Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - March 17, 2017

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Paki Minorities Do Not Trust Census Takers !

Census source of fear and hope for minorities
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RABWAH - Marginalised, attacked and frequently hit by blasphemy charges, religious minorities are hoping the country's first census since 1998 will be a step towards greater political representation and rights.
When a Balochistan resident identified himself as Ahmadi to census officials, they chased him out of the mosque where they had gathered families to be counted, Saleemuddin, a spokesman for the community, told AFP, without identifying the man for safety reasons.In other cases, he said, census officials simply assume the Ahmadis are Muslim because their names are indistinguishable from the general population and tick that box on their behalf. It is a potentially dangerous move.Under laws, "If I declare myself as a Muslim ... I can be imprisoned for three years," Saleemuddin said. Even those groups keen for recognition are wary, their suspicion fuelled by bitter experiences that run deep among minorities. Citizens can declare themselves to be Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Ahmadi or "other".
But Hindu rights activist Kapil Dev accused the government of divisiveness by having a caste option in the census, when the community believes it should be recorded as one entity, while the Sikh faith failed to make it onto the survey altogether. Radesh Singh Tony went to court in Peshawar because there was no mention of Sikhism on the form. The court ruled in the activist's favour, ordering the government to include Sikhs - but the count had already begun, and Radesh was not optimistic. "The government has a record of ignoring court orders," he told AFP. And though Christopher was confident, many of his fellow Christians argued even if they are accurately counted it will change nothing until Pakistan's attitude towards non-Muslims improves.
"Muslims can't see a Christian progress, get a good education and a good job - this is a fact," said Pervaiz Jazbi, a 37-year-old Christian shopkeeper in Islamabad. "The element of discrimination is always there," agreed Christian student Sania Nishtar. Saleemuddin said the Ahmadi man who fled the Balochistan mosque became the target of a hate campaign, barred even from buying food. "He fled with his family," Saleemuddin told AFP. "He has been living in hiding ever since." Then there is the "potential" of census staff ( all Muslims) abusing or misusing confidential census data to "help target" young and innocent Hindu, Christian, Sikh and Ahmedi girls to" sexually hungry Islami suitors" looking for a second, third or fourth wife :evil:
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Jamaat- e- Isami Bays For Kalbushan's Head !

Kalbushan destined to be hanged: JI
Replying to media queries at the JI Youth election camp at Mohlanwal on Sunday, the JI amir held that Kulbhushan was a terrorist and had been deputed in Pakistan for sabotage and killing and hundreds of innocent people in terrorist activities.
“Pakistan is a sovereign state, not a slave of any world power,” he added. Paki H&D -and slave status - was not "affected" when "terrorist and spy " Raymond Davis of Massaland was set free ( after paying billions of Rupees as blood money ) under Pakistan's notorious Sharia Law. :twisted:
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Paki IT Workers At US Congress Show Their Pakistanayat :mrgreen:

Luke Rosiak
House IT Aides Fear Suspects In Hill Breach Are House IT Aides Fear Suspects In Hill Breach Are Blackmailing Members With Their Own Data
Congressional technology aides are baffled that data-theft allegations against four former House IT workers — who were banned from the congressional network — have largely been ignored, and they fear the integrity of sensitive high-level information.
Imran Awan and three relatives ( you cannot be more Pakistani - with a name like that !) were colleagues until police banned them from computer networks at the House of Representatives after suspicion the brothers accessed congressional computers without permission
The baffled aides wonder if the suspects are blackmailing representatives based on the contents of their emails and files, to which they had full access.
A manager at a tech-services company that works with Democratic House offices said he approached congressional offices, offering their services at one-fourth the price of Awan and his Pakistani brothers, but the members declined. At the time, he couldn’t understand why his offers were rejected but now he suspects the Awans exerted some type of leverage over members. ( with the help of other Paki origin collaborators :roll: )
Politico reported the Awan crew is “accused of stealing equipment from members’ offices without their knowledge and committing serious, potentially illegal, violations on the House IT network.” The usual modus operandi :evil:
Awan began working for Democratic Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida in 2005, and his wife, his brother’s wife, and two of his brothers all appeared on the payrolls of various House Democrats soon after, payroll records show. They have collected $4 million since 2010.
For years, it was widely known that Awan, and eventually his 20-year-old brother Jamal, did the bulk of the work for various offices, while no-show employees were listed on members’ staffs in order to collect additional $165,000 salaries, workers said. This circumvented a rule that prevents any one staffer from making more than members of Congress.Pakistan type scams successfully transplanted to the "heart of Massaland power" :mrgreen:
One Democratic IT staffer said Awan “would come in and only help the member — he’d tell me this — because staff come and go. There was one staffer whose computer was broken and said, ‘I’m not going to pay my invoices until you fix my computer,’ and Imran went to the member, and they fired [the staffer who complained] that day. Imran has that power.” So, this "smooth talking Pakjabi " took a US Congress Member for a ride, without the member not having a clue of what is happening to him or his staff. So, much so for accountablility . No wonder, Trump wants to drain the "Washington swamp :evil: "
The investigation goes far beyond the theft of millions of dollars. The employees could read all emails dozens of members of Congress sent and received, as well as access any files members and their staff stored. Court records show the brothers ran a side business that owed $100,000 to an Iranian fugitive who has been tied to Hezbollah, and their stepmother says they often send money to Pakistan. Loyalty to Malsi and Pakistan is # 1 priority !
Another Democratic IT contractor said members “are saying don’t say anything, this will all blow over if we all don’t say anything.” The Awans “had [members] in their pocket,” and “there are a lot of members who could go down over this.” Trump's promise to "end Washington corruption" should start from here. !!!
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Decoding Pak’s Jadhav stratagem
Pakistan decided to "up the ante". In a note of March 21, 2017, Pakistan linked India's request for consular assistance to its request for "assistance in the investigation process and early dispensation of justice".

The linkage was absurd but India did not say so. In a note sent on March 31, India stated that "consular access was an essential prerequisite in order to verify the facts and understand the circumstances of his presence in Pakistan". Clearly this was a valid approach taken by India for its main focus was on consular access. However, it underlined the continuation of the Pakistani policy of targeting Indian intelligence at the highest levels in this case. It was playing a dangerous game. This conclusion is established by the fact that Pakistan had completed Jadhav's trial process by February 12. Even without the evidence sought through its request of January 23 the Pakistan military court concluded the trial. What was the need then to put forward this linkage, if not to provoke the Indian Intelligence establishment, specifically the 13?
The wide publicity given to Jadhav’s arrest and the targeting of Indian intelligence by the Pakistan army may have been good tactics but made little strategic sense. Musharraf's Kargil misadventure comes to mind. It was a great tactical move to occupy the Kargil heights in the hope that the Indian Army will compel the government to negotiate and Siachen will come into play. The Indian army disregarded the difficulties and the loss of previous lives and rose to the occasion. The country under Vajpayee's leadership showed the will to make Kargil into an unmitigated strategic disaster for Pakistan. Its consequences should hold a lesson for Pakistan's civil and military leadership. The Jadhav issue is going the way of Kargil for Pakistan. Will the army leadership give up its Bourbon syndrome?
I think its a summary in a 'Counch-shell'
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Katju Makes Up For Early "Anti- India" Remarks :D

Pakistan is a fake and artificial country, says former ICJ Markandey Katju :P
Former Indian Chief Justice Markandey Katju said that Pakistan is a fake and artificial country. Cavours & Garibaldis would unite India and Pakistan once again.A day earlier, he told Indian government that they had made a mistake of going into International Court of Justice as Pakistan would also go with Kashmir’s case. Markandey Katju believes that the subcontinent was divided on the bogus Two Nation theory of the Britishers.In his latest Tweet he says that India and Pakistan will unite one day.
In his next Tweet he says,“I am the Mazzini, 'dreamer' of Indo-Pak reunification, but I am confident my dream will be made a reality by some Cavours & Garibaldis”
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Falijee wrote:Katju Makes Up For Early "Anti- India" Remarks :D
In his next Tweet he says,“I am the Mazzini, 'dreamer' of Indo-Pak reunification, but I am confident my dream will be made a reality by some Cavours & Garibaldis”
He is nothing but Don Quixote's Donkey.
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Immy (Champion # 1) Bashes POTUS, Saudia, Paki Fauj, Ganja Sharif, Nawaz Muslim League . Warns Against Isolating "The Mullahs Of Iran " :((

Isolating Iran is not in Muslim World or Pakistan’s interest: Imran
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: The Chairman Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Imran Khan has said that we do not agree with isolation of Iran on the basis of a leader who is going to be democratically elected by the people of Iran.
“Isolating Iran is not in the interest of the Muslim world or of Pakistan,” Imran Khan said while talking to media in Islamabad on Monday. Saudi Arabia is one of the 3.5 mai baaps of Pakistan, so the Pakis are "forced" to dance to their tune - whether they like it or not :mrgreen:
His remarks came in apparent reference to the US President Donald Trump’s speech in the US-Arab-Islamic Summit held in Riyadh on Sunday, in which he lashed out at Iran, accusing Tehran of fueling the fires of sectarian conflict and terror, and calling for its international isolation.Imran Khan said that all the parties in the Parliament passed a unanimous resolution that Pakistan should remain a neutral entity in the Muslim world. Paki National Assembly "resolutions" do not carry any weight . Real decisions are made by those who pay the bill for insolvent Pakistan ( i.e. Saudia, Amreeka , Chinas,Bartania )
“We don’t want the Muslim world divided with more trouble; from Somalia to Afghanistan the Muslim world is burning. Pakistan wants to be one putting out the fires, not supporting other people’s wars,” he said. Pakistan, the # 1 champion of Islamic unity , Imran Khan, the # 1 "leader"(in waiting !) of "Islamic" Pakistan
In his speech at the Summit, the US president even didn’t mention Pakistan’s sacrifices in the war against terror. Sharif sulking in Saudia :roll:
The Chairman PTI said that Pakistan did not even get a mention as a frontline state fighting the war on terror in the US-Arab-Islamic Summit. He said that meanwhile, Indian get a mention in the Summit, and there is no voice raised by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on the atrocities in Kashmir. Immy, - the poster boy of the Paki Fauj - likes to rouse the Aam Abduls, using the " Kashmir angle " . And of course, the huge Paki Ego. AKA. the "famous echendee" :mrgreen:
Talking about the Panama Case, Imran Khan said that the Case against Nawaz Sharif is a criminal case right now. Imran Khan said that we found out recently that the JIT investigations are going to be confidential proceedings whereas we wanted it to be an open investigation in front of the people of Pakistan. IMO, "Open or confidential" Investigation - it will not matter . JIT ( like the Paki Supreme Court ) is in Ganja's pocket . He will come out "smelling like roses" , as and when the report is out. There is going to be a BIG celebration at the Raiwind Estate once the pressure is over !
In reference to the crackdown against social media activists, Imran Khan said that social media is a new phenomenon in Pakistan.The Chairman PTI said that it was Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz’s (PML-N) media cell which maligned the Pakistan army. But, he added, instead of going after an organised party and their effort, they are trying to curb people’s private opinions and their viewpoints.
“If you are making mistakes, then the people have a right to point them out so stop trying to mask it as maligning of the army,” Imran said. Imran , the egoist will never admit any of his shortcomings . He wants power by hook or by crook. His future, like any other politico in Pakistan ( Z. Bhutto, B.Bhutto, N. Sharif ) is going to be decided by the Paki Fauj :mrgreen:
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Mushy Boast : Jadhav "Bigger Terrorist" Than Ajmal Kasab

Pervez Musharraf: Kulbhushan Jadhav bigger terrorist than Ajmal Kasab, Pakistan should have ignored India's ICJ petition :((
Former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf on Friday said that Kulbhushan Jadhav is a bigger terrorist than Ajmal Kasab, one of the perpetrators of the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, in which more than 150 people were killed.Jadhav, a former Indian Navy officer, was sentenced to death by a Pakistani military court in April this year on charges of espionage. Pakistan alleges that Jadhav is a Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) agent and is responsible for fomenting unrest in Balochistan, the troubled Pakistani region where Islamabad has long accused RAW of promoting terrorism.In an interview to Pakistan's ARY News, Musharraf drew parallels between Jadhav and Kasab, who was hanged to death in India for his role in the Mumbai attacks. Musharraf said Kasab was just a "pawn" while Jadhav is responsible for getting "dozens of people" to carry out terrorist activities.
The " Publicity Hungry" Kammandu likes to insert himself himself in Paki siyasat every now and then by some sort of outrageous remarks - like this one :mrgreen:
"Who is a bigger culprit (between Jadhav and Kasab)," Musharraf rhetorically asked, before saying, "Obviously it is Jadhav." "I don't even know how many people's deaths Jadhav is responsible for," Musharraf added. The former Pakistani army chief also slammed his country for appearing in the International Court of Justice, which this week put a stay on Jadhav's death sentence. "It was wrong that India went to the ICJ," Musharraf said, adding, "Pakistan should not have gone (to the ICJ". Issues of espionage and sabotage are Pakistan's internal matters, Musharraf added, saying no one has the authority to advise his country on these issues.
Mushy's so-called gift of the gab ( and big mouth !) has landed him in trouble many many times, but he carries on and on and on .... :mrgreen:
This week, the World Court, allowing India's plea, asked Pakistan not to execute Jadhav until the ICJ has had the time to hear the matter in full and arrive at a final verdict.
As many on this Forum have speculated , there is nothing concrete to hope that suggest that Jadhav is still "breathing" :evil:
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Kulbhushan Jadhav might be dead, fear defence experts after Aziz's assertion
New Delhi: After Pakistan's Foreign Affairs Advisor Sartaj Aziz on Saturday asserted that the CJI cannot acquit Kulbhushan Yadav and the Indian national on death row would be punished in accordance with Pakistani laws, defence experts feared that he might already be “dead or not in a presentable state”.
"It's a very unfortunate statement from a very mature politician. It gives rise to a couple of fears. Kulbhushan has already bumped off or he has been reduced to a very vegetative state and is not presentable,” ANI quoted defence expert P.K. Sehgal as saying.
Another defence expert pointed out that Pakistan might be hoping that the China may bail them out by applying the Veto. How many times will the Chinese "protect" Pakistan from "world censure" is still unknown.!
“Pakistan must be confident that China will bail them out by applying the Veto," Raj Kadyan told ANI. "The second aspect is more worrisome. When you look at the whole development, whenever this issue has come to light why has Pakistan always been reluctant to give the consular access.“Pakistan also knew that the denial of the consular access will get them exposed in front of the International community. I hope Kulbhushan is alive and my fear proves wrong," Kadyan added.Earlier in the day, Aziz said that the ICJ's virdict is provisionary and does not imply a defeat for Pakistan."The ICJ gave no verdict regarding consular access," Aziz said. IMO, apart from a few "top honchos" connected to the Paki Fauj and the Deep State, no know probably knows whether he is dead or alive !
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/europe/ma ... index.html

how long before a paki is found invoked in this attack???
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X Posted from the STFUP thread.
anupmisra wrote:A Number of Confirmed Fatalities’ After Alleged Explosion at Ariana Grande Concert
Police in Manchester, England, have confirmed emergency services responded to “reports of an explosion” at Manchester Arena where Ariana Grande was performing on Monday night.
BBC News correspondent Daniel Sandford reports the situation is being treated “as a possible terrorist incident.”
The “Side to Side” singer had just finished her performance when two “loud bangs” were reportedly heard between 10:40 p.m. and 10:45 p.m., according to the Manchester Evening News. “We saw young girls with blood on them, everyone was screaming and people were running,” one concertgoer said.
Religion of peace, any one?

https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/number- ... 46629.html

Death toll of 19 being reported.

While there is no claim for responsibility and nothing is known as yet about the perpetrator, the reported fact that a suicide bomber was involved and that it took place in the UK at Manchester would suggest to me that this attack is an act of Mohammadden Terrorism likely perpetrated by an individual with origins in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

In sum, suggestive of a another attack by a “Bak Pak”, BRF shorthand for Back pack wearing Pakistani attack like the London Underground bombing attack, perhaps disgruntled by US President Donald Trump ignoring the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s efforts in quelling Mohammadden Terrorism she had created in an attempt to intimidate neighbours like India.

Wait and watch:

At Least 19 Killed in Terror Attack Outside Ariana Grande Concert : 50 more injured as suspected suicide bomber targets concertgoers
On Monday night, Ariana Grande's concert at the Manchester Arena ended with an emergency evacuation after reports of explosions were heard. ………………..

The Greater Manchester Police Department reported 19 people were killed and about 50 more people were injured by an explosion as they were exiting the venue……………

Police believe the attack was perpetrated by a suicide bomber wearing a backpack …………………
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1tsyGthZtg

Nawaz Sharif's big let down in SA..... :(( :(( :(( :(( in the words of Manohar Parriker, andhra wali mirchi lagi hai
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Rauf Klasra, one of the three or four sensible people in Pakistan, talking sense about the be-izzatti.
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Major explosion at Ariana Grande Concert in Manchester, UK.

19 people dead and scores injured.

Prima-facie it appears to have links to Bakistanis.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/death ... ng-n763286
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^^^ How so Disha? I am watching CNN and they are making speculations, but till now I have not heard anyone mention its a Paki.
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Falijee wrote:Pakistaniyat On The Rise In Wake Of Jadhev ICJ Judgement :twisted:

Indian national detained in Islamabad
An Indian national was arrested from the federal capital on Sunday.According to a report, he was arrested from F-8 area of Islamabad over possessing incomplete travel documents.A case has been filed against him under Article 14 of the Foreign Act. The Indian national has been sent to jail on judicial remand.The incident comes in the wake of heightened tensions between both the countries over the death sentence announced to Kulbhushan Jadhav by the military court on the charges of espionage.
Indian visitors and/or embassy staff should be "prepared" for petty harassment !

Turns out this Nabi Ahmed Sheikh who was arrested in Islamabad for incomplete travel documents is suspected by Indian security forces of being a Mohammadden Terrorist linked to Lashker e Toiba and had exfiltrated from Jammu into the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for training in IT, that is IT in the Pakistani sense namely Islamic Terrorism rather than Information Technology:

Man in Pakistan custody came under the ATS scanner in 2003
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CRamS wrote:^^^ How so Disha? I am watching CNN and they are making speculations, but till now I have not heard anyone mention its a Paki.
It does not matter. ALL terrorism incidents ultimately lead to Pakistan. Even if they don't this being BR we blame them.
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CRamS wrote:^^^ How so Disha? I am watching CNN and they are making speculations, but till now I have not heard anyone mention its a Paki.
Pakistan is the Mothership of Global Terrorism. It is safe to assume that any large scale terrorist attack, one way or other, will be linked to the mothership.
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CRamS wrote:^^^ How so Disha? I am watching CNN and they are making speculations, but till now I have not heard anyone mention its a Paki.
Pakistan is no longer a geographical entity of the attached toilet to India's northwest. It is the purest form of jihadi IEdeology. In India: toilet = pakistan, worldwide: terrorism = pakistan
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Either way, until UK police release details of their investigation including suspect(s) they are pursuing, I can bet you, TSP RAPE like Jihadi MushRatZaidi who was puking in the IE the other day, along with others who crave equal equal with India are sh!tting bricks hoping that its not one of their own.
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its equally likely to be north african or mid-east radicals though I understand france and germany is more their pride lands.

tsp is usually very careful to fly on the right side of their 3.5 fathers which includes UK. their elites have wealth and children parked there, so dont want to allow this sort of thing to happen. hitting UK does not benefit the RAPE for sure.
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Most probably the person involved (if suicide bomb) was Musliim of "South Asian" origin, and a British citizen of 2nd or 3rd generation, or white British convert. If not a suicide bomb, but a placed one (more likely in my opinion), the same antecedents are likely - and in both cases, there will be one or two outside players - North Africans, non-Gulf Arab or East European. Undoubtedly, all will be of Islamic faith.

South-East Asian is unlikely, but of course, nothing is impossible.
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saip wrote:
CRamS wrote:^^^ How so Disha? I am watching CNN and they are making speculations, but till now I have not heard anyone mention its a Paki.
It does not matter. ALL terrorism incidents ultimately lead to Pakistan. Even if they don't this being BR we blame them.
Why would you that? It implies BR is an unfair place.
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Singha wrote:its equally likely to be north african or mid-east radicals though I understand france and germany is more their pride lands.

tsp is usually very careful to fly on the right side of their 3.5 fathers which includes UK. their elites have wealth and children parked there, so dont want to allow this sort of thing to happen. hitting UK does not benefit the RAPE for sure.
Spot on, TSP is very careful to hit India and Afghanistan for the most part, and in India's case they will even all but brag about it after being invited to UnDy and IE. But they will not touch their 3.5. There is a method to their madness. However, once a TSPian, always a TSPian. So the TSPians in Manchester, UK don't need ISI sponsorship. So if this does indeed turn out to be a Paki, it will be massive embarrassment to TSP RAPE no doubt, but won't be ISI sponsored.
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http://www.rediff.com/news/column/trump ... 170523.htm
Trump sent Pakistan a message in Riyadh
May 23, 2017 08:47 IST
'The Trump administration is on the same page as India that Pakistan is not the solution, but the problem itself,' says Rajeev Sharma.
On the face of it, India has reasons to celebrate US President Donald Trump's first speech on foreign soil at the Arab-Islamic-US summit in Riyadh on Sunday, May 21, where he specifically named India as a 'victim of terrorism' though he did not mention Pakistan.
Trump did not mention Pakistan even once in his speech (though Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was seated in the front row of the audience) and poured boiling water over Pakistan's strategic establishment by not referring to the so-called sacrifices made by Pakistan in combating terror.
This is a double whammy for Pakistan, a country which despite being the creator of the Frankenstein's monster called terrorism has been projecting itself as a victim of terrorism.
Pakistan has successfully sold this recipe to the international community, including previous US regimes that its 'contribution' to the global warming against terror is second to none as it has lost more than 70,000 civilians and over 6,000 soldiers due to terrorism.
But apparently this is not enough for the Trump administration.
What looks worse for Pakistan is that the Trump administration, whether it tightens up the screws on Pakistan or not, does not appear to be in a mood to mollycoddle Pakistan on the terror issue.
Perhaps as a corollary to this argument, Nawaz Sharif was not allowed to make his speech at Riyadh (external link). This completes Pakistan's humiliation.
On the face of it, it looks good for India -- Trump calling India a victim of terrorism and not hyphenating Pakistan in this context.
The Indian glee doubles up by the fact that Pakistan was not extolled for its 'services' in the cause of fighting terrorism, indicating that the Trump administration is on the same page as India that Pakistan is not the solution, but the problem itself.
If Trump really wanted to hear Pakistan's views on terrorism, no one could have prevented Nawaz Sharif from making his speech at the Riyadh summit.
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Also see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjHe2Zg5n40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnrHxB2O-qE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ52twjTZhM

and for many such nonsense visit youtube.
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yensoy wrote:
sudhan wrote:The pakis are claiming a yearly revenue of about $6 to $8 billion a year from CPEC (transit fees)

Leaving aside the fact that this claim was made by paki and carries the weight of a mouse f@rt.. is there some level headed estimate of how much the pakis will earn as a rental revenue from goods passing through?
Back of the envelope calculations: say they run about 24 rake worth of containers a day, roughly 60/rake, i.e. 1440 containers/day. $200 transit fees. Each way. That is about $210 million/year.

Let's say they make the same for non-port bound traffic, and then let's double that for bulk and oil shipments thru pipeline. That is still around $840 million/year.

Frankly, I think even this is an estimate on the higher side. For $8 billion, if it's only via container traffic, we are looking at them filling and emptying 3 Ultra Large Container Vessels every day. That's not going to happen.

What do I know, I am just an ignoramus. The mandarins know best.
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Folks, right in the very first post of every TSP thread, we have this link. It is 9 years old now but still pretty useful to understand Pakistan's over-arching global jihadi terrorism.

Global jihadi terrorism is backed by the Pakistani Army & its ISI with the tacit support of the Pakistani civilian government.

Let us not make the same mistake by dividing Pakistanis into 'Good' and 'Bad' ones.

Given a chance, every Pakistani would behave exactly similarly like a jihadi.
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Trump proposes to convert US grant to Pakistan into loan

WASHINGTON: US President Donald Trump has proposed in his annual budget to the Congress to convert US grant to Pakistan for purchase of military hardware into a loan, the White House said.

However, the Trump administration has left it for the State Department to take a final call on the proposal.

Unlike many parliamentary democracies like India and the UK, wherein the finance minister personally delivers speech on the floor of the parliament, in the US the White House sends hard copies of the President's budget proposals.

The maiden annual budget of the Trump administration would be submitted to the US Congress later today.

Responding to questions, Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management of Budget in the White House said the Trump administration has proposed to convert its Foreign Military Funding (FMF) programme to many countries, including Pakistan, from aid to financial loan.

"The Foreign Military Funding or FMF for Pakistan may be provided in the form of a loan," said Mulvaney.

"This is one of the options that the administration had explored in its internal deliberations, but the request itself does not make that determination," the White House later clarified, indicating that it might revert back to the original financial grant to Pakistan to sell military hardware if need be.

Whether the funding is provided through grants, or as a subsidy for a guaranteed loan, is an option the State Department can exercise to ensure our foreign assistance best supports US' national interests, the White House added.

The move is seen as part of the Trump administration's efforts to cut foreign aid budgets to help pay for increased US military spending.

However, for countries like Israel and Egypt, its military aid would continue to be in the form of grant, Mulvaney said.

The details of the FMF to Pakistan and other countries are expected to be released by the State Department later.

"We do maintain aid to Pakistan in the budget. I don't believe it's at the same levels as previous," he said in response to a question.

"We do change a couple of the foreign military programmes from direct grants to loans. Our argument was instead of giving somebody USD 100 million, we can give them a smaller number worth of loan guarantees and they can actually buy more stuff. We did not change it for Israel. We did not change it for Egypt," he said.

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yensoy wrote:
sudhan wrote:The pakis are claiming a yearly revenue of about $6 to $8 billion a year from CPEC (transit fees)

Leaving aside the fact that this claim was made by paki and carries the weight of a mouse f@rt.. is there some level headed estimate of how much the pakis will earn as a rental revenue from goods passing through?
Back of the envelope calculations: say they run about 24 rake worth of containers a day, roughly 60/rake, i.e. 1440 containers/day. $200 transit fees. Each way. That is about $210 million/year.

Let's say they make the same for non-port bound traffic, and then let's double that for bulk and oil shipments thru pipeline. That is still around $840 million/year.

Frankly, I think even this is an estimate on the higher side. For $8 billion, if it's only via container traffic, we are looking at them filling and emptying 3 Ultra Large Container Vessels every day. That's not going to happen.

What do I know, I am just an ignoramus. The mandarins know best.

A simpler way to look at how ludicrous the Mohammadden Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan's expectation that the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) is going to enable them to milk USD 8 Billion in transit fees from Higher then Himalaya's, Deeper then Indian Ocean, Sweeter then Honey, Stronger then Steel, Closer then Lips to teeth, Iron Brother Peoples Republic of China is to look at Egypt's toll earnings from the Suez Canal.


The Suez Canal earning for the two months of March and April 2017 aggregated to USD 0.8537 Billion for an annualised earning of USD 5.122 Biliion. Expectation of milking USD 8 Billion from CPEC is thus clearly in the realm of madrassah maths:

Egypt's Suez Canal revenue $853.7 million in April and March: statement
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ramana wrote:
saip wrote: It does not matter. ALL terrorism incidents ultimately lead to Pakistan. Even if they don't this being BR we blame them.
Why would you that? It implies BR is an unfair place.

Common Ramana. If half of things said about TSP on here were accurate, then they would be a hyper power with global reach. Some of our members do get carried away.
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First Kirket, Now Kabaddi, What Is Next ?

India bars Pakistan from participating in upcoming Pro Kabaddi League
India has barred Pakistani players from taking part in the upcoming Pro Kabaddi League (PKL) in which players from 16 countries will participate, Hindustan Times reported. Indian Sports Minister Vijay Goel on Monday asserted that no players from Pakistan will be allowed to take part in the upcoming PKL "unless Pakistan gets rid of its terrorism," the Indian daily reported. Goel said that even if the organisers of the league, scheduled to begin on June 25, select Pakistani players to participate, "it is [the] Government of India which will decide whether they are allowed [to play] or not", the daily reported.
"Unless Pakistan gets rid of terrorism, it is impossible to play with Pakistan," the Indian minister added. Modi-ji's plan of diplomatic and other isolation of Pakiland moving along nicely. :mrgreen:
In keeping with the stance of the Indian govt, the PKL franchise "turned their backs on the 10-odd Pakistani players", the Indian daily reported. It is expected that as the league begins in June, none of the Pakistani players listed for auction will be selected to participate. Ten players from Pakistan had been listed to be auctioned to franchises. The "best" way is to hurt this "artificial entity" is in the pocketbook !
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Gen Bajwa Meets Amb Hale ; Complains About Trump's Indifference Towards Pakistan .

Pakistan fumes over Trump’s ‘indifference’
SLAMABAD - US President Donald Trump’s indifferent attitude at the US-Arab-Islamic Summit in Riyadh has left Pakistan fuming as Islamabad tried to reassure Washington on its role against terrorism, The Nation has learnt. A senior official at the foreign ministry said that Pakistan had contacted the US through the diplomatic channels after Trump did not even mention Pakistan in his speech at the summit. “This has of course hurt us. We expected acknowledgement of our role and our commitment to defeat terrorism,” he said. :((
Addressing the Muslim-majority nations Donald Trump named India as the country affected by terrorism. He totally ignored Pakistan in his speech. At a time when India, Afghanistan and Iran were accusing Pakistan of terrorism, Trump’s speech did little to help the only nuclear-armed Muslim nation. Every, once in a while, the Pakis "run to the Amreekis" , when things don't go their way. No self respecting nation would do this !
Another official at the foreign ministry told The Nation, that Pakistan had counted its sacrifices in the war against terrorism during the diplomatic contacts with the US. “Our ambassador to the US [Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry] and other diplomats will also take up this issue in Washington,” he said. The official said that Trump’s speech damaged Pakistan’s efforts to convince the world that “we are seriously fighting terrorists.” He said terming India as victim of terrorism when PM Sharif was tending the summit, did not send a good message. :roll:
Back home however, the US ambassador to Pakistan David Hale met Army Chief Qamar Javed Bajwa in Rawalpindi on Monday and acknowledged Pakistan’s role and sacrifices in the war against terrorism.
Ambassador Hale noted President Donald Trump’s call during his speech at the Arab-Islamic-American Summit for a vision of peace, security, and prosperity, and unity in conquering extremism and terrorism, said a US embassy statement. He also discussed the Afghanistan issue with General Bajwa.
Separately, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf chief Imran Khan on Monday mocked PM Sharif for not being invited to speak at the summit in Riyadh. Khan said Sharif listened to Trump’s speech as he labelled elected Palestinian representatives as terrorists and accused Iran of sponsoring terrorism.
He claimed the Riyadh Summit was held to isolate Iran. After the embarrassment in Riyadh, Prime Minister Sharif spoke to journalists in Madina vowing to eliminate terrorism from the face of the earth with the help of other countries.
The prime minister maintained his interaction with President Trump remained fruitful.
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News of PM Modi ordering part of Ravi river outflow diverted for use in Punjab and J&K floating around. Paki newspapers also reporting.
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Falijee wrote:Gen Bajwa Meets Amb Hale ; Complains About Trump's Indifference Towards Pakistan .

Pakistan fumes over Trump’s ‘indifference’
To be fair (even to Trump), what Trump was trying to say in his speech (as I heard it) was that so and so countries are affected by terrorism, but the most affected is the islamic world. Trust idiot Pakis to make it an equal-equal thing.

Now my question -- is it usual for the ambassador of a country to meet its military chief? I couldn't find any reported instance of US ambassador to India meeting the service chiefs. Sure they could get together and have a drink, but would there be an actual official event with the kind of reporting we see in Pakistan? My feeling is that the service chief would say "go talk to my boss - RM, PM or President and don't waste my time".
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India should come out with statement that IWT was between India and Pakistan if a third part becomes a stakeholder in the water from Indus watershed then then the treaty will become null and void. That will keep Cheena and Pakis offbalance on Basha Dam
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