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Postby Peregrine » 08 Jan 2017 19:34

Sending Pak general to lead Saudi-led coalition inappropriate: analyst

Lt Gen (retd) Talat Masood says coalition not backed by all Muslim states

ISLAMABAD: A senior Pakistani analyst believes that appointment of former Pak army chief General Raheel Sharif (retd) as Saudi led coalition chief is not appropriate.

In an interview with a foreign news agency, Lieutenant General Talat Masood (retd) said the whole coalition is controversial and heading an organization which does not have the full support of Muslim world is not a correct decision to be made.

Defence Minister Kh Muhammad Asif has confirmed the recent development that Gen Raheel was made the chief of Saudi led coalition.

Gen Talat Masood said that this coalition backs Saudi Arabia which is fighting war in Yemen and has its own interests. “There are many countries which are backing Saudi Arabia, but at the same time there are also countries which are opposing Saudi Arabia in Yemen,” he noted.

He said at the personal level, this appointment shows that Gen Raheel Sharif’s services during his three-year tenure as Pak army chief had been lauded and the Saudis appointed him on the basis of his performance, but the fact remains that this appointment has been done by the approval of Pakistani government, so there seems to be sort of approval of military engagement against Yemen by this coalition.

“One should be very careful while engaging in military operation in Yemen especially when there is no unanimity in the Muslim world specially regarding Yemen conflict,” said the analyst.

He was of the opinion that viewed the coalition cannot achieve its targets without key regional countries rather it could become a coalition against each other actually.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby CRamS » 08 Jan 2017 21:15

Since this is also related to TSP, cross posting from J&K thread. SSJi, look forward to your insight on whats cooking.

Very disappointed that Yashwant Sinha seems to have turned a WKK. Of late, he is advocating that India bend down on its knees before the Harried rats, and he even advocates kissing up to TSP. This from the same guy who just recently in his many speeches and articles was steadfast in maintaining that TSP is a perpetually hostile country, its a terrorist abomination, and no point talking to it. He even praised ModiJi for the surgical strikes. So what gives?

http://www.newsx.com/national/51967-dia ... want-sinha

It befuddles me that everyone advocates this BS about "talking to our own people in the valley". My bloody foot. They must answer the following questions:

1. What is the purpose of the talks? Not just some nonsense about "bringing p!ss". Those who recommend dialogue, do they unequivocally believe J&K is an integral part of India, and any alteration of this sacred principle will be a non starter in any dialogue?

2. If so called "our own people" demand secession in any talks, what will Indian govt's position be? After all, if dialogue is the only option, then in the dialogue, Kashmiri Muslims will re-iterate what they have always demanded: secession. So whats the purpose of the dialogue?

3. Anybody who thinks they can neatly separate out "our own people" in the valley from TSPA/ISI/RAPE needs to have their heads examined. "Our own people" cannot utter a single word without approval and remote control signal from TSP. Do they understand this or not?

4. Finally, do they understand or not that terror and violence in the valley is controlled and calibrated by TSP?

So every Johnny come lately pontificates on the "need for dialogue" with "our own people", but don't realize the futility of any such "dialogue". What saddens me in this whole thing is that for ages we have been saying that Harried rats have no credibility, they are irrelevant yada yada, and yet we have the likes of a BJP stalwart like Yashwant Sinha advocate that we suck up to those Paki pipsqueaks.

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Postby Falijee » 08 Jan 2017 21:58

Pakistan Has A "Foreign Problem" ; Exiled Paki Columnist Says That Gulf Arabs Are 'Wooing' The " Good Sharif" :roll:

The foreign problem
Cyril Almeida

WELL, knock us over with a feather and tickle us all over — Raheel is going to do what? And for whom?And why, exactly?Once the appointment fandango dies down and the hysterical conspiracy theories dissipate, we’ll probably be left with a whole bunch of ordinary.An ordinary decision for ordinary reasons by an ordinary man, who until recently was cheered by many as extraordinary.But we may all end up saying thank you one last time to the chief because he may have done us a favour. Raheel, like everyone else needs to financially support his extended family; therefore, he grabbed the Saudi job offered to him! :twisted:
Pakistan has a foreign problem.( It already has a GENERAL problem, and a DRINKING problem - these have already been "commented upon" by columnist Mohamed Hanif :D )
It’s been creeping up on us for a while, but Nawaz and Raheel have now helped make it public.
But between Nawaz’s Qatari prince and now Raheel’s Saudi benefactor, we’re seeing something that we shouldn’t:Doing business here — where state and individual are distinct, or at least should be — along lines that the Arabs do business there, where the line between state and individuals is deliberately blurred or non-existent.Rewind to last March. Iranian President Hassan Rouhani was in Pakistan and, after the Iran-US nuclear deal and lifting of some Western sanctions, there was hope that maybe Pakistan too would seek an opening.There was even wild, woolly talk of finally getting the Iran-Pakistan pipeline moving.But then something spectacular happened. The ISPR put out a couple of sentences effectively claiming that Raheel had rebuked Rouhani for allowing India to use Iranian territory to destabilise Balochistan.
Instantly, the air was sucked out of the trip. Rouhani didn’t even wait to get back to Tehran to react, rejecting the ISPR claim while still in Islamabad.It was hard to see the point to Raheel’s undiplomatic diplomacy back then and the best anyone has been able to come up with since is that it was an example of why diplomacy should be left to the diplomats.Until this week, that is. There’s zero reason to believe Raheel was motivated by anything other than the profound need to urgently share with the Iranian president his concern over Indian meddling in the region. So, according to this version Rouhani's visit was sabotaged by Raheel & Co and Pakistan's stance of neutrality in the Sunni- Shia equation was just a sham !
What matters now is that a perception has been created — and by Raheel himself in choosing to take a job so soon and so directly for a foreign power.Likely, the Raheel move won’t further complicate ties with Iran — we have kept Iran at an arm’s length anyway and Iran hasn’t exactly been convinced that a great breakthrough is imminent. The Iranis are "great chessplayers" ; IMO, I don't think that they were fooled by Pakistan's so-called neutrality in the Shia- Sunni dispute !
Turn to Nawaz. It’s not his fault that he was sent into exile and forced to spread the family business empire abroad.But it’s not our fault — you and me, the ordinary Pakistanis — that he chose to get into business with seemingly every damn royal family he and his family have ever had the luck of being in touch with.Plus, exile was more than 15 years ago and Nawaz’s return to Pakistan is almost a decade old. In today’s world, in today’s Pakistan, Nawaz is eying a decade-long continuous stretch in power. Fifteen in Punjab.The game has changed and the rules must too.Nawaz, prime minister or not, will always be an honoured guest in several Arab states. Sheikhs and potentates will have offers aplenty for the Sharif business empire.
Seemingly every year now brings a fresh case of conflict of interest between a Pakistani high official and an Arab state. ( Ganja's Houbara Hunting Invitation , and the Qatari Prince Affidavit On Behalf Of NS- come to mind !)Slowing that down is possible. In the Raheel variation, the counter measure would be relatively straightforward: a ban on serving a foreign power for at least two years after leaving office, and preferably longer.
If after that, employment is still sought, the need for governmental and perhaps even parliamentary approval can be mandated. ( In Pakistan, the Generals don't need anyone's permission to accept a job offer !)
No more business with foreign rulers — and off with your (political) head if you’re caught in this age of leaks.If change does happen, we should thank Nawaz and Raheel — it usually takes an exploitative sort to compel change.And if change doesn’t come, Nawaz and Raheel should thank us — for letting them get away with it.

In retrospect, it seems that the on-off, on-off relationship (and the mental torture endured by Ganja !) between the two Sharifs' was a bit of sham ! both of them were vying for the Saudi and Gulf Moolahs ; they were in it together and it has worked out well for BOTH of them :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby schinnas » 08 Jan 2017 22:07

Cyril Almeida is the next good Haqqani, sitting in the relative safety and comfort of US and pontificating to Paki deep state!

I hope US deep state finds a good job offer for him - may be as a faculty in journalism in some college so he dies not depend on employment from Dawn and can be unrestrained in his writings.

Btw, why is good Haqqani less active nowadays? Writing a book, is he?

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Postby salaam » 08 Jan 2017 23:11

chetak wrote: just like patriotism, protected mode tweets also seem to be the last resort of the scoundrel. :)


What's the meaning of this? Instead of patriotism the word is politician. Why do you choose to term it like this on brf ?

I recently heard this from a naxalite aap guy. After which I promptly left that whatsapp group.

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Postby chetak » 08 Jan 2017 23:16

salaam wrote:
chetak wrote: just like patriotism, protected mode tweets also seem to be the last resort of the scoundrel. :)


What's the meaning of this? Instead of patriotism the word is politician. Why do you choose to term it like this on brf ?

I recently heard this from a naxalite aap guy. After which I promptly left that whatsapp group.


i don't know where you are coming from.

I was referring to folks like christine fair who went protected mode after her meltdown.

there are many such examples on twitter, if you would care to look.

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Postby KJo » 08 Jan 2017 23:32

Evil Hindooos Modi and Doval killed Om Puri because he said nice things about Pakis. :((


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Postby Peregrine » 09 Jan 2017 00:08

salaam wrote:
chetak wrote: just like patriotism, protected mode tweets also seem to be the last resort of the scoundrel. :)


What's the meaning of this? Instead of patriotism the word is politician. Why do you choose to term it like this on brf ?

I recently heard this from a naxalite aap guy. After which I promptly left that whatsapp group.

salaam Ji :
Boswell tells us that Samuel Johnson made this famous pronouncement that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel on the evening of April 7, 1775.

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Postby chetak » 09 Jan 2017 00:13

Peregrine wrote:
salaam wrote:
What's the meaning of this? Instead of patriotism the word is politician. Why do you choose to term it like this on brf ?

I recently heard this from a naxalite aap guy. After which I promptly left that whatsapp group.

salaam Ji :
Boswell tells us that Samuel Johnson made this famous pronouncement that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel on the evening of April 7, 1775.

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Thanks saar.

That's what I actually meant before I misquoted.

much obliged.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Lisa » 09 Jan 2017 01:33

schinnas wrote:Indian Ambassador to Pakistan should issue a statement welcoming appointment of Ahmedia COAS in Pakistan as a welcome step to bring solace to the persecuted minority group and encourage Pakistan to give Ahmedias and other minorities equal rights.

It will get widely picked up by the local media and the fallouts would be fun to watch. Of-course, Paki leadership will be upset with the ambassador for commenting on internal issues of Pakistan, but this is something that Massa ambassadors do to third world countries all the time. India is to Pakistan what USA is to India in terms of development. So it might be OK. :-)

This is too good an opportunity for India to not highlight it.


Schinnasji,

Great idea. I have for a long time had a long list such as yours, etc, soon after Kashmir encounter say "Using local intelligence inputs the terrorists were intercepted", also after cross border firing, "With assistance from intelligence across the LOC, these targets were attacked", after shooting pigs at the LOC "The army ambushed the terrorists after receiving intelligence of their movements from POK". I can only hope to hear of the fun over the border, if you see my point.

P.S. there is an inexhaustible list of people to thank in pukistan. :)

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 09 Jan 2017 03:13

schinnas wrote:Cyril Almeida is the next good Haqqani, sitting in the relative safety and comfort of US and pontificating to Paki deep state!

I hope US deep state finds a good job offer for him - may be as a faculty in journalism in some college so he dies not depend on employment from Dawn and can be unrestrained in his writings.

Btw, why is good Haqqani less active nowadays? Writing a book, is he?


Schinnas-ji:
IMO, he has to be "careful" as to what he writes . He has his family in Pakiland to think of ; they can be termed as sort of "hostages" ( unharmed as of now ). He must be worried about their safety . Anything can happen; he may be "compelled" to return back. Time will tell ! :mrgreen:

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Postby Falijee » 09 Jan 2017 03:38

Om Puri's Sudden Death Blamed On RAA :roll:

We don’t know whether to laugh or cry as Pakistan TV channel says Modi behind Om Puri death

Nonsense, rubbish and pathetic. No we are not talking about Swami Om’s new theatric in Bigg Boss. These are the words that can best describe the news show on a Pakistani TV channel which claimed that actor Om Puri’s death was a brutal murder plotted by none other than Prime Minister Narendra Modi and National Security Advisor Ajit Doval. Yes, you read it right.
Modi and Doval killed Om Puri, according Pakistan’s Bol TV. And why did they kill Om Puri? Because Om Puri spoke in favour of Pakistani artistes when there were clamour against them in India after the Uri attack. Not just that. The actor, according to the news show, was recently summoned by Doval at his residence where he was brutally beaten up, stripped off his clothes, abused, and asked to go to Uri martyr Nitin Yadav’s village and apologise for his remark. Wow. They must think every country works like Pakistan.
Am pretty sure that this must have been "lapped up" by the Aam Abduls in their "daily dose" of Paki propa-gandu :mrgreen:
The anchor of the show in full voice also made a ‘sensational revealation’ of the post mortem report of Om Puri, the report which is yet to be prepared by the doctors and accessed by the Indian media. The so called post mortem report has revealed that the actor was forced to drink and when he was out of his sense he was smothered to death by a pillow. It also claimed that the body of Om Puri had the marks of the killer who was an agent of Doval. And the murder took place on the direction of Modi because, of course, Om Puri was the biggest threat to national security. And we thought Indian news shows were bad. Stay tuned, because he has an "eye witness to prove it, who will be on the show tomorrow :((
Om Puri, one of the finest actors India has ever produced, died on January 6 after suffering a cardiac arrest. The news of his sudden demise came as a big shock for lovers of cinema. Not just in India, but cinema lovers in Pakistan too paid rich tributes to the actors. And why not, Om did a number of Pakistani films and his performances were well received there.
Responsibility is a word that every journalist must always keep in mind while reporting a news. And that is simply missing from Pakistani journalists’ dictionary. In the name of sensationalism, they go to any extent to malign India, its policy, its leaders and also its people despite being proven wrong time and again. Some recent TV reports across the border even claimed that Pakistan won all the wars against India. RIP, facts. And if "Pakistan lost the wars" , it was due to internal "saazish" :mrgreen:
News of Puri’s death was published on many Urdu news websites, with most reports referring to his desire for better relations between the both the countries. Bol TV should have read those reports before telecasting such a ridiculous show. But then "ratings" need to be considered as well ! I doubt that, in this case the so-called PEMRA will be asked by some Aam Abdul to take action (like an FIR ) against this network !

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Postby Falijee » 09 Jan 2017 03:44

Four rights activists go missing in one week

ISLAMABAD - At least four human rights activists known on social media for their leftist views have gone missing this week, relatives and NGO workers told AFP Sunday, as analysts voiced rights concerns.Two of the men — Waqas Goraya and Asim Saeed — disappeared on January 4, according to a cybersecurity NGO, while Salman Haider (pictured) vanished Friday and Ahmed Raza Naseer Saturday, relatives said.The interior ministry has said it will investigate the disappearance of Haider, who is known for his outspoken views on enforced disappearances in Balochistan, but made no reference to the others. All four were active on social media groups.Pakistan is routinely ranked among the world's most dangerous for journalists, and reporting critical of the military is considered a major red flag, with journalists at times detained, beaten and even killed.
A case has been registered under Section 365 of the Pakistan Penal Code, which deals with “kidnapping or abducting with intent secretly and wrongfully to confine a person”, at the Loi Bher police station.
Tried and tested Tactics - applied in Balochistan - making its appearance in mainstream Pakiland ; warning to media activists by Deep State Actors !

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Postby Falijee » 09 Jan 2017 04:03

Former Pakistan army chief Raheel Sharif to lead 'Muslim Nato'

'Muslim Nato' :roll: What kind of an animal is that ? " If Christian Nato" was "against" Soviet Union ; Is Muslim Nato "Against" Iran :twisted: ?

- IMO,It should have been called Sunni Nato, led by an Sunni Ex COAS of Pakiland ( There are no Shia Nations in this so-called co-alition! and according to one observer, except for SA, all others members are on paper onlee !)

-So, there is still a very good chance that the much coveted "Fieldmarshall-ship" may well be within Raheel's grasp

- Just wondering what is the reaction of the Shia Aam Abduls of Pakiland to this Anti-Shia grouping

- Paki papers have not yet reported as to how the Irani Govt is reacting to this news ; so much so for the much -touted Paki neutrality in the Sunni-Shia tussle !

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Postby Prem » 09 Jan 2017 04:18

Falijee wrote:Former Pakistan army chief Raheel Sharif to lead 'Muslim Nato'
b] - Just wondering what is the reaction of the Shia Aam Abduls of Pakiland to this Anti-Shia grouping
- Paki papers have not yet reported as to how the Irani Govt is reacting to this news ; so much so for the much -touted Paki neutrality in the Sunni-Shia tussle !


It was the same Raheel and his ISI Tail who insulted the visiting President of Iran short ago. Not only Iran but both Russia and Afghans will now know the thinking of ShitPitIn-sects of PA.

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Postby Falijee » 09 Jan 2017 04:39

India, Pakistan and a Tale of Two Army Chiefs•

By Harsha Kakar

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General Qamar Javed Bajwa assumed the mantle of Pakistan’s army chief in November, while General Bipin Rawat took command of the Indian army last weekend. General Rawat was commissioned in 1978, General Bajwa in 1980. Both had served almost simultaneously in the same mission in Congo, the difference being that General Rawat commanded the North Kivu Brigade and General Bajwa the South Kivu Brigade. The force commander was an ex-Indian army chief, General Bikram Singh. Both generals are from the infantry. While General Bajwa superseded four generals to assume his chair, General Rawat superseded two. This is possibly where the similarity ends. Both have very different roles and challenges ahead.
The Indian army is the world’s largest volunteer army and in strength, the third largest, while Pakistan’s is the sixth. In Pakistan, the army chief is the most powerful individual in the nation. Although appointed by the prime minister, Pakistan’s army chiefs assume more power than the prime minister and at times have even overthrown the same individual who appointed them. General Bajwa was chosen to lead Pakistan’s army because of his views on supporting civilian governments. His professionalism and capability were secondary considerations. General Rawat was chosen solely for his professionalism, capability and experience of having served in every sector, rather than his approach to democracy. He will remain away from politics and have no role in national decision-making.
The Indian army controls the Assam Rifles, the sole para-military force in the nation. All other central forces are directly under the home ministry, some of whom may be under the army for operational control only when deployed along the borders. Other than the Assam Rifles (officered by the army), each central force has its own cadre. The Pakistan army, on the other hand, controls every para-military force in the country. Therefore, it wields complete power, as every armed force is under its command. Hence, directly or indirectly it is responsible for restoring order during civil unrest. This control gives the Pakistan army chief his power and the capability to launch coups.

The Pakistan army chief is the sole authority to decide the nation’s foreign policy towards India and Afghanistan, as also national security. It is his ISI that controls terror groups, who would up or lower the ante against India and Afghanistan based on his directions. It is he who takes the final call on the ongoing policy of ‘bleeding India by a thousand cuts’. His counterpart in India has no such authority. He has no link with national intelligence agencies including RAW, as they report directly to the NSA. He can only strategically plan to defeat Pakistan’s designs in Jammu and Kashmir and ensure the LoC remains secure and inviolable.
In case of any war like scenario, the power to control the nuclear button in India is with the prime minister and the cabinet. The Strategic Forces Command, which controls all nuclear assets, functions directly under the PMO. General Rawat has no role to play in this regard. In Pakistan, it is General Bajwa who, de facto, will take a call on whether the nuclear card is to be employed and at what level. This is not a call that the civil government gets to take, whatever the formal status the prime minister may enjoy in the country’s Nuclear Command Authority.
General Rawat inherits a secular army where religion and caste have no place. The basic document of the soldier has no mention of caste and all members of a unit celebrate every religious event together. The Indian army does not preach hatred towards Pakistan and a soldier is only exhorted to do his duty for the motherland. General Bajwa, on the other hand, inherits an army whose sole obsession is obtaining control of Kashmir. The army is taught to hate India. Religious minorities have no place in their army. It is an army based on religious fundamentalism, which is difficult to change. This impacts any civil government decision to commence peace talks.
In India, any decision taken by the government involving the army is termed as politicising the army, as has happened in the case of appointing General Rawat as the new chief or seeking credit for last year’s ‘surgical strikes’. In Pakistan, it is the army, which at times, is called in to broker peace between warring political parties. The army can alter politics in Pakistan, whereas the government can politicise the army in India.
While the Indian army, backed by a sound economy, has commenced modernisation, its demand for a reasonable share of the union Budget for upgradation has never been met. The Pakistan army, on the other hand, can demand and get. However, a poor economy places severe restrictions on its modernisation, compelling it to depend on largesse from China and the US.
The Indian army is currently battling an insurgency in J&K and the Northeast. It has two active borders to defend, both neighbours being hostile. Pakistan, on the other hand, is responsible for activating the Indian border and the J&K insurgency, while employing a major part of its force to battle armed groups in different parts of the country. Further, with a militarily weak nation like Afghanistan on one border, it has only one active border to protect.
The Indian army has suffered in status, pay and allowances at the hands of the polity and bureaucracy. It has yet to gain the benefits of the latest pay commission. Even its allowances and status have been lowered to the level of the central police forces, way below the bureaucracy and IPS. The Pakistan army demands and gets its increments. Every other government service is below the army in standing and stature. The army reigns supreme in Pakistan. For instance, in retaliation to the killing of an army major, the Pakistan army demolished a business centre in Wana, South Waziristan.
General Rawat will continue to follow his predecessor in handling problems faced by army veterans including OROP and their rehabilitation. The Pakistan army welfare foundations, on the other hand, control thousands of business ventures in the country, ranging from petrol pumps to industrial plants with a turnover of over $20 bn. It re-employs its soldiers and officers in plum posts in its internal ventures. Their army chief heads their army welfare foundation.
n summary, both chiefs face entirely opposite scenarios. While one controls the polity, the other is controlled by it, while one has complete freedom to function, the other is hemmed in by politicians and bureaucracy, and while one is the most powerful individual in the country and essential for approving foreign policy and security issues, the other is kept away from decision-making. This is the difference between a near military state Pakistan, compared to a democratic India.


Pakistan, even after 70 years remains a security state, while India for 70 years has remained a democracy ; while Raheel Sharif has accepted a military position abroad after his retirement without hesitation, I doubt that such a situation can occur in India

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby anupmisra » 09 Jan 2017 04:54

Raw@heel Sharif is now officially Riyal Sharif.

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Postby Peregrine » 09 Jan 2017 05:29

X Posted on the PESW Thread

Ub Pchhtaye Kaa Hoi Jub Chidian Choog Gayi Khet!

Local lobby fears Chinese entrance in textile sector

LAHORE: Pakistan seems to have placed a lot of faith in the ‘game-changing’ China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), but the local business community still has some concerns.

Stakeholders of the country’s textile sector are anticipating a further decline, fearing that if Chinese companies started relocating their textile units in different tax-free industrial zones in Pakistan, they would go out of business.

“Whenever China enters any country it damages the domestic market – it’s a fact,” said Pakistan Readymade Garments Manufacturers and Exporters Association (PRGMEA) Senior Vice President Jawad Choudhry while talking to a group of journalists.

“Our industry is currently facing a declining trend due to the high cost of doing business and productivity, whereas China plays with price by increasing its production,” he added.

Industry experts believe that if China locates its textile units to Pakistan they will have an edge over the existing players due to the benefits, such as tax-free zones, under CPEC. An additional benefit for them would be the energy prices as they are setting up their own power plants to feed their industries in Pakistan.

“We expect the government to share CPEC cost and benefit ratio with the local industry so we can plan for our future investments,” said PRGMEA Central Chairman Ijaz Khokhar, adding that CPEC business wing should be established to safeguard the existing local industries as well as international investors.

Khokhar said that Pakistani government should bind Chinese investors to establish new industries as a Joint Venture with local stakeholders with 49:51 equity ratios.

“It is not possible for existing local players to relocate their industries in tax free zones in the current scenario.”
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Postby Falijee » 09 Jan 2017 05:59

Peregrine wrote:X Posted on the PESW Thread

Ub Pchhtaye Kaa Hoi Jub Chidian Choog Gayi Khet!

Local lobby fears Chinese entrance in textile sector


Peregrine-ji:

"Gamechanger" CPEC ( Colon - izing Pakistan To Enrich China !) Is It A" Trojan Horse "? :mrgreen:
or is it more appropriately a Chini Horse !

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Postby Peregrine » 09 Jan 2017 06:04

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Ub Pchhtaye Kaa Hoi Jub Chidian Choog Gayi Khet!

Local lobby fears Chinese entrance in textile sector

LAHORE: Pakistan seems to have placed a lot of faith in the ‘game-changing’ China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), but the local business community still has some concerns.

Stakeholders of the country’s textile sector are anticipating a further decline, fearing that if Chinese companies started relocating their textile units in different tax-free industrial zones in Pakistan, they would go out of business.

“Whenever China enters any country it damages the domestic market – it’s a fact,” said Pakistan Readymade Garments Manufacturers and Exporters Association (PRGMEA) Senior Vice President Jawad Choudhry while talking to a group of journalists.

“Our industry is currently facing a declining trend due to the high cost of doing business and productivity, whereas China plays with price by increasing its production,” he added.

Industry experts believe that if China locates its textile units to Pakistan they will have an edge over the existing players due to the benefits, such as tax-free zones, under CPEC. An additional benefit for them would be the energy prices as they are setting up their own power plants to feed their industries in Pakistan.

“We expect the government to share CPEC cost and benefit ratio with the local industry so we can plan for our future investments,” said PRGMEA Central Chairman Ijaz Khokhar, adding that CPEC business wing should be established to safeguard the existing local industries as well as international investors.

Khokhar said that Pakistani government should bind Chinese investors to establish new industries as a Joint Venture with local stakeholders with 49:51 equity ratios.

“It is not possible for existing local players to relocate their industries in tax free zones in the current scenario.”
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2017 08:21

Peregrine wrote:Local lobby fears Chinese entrance in textile sector
LAHORE:“Whenever China enters any country it damages the domestic market – it’s a fact,” said Pakistan Readymade Garments Manufacturers and Exporters Association (PRGMEA) Senior Vice President Jawad Choudhry while talking to a group of journalists.

Wait till Pakistanis find many other things . . .Al Hamdolillah.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Prem » 09 Jan 2017 08:25

CPEC- Chinese Pig Eating Cuisine For ham eating Jinnah's Pakistan. Chinese will give Quaid's eating habits to all Pakipashusullahs and Ullahis.

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Postby arun » 09 Jan 2017 15:03

KJo wrote:Evil Hindooos Modi and Doval killed Om Puri because he said nice things about Pakis. :((




Huffington Post on the bizarre and absurd story put out by the Mohammadden Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan Bol TV’s Aamir Liaqat, that our Prime Minister Narendra Modi and our NSA Ajit Doval murdered Bollywood actor Om Puri :rotfl: :

Truly Bizarre: Pakistani Channel Claims Narendra Modi And Ajit Doval Murdered Om Puri

The critically acclaimed actor died after suffering a heart attack on 6 January.

09/01/2017 8:36 AM IST | Updated 4 hours ago

In a spot of truly bizarre reporting, a Pakistan-based TV channel has claimed that Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his National Security Advisor Ajit Doval are behind the death of actor Om Puri, who died last week of a heart attack at the age of 66.

Aamir Liaqat, the host of a news show on Bol TV, told his audience that Modi and Doval murdered Puri for several reasons including his backing of Pakistani artistes, his "fondness" for Pakistan, and his "interest" in Islam. "Om Puri was murdered," he said on the show Aisay Nahin Chalega. "Doval, the right hand man of Modi, is doing such work. Modi is a dirty man and his work is very dirty."

Liaqat then showed a clip of Delhi Chief Minister Arvind Kejriwal lashing out at Modi. The anchor also claimed that Modi had harbored a grudge against Puri because he had acted in the movie Dev which was based on the 2002 Gujarat Riots, when Modi was chief minister of the state.

Doval and another agent entered Puri's house and killed him either by strangling the actor or suffocating him a with a pillow, Liaqat said. The anchor also claimed that alcohol was forcibly poured into his mouth before he was strangled.

Liaqat told his audience that a week before Puri died, Doval had summoned the actor to his office and abused him, and told him to go to the village of Nitin Yadav, a soldier who was killed in the Uri terrorist attack, and apologize. He also said that Puri was stripped naked and beaten.

The RSS (Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh) and Shiv Sena also backed the plan, Liaqat claimed. Fawad Khan and Salman Khan are next on Doval's hit list, the Pakistani channel claimed.

Huffington Post


Other news media on the bizarre and absurd story put out by the Mohammadden Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan Bol TV’s Aamir Liaqat, that our Prime Minister Narendra Modi and our NSA Ajit Doval murdered Bollywood actor Om Puri:

We don’t know whether to laugh or cry as Pakistan TV channel says Modi behind Om Puri death

Pakistani Journalist Aamir Liaquat Goes Nuts, Says PM Modi, Ajit Doval Are Behind Om Puri's Death.

Unfortunately, as demonstrated by the Mohammadden Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Defence Minister Khawaja Asif who issued a nuclear threat to Israel after falling for a fake story, the people of the Islamic Republic do fall for any old nonsense:

Pakistan minister issues nuclear warning to Israel after 'being tricked by fake news site'

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2017 16:29

It has gone to absurd lengths now, blaming Modi for everything.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 09 Jan 2017 16:57

China Troubled By Pakistan Press And Pakistan Politicians .

China’s Trouble With Pakistan’s Turbulent Democracy

The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) is the coming together of two entirely different political cultures and systems. Even though this bilateral relationship has been termed as “higher than the mountains, deeper than the oceans, sweeter than honey, and stronger than steel,” the core of this bond is limited to the politico-diplomatic and military domains. In other words, it is a state-to-state relationship managed by specific institutions such as the top government officials (heads of state and government), diplomats, and of course, the two militaries. Thus free from of their respective public and cultural strictures, the two neighbors have sustained an apparently impeccable relationship. However, with the coming of CPEC, the things are changing.
Apart from security concerns in Pakistan, China seems to have trouble accepting the way Pakistan’s media and political parties have handled this multi-billion project. Since this debate relates to the working together of two distinct political systems, looking back at how the structure of each country functions would be pertinent. That is why the Chinese have appointed a funny sounding Chinese diplomat with the name of Mohamed so- and so to "soothe" Paki fears about the Project :mrgreen:
China has a one-party system with the decision-making process on all key national issues highly centralized. Thus power usually flows from the top down.
n contrast, Pakistan over the last ten years has been a nascent democracy with federalism taking deeper roots in the aftermath of the 18th amendment.
The Chinese are conventionally known for their calm and circumspect diplomacy even at times of boiling crisis. But in case of Pakistan and CPEC, this diplomatic norm seems to be already under strain. The Chinese have made no secret of their frustrations and have shown their displeasure in a number of ways.
Perhaps not so accustomed to the complexities of democracy, the Chinese have been utterly dismayed by such criticism at times. Its mission in Islamabad has been compelled to plead time and again for political consensus on CPEC. Unfortunately, the tactic has not worked. Now Beijing is trying a new tactic: sending some of its leading figures with a special message for Pakistan’s political groups. For example, during a recent[b] visit by Zheng Xiaosong, a vice minister in the Communist Party of China’s International Department, the Chinese official’s stentorian call for Pakistan’s political parties “to resolve their differences and make CPEC a success” was an unusual development.
But is this working ?
Taking these glitches into consideration, how can the two countries manage the potential clash of their political cultures and save the day? Democracy or no (sham!) democracy; the Pakis have hitched their fate to the Chini- wagon ! The Paki Fauj can be relied on to fulfill the wishes of the Chini-blothers :mrgreen:
Now that Pakistan and China are expanding their relationship to new horizons, such undesirable scenarios should be expected and dealt with adroitly. No relationship is problem-free and this “all-weather” friendship is no exception. :roll: Soothing words- but will this "solve the problem"

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Baikul » 09 Jan 2017 19:00

Falijee wrote:[url=https://t.co/wd3DrXEhlv]............

- IMO,It should have been called Sunni Nato, led by an Sunni Ex COAS of Pakiland....


Raheel Sharif the Sunni general versus Qasem Soleimani the Shia general - the scenarios practically write themselves, accompanied by martial music.

With Qamar Javed Bajwa the Quadiani general prancing in the sidelines.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Rishi Verma » 09 Jan 2017 19:35

Falijee wrote:Former Pakistan army chief Raheel Sharif to lead 'Muslim Nato'

'Muslim Nato' :roll: What kind of an animal is that ? " If Christian Nato" was "against" Soviet Union ; Is Muslim Nato "Against" Iran :twisted: ?


Foul Smelling Nato is a soybean gunk made from brain-eating bacteria loved by pork-eating Japanese. So Muslim Nato must be made from goat balls suitable for goat-raping pakis.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Peregrine » 09 Jan 2017 19:56

Prem wrote:CPEC- Chinese Pig Eating Cuisine For ham eating Jinnah's Pakistan. Chinese will give Quaid's eating habits to all Pakipashusullahs and Ullahis.

Prem Ji :

1. Jinnah – Ham Sandwiches and Pork Sausages

One afternoon, during the election campaign, as Jinnah and M.C. Chagla were going out for lunch, Mrs Ruttie Jinnah drove up to the Town Hall in Jinnah's limousine and came up the steps with a tiffin basket in her hand. She said, 'J [that is how she called him] guess what I have brought you for lunch' I have brought you some lovely ham sandwiches.' Utterly startled, Jinnah exclaimed: 'My God! What have you done' Do you want me to lose my election' Do you realize I am standing from a Muslim separate electorate seat, and if my voters were to learn that I am going to eat ham sandwiches for lunch, do you think I have a ghost of a chance of being elected' A downcast Mrs Jinnah retreated quickly, tiffin basket and all. But Jinnah and Chagla went on to have lunch at Cornaglia's, a well-known Bombay restaurant, where Jinnah ordered a plate of pastry, a plate of pork sausages and coffee.

2. In Roses in December by M C Chagla, Chagla recalls an incident, referred to by Soli Sorabjee also recently, Jinnah and Chagla were at a Bombay restaurant, Cornaglia. Jinnah ordered two cups of coffee, a plate of pastry and a plate of pork sausages. As they were enjoying their snacks, in came an old bearded Muslim with a young boy. Tea and soft tea were ordered for them. Somehow the young boy picked up one of the sausages and started eating it with much relish.

After they left, Jinnah admonished Chagla for allowing the young Muslim boy to consume the forbidden meat. Chagla said his dilemma was whether he would let Jinnah lose the municipal election by revealing the contents of the snack or consign the boy to eternal damnation. Chagla decided in Jinnah’s favour.

I am going to try and get hold of the book Roses in December by M C Chagla for confirmation.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby IndraD » 09 Jan 2017 20:22

Pakistan test-fires first nuclear-capable submarine cruise missile Babur-3

LAMABAD: Pakistan on Monday successfully test-fired its first Submarine-Launched Cruise Missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead up to 450km from an undisclosed location in the Indian Ocean, giving the country a "credible" second-strike capability, the military said.
The missile, Babur-3, was fired from an underwater, mobile platform and hit its target with precise accuracy, the Inter Services Public Relations, the media wing of the Pakistani military said in a statement.
Babur-3, which has a range of 450km, is a sea-based variant of Ground Launched Cruise Missile (GLCM) Babur-2, which was successfully tested earlier in December, last year.
The Babur-3 SLCM incorporates state-of-the-art technologies including underwater controlled propulsion and advanced guidance and navigation features, duly augmented by Global Navigation, Terrain and Scene Matching Systems.
The missile features terrain hugging and sea skimming flight capabilities to evade hostile radars and air defenses, in addition to certain stealth technologies, in an emerging regional Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) environment, the release said.
Babur-3 SLCM in land-attack mode, is capable of delivering various types of payloads and will provide Pakistan with a "credible second-strike capability, augmenting deterrence," the statement said.
While the pursuit and now the successful attainment of a second strike capability by Pakistan represents a major scientific milestone, it is manifestation of the strategy of measured response to nuclear strategies and postures being adopted in Pakistan's neighbourhood, it said, in an obvious reference to India.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2017 20:54

^ The Babur-2 LACM was inducted after just one test. That was China's C-602 LACM.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Baikul » 09 Jan 2017 21:07

IndraD wrote:Pakistan test-fires first nuclear-capable submarine cruise missile Babur-3

LAMABAD: Pakistan on Monday successfully test-fired its first Submarine-Launched Cruise Missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead up to 450km ....... the military said.
The missile, Babur-3, was fired from an underwater, mobile platform and hit its target with precise accuracy,............

While the pursuit and now the successful attainment of a second strike capability by Pakistan represents a major scientific milestone..................


1. "The military said". 'Nuff said.

2. "was fired from an underwater, mobile platform"- so not necessarily a submarine? If a submarine, anyone thinks it's a Baki submarine, really? Maybe a Chinese platform (makes some sense)?

Indeed, we may need to evaluate this development, but Bakijabis being the arrant bull$hitters they are, some reading between the lines is needed.

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Postby Peregrine » 09 Jan 2017 21:25

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Plunging exports cause trade deficit to widen to $14.5b

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s trade deficit widened to $14.5 billion during the first half of the ongoing fiscal year due to a steep decline in exports and double-digit growth in imports, torpedoing the government’s external account projections.
The government closed the last fiscal year 2015-16 at an eight-year low level of exports, which dropped to $20.8 billion despite preferential access to European markets. The exports have been declining since the current government took over, falling from $24.5 billion in 2012-13.
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Postby Falijee » 09 Jan 2017 21:53

Trump Foreign Policy To Focus On Asia ; Trump May Appoint POI Ashley Tellis As Ambassador To India.

Trump could make Obama’s pivot to Asia a reality

Public discussion of Donald Trump’s foreign policy has focused on the fight against terrorism and the U.S. relationship with Russia, and since the election the president-elect has nominated no one with Asia expertise to a senior position in his administration. That’s fueled concern among U.S. Pacific allies about where the region will stand among White House priorities during the next four years.
Behind the scenes, however, the Trump transition is preparing its own pivot to Asia. As the team that will implement that policy takes shape, what’s emerging is an approach that harkens back to past Republican administrations — but also seeks to actualize the Obama administration’s ambition of enhancing the U.S. presence in the region. Transition officials say the Trump administration will take a hawkish view of China, focus on bolstering regional alliances, have a renewed interest in Taiwan, be skeptical of engagement with North Korea and bolster the U.S. Navy’s fleet presence in the Pacific.
On the ambassadorial level, Trump’s Asia appointments are outpacing those for other regions and include top Asia hands. Transition sources said Trump is close to selecting Ashley Tellis, a former White House official and renowned India expert, to be the next U.S. ambassador to India. ( So, if true it will be a political appointee with a Jewish background ; but the person was also previously working in a Think Tank and has come to India a few times !) China hands were reassured with Trump’s selection of Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad (R) to be his envoy in Beijing.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby salaam » 09 Jan 2017 22:06

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Peregrine wrote:salaam Ji :
Boswell tells us that Samuel Johnson made this famous pronouncement that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel on the evening of April 7, 1775.

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Thanks saar.

That's what I actually meant before I misquoted.

much obliged.


Thanks for that, I stand corrected.

Kindly pardon the rant, next time I will do a simple google check before trusting old second-hand quotes.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Prem » 10 Jan 2017 00:43

Patriotism or Pakistan is the refuge of every scoundrel?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby ramana » 10 Jan 2017 01:17

Prem wrote:Patriotism or Pakistan is the refuge of every scoundrel?



Very true.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby RKumar » 10 Jan 2017 01:40

Babur-3 is provided by chinese as they have given the indication two days back. It was not a co-incident but Global times let the secert deal out in open, because agni tests touched their raw nerve. They wanted to send a message while doing illegal missiles transfer. Extending the range of missiles would have put their own security at risk so they provided the sub based missile. Chinese will provide subs in future but missiles are already profiliated to their proxy. when they are not able track down their land based fired missiles :rotfl: :rotfl: forget having sea based stuff.

It is no technology transfer but only handful missiles were transferred. :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby gakakkad » 10 Jan 2017 02:58

Falijee wrote:Trump Foreign Policy To Focus On Asia ; Trump May Appoint POI Ashley Tellis As Ambassador To India.

Trump could make Obama’s pivot to Asia a reality

Public discussion of Donald Trump’s foreign policy has focused on the fight against terrorism and the U.S. relationship with Russia, and since the election the president-elect has nominated no one with Asia expertise to a senior position in his administration. That’s fueled concern among U.S. Pacific allies about where the region will stand among White House priorities during the next four years.
Behind the scenes, however, the Trump transition is preparing its own pivot to Asia. As the team that will implement that policy takes shape, what’s emerging is an approach that harkens back to past Republican administrations — but also seeks to actualize the Obama administration’s ambition of enhancing the U.S. presence in the region. Transition officials say the Trump administration will take a hawkish view of China, focus on bolstering regional alliances, have a renewed interest in Taiwan, be skeptical of engagement with North Korea and bolster the U.S. Navy’s fleet presence in the Pacific.
On the ambassadorial level, Trump’s Asia appointments are outpacing those for other regions and include top Asia hands. Transition sources said Trump is close to selecting Ashley Tellis, a former White House official and renowned India expert, to be the next U.S. ambassador to India. ( So, if true it will be a political appointee with a Jewish background ; but the person was also previously working in a Think Tank and has come to India a few times !) China hands were reassured with Trump’s selection of Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad (R) to be his envoy in Beijing.


that would be good news for india if true...tellis worked hard for the nuke deal...btw why are u posting this in STFU-P thread ?

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Postby Peregrine » 10 Jan 2017 03:51

At least 5 dead as fire breaks out at Gadani shipbreaking yard
At least five people were killed and one other injured when a fire broke out in a ship parked on plot 60 of the Gadani shipbreaking yard in Hub on Monday, police sources said.
Police sources pointed out that this was the same ship that caught fire in December last year.
According to the police, rescue workers were still looking for three people; Bashir Mehmood Dani, president of the Ship Workers Union, claimed that the number of missing people is eight.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby SSridhar » 10 Jan 2017 06:05

Govt urged to clarify Raheel’s induction as chief of ‘Muslim NATO’ - DT
Senate Chairman Raza Rabbani on Monday asked the government to clarify the appointment of former army chief General (r) Raheel Sharif as chief of the Islamic Military Alliance.

The chairman asked Defence Minister Khawaja Asif to appear before the Upper House on Wednesday. He said the government should inform the Senate about rules under which the former army chi ef was allowed to join the new job. Asif was asked to explain whether a no objection certificate (NOC) was issued to the former army chief. The defence minister sought time and said he would inform the Senate in this regard.

"As you are aware that this thing was in the pipeline for quite some time and the prime minister was also part of the deliberations," the defence minister said. {So, Nawaz used this ruse to get rid of Raheel, then. And, for his part, Raheel's pious protestations were just optics}


The Saudi government had last year surprised many countries by announcing that it had forged a coalition for coordinating and supporting military operations in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt and Afghanistan.


Dar says Gen Sharif sure to weigh obligations before joining Islamic coalition force - DAWN
Federal Finance Minister Ishaq Dar on Monday said he believes that retired Gen Raheel Sharif will consult the government and fulfill all his legal and constitutional obligations before taking any decision on chairing the 39-nation Islamic coalition force.

While talking to anchorperson Nadeem Malik on Samaa TV, Dar revealed that Saudi Arabia had wanted Raheel Sharif to chair the coalition force even while he was heading Pakistan Army.

"[However,] Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, the government and the then Chief of Armed Staff (COAS) were in consensus that it would be a conflict of interests [to do so]," he said, adding that it would not have been suitable for Gen Raheel Sharif to be Pakistan's COAS while also heading a coalition force of 39 countries.

"He [Raheel Sharif] is currently on a visit to Saudi Arabia for his umra, and if he has received an offer in this regard, he will fill his constitutional and legal obligations before he takes it up," Dar said.

"Knowing Gen Raheel Sharif, (I can say that) he will leave nothing [up] in the air and will fulfill the prerequisites," he added.


The minister further clarified that he was not aware specifically if Gen Sharif had been made an offer or not; but if he had, he was sure Gen Sharif would make its acceptance subject to the condition that he fulfills his obligations to the Constitution.

He agreed with host Nadeem Malik that Gen Sharif would need the approval of the government if he wishes to take up the role before the expiry of a two-year restriction on his post-service employment.

Dar rescued himself from giving an opinion on the matter, saying that he will be in the core group where the development will be discussed, so it will not be fair to comment on it at this time.

"That decision is going to be taken by the government, obviously," he said.

"I am sure Raheel Sharif will come back and talk to the government, and particularly the prime minister, and the decision will be taken keeping in view the greater interest of the country and in accordance with the laws and the Constitution," he added.


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