Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 12 Nov 2016 09:19

I am sorry, I won't waste time watching what Trump thinks about info wars.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 12 Nov 2016 09:27

Singha wrote:JUST IN: Christie removed as head of Trump transition team http://hill.cm/Oj4DIL1

As far as shooting oneself in foot goes, this takes the cake. He had some potential..he was sought after in 2012 when gop base was not enthused with Romney.

Needless machogiri . Heard that the other guys who are now in trouble have named him as he knew and that puts him in perjury land..

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 12 Nov 2016 09:47

Well, well, well. What do we know. Mr. Presidente' Elect is backing off some of his key promises ...................... already.

* After meeting Obama, he is not just not going to repeal ObamaCare, but retaining two of its key points!!!
* Softened on "The Wall"?
* And, no special prosecutor for Hillary. Shame. Not only has she lost teh elections, but has lost this badge of honor too

Trump is the Republican Bernie. Lost in Rome.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 12 Nov 2016 09:51

I never thought he will actually do any of that. Most people knew that as well. But they were just happy somebody had balls or crazy enough to say it..

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 12 Nov 2016 10:04

Divorce

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 12 Nov 2016 10:05

Max Kaiser on Hillary Election Result

Hillary Died the same death Politically she gave to Gadaffi.

She Came , She Saw , She Lost

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 12 Nov 2016 10:11

http://nsnbc.me/2016/11/10/trump-to-des ... anization/
McCain connection to brotherhood

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 12 Nov 2016 10:13

NRao wrote:* And, no special prosecutor for Hillary. Shame. Not only has she lost teh elections, but has lost this badge of honor too

May be she will be saved due to her High Connection at Washington and to save Clinton Legacy.

Her Soul will Torment her every day for all her Crimes , She will have a long time to think over her loss , her past misdeeds , her crime ,her murder of innocents and cry over it .

What She Sows Is What She Reaps !

arun · Post by **arun** » 12 Nov 2016 10:29

“South Asian Expert” who has been very quick to claim to be liberal, paint critique as Hindutva and detractors as Bhakths shows just how illiberal she is. Rather “Unfair” twitter portrayal of Melanie Trump by Dr. Christine Fair I must say.

Anyway, I am slowly and surely finding out the shocking low levels to which self-proclaimed” liberals” can stoop to when thwarted by democratic processes in India and less importantly in the US

:

https://twitter.com/CChristineFair/stat ... 7282351105

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 12 Nov 2016 11:19

Immigration is one of the low hanging least risky fruit for President Trump. I expect him to make it v difficult for people to get GCs especially from Islamic and Hispanic nations and to a certain extent for Asian countries.

Expect him to move relatively quickly on this.

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 12 Nov 2016 11:29

Paul wrote:Immigration is one of the low hanging least risky fruit for President Trump. I expect him to make it v difficult for people to get GCs especially from Islamic and Hispanic nations and to a certain extent for Asian countries.

Expect him to move relatively quickly on this.

He has called for skill based GCs. What am I missing?

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 12 Nov 2016 11:40

students who do PhDs and find high tech research jobs that Americans are not able to do. Going back to 80s model-Reagen-Bush model

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 12 Nov 2016 11:40

shyam wrote:Divorce

False news.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 12 Nov 2016 11:41

NRao wrote:Well, well, well. What do we know. Mr. Presidente' Elect is backing off some of his key promises ...................... already.

* After meeting Obama, he is not just not going to repeal ObamaCare, but retaining two of its key points!!!
* Softened on "The Wall"?
* And, no special prosecutor for Hillary. Shame. Not only has she lost teh elections, but has lost this badge of honor too

Trump is the Republican Bernie. Lost in Rome.

This is correct. Most of us knew that much said in the election by any candidate is bluster. ACA will be re-named in to Keep America Great Health Care. The wall will be a virtual one. A special prosecutor doesn't matter as HRC needs elder care now - did you look at her face on 11/9? It seems she aged a couple of years in two nights. There must have been a lot of crying on 11/8 night and she couldn't face her supporters.

DT will be the best president since Dwight Eisenhower. There will be peace world wide and everyone will prosper. The Islamo-terrorists will keep their powder dry for at least 4 years.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 12 Nov 2016 11:43

arun wrote:“South Asian Expert” who has been very quick to claim to be liberal, paint critique as Hindutva and detractors as Bhakths shows just how illiberal she is. Rather “Unfair” twitter portrayal of Melanie Trump by Dr. Christine Fair I must say.

Anyway, I am slowly and surely finding out the shocking low levels to which self-proclaimed” liberals” can stoop to when thwarted by democratic processes in India and less importantly in the US :

https://twitter.com/CChristineFair/stat ... 7282351105

Jealous woman syndrome. Melanie is far more attractive than madame Unfair.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 12 Nov 2016 11:46

Gus wrote:I am sorry, I won't waste time watching what Trump thinks about info wars.

Gusji,

Have you drank your liter of gau mutra yet?

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 12 Nov 2016 11:47

The more I think about it, Trump did almost everything in a very calculated but chaotic manner.

1) He found the real issues that made a lot of people pissed about status quo (as has been pointed out many times here before)
2) He found how to use those to drive a wedge between the "pissed off people" and the "things they are pissed off about" (the media/the current admin/ombaba care what not).
3) In doing (2) above, he made the media hate the people and people hate the media. (Including to some extent Fox). The accusations of "votes being rigged" before the elections now make sense to me.
4) He had a very well staffed team that knew where the risky spots were and he put a laser like focus in these areas.
5) He kept at it to the very end.

Hillary was a babe in the woods compared to the Trump machine. She thought she could just sit back and relax while Trump pressed the self-destruct button, but little did she know that the device that was blowing up was right under her campaign.

Basically, Donkeys and elephants are never gonna be the same again.

What an epic election.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Nov 2016 12:12

looks like the crooked US media was sure that the fix was in

Newsweek recalls 125,000 copies of its souvenir Madam President issue

Indian Express also carried big article by Surjit Bhalla 1 day b4 results declaring only fools think Trump can win.Hillary sure shot winner!

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 12 Nov 2016 12:16

TSJones wrote:
Singha wrote:is that huge blue shift state on the left colorado?

DT engineered a massive red shift around the great lakes , dakota plains and mississippi and ohio river valleys and down the appalachian states.

rest of the states did not shift much either way except the union territory, that center of the universe, SFO !!
he didn't engineer it. it was laying there on the ground ready to be harvested.

those folks were economically slaughtered by globalism among other things.

he was the only one to bother even mentioning it, so he got it,

While you are mostly correct, SIngha is not wrong when he said DT engineered a massive red shift. Apparently many people who have never voted in the last 5 elections voted. If that is not engineering, then what is?

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 12 Nov 2016 12:20

And the ahimsa wadi pissful protests descend into schools in the Bay Area. What an example the libtards are setting for their children.

Trump supporting student assaulted at Woodside High

Woodside High despite being the assigned high school for chi chi Woodside and Portola Valley is a pretty badly rated school.

habal · Post by **habal** » 12 Nov 2016 12:23

haven't seen a bigger bunch of wusses, as the boys in that assault video. Nobody sitting around raised a finger. Pathetic crowd.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 12 Nov 2016 12:31

Raja Bose wrote:And the ahimsa wadi pissful protests descend into schools in the Bay Area. What an example the libtards are setting for their children.

Trump supporting student assaulted at Woodside High

Woodside High despite being the assigned high school for chi chi Woodside and Portola Valley is a pretty badly rated school.

Friend of a friend got assaulted by a bunch of bar patrons on election night. His crime: He mentioned he had voted for Trump. Got sucker punched for his pains and has a pretty large shiner (got pics of it, as said friend had a camera handy). And then there was this defacement of a KTLA5 news van by angry democrats for no reason whatsoever.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Nov 2016 12:34

Monisha Rajesh has been fired from the @guardian her Twitter and Facebook accounts were removed by the company this morning @PrisonPlanet

The FBI may even have arrested her. Well deserved end for a presstitute.

Rishi Verma · Post by **Rishi Verma** » 12 Nov 2016 12:37

bharotshontan wrote:
Rudradev wrote:
Modi is not "lucky". Trump is a kindergartner. He will survive only if he proves to be a fraction of the leader Modi is.

ssundar wrote:
Amen to that one!

I was only looking at the post-election timeline. You are right. I also don't believe Trump can withstand a fraction of what Modi was subject to after taking office. Not unless he is coached by Modi himself
Agree with both of the above. Did anyone see poor Trump's face during sit-down with Brobama? Looked like deep state had already let him know where he stands lol. Even Modi is having to carefully dance around this gradually and strategically to overturn it in our favor. I don't think Trump is made of that material.

The thread gonna be closed soon and we can post away anything not already said.

B-Shontan some of your write-ups were interesting but when you start face reading and body language reading from few seconds of TV clips it discredits the analysis.

Modi and Trump are totally different animals, different backgrounds, education, values.

Trump hasnt even spent a day as a PoTUS, and comparing one's future performance and Modi's current performance is worse than tarot card reading. Anyway.. It's called internet analytics

OT
On a separate note I would like to pick your brain about the situation in WB where intellectuals of type A are fleeing the state and intellectuals of type-B, C, D are feeling empowered. In tamilnadu intellectuals of all types are fleeing the state. Curious to see your view on some other forum (Indian interests or GDF). Thanks.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 12 Nov 2016 12:55

Where are the intellectuals fleeing to?

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 12 Nov 2016 12:58

If that desi sounding journalist is a USC, then she deserves what she got. If not, can a country arrest a journo (assuming he/she is a citizen of that country) for making an absurd and despicable comment about another country's state head?

Sicanta · Post by **Sicanta** » 12 Nov 2016 13:07

For all the vitriol that was spewed against modi for 12 years straight, majority in the general public, in cities or hinterlands, ever fell for it. While others opted to give his gov a chance and have been supportive or atleast neutral since day 1. So quite surprising to see the liberal public in USA not quieten down. That they cant understand the difference between reality and propaganda by the media. The suckers dont paint a good picture of US.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 Nov 2016 13:07

I got the sense she is in chennai

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 Nov 2016 13:08

Zynda wrote:Where are the intellectuals fleeing to?

Sanctuary city sfo obviously

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 12 Nov 2016 13:09

Hitesh wrote:http://beingindian.com/news/ahoy-trumps ... gn=bifront

For those who still believes Trump is gonna make things great.

There is evidence on the internet to show clintonistas assaulted a 10 year old girl just for being pro trump.

You are mistaking Rakshaks for being pro trump. We predominantly are anti Hillary. My last on this.

Sicanta · Post by **Sicanta** » 12 Nov 2016 13:12

Wish someone could leak a video about clinton crying her eyes out.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Nov 2016 13:18

Zynda wrote:If that desi sounding journalist is a USC, then she deserves what she got. If not, can a country arrest a journo (assuming he/she is a citizen of that country) for making an absurd and despicable comment about another country's state head?

If you make a threat against the POTUS, you will be arrested. USC or not. Wasn't an Indian student arrested for threatening Bush??

vikram buddhi, criminal charge, threatening the life of George W. Bush and Bush's family

it also extends to the POTUS in waiting, as he is under the active protection of the Secret Service.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 12 Nov 2016 14:01

panduranghari wrote:You are mistaking Rakshaks for being pro trump. We predominantly are anti Hillary. My last on this.

That's fair. To me, its a matter of some angst that when China was in the midst of its strongest economic expansion (2000-2008), the global economy was relatively stable, it had easy access to capital and there were no significant barriers to free trade, while a Modi-led India will have to face big hurdles on all three counts in a more uncertain unstable environment.

Given that the kind of capital/investment that India needs, over the coming few years, is measured in the trillion of dollars, stability should have trumped ideology for at least for BRFites.

Modi could have handled the Clintons just fine. Global uncertainty... is much bigger challenge. Nobody knows what Trump will do, not even Trump himself. That itself leads to an environment which is not too great for commerce.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 12 Nov 2016 14:25

NRao wrote:Well, well, well. What do we know. Mr. Presidente' Elect is backing off some of his key promises ...................... already.

* After meeting Obama, he is not just not going to repeal ObamaCare, but retaining two of its key points!!!
* Softened on "The Wall"?
* And, no special prosecutor for Hillary. Shame. Not only has she lost teh elections, but has lost this badge of honor too

Trump is the Republican Bernie. Lost in Rome.

Familiar pattern - the day after brexit the winning side basically said 'all the facts we gave you about why we had to leave are just guidance and not actually facts, so never mind grow up and btw all you leftie liberals had better shut up'

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 12 Nov 2016 15:02

If I had a vote, and I don't, I wouldn't have voted for Trump though I throughly despise Killary for her *Global* agenda including regime change, etc. Trump to me is an idiot but not a fool. His remarks will not help those who need help (rural folks) but will fuel the nut jobs.

With that out of way, I am happy that he has wrecked the globalist elitist agenda, at least the expansionary agenda. Not sure he will help India wrt Bakis at least I don't think so. On China he talked tough on Trade while taking the pressure off them wrt Japan/Korea, etc. That would have been a mixed bag. If he backs up his word on trade then it is going to impact India too.

Not even folks who support him think he will deliver on ALL or MOST of his talk. All he has to do it deliver on a few key items to keep the faith of these folks. The most watched will be deportation of the illegals and sealing the US-mexico border. Next comes Trade/Jobs followed by Obamacare. There are others like judicial appointment, EPA, rolling back Obama's executive orders where he can deliver.

Don't know how his term will pan out but at least for Indian perspective, if he keeps his focus on inside politics he will give India a bit of relief on the globalist elite agenda. That is a positive and by the end of his term India will be in a better position to deal with them.

Will be interesting to watch the fun and game in DC.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 12 Nov 2016 15:11

I think india will get a tough time with trade and an easier ride against pakistan
Obama has already blessed thr modi doctrine vs pakistan and there is not a single word being said about surfical strikes, etc
Trade, visas, outsourcing- these will hurt, and china may feel more aggressive and emboldened

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 12 Nov 2016 15:37

Viv S wrote: That's fair. To me, its a matter of some angst that when China was in the midst of its strongest economic expansion (2000-2008), the global economy was relatively stable, it had easy access to capital and there were no significant barriers to free trade, while a Modi-led India will have to face big hurdles on all three counts in a more uncertain unstable environment.

Given that the kind of capital/investment that India needs, over the coming few years, is measured in the trillion of dollars, stability should have trumped ideology for at least for BRFites.

Modi could have handled the Clintons just fine. Global uncertainty... is much bigger challenge. Nobody knows what Trump will do, not even Trump himself. That itself leads to an environment which is not too great for commerce.

In global perspectives, I posted a youtube video by Grant Williams called -Crazy:The story of debt.

When you say India needs access to capital. We have access to capital. Capital does not mean US dollars alone. This is important to internalise.

When you say India needs Free Trade. We HONESTLY dont. We needed internal free trade and GST has already done that. We dont buy much from other countries, neither do we sell to others much. Except OIL.

Economic expansion also called growth cannot be sustained permanently. Unlike what the western economists who think economy is a machine and can be continuous be improved by tinkering, Indic view is different. Economy is not a machine. Its a living organism. A super organism. It breathes in and breathes out. Breathing in is the expansion. Breathing out is the necessary contraction to expel CO2 so that fresh O2 can be inhaled again. This is important to internalise.

West as we know it collapsing under its own weight. On all measures- capital investments, debt growth, demographics, internal fissures.

We should stick to strategic ambivalence. I believe C Rajamohan has stated it. I am open to be corrected.

If west wants to engage India and derive benefit, they must accept Indian Exceptionalism. Trump will be more willing to accept this than Clinton ever will because as a businessman he understands the concept of letting the other party feel that they have won.

West should worry about stability. India does not. India gains much from disruption from the current status quo. I do find Rudradev ji's analysis that Westphalian model still has legs, a tad confusing because I feel the glue holding the westphalian model itself is loosing it stickiness.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 12 Nov 2016 15:48

beautiful post phari.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 12 Nov 2016 16:06

Seeing the call for assasination above - am also remonded of trumps speech about 'maybe you 2nd amendment people can do something about that?'

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 Nov 2016 16:33

Tom Holland
3:56 PM GMT+0530
Hillary thought all it required for her to win was being not Trump. Unfortunately, she couldn't stop being Hillary.