Understanding US thread-III

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 07 Feb 2017 09:22

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/susp ... e-45306293

30 years for Mosque burning. I know that there were temples that were vandalized etc. in the past. I personally do not recall punishment being handed out with this heavy hand.

Other mosque related incident:
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/fire-1/2 ... -last-week

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Feb 2017 09:24

ShyamSP wrote:Disruptors pushing envelope may attract smaller blobs that acquire them but hardly make impact on the bigger blob in the Wall street.

I present to you Google which whupped the a$$ of M$ in search. Amazon whupped the M$ ass in online shopping. M$ lost "bigly" in several areas. Whut saved tham (sic) is the monopoly in office and PPT with all those PPTgiri wonders floating around.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Feb 2017 09:28

Arjun wrote: 58% as per the Silicon Valley Leadership Group.

Link please. Who are these "Silicon Valley Leadership Group"? I am not convinced though it may not mean much. There you have it. My 35% against your 58%. It is a tad too high, IMHO.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 07 Feb 2017 10:26

matrimc wrote:Link please. Who are these "Silicon Valley Leadership Group"? I am not convinced though it may not mean much. There you have it. My 35% against your 58%. It is a tad too high, IMHO.

http://www.570news.com/2017/02/06/apple ... ravel-ban/

About 58 per cent of the engineers and other high-skill employees in Silicon Valley were born outside the U.S., according to the Silicon Valley Leadership Group, an industry trade group.

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 07 Feb 2017 12:44

For US tech workers, Trump is a god sent.

He's single handedly shut down the undermining of US tech worker by CEOs of large companies weaving a tale of deception.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Feb 2017 13:24

Sean Spicer Press Conference (Melissa McCarthy) - SNL

This has shook the real media

The real stuff is hear

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Feb 2017 13:50

Steve Bannon as the real power behind the president

http://forward.com/culture/362093/how-t ... n-of-evil/

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Feb 2017 14:00

DOJ sues Oracle for employment discrimination favoring Indians.

“pattern and practice of hiring discrimination” against qualified White, Hispanic and African American applicants in favor of Asian applicants, namely Asian Indians, in the Professional Technical 1, Individual Contributor and the Product Development job groups.

http://www.natlawreview.com/article/ofc ... and-hiring

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 07 Feb 2017 14:35

I thought this suit is there for some time.

All the WH press meets are like boxing matches now. WH spokesperson even looks like a boxer.

As per this report,
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... se-experts
TZee has not spoken with 11 till date. Lizards must be very confused what is carrot top will do.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Feb 2017 17:25

Economist-mathematician Nassim Nicholas Taleb contends that there is a global riot against pseudo-experts

After predicting the 2008 economic crisis, the Brexit vote, the U.S. presidential election and other events correctly, Nassim Nicholas Taleb, author of the Incerto series on global uncertainties, which includes The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable, is seen as something of a maverick and an oracle. Equally, the economist-mathematician has been criticised for advocating a “dumbing down” of the economic system, and his reasoning for U.S. President Donald Trump and global populist movements. In an interview in Jaipur, Taleb explains why he thinks the world is seeing a “global riot against pseudo-experts”.

‘Trump makes sense to a grocery store owner’

http://www.thehindu.com/books/%E2%80%98 ... 109351.ece

In Skin in the Game, you seem to build on theories from The Black Swan that give a sense of foreboding about the world economy. Do you see another crisis coming?

Oh, absolutely! The last crisis [2008] hasn’t ended yet because they just delayed it. [Barack] Obama is an actor. He looks good, he raises good children, he is respectable. But he didn’t fix the economic system, he put novocaine [local anaesthetic] in the system. He delayed the problem by working with the bankers whom he should have prosecuted. And now we have double the deficit, adjusted for GDP, to create six million jobs, with a massive debt and the system isn’t cured. We retained zero interest rates, and that hasn’t helped. Basically we shifted the problem from the private corporates to the government in the U.S. So, the system remains very fragile.

You say Obama put novocaine in the system. How will the Trump administration be able to address this?

Of course. The whole mandate he got was because he understood the economic problems. People don’t realise that Obama created inequalities when he distorted the system. You can only get rich if you have assets. What Trump is doing is put some kind of business sense in the system. You don’t have to be a genius to see what’s wrong. Instead of Trump being elected, if you went to the local souk [bazaar] in Aleppo and brought one of the retail shop owners, he would do the same thing Trump is doing. Like making a call to Boeing and asking why are we paying so much.

Is it a choice between dumbing down versus over-intellectualisation, then?

Exactly. Trump never ran for archbishop, so you never saw anything in his behaviour that was saintly, and that was fine. Whereas Obama behaved like the Archbishop of Canterbury, and was going to do good but people didn’t feel their lives were better. As I said, if it was a shopkeeper from Aleppo, or a grocery store owner in Mumbai, people would have liked them as much as Trump. What he says makes common sense, asking why are we paying so much for this rubbish or why do we need these complex taxes, or why do we want lobbyists. You can call Trump’s plain-speaking what you like. But the way intellectuals treat people who don’t agree with them isn’t good either. I remember I had an academic friend who supported Brexit, and he said he knew what it meant to be a leper in the U.K. It was the same with supporting Trump in the U.S.

But there were valid reasons for people to be worried about Trump too.

Well, if you’re a businessman, for example, what Trump said didn’t bother you. The intellectual class of no more than 2,00,000 people in the U.S. don’t represent everyone upset with Trump. The real problem is the ‘faux-expert problem’, one who doesn’t know what he doesn’t know, and assumes he knows what people think. An electrician doesn’t have that problem.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 07 Feb 2017 18:54

It came from WhatsApp from my friends group. A few of them from same community got the notice in their mailboxes. The association had a meeting where this was discussed and they were reassured etc. Could be either a prankster who thought this was funny or a nut case seething inside waiting to blow up.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Feb 2017 19:04

at this stage I'd suggest prankster... the racial poorty brigade can't as yet effectively distinguish between mooselimbs and ore-ye-nnuls and goddam a-rabs

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 07 Feb 2017 19:58

Lilo wrote:
Dipanker wrote:And the defiance continues:

Coca Cola super bowl commercial with political overtone.

Hope beople have noticed the shameless effort to attribute Hindi(a language used by Indians) to muslim ummah(arabs & other assorted pakis) in the vedio created by CocaCola.
Guess CocaCola suddenly wants the otherwise dutty stinking yindoos in massaland(i.e US) to sacrifice their Yindoo identity at the altar of the Leftliberal-islamiofascist God with the aim to defeat the God Kek's crusadering tadpoles led by Trump.

Same game the Leftliberal-Islamofascist brishit establishment played when they conflated indics & Indians with the Pakis under the umbrella term "Asian" - to goad them to fight against the working class origin english rightwing in a Brown vs White construct..

Someone deleted the above quoted video now. Relinking again below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYVu7tRXuoM

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Feb 2017 20:22

for a good insight into how white hate crime towards browns works in practice in the US, its worth reading:
"The True American: Murder and Mercy in Texas" by Anand Giridharadas

a real look down into the poor white underbelly of the South in the process of trying to understand why a white man shot and blinded a Bangladeshi man in a gas station as revenge for 9/11 (and killed a Gujarati man), and how the Bangladeshi man tried to get him pardoned from the death penalty

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 07 Feb 2017 20:28

Gus wrote:It came from WhatsApp from my friends group. A few of them from same community got the notice in their mailboxes. The association had a meeting where this was discussed and they were reassured etc. Could be either a prankster who thought this was funny or a nut case seething inside waiting to blow up.

The place those notices were posted is a locality called Craig Ranch in Mckinney, TX .
The embers are still glowing in a Police vs BLM kind of racist claims & counterclaims from a 2015 incident.
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/ ... vesmatter/

A half comedic video of Cops vs badgering teenagers in action then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBHpNA-BQ-8

The officer who restrained the teenager, a McKinney Police Department officer who served in the department for ten years, was placed on administrative leave after the video went viral and subsequently resigned. He had previously received the McKinney Patrolman of the Year award for 2008.

My best guess is that some BLM activist was making some Hay against Cops & was recruiting Indian origin help while the Sun was shining after Trump election in Nov 2016.
Second best guess is some White or Indian SJW working for BLM cause pro bono.
Third best guess is a white nationalist tech employee or a disgruntled police department guy sore over how the Cop was forced to resign.
Least probable is it being just a prank - the typed material in the notice clearly betrays "agenda" & "activism" in its content.

If iam an Indian origin person staying in massaland i'll only raise my voice against the cops in such an incident if its for the sake of those who raised their voice against the cops when Sureshbhai Patel in his 60s was paralysed after being pinned down in a similar fashion just 3 months before the Craig Ranch incident in McKinny Tx came about.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Feb 2017 23:12

http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2017/ ... xican.html

white couple says wont be back to restaurant because owner is mexican.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Feb 2017 23:14

there was a story a few weeks back of a similar nature - white couple wrote on the receipt to a black waitress - 'great service but we don't tip blacks'

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Feb 2017 23:20

Lying CNN oiseuleness on display in "interview" with Rep. Gabbard. Gabbard coolly stomps on him.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 07 Feb 2017 23:54

Bloomberg reports:

U.S. bioscience firms employ about 1.7 million people, according to an industry-backed study, including a rising number of foreigners. Fewer than half of biomedical scientists in the U.S. in 2014 were native-born citizens, according to the journal Nature, and a third were non-citizens.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... l-miracles

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 08 Feb 2017 01:06

VikasRaina wrote:The discussion going on here reminds me of Punjabi refugees from West Punjab who arrived in Delhi post 1947 and each one of them was a millionaire having Kothis and Orchids and had left behind Gold bricks and mansions. No one who came from Pakistan was ever poor.
Same way, every one who came to USA before offshoring was popular, was hard working, cut above the rest and somehow way better than who came on H1-B later.

+1,000,000,008

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 08 Feb 2017 01:54

^^good one.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 08 Feb 2017 01:58

Beijing believes it has found the key to influencing Trump.

Xi has determined that Trump , at the end of the day, is a blustering bikau opportunist... who will happily sell out the noble and long-suffering (White) American working class at the merest hint of a profitable deal for his family business.

http://www.salon.com/2017/02/07/china-i ... president/

President Trump may talk tough about China, but the Chinese government seems to have figured out a potential vulnerability in his armor — his son-in-law and daughter, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump.

Kushner met with China’s ambassador to the United States, Cui Tiankai, at the Chinese Embassy in Washington for the Lunar New Year Celebration on Wednesday, as Bloomberg reported on Tuesday. Later that evening, Ivanka and her daughter Arabella were filmed celebrating the Chinese New Year with music and puppets. At one point Ivanka even went to Twitter to post a video of Arabella singing a song in Mandarin.

“As countries around the world figure out how to influence the new U.S. administration, China is going straight to the top: Trump’s immediate family,” reports Bloomberg. “In bypassing more traditional diplomatic channels such as the State Department, China is looking to open a more direct link to help avoid a trade war or military confrontation after Trump signaled a willingness to challenge Beijing’s red lines on Taiwan and the South China Sea.”

This isn’t the first time that Kushner’s relationship with China has raised eyebrows since his father-in-law won the presidency. Last month it was reported that Kushner had been in talks with Anbang Insurance Group, a Chinese financial corporation worth $285 billion whose ownership structure is mysterious, about a real estate development deal that had been in the works for months.

It remains to be seen whether China’s outreach through the Trump children will yield dividends. Certainly Trump’s rhetoric accusing China of being a currency manipulator and taking advantage of America through unfair trade deals has added tension to our relationship with one of the world’s few competing superpowers.

But see how far the lovefest has come already!!!!

https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status ... 4941471744

.@IvankaTrump at DC's Chinese Embassy to celebrate #SpringFestival with daughter Arabella, a Chinese learner since 18 months old #ChinaNight pic.twitter.com/4lA2WHkhwe

— CGTN (@CGTNOfficial) February 2, 2017

https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/ ... 0910556160

Arabella singing a song she learned for #ChineseNewYear. Wishing everyone an amazing year to come during these days of celebration. 新年快乐！ pic.twitter.com/jxHHLvhmzm

— Ivanka Trump (@IvankaTrump) February 2, 2017

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 08 Feb 2017 02:19

And already, the anti-China bluster from Trump on twitter (and from Tillerson during his Senate hearing) is appearing to have been a damp squib in reality.

Cross posting from Managing Chinese Threat dhaga (OP by SSridhar):

US Defense Secretary James Mattis says no need for dramatic US military moves in South China Sea - ToI

US Defense Secretary James Mattis on Saturday played down any need for major US military moves in the South China Sea to contend with China's assertive behavior, even as he sharply criticized Beijing for "shredding the trust of nations in the region."

"At this time, we do not see any need for dramatic military moves at all," Mattis told a news conference in Tokyo, stressing that the focus should be on diplomacy.

In his Senate confirmation hearing, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said China should not be allowed access to islands it has built in the contested South China Sea. The White House also vowed to defend "international territories" in the strategic waterway.

But how the United States would achieve that has been unclear, including whether it would have a military dimension.

Analysts have said Tillerson's remarks, like those from the White House, suggested the possibility of US military action, or even a naval blockade.

Such action would risk an armed confrontation with China, an increasingly formidable nuclear-armed military power. It is also the world's second-largest economy and the prime target of Trump accusations of stealing American jobs.

Mattis suggested that major military action was not being currently considered. "What we have to do is exhaust all efforts, diplomatic efforts, to try to resolve this properly, maintaining open lines of communication," Mattis said, in his most complete remarks on the issue to date.

"And certainly our military stance should be one that reinforces our diplomats in this regard. But there is no need right now at this time for military maneuvers or something like that, that would solve something that's best solved by the diplomats."

China claims most of the South China Sea, while Taiwan, Malaysia, Vietnam, the Philippines and Brunei claim parts of the waters that command strategic sea lanes and have rich fishing grounds along with oil and gas deposits.

Some contours of Trump America are becoming obvious already.

Mattis has been appointed as the Good Cop. Senate Democrats confirmed him more easily than any other Trump cabinet nominee because they bought into his supposed "intellectual" credentials and "moderate" stance.

Trump will make all manner of "bad cop" statements, sounding very threatening on everything from China to torture. Mattis will then be cited as the "voice of reason" for backing down from such policies.

Mattis' moderation will happily extend to Pakistan (one of his oldest friends) and China. It may not extend to Iran, but that's OK... even Trump's opponents, whether Republicans like McCain and Graham or Democrats like Schumer and Hillary, are militantly anti-Iran.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 08 Feb 2017 03:12

A very nice, revealing article.

Steve Bannon Carries Battles to Another Influential Hub: The Vatican

João Braz de Aviz, a powerful cardinal close to the pope, walked around in simple cleric clothes, the equivalent of civilian dress among all the flowing cassocks. Asked whether the ascent of Mr. Trump would embolden Mr. Bannon’s allies in the Vatican to intensify their opposition and force the pope to take a more orthodox line, he shrugged.

“The doctrine is secure,” he said, adding that the mission of the church was more to safeguard the poor. It was also, he reminded his traditionalist colleagues, to serve St. Peter, whose authority is passed down through the popes. “And today, Francis is Peter.”

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 08 Feb 2017 03:18

^RD: There is much that the US too is learning from China, on how to handle these complex inter-relationships of the modern era, where one competes and cooperates at the same time with a party that is an adversary and a trading partner. Before two giants fight with each other they will first fight by proxy, if it comes to it. China seeks parity with the US. US seeks dominance in this relationship. Transposing this friction to direct military action by either will be unlikely as both are mature. It will take a lot for China to start a hot event, the US side is a lot more mature now and is forced to be now that China is increasingly not a push over. Trump maybe a master of dynamic out of the box thinking but my bet is on the deep state preventing him from any actions that will materially alter this long game at a pace of their choosing, if they can control all the variables.

Trump's transactional instincts could be an impediment in this game. This is not to say certain transactional advantages should not be sought but in a way that does not destroy the transactions in question.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 08 Feb 2017 03:30

svinayak wrote: Sean Spicer Press Conference (Melissa McCarthy) - SNL

Good one.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Feb 2017 04:29

Dunno if this is fake news or not.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 66861.html

"Donald Trump's staff get him to agree to policies by saying 'Obama wouldn't have done it'

President only agreed to botched Yemen raid because military officials said predecessor would never do it, intelligence sources say"

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Feb 2017 10:51

he is always looking for an opportunity to take a bold decisive stand and show himself as a leader worthy of note.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 08 Feb 2017 15:24

it seems increasingly clear that trump doesn't get into any intellectual or policy depth and lets his advisor's handle that. bannon is key here - and his intellect takes him to one end of the spectrum - and not the end everyone bargained for.

you have to hope the ex-jarnails in the cabinet are able to keep the ship steady with a self-confessed-smash-it-up-thug running amok on the bridge whilst kaptaan is busy playing with his phone.

kaptaan orange is a mouthpiece - and a loose cannon one at that.

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 08 Feb 2017 16:44

A mohtorma prof giving jnan at NYU (NSFW)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGV1h-v9tkw

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Feb 2017 16:56

comment below that, localized to india.
Romeo Papa1 day ago
~~White~~ non-dalit people, bad. Males, bad. Heterosexuals, bad. ~~Christians~~ hindus, bad. ~~Jews~~sikhs/jains/buddhists, bad. ~~America~~ India, bad. ~~Israel~~ Modi, bad. Everyone and everything else is a victim of one or more of the above groups. There. You now have learned the entire body of knowledge taught by the ethnic and gender studies departments at any university. You may now challenge any of their courses and pass any of their exams with the information I have just provided.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 09 Feb 2017 03:49

Supreme Court nominee Gorsuch calls Trump's tweets 'disheartening'Supreme Court nominee Gorsuch calls Trump's tweets 'disheartening'

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 09 Feb 2017 06:13

Jack Ma on Donald Trump, "I like him. US should spend money on building America, not wars."

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Feb 2017 13:07

intel ceo has gone to WH and announced a $7b arizona chip plant.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 09 Feb 2017 13:22

There will be "good optics" on jobs and immigration. People who are anyway going to do something in the US will make it a public event with Zee talking live.

New AG confirmed. Now the fun begins. I find it a bit odd that HC is keeping quit along with her regular gang. One theory is that they are all busy due to the active investigation into their foundation. New AG may arrange to "lock her up".

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Feb 2017 14:57

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/us/p ... v=top-news

looks like the BCIS is just getting started...

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 09 Feb 2017 15:19

As per the reports, Tzee wrote a letter to 11 for speaking. No phone call. Belated Chinese new year greetings and advance lantern festival.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 09 Feb 2017 19:06

it seems that there are no clear guidelines yet to any law enforcement or border enforcement staff - so they are ad-libbing on what they think the policy is... this is where the rubber of the trump/bannon loose cannon policy dictats are meeting the road

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 09 Feb 2017 19:28

Policy is simple, deport as many as possible. Trump is specifically hiring 10,000 additional interior enforcement officers for this purpose, in addition to extra 5,000 on top of existing 22,000 to man the borders.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 Feb 2017 19:49

Yagnasri wrote:There will be "good optics" on jobs and immigration. People who are anyway going to do something in the US will make it a public event with Zee talking live.

New AG confirmed. Now the fun begins. I find it a bit odd that HC is keeping quit along with her regular gang. One theory is that they are all busy due to the active investigation into their foundation. New AG may arrange to "lock her up".

HC is active on twitter.