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Understanding US thread-III

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Postby abhik » 18 May 2017 23:03

They are learning from silly-con valley onlee.

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Postby UlanBatori » 18 May 2017 23:44

CNN HEADLINE NEWS DISTRACTED!
The driver is a US citizen, a former member of the Navy and has a criminal history, de Blasio said. De Blasio also said the number of people injured has risen to 22. One young woman was killed, he said.

(How can the number of INJURED people rise after the incident I wonder... :?: )

Come to think of it, DHS had warned about intel that mullahs were exhorting the Faithful to drive on the sidewalks whenever possible, and here a koofar alcohol-imbiber does it? haraam, haraam!

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Postby UlanBatori » 19 May 2017 00:05

Pleet Bhalala joins faculty
Talk about being in a den of crooks.. The Phaculty Lounge will be awful quiet..

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Postby ramana » 19 May 2017 01:27

UlanBatori wrote:Pleet Bhalala joins faculty
Talk about being in a den of crooks.. The Phaculty Lounge will be awful quiet..


Jared Kushner graduated from there.

Interesting choice of school.

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Postby UlanBatori » 19 May 2017 06:40

Well, he doesn't have to move, and its a nice place to plan his campaign for Attorney-Gen and then Guv.

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Postby Yagnasri » 19 May 2017 07:35

The appointment of the special prosecutor is a major gambit Monkey has taken. One wonders how it plays out. As long as he gets GOP support he has no problem, but if he does not get it, then he is gone with a one term presidency.

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Postby kit » 19 May 2017 08:46

PB has the usp of "fired by trump" .. if that didn't work "back " channels to Kushner :mrgreen:

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Postby kit » 19 May 2017 08:47

The Ivanka lady is into meditation and stuff .. good scope for similar minded people to find rapport ..just sayin

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Philip » 19 May 2017 20:12

Move over Mark Thatcher,Prince Andrew,et al. There's a new gent in town firing up defence deals in the billiuons!
Jared Kushner masterminds $110bn US weapons deal with Saudi Arabia

President's son-in-law interrupted meeting with high-level delegates to ask Lockheed Martin for discount in latest evidence of White House's unorthodox new approach to deal-making

Mark Landler, Eric Schmitt, Matt Apuzzo
Senior White House adviser Jared Kushner Getty Images
On the afternoon of 1 May, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, welcomed a high-level delegation of Saudis to a gilded reception room next door to the White House and delivered a brisk pep talk: “Let’s get this done today.”

Kushner was referring to a $100 billion-plus arms deal that the administration hoped to seal with Saudi Arabia in time to announce it during Trump’s visit to the kingdom this weekend. The two sides discussed a shopping list that included planes, ships and precision-guided bombs. Then a US official raised the idea of the Saudis’ buying a sophisticated radar system designed to shoot down ballistic missiles.

Sensing that the cost might be a problem, several administration officials said, Kushner picked up the phone and called Marillyn A. Hewson — the chief executive of Lockheed Martin, which makes the radar system — and asked her whether she could cut the price. As his guests watched slack-jawed, Hewson told him she would look into it, officials said.

Kushner’s personal intervention in the arms sale is further evidence of the Trump White House’s readiness to dispense with custom in favour of informal, hands-on deal making. It also offers a window into how the administration hopes to change America’s position in the Middle East, emphasising hard power and haggling over traditional diplomacy.

The Trump administration is expected to frame the deal, worth about $110 billion over 10 years, as a symbol of America’s renewed commitment to security in the Persian Gulf. But former officials pointed out that President Barack Obama, whose arms sales to Saudi Arabia totaled $115 billion, had already approved several of the weapons in the package.

“Both sides have an incentive to herald this as a new era in Gulf cooperation,” said Derek H. Chollet, who served as assistant secretary of defence for international security affairs under Obama. “I see this as largely continuity.”

What has changed, Chollet said, is that the House of Saud is now dealing directly with a member of the Trump family. “It’s quite normal for them to sit down with the son-in-law of a president and do a deal,” he said. “It’s more normal for them than any previous administration.”

The White House and Lockheed declined to comment on the call between Kushner and Hewson, or on the broader arms sale.

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Donald Trump to announce $350bn arms deal to Saudi Arabia

While Kushner’s middle-of-the-meeting call to a military contractor was unorthodox, current and former officials said, it did not appear to raise legal issues. Lockheed is the sole manufacturer of the antimissile system, known as Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, or THAAD. Instead, the episode was reminiscent of Lockheed’s decision in February to cut the price of F-35 fighter jets it was selling to the Pentagon after Trump complained to Hewson that the planes were too expensive.

Kushner, White House officials said, began building ties to members of the Saudi royal family during the transition. He was at the table when his father-in-law hosted the deputy crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, at a lunch in the State Dining Room in March. And he offered a strategic overview of the Saudi-American relationship at the meeting this month, according to an agenda obtained by The New York Times.

But officials emphasised that Kushner’s work on the deal was part of a government-wide effort that includes the State Department, the Defense Department and the National Security Council.

They also said the arms sale would be only one element of Trump’s busy two-day stop in Saudi Arabia, which will also include a meeting with King Salman at the royal court, a conference with Persian Gulf allies, a broader summit meeting with the leaders of Muslim countries, and a visit to a new center dedicated to combating terrorism and extremism.

The showcase event will be a speech in which the officials said Trump would seek to unify the Muslim world against the scourge of extremism. Stephen Miller, Trump’s senior policy adviser, is writing the speech, which officials said would serve as an answer to the landmark address to the Islamic world that Obama gave in Cairo in 2009.

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Trump to meet Sudanese President wanted for genocide in Saudi Arabia
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This is the aim of Donald Trump's visit to Saudi Arabia
War with Iran seems likely as Trump cosies up with Saudi Arabia
Donald Trump praised by Saudis for ‘fresh’ approach to fighting terror

White House officials have consulted Obama’s speech and predicted a starkly different tone from Trump. His goal, they said, will be to unify US allies around a common set of objectives, including a harder line against Iran and a pledge to share the security burden in the region. The speech will not include any apology for America’s role.

After a strained relationship with Obama, Saudi officials have expressed delight at Trump’s tough rhetoric on Iran. This White House is viewed as more sympathetic to the military campaign that Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are carrying out against the Houthis, Iranian-backed rebels who are waging an insurgency in neighbouring Yemen.

The Obama administration put a hold on precision-guided munitions it had agreed to sell the Saudis out of fear that they would be used to bomb civilians in Yemen. The Trump administration has freed up those weapons, which are part of the $110 billion package.

The package also includes “maritime assets,” meaning ships, so the Saudis can assume more of the burden of policing the Persian Gulf and Red Sea against Iranian aggression. It does not include high-end items like the advanced F-35 fighter, whose sale to Saudi Arabia would alarm Israel.

Trump is not expected to raise human rights concerns with the Saudis, in keeping with his approach to strongmen in Turkey, Egypt, China and the Philippines. The president, his aides said, does not believe the United States gets results by lecturing other countries.

Given that, and the big-ticket arms sale, most analysts and former officials predicted that Trump’s visit to Saudi Arabia would be a success. It could end up being the highlight of his nine-day, four-country tour, particularly since he will be going later to a NATO summit meeting in Brussels, where the other attendees will watch for evidence that he still wants to mothball the alliance.

Even in Israel, where Trump is likely to be welcomed with open arms, tensions have surfaced over his sharing classified Israeli intelligence during a meeting with Russia’s foreign minister and ambassador to the United States, and a smaller flap over the political status of the Western Wall.

Still, the Saudi visit is not without risk. Obama made Riyadh, the Saudi capital, his first stop in the Middle East in June 2009, hoping to enlist the Saudis in a new Israeli-Palestinian peace effort. King Salman’s predecessor, King Abdullah, rebuffed the young president.

For now, the White House is not abandoning the Iran nuclear agreement, which is reviled in Saudi Arabia. Though experts say the Saudis understand the administration’s reluctance to act precipitously, some critics worry that it will make Trump more eager to accommodate the Saudis in other areas, like their campaign in Yemen.

“We’d been saying for two years that this is not a conflict you’re going to win militarily,” said Jeffrey Prescott, a senior director for Iran, Iraq, Syria and Gulf nations on Obama’s National Security Council. “We had been trying to use the leverage we had to get the Saudis and Emiratis to the table to negotiate.”

“One of the things to look at,” Prescott added, “is whether we’re getting into someone else’s conflict.”



So much for the great Indo-US "srtat. partnership".The Saudis get the latest weaponry while we get the garbage,scraps of stale 'meat",thron to the 4-legged tail-wagging poodles!

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby ramana » 19 May 2017 20:55

Philip, Strategic partnership with US is for poodles. Look at how UK the ones who came up with the radar, nuke bomb etc. are now on begging relationship with US. If you are not a poodle you become one eventually.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Avtar Singh » 19 May 2017 22:04

These defence deals are just protection money, so that usa and uk will take care of family and princelings.

The saudis will just park all this stuff in some hangar or they would have to rent a pakistani to make it operational.
The only thing saudis are good for is abusing women, chopping of heads and sponsoring throat cutters.

see commentators here;

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/3889 ... -military/

and I have seen it first hand

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Dipanker » 19 May 2017 23:20

Yagnasri wrote:The appointment of the special prosecutor is a major gambit Monkey has taken. One wonders how it plays out. As long as he gets GOP support he has no problem, but if he does not get it, then he is gone with a one term presidency.


He had no say in it, the special counsel was appointed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Trump labelled it as witch hunt in his tweet.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby saip » 20 May 2017 01:00

So Trump fired Comey 'the Nut job' to take pressure off the Russian investigation (NYT). Is it 'Art of the Deal'?

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Postby hanumadu » 20 May 2017 01:26

Avtar Singh wrote:These defence deals are just protection money, so that usa and uk will take care of family and princelings.

The saudis will just park all this stuff in some hangar or they would have to rent a pakistani to make it operational.
The only thing saudis are good for is abusing women, chopping of heads and sponsoring throat cutters.

see commentators here;

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/3889 ... -military/

and I have seen it first hand


Just a few days go Trump said that Saudi is not sharing its part of the burden in protecting it. AFter that It was a matter of time a big arms purchase will be made.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby saip » 20 May 2017 09:43

Dipanker wrote:
Yagnasri wrote:The appointment of the special prosecutor is a major gambit Monkey has taken. One wonders how it plays out. As long as he gets GOP support he has no problem, but if he does not get it, then he is gone with a one term presidency.


He had no say in it, the special counsel was appointed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Trump labelled it as witch hunt in his tweet.

Rosenstein was obviously pissed at Trump. That is probably the reason why he appointed the special prosecutor. Trump was told AFTER the appointment. Rosenstein probably the next one to go.

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Postby Yagnasri » 20 May 2017 10:09

Not likely. That fellow said to have a good reputation and record of about 30 years. One question I have. What is the specific crime/s or alleged crime/s this Special Prosecutor is asked to investigate? I could not find specific anywhere.

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Postby Singha » 20 May 2017 15:12

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 10 Sep 2014

Tell Saudi Arabia and others that we want (demand!) free oil for the next ten years or we will not protect their private Boeing 747s.Pay up!
:rotfl:

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Postby brar_w » 20 May 2017 16:54

hanumadu wrote:
Avtar Singh wrote:These defence deals are just protection money, so that usa and uk will take care of family and princelings.

The saudis will just park all this stuff in some hangar or they would have to rent a pakistani to make it operational.
The only thing saudis are good for is abusing women, chopping of heads and sponsoring throat cutters.

see commentators here;

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/3889 ... -military/

and I have seen it first hand


Just a few days go Trump said that Saudi is not sharing its part of the burden in protecting it. AFter that It was a matter of time a big arms purchase will be made.


A lot of these things (Missile Defense systems, Ships and weapons) have been in the works for a number of years and were inevitable though likely accelerated to coincide with the trip. I've been talking about the Saudi THAAD deal for more than a year and it was something they had been negotiating for long as part of the larger GCC missile shield. What was holding it up was actually a lack of consensus among GCC nations on a common command and control architecture and interoperability.

There were rumors that the AN/TPY-2+ configuration switch (GaAs to GaN Modules) that happened last year and that now forms the new radar configuration going forward was in response to the need to provide an upgraded system to Saudi Arabia compared to what others in the region may be operating. Seems that there still is no consensus among GCC members on missile defense information sharing but they are just setting that aside and buying systems.

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Postby Gus » 20 May 2017 17:23

Staff at White House will finally have a good nights sleep :D

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Postby Singha » 20 May 2017 18:49

The houthis fired a missile at riyadh last night to greet trump but it was shot down west of city

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Postby Dipanker » 20 May 2017 19:49

Trump Told Russians That Firing ‘Nut Job’ Comey Eased Pressure From Investigation
WASHINGTON — President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved “great pressure” on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.

“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

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Postby IndraD » 20 May 2017 20:09

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... 8G0FK?il=0
Trump awarded highest civilian honor of Saudi ..here he can make all sort of grab them ...comments and get away, Saudi is like that only :P

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All potus and close staff are greeted with gold in Saudi, Con Rice was apparently given couple of kgs of gold jewellery...btw look at body language Trump is fully subdued ..

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saudi king kand shake Melania

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Postby Shankk » 20 May 2017 21:29

Expect oil prices to rise due to quid pro quo for Saudi making such a huge deal. OPEC has been after US to cut oil production for their cuts to make price comeback but US hasn't been reciprocating effectively. I am certain, oil cuts are part of these negotiations.

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Postby Gus » 21 May 2017 08:05

Higher oil prices will help ksa. But most importantly Russia.

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Postby Gyan » 21 May 2017 12:20

I believe the real purpose of Saudi Involvement in Islamic terrorism is to destabilise various regions and keep oil prices high. In this endeavour they have support of US Military Industrial Complex and Wall Street Banks read Jewish lobby.

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Postby UlanBatori » 21 May 2017 14:21

An Escort d'Honor with a troop of horses trailing Old Glory. The Dog Collar of Abdul Saud bin Camel-Humpi. A gold chain heavy enough to make one stoop. Only the grand Belly-Dance is missing. Never mind, scratch that, we ARE talking about a visit by The Ultimate Harem Man, after all. Finally, a POTUS that the Saudis can respect.

If his Presidency continues long enough to organize a vijit to desh, that will the Greatest Show On Earth.

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Postby Singha » 21 May 2017 19:19

A sword dance done
350b arms deal signed
A auccessful trip

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Postby Mort Walker » 21 May 2017 19:48

The $350 billion of deals is what the Trump administration is saying, let's just say an alternative set of facts. Trade deals worth more than half of Saudi GDP??? What is reality is another matter and some estimates are that it is closer to $20 billion.

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Postby hanumadu » 21 May 2017 20:07

350B$ over ten years which is still a lot.

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Postby A_Gupta » 22 May 2017 00:35

The full text of Trump's speech:
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... am/527535/
"In an address full of religious references, the American president avoided the phrase "radical Islamic terrorism."

Blast from the past: via CNN, June 13, 2016:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/politics/ ... -reaction/
"Trump was also interviewed later on "New Day" Monday morning about the Orlando attack, and repeated the charge that Democrats' reluctance to say "radical Islamic terror" was hampering efforts to combat terror.
"The first thing you need is a president that will mention the problem. And he won't even mention what the problem is," Trump said. "Unless you're going to say that, you're never going to solve it.""


Further proof that "The president says wildly offensive things when the objects of his derision aren’t around, but crumples when he actually meets them":

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... am/527547/

But for all the pillorying Obama received for supposedly whitewashing the problems of the Islamic world, his Cairo speech actually addressed them quite bluntly. Speaking at Egypt’s prestigious Cairo University, Obama condemned Holocaust denial in Muslim countries, calling it “baseless, ignorant, and hateful.” He denounced people who “threaten Israel with destruction” and “repeat vile stereotypes about Jews.” He highlighted the oppression of women in Muslim lands, declaring that “a woman who is denied an education is denied equality. And it is no coincidence that countries where women are well-educated are far more likely to be prosperous.” He referenced the Middle East’s economic failures, arguing that “no development strategy can be based only upon what comes out of the ground, nor can it be sustained while young people are out of work.” And in a clear challenge to his host, Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak, he insisted that “all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose. Those are not just American ideas, they are human rights, and that is why we will support them everywhere.”

Compare that to Trump, who said virtually nothing that caused his hosts any discomfort. Trump criticized terrorist groups like ISIS for their “persecution of Jews,” and he condemned Iran for pledging “the destruction of Israel.” But since ISIS and Iran are Riyadh’s most bitter foes, those condemnations won’t have bothered the Saudi monarchs at all. Unlike Obama, Trump avoided the broader problem of anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial in Islamic countries, a problem in which his Saudi hosts are deeply complicit. Nor did he even hint at the fact that Saudi Arabia still does not recognize Israel.


Of course, Ombaba is the Islamist and Trump is the great white hope for the defeat of Islamism.

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delighted trump plays with the new toy ...not far away King also seen brandishing same at age of 81

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Postby shyam » 22 May 2017 01:45

IndraD wrote:Image
All potus and close staff are greeted with gold in Saudi, Con Rice was apparently given couple of kgs of gold jewellery...btw look at body language Trump is fully subdued ..


Don't make judgement by photos. See the video. The old king could not reach up and put the chain. Trump is making sure that he doesn't bow to him so that he can put the chain. So he was just trying to reduce the height.

Of course, spinners in media do what they do the best.

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Postby UlanBatori » 22 May 2017 02:07

That is neither bowing nor genuflection. Imagine someone turning 180 degrees and doing that 2 u - it is a classic Pakistan Seating pose. :LOL

The mediots are digging themselves deeper and deeper. So what did they want the POTUS to do? Go to KSA and in the middle of the Sword Dance, say:
DOWN WITH ISLAMIC TERRORISTS! CHOP THEIR ******s OFF!
In the best PaleFace tradition, he speaks with forked tongue. One tongue when the tomahawks are within reach, quite another from a safe distance. What did they expect? :roll:

Look at the realities. The man has made a huge amount of weapon trade deals, in the face of the Israelis. Next he will go there and promise to help make Jerusalem the capital.

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Postby krisna » 22 May 2017 02:12

Actually trump is more liberal than republicans. appears more democrat with his liberalism in everything. very unchristian like. right man in the wrong party. similar for the lost lady. 8)

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Postby Karan M » 22 May 2017 03:14

Singha wrote:Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 10 Sep 2014

Tell Saudi Arabia and others that we want (demand!) free oil for the next ten years or we will not protect their private Boeing 747s.Pay up!
:rotfl:


well he got it, didn't he? 350 billion in arms deals. no chump change.

the man can wear whatever gold he wants. he's given the US industry a yuge win.

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Postby UlanBatori » 22 May 2017 06:14

Look at it from the Oiropean POV. Tried kissing up and GUBO to the Islamists, and all they get is terror attacks and gropers in their parks, while the stooopeed Americains walked away with their lunch while they were too busy laughing at Trump's lack of sophistication. No decades-long bidding war, no bribes, nothing. Just pick up phone, call Lockheed boss, place the order. $100B. With a Sword Dance, Dog Collar and Belly Dance thrown in.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby KL Dubey » 22 May 2017 06:23

After being fired, this fellow suddenly remembers his Indian heritage:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri/us-canada-news/very-proud-of-my-indian-heritage-preet-bharara-says/articleshow/58680486.cms

Fool talks about listening to bhangra music...he surely has been made to dance a bhangra recently :lol:


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