses green and would look like syrian "rebels" being bussed to Idlib emirate ...

looks like a new escalatory phase is about to begin...DT will need to resist these provocations and just let events play out.

he is being provoked to retaliate so that media can demonise him further. He should use deep security to find out who is funding all this.

bharotshontan · Post by **bharotshontan** » 11 Nov 2016 00:20

Singha wrote:colour the buses green and would look like syrian "rebels" being bussed to Idlib emirate

looks like a new escalatory phase is about to begin...DT will need to resist these provocations and just let events play out.

He's no Modi to be cool and collected like that. US is in for some fun times.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Nov 2016 00:21

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday that a preemptive pardon of Hillary Clinton for mishandling classified information would "seal [President Barack] Obama's legacy as one of the worst presidents ever."

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Nov 2016 00:21

Giuliani has gone to meet bill'o'reilly to discuss future cabinet and such.

fair and balanced

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 11 Nov 2016 00:24

How about appointing Chris Christie the AG or secretary of transportation and draining the swamps of Trenton?

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 11 Nov 2016 00:27

Singha wrote:Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday that a preemptive pardon of Hillary Clinton for mishandling classified information would "seal [President Barack] Obama's legacy as one of the worst presidents ever."

i dont think he will. if one believes the Dee Chii grape wine there is no love lost between the two. this will be a Scoota Libby redux only much bigger.

Sicanta · Post by **Sicanta** » 11 Nov 2016 00:33

Trump should keep making re conciliating tones here and there just like his acceptance speech. Let the other side over play there hand as they are wont to do. Will gain him sympathy and all.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Nov 2016 00:37

py the way ..... Trump's election will soak up all the attention of the bestern world for the next 3 months at least. Whatever *little* visibility Kashmiris had will now be reduced to zero.

Who will worry about Muzi when they have Trumpanzee to look out for.