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Understanding US thread-III

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby A_Gupta » 18 Feb 2017 19:29

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... is/517062/
ANDREW EXUM FEB 17, 2017 GLOBAL

The dysfunction at the highest levels of the American government right now obscures a dramatic reality: Donald Trump is going to defeat the Islamic State, and Americans need to be fine with that.

Like most of the people reading this, I have been so completely absorbed by the drama at the White House over the past week that its been easy to lose track of what’s taking place on the ground in the Middle East, where U.S. troops, diplomats, and intelligence professionals continue to work by, with, and through local forces to destroy the Islamic State.

When President Obama turned the affairs of state over to President Trump on January 20th, the Islamic State was in full retreat across Iraq and Syria. This was no accident: In the fall of 2015, while I was serving as the head of the Pentagon’s Middle East policy shop, the Obama administration ramped up its campaign against the group—and began to see the effects of that escalation when Iraqi forces retook Ramadi in December of 2015.

Over the course of a very difficult summer of 2015—one in which both Ramadi in Iraq and Palmyra in Syria had fallen under the black flags of the Islamic State—civilian and military planners noticed an opportunity: For the first time since their campaign began in 2014, the U.S. and coalition forces surrounding the Islamic State were in a position to squeeze it from all directions.

When I came back into the Department of Defense in 2015 after a two-year sojourn away, I was struck by how well the Islamic State moved men, weapons, and materiel across the battlefield in Iraq and Syria. This allowed them to apply pressure to the places where the forces in opposition were weakest. It also allowed them to mass their own limited forces in places where they could overmatch their opposition.

If we could figure out a way to apply pressure to the group from multiple directions and cut off its key supply routes, that would create real dilemmas for them.

And so that’s what we did.

Primarily working with Iraqi and Syrian partners, the U.S. military and these local forces cut the main east-west lines of communication between Iraq and Syria. We got more aid to our Lebanese and Jordanian partners to help them defend their borders, and we re-started our initially ill-fated plan to train Syrians to fight the Islamic State, giving them specialized training and equipment. Oh, and we delivered an overwhelming amount of airpower in support of local forces fighting the Islamic State at a time when Iraqi forces trained by U.S. soldiers started re-entering the fight in replacement of previously ineffective units. These newly retrained units performed qualitatively better than the units they replaced, and the results on the ground bore that out.

One by one, cities and towns under the control of the Islamic State started falling. Because we were fighting with local partners, it was messier than if we had done it ourselves. The destruction to Ramadi and Fallujah, in particular, was breathtaking. And it took longer than it would have taken if U.S. forces had been in the lead. But it was also a lot less expensive, and only five U.S. servicemen were killed in the process —compared with almost 5,000 over the course of the earlier war in Iraq.


And the success of the campaign was going to be more sustainable than that of our earlier efforts, we told ourselves, because Iraqis and Syrians were owning the fight—at tremendous human cost, I must add—and thus owning the victory.

This was the war President Trump inherited from President Obama.

The Trump administration also inherited some strategic headaches, though certainly not the “mess” the president claims. We never figured out a way to re-take Raqqa, for example, without arming and equipping the Kurdish militias so toxic to our NATO allies in Turkey.

When we passed along our campaign plans to re-take the Islamic State’s Syrian capital in Raqqa to the Trump administration, they dismissed it as “poor staff work” (which is pretty damn laughable considering the quality of staff work that has gone into this administration’s early executive orders, but I digress).

The fall of the Islamic State is going to happen, and it’s going to happen on this president’s watch.
If the Trump administration wants to continue the momentum against the Islamic State without committing more U.S. troops, it will likely need to arm the Syrian Kurds to a greater degree than America has done so far. While the only truly cohesive local force operating against the Islamic State in Syria—that is, if one doesn’t count Lebanese Hezbollah as local—the Syrian Kurds do not have the kind of equipment necessary to breach the defenses surrounding Raqqa at an acceptable human cost. Giving them more equipment, though, as several former Obama administration officials have recommended, will cause some serious pain in U.S.-Turkish relations.

But the fall of the Islamic State is going to happen, and it’s going to happen on this president’s watch. Like the American jobs he claims to have created that were announced long before he took office, Trump will take credit for the Islamic State’s defeat. It will be in his 2020 campaign speeches, and it will be a cudgel with which he beats the Democrats each time they (or John McCain) point out his incompetence on issues of national security.

And Americans need to be fine with that, because as much as many of us do not want this president to get the credit for the work of others, defeating the Islamic State is a national good that should be bigger than politics. And Democrats will do well to remember that the Obama administration could not have done what it did in Iraq and Syria without the support of a Republican-led Congress.

Victory has a thousand fathers—the loudest and orangest of which will be the president. But victory still beats defeat.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby A_Gupta » 18 Feb 2017 19:36

Gus wrote:It is fascinating to see how the '100000 national guards may be used to round up illegals' story is developing. It is next in a list of such things.

first a memo or something is leaked. press goes nuts. WH denies it. press runs around like headless chickens not knowing what to do. Idea is denied at one side but idea is now also out in the wild that other outlets can pick up and run selective stories. who is leaking all these stuff but apparently is immune to being 'identified and thrown out'? All points to Bannon playing with media.

Good job from Trump admin. This will put the fake newsers in their place. #MAGA #nodemocratwhine


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Re: Understanding US thread-III

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Lalmohan » 18 Feb 2017 19:44

the press is being played for sure - it is the smokescreen. some of the press have even started waking up to the fact that they are being played.
and 48% of Americans seem happy with this slide into authoritarianism under the guise of 'give the new guy a chance'

this is not just an american matter, it will impact the whole world.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby UlanBatori » 18 Feb 2017 19:57

Some dins pehle CNN floated an article saying that Republicans were promoting a Bill to impose a Carbon Tax of $40/Ton of CO2 on companies that emit CO2. Gasoline would have that tax tacked on. Families would get up to $2000 in tax credit or just direct payment from this. If THAT is not a News Falsh, I don't know what is. All else aside, even if COTUS elephants were smart enough to come up with a CO2 tax (may be a good idea hence impossible for those einsteins to come up with it) the market price of a ton of CO2 (see Pointcarbon.com) has come down from a high of around $40 circa 2005 down to like $2 and now maybe $3.50.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Dipanker » 18 Feb 2017 20:14

^^ Latest Gallup poll shows the support has dropped down to 38% and one can expect this downward trend to continue.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Gus » 18 Feb 2017 20:22

Dipanker wrote:^^ Latest Gallup poll shows the support has dropped down to 38% and one can expect this downward trend to continue.


^^ all fake news from the enemies of the American people. The prez has identified and boldly proclaimed who the real enemies are. They are now longer just failing or fake or the opposition. They are the enemy.
The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!


now, just shush the democrat whine and accept Trumps victory.

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Postby A_Gupta » 18 Feb 2017 20:26

UlanBatori wrote:Some dins pehle CNN floated an article saying that Republicans were promoting a Bill to impose a Carbon Tax of $40/Ton of CO2 on companies that emit CO2. Gasoline would have that tax tacked on. Families would get up to $2000 in tax credit or just direct payment from this. If THAT is not a News Falsh, I don't know what is. All else aside, even if COTUS elephants were smart enough to come up with a CO2 tax (may be a good idea hence impossible for those einsteins to come up with it) the market price of a ton of CO2 (see Pointcarbon.com) has come down from a high of around $40 circa 2005 down to like $2 and now maybe $3.50.


FYI, a liberal group has been lobbying the Republican Congress with this idea for the past many years.
The very unlikelihood of its passage through Congress is here:
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ay/516048/

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby UlanBatori » 18 Feb 2017 20:33

Can we please have a separate thread for "Post Election Whining Endless In-depth Analysis By Election Predictors"? Thx
Some Pinned Stipulations at the top would also help:
1. Anyone who voted for the winning party in the US election is a moron.
2. Those who predicted that the other side would win in a landslide are geniuses.
3. Anyone who voted for the winning party now bitterly regrets their misguided ways and bows to said geniuses.
4. Now that the election is over, the winner should spend all his/her time implementing the loser's agenda.
5. The point of getting elected is to become more popular by not doing anything that one promised to do.


To quote the old Malloostani song:
Kazhinja sambhavangal
Uyarttezhunnettaal..
Kaalam thiruchu natannal...
chilorekke chirikkum
chilar poyi olikkum
chilar appol thanne marikkum


OK, don't ban me, I'm outta here - going back to cave.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Lalmohan » 18 Feb 2017 20:55

no ulan batori - that is just wrong and misleading of you. (and quite typical of your posting style!)

the discussion has moved on from election to cabinet appointments and then to immediate policy actions undertaken

sure he is the president, but his team are a mixed bag and his actions have been even more mixed - discussion and criticism of that is NOT A WHINE

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby saip » 18 Feb 2017 21:27

CO2 tax? When the pigs fly. Trump is naysayer when it comes to Climate Change.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby A_Gupta » 18 Feb 2017 21:39

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... -the-world
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The Trump Administration’s policies vary, literally, by the day, often on the biggest issues. On Wednesday, the President backed away from longstanding support by both Republicans and Democrats for secure but separate Israeli and Palestinian states. “I am looking at two-state, and one-state—and I like the one that both parties like,” he said at a press conference with the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. A day later, Nikki Haley, his Ambassador to the United Nations, said in New York, “We absolutely support a two-state solution.”

In December, President-elect Trump affronted China by talking directly to Taiwan’s President, Tsai Ing-wen, in the first such high-level contact since Washington severed ties with Taiwan, in 1979. China views Taiwan as a renegade breakaway province, and its leaders could not have been pleased when Trump’s aides reported that Trump and Taiwan’s President spoke about “close economic, political, and security ties” between the two countries. Trump’s unorthodox conversation was followed by his surprise declaration, in an interview with the Wall Street Journal last month, that “everything is under negotiation, including ‘One China,’ “ another break from policy, in this case dating to Richard Nixon’s historic trip to Beijing, forty-four years ago. Trump has long been tough on China, charging it with everything from currency manipulation to fostering the idea of climate change as a hoax to benefit its industries. But then, last week, Trump abruptly reversed course during a call with the Chinese President, Xi Jinping, when he pledged to honor the “One China” policy.

On Russia, Trump is really floundering. During the campaign and into his Presidency, he has been consistent on one thing: improving relations with the Russian President, Vladimir Putin. “If we have a good relationship with Russia, believe me, that’s a good thing, not a bad thing,” he reiterated at his press conference on Thursday, despite a series of Russian provocations presumably meant to test the new Administration—a spy ship travelling up and down the East Coast, Russian fighter jets buzzing a U.S. destroyer in the Black Sea, and a ballistic-missile test interpreted by experts as a violation of arms accords.

Asked about these events at his press conference Thursday, Trump described all three actions as “not good,” but neither condemned them nor said whether he planned to take action. I was in Moscow last week, and the analysts I met clearly thought Russia had gained an edge over the United States since Trump moved into the Oval Office.

Even more worrying, Trump still has no strategic depth in his foreign-policy team; most top offices are still empty. Following the resignation of Michael Flynn as the national-security adviser, after only twenty-four days in the job, Trump offered the pivotal position to Robert Harward. Harward is a retired vice-admiral, Navy SEAL, and counterterrorism expert who—unlike most of the Trump team—has experience in policymaking, too. He worked on George W. Bush’s National Security Council. But on Thursday Harward turned down the job. He cited “personal reasons” to the Associated Press, but CNN’s Jake Tapper quoted Harward telling a friend that the offer was a “shit sandwich”—a suicide mission, in the language of the Special Forces—given the White House turmoil.

At his stream-of-consciousness press conference, Trump said he was “so beautifully represented” in foreign policy by his “fantastic” Secretary of State. But Tillerson, the former C.E.O. of Exxon-Mobil, so far appears to be marginalized by Trump’s inner circle of ideologues and family members, notably chief strategist Steve Bannon and Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner. As Trump hosted the Japanese Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe, at the White House last week, Politico’s Daily Playbook reported that Tillerson was dining with his wife at Washington’s Al Dente restaurant.

Tillerson, a diplomatic neophyte who has no policymaking experience, has struggled just to win approval for his choices at the State Department, where not a single senior position has been filled—much less confirmed, which itself is a time-consuming process. Trump turned down Elliott Abrams, who was Tillerson’s pick as his deputy, reportedly because Abrams criticized Trump during the campaign. The State Department hasn’t held a press briefing in a month. A diplomat mused to me this week, “We’re in uncharted territory.”
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On Wednesday, five former Ambassadors to Israel, who have served both Republican and Democratic Presidents, sent a joint letter to every member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, urging its members to reject Trump’s appointment of David Friedman as the top envoy to Israel. Friedman is “unqualified for the job” based on his “extreme, radical positions,” the letter says. The five Ambassadors are among a list of legendary career diplomats—Thomas Pickering, Daniel Kurtzer, Edward Walker, James Cunningham, and William Harrop—who have served in the State Department.


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But one of the more unusual analyses I’ve heard about Trump came from a U.S.-educated Iranian analyst. He compared Trump to the former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Both graduated from prominent schools, “but they’re not well-read,” he told me. “They’re both hard-liners who came out of nowhere politically. They have narcissistic self-confidence but short attention spans. They rely on their inner instincts and tight inner circles. And they move quickly to show toughness, but act rather than think.”

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Postby ShyamSP » 18 Feb 2017 23:04

'UNWAVERING' COMMITMENT: Pence tries to assure Europe that US will support partnership

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02 ... rship.html
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Atlantist Mickey vs Russian Donald. More confusion. :-)

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Postby Zynda » 18 Feb 2017 23:10

Gotta say that Faux News is appearing more & more like mouth piece for DT. Its like a station which is slowly being groomed for complete subservience of the administration when it is required.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Yayavar » 18 Feb 2017 23:28

Can one criticize Kejriwal in BRF - election is over 2 years old? Trump is president and his policies and appointees will get discussed. It doesnt mean it is disputing election results.

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Postby Gus » 19 Feb 2017 02:28

Well, did you predict kejri will win? If you did not and thought he would not win - then you cannot post any commentary or news that looks negative on him, because clearly that would be 'you were wrong then so you are wrong about anything and everything forever and ever', and you are whining and not accepting that Kejri won.

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Postby kiranA » 19 Feb 2017 02:47

ShyamSP wrote:'UNWAVERING' COMMITMENT: Pence tries to assure Europe that US will support partnership

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02 ... rship.html
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Atlantist Mickey vs Russian Donald. More confusion. :-)


Donald also may eventually be mickey. As I said its not in US interest to share influence with Russia. So why Trump soft peddling with Russia ? I beleive its a concession to white racists whose racial anxieties have engendered warm feelings to russia. Thanks to some clever russian propoganda many even think russia is the next great white hope.

Contrary to that Putin has very warm feelings to Muslims and China. He just wants US to butt out of way from sunni gulf,pakistan, china so Russia can wade in for the lucrative benefits US enjoyed for a long time.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby ramana » 19 Feb 2017 06:18

Ok. We are getting no understanding US in this thread. Despite many requests it's a bash Trump thread.
So locking it.
Thanks for participating.
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Postby ramana » 09 Mar 2017 22:01

Unlocking the thread after request from A_Gupta and to preserve the Indo-US thread. Please observe guidelines.


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A_Gupta wrote:I appeal to moderators to unlock the "Understanding US" thread - if this thread is to be about India-US relations (as in trade, defense, diplomacy, tourism, and issues like that below.

How to live & cope with issues in the US really belongs in an "Understanding US" thread. And yes, politics is part of it. Even a suburban municipal elected office involves politics.

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US calls for transparent process for NGOs in India

US urged Indian authorities to adopt fairer process for foreign NGO, on Wednesday. India has banned US-based Christian charity organization Compassion International.

“NGOs do valuable work overseas. Certainly these countries and governments have their own reasons for the laws they pass, but we believe it should be transparent and clear why they’re shutting down these organization,” Mark Toner, the State Department’s acting spokesperson said in a news media briefing.

Toner expressed concern on the issue and said that the United States will raise the matter with the Indian government.

“I’m not going to necessarily speak to the substance of our diplomatic conversations with India, but I think we’re concerned. I mean, when we see, like I said, a group like Compassion International, which we believe is working and doing important work in India and is closed down, that it’s a matter of concern, but certainly we’ll raise that with the Indian Government,” he said.

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Postby ramana » 09 Mar 2017 22:02

Compassion International is doing conversion work in India. That is not a good thing. Hence it is banned.

Mark Toner can agitate all he wants.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 09 Mar 2017 22:46

ramana wrote:Compassion International is doing conversion work in India. That is not a good thing. Hence it is banned.

Mark Toner can agitate all he wants.

Ramana, I request you to not uncritically adopt and repeat the language of Toner.

Compassion International was not "banned". They chose to leave rather than abide by Indian laws. My understanding of what happened is as follows:

It was engaging in conversion which was against its stated purpose. Therefore, as per law (which was last updated under pro-christian congress government), it had to get government permission to access foreign funds. Compassion International was not willing to accept this. They used their influence to ask for a meeting with the government to persuade it to change its mind. They got the meeting, a very high level one, with the Foreign Secretary participating. The government side explained the law again, and offered them the opportunity to re-state their charter to include the word "religious " which they left out before. They refused.

I imagine they could have also continued to operate, even as an evangelical organization, if they restricted their fundraising to India alone. Again, they didn't want to consider this option, preferring to take monthly donations from well-meaning ignorant American retirees on fixed income who can ill afford it, for "saving heathens." This is nothing more than a racket, even from the American side.

Toner says Indian government has to be "transparent." Nothing could be more transparent than the way GOI handled this. CI was treated more than fairly, with special access to top levels of government when GOI would have been well within its rights to let a UDC handle the file in his or her own sweet time.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby ramana » 09 Mar 2017 23:15

Can you write a short essay about this and pdf it? We can tweet it and spread the news.

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Postby UlanBatori » 09 Mar 2017 23:16

GOI needs to learn from Americans in this regarding transparency. Arrest the top execs, deny bail, charge them with fraud, tort, extortion, undue influence, bribery, violation of visa laws, conspiring to violate Indian laws, violating rights of tribals, molesting children, crossing the street under a "Don't Walk!" sign, endangering Protected Species, Outraging the Modesty of goats, consuming prohibited drinks, possession of illegal substances, exceeding the speed limit on Federal Land (a Federal Office!), breaking tax law by falsely claiming tax-exempt status, lying under oath, swearing at a Law Enforcement Officer Who Was Performing Her Duly Appointed Constitutional Duty. Tell them they are each facing 1250 years RI to be served consecutively. And then the adjacent State will try them when they are released.

Get them to testify against each other, leak those to the press.

For Transparency, of course.

Actually, get the State Govt. to do this, and claim inability to do anything about it since Police are under State Rights Under Constitution. ALWAYS wave the Constitution around. Keeps flies away from the chai-biskoot.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby LokeshC » 09 Mar 2017 23:23

UlanBatori wrote:ALWAYS wave the Constitution around. Keeps flies away from the chai-biskoot.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Postby KLNMurthy » 09 Mar 2017 23:37

ramana wrote:Can you write a short essay about this and pdf it? We can tweet it and spread the news.


Yes, I can do that. over the weekend.

In the meantime, the facts are actually here in this NYT article, albeit biased and slanted.

Major Christian Charity Is Closing India Operations Amid a Crackdown

Notice that even the NYT headline doesn't say "banned", clearly they chose to leave. There are lot of crocodile tears about children who will lose free lunches and education funds etc. If they were sincere about providing lunches and education for all the youngsters (and nothing more), they could have arranged alternate local funding sources (could have been christian churches, or temples, or masjids or gurudwaras or just well-off people, usually Indian people who can afford it won't say no if you ask for funds for a good cause and are prepared to show proper credentials) since they had over a year's time, since the GOI issued its notices and started the process.

The implied conclusion is that they don't want to break their business model, which is to take monthly sponsorship contributions from mostly economically marginal American Christians who want to get "puNyam", and run an evangelization business in which the American employees and their Indian partners do very well in material terms, and have a very nice lifestyle, with free foreign travel etc., from organization funds.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Yagnasri » 10 Mar 2017 04:36

Before this thread was closed also I have asked this one to kept open as there are interesting times ahead in US domestic area. It is good that this thread got reopened.

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Postby UlanBatori » 10 Mar 2017 08:29

Dear Adminullahs:

Pls delete if any guidelines violated; apologies in advance. It's just that I am damn tired of these See Enn Enn paki sh1thead bigot hate-mongers. Many years ago we tried explaining peacefully and patiently to them, and they just lied in our faces.

Came in the email. Not my creation at all. I am just reporting the news faithfully. :mrgreen: Some ppl are sending letters to CNN Execs. C b lo.


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Dear Mr. Zucker,

You must have heard the outrage on CNN Believer show aired on CNN last Sunday prompting rallies against CNN in coming days across several cities and many leaders speak against portrayal of ancient Hindu religion followed by nearly one billion people and known to be older than 5000 BC, as a disgusting, filthy and discriminating religion consisting of ascetics who eat human flesh, drink urine and even behead.

The show pictured the most sacred place of Hindus, Varanasi, India as a giant toilet. No matter what words are chosen the graphics are shown to propagate stereotypes by showing extremities of few hundred people as a religion of 1 billion known for non-violence, yoga, meditation. This is like focusing cameras at drug and crime infested Chicago areas and say this is United States?

You chose to show this in spite of recent racial attacks and death of one person in Kansas and contributed to increase in attacks against Indian and Hindu Americans since the show has started. I do no know if you have children or grand children, when history teachers are using this show to learn more about religions they are not familiar with, what impressions would this give to our children? How would non-Hindu children and teachers treat them? Do you recognize how our children will be bullied based on these stereotypes which we are seeing numerous times where children are constantly being harassed. Will you take responsibility if children take drastic actions such as suicides or discard their religion? If you are really interested in showing religion, like National Geographic did in their recent show with Morgan Freeman, you would have consulted true religious experts and get their opinions and input.

In your pursuit for profit and sensationalism, you have chosen to ignore the truth, fairness and societal responsibility and showed racist, bigoted show during a prime time before millions of viewers, Do you recognize 20 years after Indian Jones movie, non-Hindu Americans still ask Hindu Americans whether Hindus eat monkey brains (even today 70% of Hindus are vegetarians). You know very well these are powerful imagery and portrayal of stereotypes is very dangerous. It is sad that CNN fake news has extended now beyond politics, to religion and other areas.

Sadly, this is not the first time and this will not be last time. The racist, bigoted and profit pursuing at any cost can only be addressed only when people raise up and expose this as rallies not just in United States, India but other parts of the world follow. In the coming days, I understand there will be rallies not just in United States, India but also other parts of the world with calls to close down CNN.

Hinduism is a very peaceful religion and Mahatma Gandhi is product of his deep rooted Hinduism. It is deeply pluralistic in thinking with respect to all religions and constantly evolving and in today's world we can all learn something from it. There is so much ignorance about the religion and we all will benefit from a objective analysis and study of it. It does not need lectures on caste discrimination and instead it is best to use our energies on racism, drugs, single parenthood and many other issues that is plaguing our society.

What world needs today is leaders that bring people together, to respect each other religion, to become better human beings. The least CNN can now do is to have a meaningful debate on Hindu religion with true religious leaders and not the so called leftist and perverted leaders who are today masquerading as experts on religions. I sincerely hope you want to be remembered as a decent rational human being long after you are gone.

Regards,




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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Prem » 10 Mar 2017 09:01

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... g-program/
31 Senators Call for More Foreign Workers to Replace Blue-Collar Americans
Thirty-one Democratic and Republican Senators are asking the Department of Homeland Security to maximize the use of blue-collar outsourcing visas so U.S. companies can import more foreign workers instead of recruiting, training and paying unskilled U.S. workers.
The bipartisan request comes three months after the shocking November vote pressured GOP leaders to slash the H-2B visa program from a one-year high of 264,000 visas back down to the long-standing level of 66,000 visas.The request to Department of Homeland Security John Kelly also comes as a claimed shortage of H-2B is prompted recruiters to find, hire, train and retain some of the millions of young underemployed men and women who could fill the many low-status seasonal jobs in landscaping, golf course maintenance, cleanup in restaurants, seafood processing, and hotel cleaning which are often allocated to H-2B contract-workers.On March 6, North Carolina GOP Sen. Thom Tillis announced a bipartisan Senate effort to increase the supply of H-2B visas, saying;
Senators Thom Tillis (R-NC), Mark Warner (D-VA) and a bipartisan group of 29 other senators sent a letter to Secretary of Homeland Security John Kelly, outlining concerns that the H-2B visa statutory cap will be reached soon. The Senators requested the Department of Homeland Security to conduct an audit to determine the number of unused visas during the first half of the fiscal year, and also requested that any unused visas be provided to eligible businesses that have been unable to secure an adequate number of workers due to the cap.
In 2015, after previously announcing that the statutory cap had been reached, [the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services agency] determined that more than 5,000 unused visas were available. Soon thereafter, the agency began accepting applications from businesses still hoping to hire workers through the program. With that in mind, we respectfully request that your office conduct an immediate audit of the number of unused visas from the first half of the fiscal year and project the likely usage rate for the second half of the fiscal year … As with prior practice, any unused visas should be provided to eligible businesses that have been unable to secure an adequate number of workers due to the cap.
We understand that when USCIS deems the cap to be reached, it accounts for a certain number of withdrawals, denials, and revocations. It is very important, however, that as soon as it has information on the actual number of visas issued, USCIS immediately makes any unused visas available to seasonal businesses. The political request to recycle 5,000 allocated-but-unused visas is a long fall from the industry’s successful push in 2015 to effectively quadruple the H-2B visa program from 66,000 visas to 274,000 visas. House Speaker Paul Ryan backed the expansion in December 2015. Growing public and media criticism prompted Ryan to withdrew his support in 2016, so allowing the program to drop back down to 66,000 visas per year level. The H-2B program is the blue-collar version of the H-1B visa outsourcing program, which allows a population of roughly 650,000 lower-wage foreign university graduates to take jobs sought by young American college grads. The H-1B program gets a lot of bad publicity, partly because it threatens the peers and children of influential middle-class professionals in the computer, academic, healthcare and business sectors, who also have ready access to sympathetic journalists.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Yagnasri » 10 Mar 2017 09:07

I wonder for whom these people are working. For mango Americans or to whom? I am surprised this kind of thing still takes place. Did they not learned anything from Nov 2016 results? The best example of disconnect and stupidity. I think this is the problem with most of the West. Leadership not caring and totally disconnected with the people.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Singha » 10 Mar 2017 09:38

Hinduism is a very peaceful religion and Mahatma Gandhi is product of his deep rooted Hinduism. It is deeply pluralistic in thinking with respect to all religions

^^^ these are all model minority statements of weakness.
Why should abrahamic faiths with zero sum dna give any respect to pluralistic tolerant religions? What they cannot get by conversion they can destroy with fire and psyops!

As people said the bad boys and those involved in muscular local politics and law enforcement get respect and street cred. Num of 2nd gen and 3rd gen pio in police and armed forces is minuscule as a %. Number in local politics is very low.

Sometimes i think the family based lower edu migrants are better than the self proclaimed stem elites in wider contact in local society...most of them.are just held back by lack of money but in next gen they will have more clout than the elitemen indics

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Singha » 10 Mar 2017 09:47

At the indian end buggers who file psyops plays like the aghori thing should attract a automatic and non changeable 5 year ban on their employer. Ie cnn not the flunkeys tasked for dirty deeds.

Let cnn bear the brunt for being a ej front

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Singha » 10 Mar 2017 11:03

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Yagnasri » 10 Mar 2017 12:26

Just had serious discussions with two Indian seniors ( to me) who said that the US people are not good in doing many high-end jobs and there is serious staff requirement is there and white people do not have an aptitude for many things for which they need "highly educated" Indians. I had to argue with them that it is not the case. Funny that all of them never even visited the US. I had to tell them that people can be trained to do the jobs most of which require limited skill sets. They were almost arguing the "marshall race theory" type arguments.

Racism is also in India and we now think that we are better than whites in some aspects. :mrgreen:

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby hnair » 10 Mar 2017 13:26

UlanBatori wrote:ALWAYS wave the Constitution around. Keeps flies away from the chai-biskoot.


Like these guys, who were protesting by dancing at Jefferson Memorial, back during Shree Obama's time in 2011 :lol:



I remember writing back in 2006 or so that US is the world's best run police state.

Everyone is tracked, communications recorded of even senior military figures by paranoid security police, can be summarily executed by a shooting squad (cops) for showing dissidence or unarmed resistance in public, neighbours who are forced to be informants (called neighbourhood watch) to the state, propaganda videos mainly for their own public showing "why we need to watch you closely" (hollywood movies and cable series)..... the list is long

The Soviets were incompetent beyond belief in these matters. All they had was a monochrome photo of lenin and a glossy magazine that we used during schooldays for wrapping our textbooks

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Karthik S » 10 Mar 2017 13:36

Yagnasri wrote:Just had serious discussions with two Indian seniors ( to me) who said that the US people are not good in doing many high-end jobs and there is serious staff requirement is there and white people do not have an aptitude for many things for which they need "highly educated" Indians. I had to argue with them that it is not the case. Funny that all of them never even visited the US. I had to tell them that people can be trained to do the jobs most of which require limited skill sets. They were almost arguing the "marshall race theory" type arguments.

Racism is also in India and we now think that we are better than whites in some aspects. :mrgreen:


It's tribal mind speaking sir, it's but natural for any group to think they are the best etc, not withstanding the fact that such thinking is the primary reason for all ideological conflicts.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Yagnasri » 10 Mar 2017 14:20

I am not saying that we shall not think that we are the best. But to say that others are incapable of this or that is wrong. Particularly when the other side has highly rich and powerful than you. We need to respect the fact that for whatever the reasons whites in the US did quite well in many aspects for decades and but for the stupid elelction choices could have done much better. No doubt they have lot of things going for them. Still, an achivement is an achivement. To say that they can not even become software coolies or do manufacturing jobs unless our great Indians go there and "help" them is wrong.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Singha » 10 Mar 2017 14:29

>> US is the world's best run police state.

you summed it up nicely.

the soviet magazine must have been soviet land? dirt cheap and great thick paper where we learnt origami and make planes.

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Re: Understanding US thread-III

Postby Lalmohan » 10 Mar 2017 16:32

Yagnasri wrote:I wonder for whom these people are working. For mango Americans or to whom? I am surprised this kind of thing still takes place. Did they not learned anything from Nov 2016 results? The best example of disconnect and stupidity. I think this is the problem with most of the West. Leadership not caring and totally disconnected with the people.


and you are placing your trust in Breitbart for reporting this 'news'?


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