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Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Gagan » 19 Apr 2017 04:39

No UB guru
I am merely saying, that this whole NoKo thing is probably going to end as a damp squib.

The goals have already been achieved, hands have been shaken behind the scenes. NoKo has postponed its N test.
In return for what, is the question.

There is no attacking of pyongyang happening, no reunification of the korean lands ityadi.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Austin » 19 Apr 2017 10:46

NoKo shows video of Nuclear Missile launched at US


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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Austin » 19 Apr 2017 11:09

DT must be soon realising that he cant bluff his way on NoKo issue as it has the real potential of creating a nuclear conflict in the region something he wont be able to control once ball start rolling.

He seems to always start with a maximalist position and then tones it down , Shows his inexperience in matter of Diplomacy

Sooner or later he will realise Noko problem cant be solved militarily and diplomacy is the only way out and NoKo wont give up its nuclear weapons but they can talk it to curtain to its current level in terms of yeald and stock

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby amit » 19 Apr 2017 11:29

I'm not too sure why folks are saying this is a disaster for DT and that he is immature in diplomacy etc? NoKo was just a proxy, this was shadow boxing between Eleven and DT and I think the later really dealt a K.O. to Eleven's image of a strong man and showed the Chinis there's a top dog in the neighbourhood and it ain't their Dear Leader.

The thing started at the Florida meeting where DT deliberately touch down after Eleven, making sure he waited for him. And then Eleven was given the full DT arrogance treatment.

The NoKo painted Chini mizzile going kaaboom after liftoff was a stark reminder to Eleven that in terms of military tech, the Chinnis are still turd world power onlee. And why do you think NoKo backed off from testing the nuke? That's because the NoKo Maai Baap lost his nerve and called off the test. Don't forget the collective (and I think correct) assumption on this forum that the NoKo tests are proxies for Chinni and Pakis to test new designs.

Also I think this news about Carl whatever mega ship not being anywhere near NoKo was deliberately leaked to rub salt into Eleven's wounds to show aam Chinni junta how easy it is to spoof much vaunted Chinni satellite tech which couldn't even pick up a carrier group.

This is vintage DT, he built his fortune on bluff, aggro and by insulting his opponents and forcing them to make stupid errors.

I'll make a bet and a prediction. The bet is DT will never have get out of the ass of Airforce One the way the diplomatically refined Ombaba had to. The prediction is Eleven is going to have far more hotter party congress to face in a few months time where he is seeking to extend his rule. A lot of nice little Chinese daggers will be out for him thanks to DT.

In many ways the CPC is like the Pakis, they don't respect a nuanced response rather they understand a jhaapad delivered to them very publicly. Consider the NoKo incident as Amir Khan's equivalent to a surgical strike.

PS: DT's comment that he was impressed by Eleven's wife takes the cake. Man oh Man what loss of face! :-)

Added later: DT effect on the big and small Dear Leaders: Satellite images show workers playing volleyball at N. Korean nuclear test site

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 19 Apr 2017 17:25

CNN shows its utter disarray:
This is why it is important to have such a thread recording the misinformation/posings/rants BEFORE any shooting starts.
Let's see how the Sting was rolled out: classic real estate dealing/ Atlantic City poker onlee:

1.
On April 8, US Pacific Command, which oversees military operations in the region, issued a statement saying that the Carl Vinson and an accompanying strike group would leave Singapore and head to the Western Pacific, with a US military official telling CNN that it was a "show of force" in response to North Korea's provocations.

And anyone not as stupid as CNN could look on the map and see that "western Pacific" is, (duh!) beyond the International Date Line, not in the Sea of Japan.

2.
Following the announcement, President Donald Trump and some of his top aides highlighted the deployment as part of the administration's response to Pyongyang's recent missile tests.
"We are sending an armada. Very powerful. We have submarines, very powerful, far more powerful than the aircraft carrier, that I can tell you," Trump said in an interview with Fox Business Network.


Yes, but where did he say: "I am sending an aircraft carrier to Korea/Japan"? :mrgreen: {The submarines may well be off Pyongyang by now, aiming their cruise missiles. }

3.
official Korean Central News Agency calling the carrier's deployment "nothing but a reckless action of aggression to aggravate the tensions in the region."


4.
But soon after the Pacific Command statement, US military officials clarified to CNN that the strike group would first complete a previously scheduled military exercise with the Australian navy.


5.
Further confusion was added {by stupid CNN who can't listen} when Secretary of Defense James Mattis told reporters last week that the exercises had been canceled.


6.
Multiple US defense officials told CNN :rotfl: that Mattis had inadvertently misspoke and that it was a port visit in Australia that was canceled to allow for the group's redeployment to the waters near the Korean Peninsula.


7.
The strike group, including the 97,000-ton carrier and its 60-plus aircraft, the guided-missile destroyers USS Wayne E. Meyer and USS Michael Murphy and the guided-missile cruiser USS Lake Champlain, will arrive off the Korean Peninsula by the end of April, multiple US defense officials told CNN.


8. So if you read through, the US got NoKo (and China) to show their hand as to how they would respond to the carrier group steaming straight for Korea. China begged Russia to help defuse tensions. The Russians presumably knew and were :rotfl: so they just fired off their standard slap comparing NoKo to Syrian misadventure etc. Reports that China rushed 150K troops to the Korean border...

9. The NoKos rushed their missile test ... but too late, there was a sub standing off the coast to send friendly inflationary signals to the missile.
But no nuke test so far because Wee Dong has probably told No Dong that there is no carrier group, so no airstrikes imminent.

10. Seems like a VERY well coordinated military-WHOTUS operation, no lives lost, not a single US missile wasted, US carrier group steaming peacefully towards Australia, its F-18s firmly on deck to keep the pilots from getting hypoxia. CNN. China, NoKo all looking as smart as they are.

NOW I think there may well be a sub-launched cruise missile strike on the nuke facilities, where the frantic activity would have been exposed. Plus further unfortunate accidents to the launch sites. But they don't have enough air cover in place to knock out 99% of NoKo artillery without major damage to Seoul.

A drastic step that will panic NoKo will be a quiet, swift and orderly evacuation of much of Seoul. Send people to the coast for a 2-week vacation, let them work from off-site.
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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Gagan » 19 Apr 2017 21:25

Yes!
The carrier is taking its fine time prancing around the south china sea, while cheeni and roosi sats are trying to keep pace with them.

Meanwhilr there is probably atleast 2-4 subs in the waters both to the south and north off the korean peninsula, awaiting instructions.

China's hand is clearly exposed, as well as its impotence

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Gagan » 19 Apr 2017 21:26

Hmm
Wonder what'll happen to CPEC if wee dong loses power in sept-oct?
This is his mafiosa plan isn't it?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 19 Apr 2017 23:18

THAAD system being readied in SoKo

North Korea has said it sees the United States’ installation of THAAD and its other military manoeuvres in the region as preparation for an attack.
China has voiced strong objections to the arrival of the missile shield, claiming it undermines security in the region. {Wee dong complains that the radar gives pain in the dong}
But South Korea’s government says THAAD is critical to its safety. “Korea has every right to protect itself,” Ahn Chong-ghee, the country’s foreign affairs vice minister, recently told the World Journalist Conference in reference to the THAAD controversy...A recent poll showed a bare majority of the country — 51 per cent of those surveyed — approved of THAAD. In March, residents in Seongju, where the system is being installed, held a protest and blocked roads leading to the proposed site for the launchers.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Apr 2017 06:47

Next step in the escalation ladder. This news is on RT.com, not US MSM. Wonder why.
US Marines have begun to touch down in Darwin, in Australia's tropical north, as the first of some 1,250 “stand ready to fight” against North Korea amid warnings that Pyongyang's nuclear weapons program is a “serious threat” to Canberra.

The deployment will see the largest US aircraft contingent to Australia in peacetime history, Reuters reports, adding that the 25-year annual deployment program was launched by former US President Barack Obama back in 2011 as part of America's ‘pivot’ to Asia. During the six-month deployment, US Marines will conduct exercises with Australian troops and will also visit Chinese forces.

The US Marines’ arrival comes as Australia’s Foreign Minister Julie Bishop voiced mounting concerns over North Korea’s nuclear activities. Pyongyang is striving for nuclear weapons and “has a clear ambition to develop an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of carrying a nuclear payload as far as the US,” Bishop said according to the ABC. “That would mean Australia would be in reach so unless it is prevented from doing so, it will be a serious threat to the peace and stability of our region, and that is unacceptable,” she added.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Apr 2017 07:25

This is a slow, sure buildup.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Austin » 20 Apr 2017 12:56

Russia vetoes UN statement on North Korea's missile tests

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/19/asia/ ... index.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-bloc ... e-support/

Diplomats speaking on condition of anonymity told The Associated Press that Russia objected because a sentence in the draft expressing the council’s commitment “to a peaceful, diplomatic and political solution to the situation” dropped the words “through dialogue” that had been in previous statements.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Atulya P » 20 Apr 2017 15:22

^Darwin is almost as far as Hawaii give or take 1000 kms. Had it been serious, would they not station in Japan or soko?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Apr 2017 17:33

Chinese Nanhanhananha Nutwork is enraged at what the US has done to their H&D

Actually they have a point. North Korea rolled out empty "missiles" on parade.
The US rolled out (via CNN) a non-existent Carrier Group. Gotta admire the symmetry of it The carrier group just went about its business, did not waste a penny. :rotfl:

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Apr 2017 17:35

Atulya P wrote:^Darwin is almost as far as Hawaii give or take 1000 kms. Had it been serious, would they not station in Japan or soko?


The SF ppl are probably a LOT closer, if not inside already. Why attract attention? So the distance shows deadly seriousness, not the lack thereof.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby A_Gupta » 20 Apr 2017 17:53

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/wtf ... arl-vinson
Sean Spicer got asked about the Carl Vinson mystery today. It was … well, it was sad. Spicer basically said ‘Oh, you misunderstood what we meant. Sucks to be you.’ (Actual quotes and more here.) That’s silly. Here’s what happened or rather what I think we can be fairly confident happened based on the totality of evidence and anonymous sources at the Pentagon reported in the press. (TPM’s Matt Shuham is just published a detailed timeline of the events in question here.)

A Carrier Strike Group, an armada of ships lead by an aircraft carrier, the modern capital ship, doesn’t turn around on a dime. I don’t mean that literally. I’m sure the armada of ships can make an immediate shift in direction if necessary. But these are big groups of ships, with thousands of seaman, a schedule of maneuvers, trainings, exercises, ports of call, etc. Changing plans and going somewhere else doesn’t necessarily mean literally turning around immediately and canceling everything that was planned. Making a significant short term scheduling change is a reasonably big deal in itself.

What seems to have happened is that the decision was made to send the carrier group back to waters around the Koreas. They didn’t cancel a planned exercise to the South but scrapped a port of call in Australia to get back to the waters around Korea and Japan more quickly. This was a significant change of plans and would have sent what seems to have been the intended signal – a bit of saber-rattling in the context of the current stand off between North Korea and the United States. My point is that the original Pentagon statements were reasonable descriptions of what was happening.

But then the White House and particularly the President said things that were much more direct and clearly, at best, misleading. What is key is that this does not seem to have been some intentional misdirection or ambiguity. The Korean Peninsula is not a war zone at the moment, thankfully. But there is a stand off and military assets are being used for a tactical-political purpose. Nation states don’t consider themselves bound to strict transparency in such cases, understandably. If we had learned later that the US had said something was happening which was not true to drive anxiety in North Korea, this would not be entirely surprising. But again, that does not seem to be what happened. It seems much more like the White House and the President got sloppy, didn’t know exactly what was happening and through sloppiness and bravado created an impression that simply wasn’t true.

There doesn’t seem to have been any one single misstatement, more a slow process of overstatement that led to erroneous information becoming assumed by everyone. Spicer is now saying it’s the press’s fault they misunderstood. But the publics and press in the region’s seem to have misunderstood too. And it even seems like the governments may have misunderstood. Those are the kinds of misunderstandings which, if not by design, it’s the US government’s responsibility to clarify.

And in fact a key point in the rhetorical escalation seems to have come from Spicer himself. On April 11th, Fox News Kevin Corke had this exchange with Spicer.

Q Putting that strike carrier group in the Sea of Japan, in that region, is that also a messaging circumstance? Or is that simply protective for our allies in Japan and Korea?

MR. SPICER: A carrier group is several things. The forward deployment is deterrence, presence. It’s prudent. But it does a lot of things. It ensures our — we have the strategic capabilities, and it gives the President options in the region.

But I think when you see a carrier group steaming into an area like that, the forward presence of that is clearly, through almost every instance, a huge deterrence. So I think it serves multiple capabilities.


So Corke asked a question with a factual premise and Spicer seemed to affirm that inaccurate factual premise and escalate it. Did Spicer just not know? It seems like he was simply carried along with the misunderstanding. The following day President Trump addressed the issue. But his statement wasn’t really clearly misleading as to timing. It just pumped up the decision to send the group back to the north. Asked by Fox News Channel’s Maria Bartiromo, “What are we doing right now in terms of North Korea?” Trump answered: “We are sending an armada, very powerful.”

Actually, the back and forth is weirder than that. Bartiromo asks him. He says he doesn’t want to talk about it. Then he talks about the Middle East. Then he says he doesn’t want to talk about it. Then he talks about it …
BARTIROMO: You redirected navy ships to go toward the Korean Peninsula.

What we are doing right now in terms of North Korea?

TRUMP: You never know, do you?

You never know.

BARTIROMO: That’s all (INAUDIBLE)…

TRUMP: You know I don’t think about the military.

BARTIROMO: Yes.

TRUMP: I’m not like Obama, where they talk about in four months we’re waiting — we’re going to hit Mosul.

BARTIROMO: Right.

TRUMP: And in the meantime, they get ready and like you’ve never seen — look, they’re still fighting. Mosul was supposed to last for a week and now they’ve been fighting it for many months and so many more people died.

I don’t want to talk about it. We are sending an armada, very powerful. We have submarines, very powerful, far more powerful than the aircraft carrier, that I can tell you.

Looking at every, most of the escalating statements came from the White House or President Trump. But there’s a key exception. On the same day Spicer got into his exchange, April 11th, Secretary of Defense Mattis gave a briefing at the Pentagon at which he said the decision to send the Vinson Carrier Group north wasn’t tied to any particular event.

“As far as the movement of the (Carl) Vinson, she is stationed there in the Western Pacific for a reason, she operated freely, up and down the Pacific, and she is just on her way up there because that is where we thought it was most prudent to have her at this time.”


Out of context, this is perhaps a bit ambiguous. “She is just on her way up there” can be a general reference to movements in the context of the group routinely moving around the Western Pacific. But notably there’s https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcript ... fing-room/.

Q: (Inaudible) unusual for us to know about a ship movement in advance. That was sort of what — what got everyone’s attention. So why was that? I mean, why was it put out in advance? Was it just to signal to North Korea that there would be a show of presence there?

SEC. MATTIS: I believe it’s because she was originally headed in one direction for an exercise, and we canceled our role in that exercise, and that’s what became public. We had to explain why she wasn’t in that exercise. [Sic: The ship’s port visit to Fremantle, Australia, was cancelled; the exercise with the Royal Australian navy is proceeding as planned.]

The paranthetical correction is from the Pentagon. But it’s from yesterday, according to a DOD spokesman – so after the news stories confirming that there had been confusion about the location of the carrier group.

Mattis’s references here make it clear there was at least some level of confusion from Mattis himself. It seems like he may have been unclear in his own mind whether or how much of the exercises were curtailed or canceled altogether. At a minimum, his comments were misleading. But again, they were mainly misleading in the context of inflated comments from the White House and the President.

At this point, what seems to have happened is that people at the planning and operational level started realizing that what was being discussed in the news (and maybe even privately with US allies) in the US and the region wasn’t really true. But they seem to have refrained from clarifying or contradicting these erroneous reports thinking that these public declarations were political decisions that weren’t which it wasn’t their place to contradict. So they didn’t.

Here’s a key passage from the story in Defense News that first reported that carrier group’s real whereabouts.

U.S. Navy officials in Pearl Harbor and Washington declined to comment on the ship’s movements, other than to confirm the April 15 movement through the Sunda Strait. Off the record, several officials expressed wonderment at the persistent reports that the Vinson was already nearing Korea. “We’ve made no such statement,” said one official.

Not contradicting what the White House was saying might make sense if it seemed like the White House was being deliberately misleading. It seems more like they were confused. At a minimum it seems clear that people at the operational level were quite aware that people on both sides of the Pacific were assuming something was true that was not true. At the end of the day, this looks like the product of confusion and miscommunication within the administration. That’s a problem. It didn’t have any cataclysmic effect in this case. But in a high stakes stand off mixed with gunboat diplomacy, it could have.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby komal » 20 Apr 2017 18:50

UlanBatori wrote:
Atulya P wrote:^Darwin is almost as far as Hawaii give or take 1000 kms. Had it been serious, would they not station in Japan or soko?


The SF ppl are probably a LOT closer, if not inside already. Why attract attention? So the distance shows deadly seriousness, not the lack thereof.


The genius of DT is self-evident to his acolytes. Why attract attention by announcing the re-deployment of an aircraft carrier task force.

This is the President who showed his manhood by exempting TSP from the no-fly list and increasing US taxpayer funds to them.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Apr 2017 19:34

It's interesting to see CNN etc giving advice on how to fight and WIN wars. :rotfl:
Rumsfeld said it clearly at the last press conference before the bombing really started in Afghanistan 2001:

We are at war, and starting our attack. The purpose of the attack is to KILL THE ENEMY and destroy their installations. This is the last time I will tell the truth about anything related to the conduct of the war.

These Experts :(( about the Administration giving "confusing statements" is utterly hilarious. And this on the Bharat Rakshak Forum ... :roll:
More suited to the Bharat Shishu / Bal Vihar Forum.
O Children! You must always tell the truth to the enemy who is trying to kill you. ALWAYS be clear in revealing the locations of your cavalry and chariots. ALWAYS fight FAIRLY, putting down your weapons as soon as the sun goes down or there is an eclipse because your enemy cannot see you shooting at them otherwise, and they cannot aim properly at you otherwise, and that is sooooo UNFAIR!!! :((


My congratulations to CNN and its fans on being shown up as idiots along with the Chinese and the North Koreans.

At the end of the day, this looks like the product of confusion and miscommunication within the administration. That’s a problem. It didn’t have any cataclysmic effect in this case. But in a high stakes stand off mixed with gunboat diplomacy, it could have.
:rotfl: Gives new meaning to the term "Pompous Democrat".
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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby komal » 20 Apr 2017 19:38

CNN has been giving advice of fighting wars since 1990.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Austin » 20 Apr 2017 19:41

The US is unable to prevent crumbling NorthKorea from inflicting unacceptable damage on South Korea and Japan

http://valdaiclub.com/a/highlights/turn ... peninsula/

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Apr 2017 21:07

This is where one should be extremely afraid: If Trump is as the :(( say he is, he has everything to gain from NoKo expending its artillery threat ASAP. Sooo much new bijnej for Trump Real Estate, Cheney's Halliburton Reconstructions, but first for Waste Management Inc. Hyundai-Daewoo-Kia all kaput. People in US forced to buy Dodge. :eek: One HUGE leap for auto-repair scam shops. Back to the old scheme of One New Car Per Person Every Two Years.
Newport News and other shipyards back at 150% production.
And if the war "reconstructs" Taiwan and Japan & Phillippines ... YIPPEEEEE!!!!!

Now u know the answer to "Why Australia". A few Korean nukes on Sydney/Darwin/Canberra would be all win-win for US.

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Postby A_Gupta » 20 Apr 2017 21:25

South Korean take on the missing armada:
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/htm ... 01016.html

The Trump administration put out reports that it changed course toward Korea after departing from Singapore on April 8. But in fact it sailed south and then joined an exercise with Australia in the Indian Ocean.

"It's true that the Vinson had been heading for the Korean Peninsula until April 12," a military spokesman here claimed. "Afterwards, it changed course for unknown reasons, and that created confusion because the U.S. didn't say anything about it."

The strike group had reached Singapore on April 4 after taking part in joint drills with the South Korean Navy in the East Sea on March 19-25. It was supposed to refuel and continue south to Australia.

But on April 9, U.S. Pacific Command said that Adm. Harry Harris, the PACOM commander, had ordered the strike group to sail north and operate in the Western Pacific. It said the change of course was aimed at responding directly to a "primary threat" from North Korea.

On April 11, U.S. President Donald Trump said he was sending a formidable "armada" to the North. But by then the Vinson was already in the Indian Ocean some 5,500 km away from the Korean Peninsula.

On Monday Pacific Command published photos of the Vinson with captions saying it was passing the Sunda Strait between Sumatra and Java and the Indian Ocean last Saturday.

And the U.S. Defense Department on Tuesday said the Vinson is now in waters off the northwest coast of Australia and expected to sail north towards the east coast of the Korean Peninsula within 24 hours.

Rear Adm. James Kilby, the armada's commander, wrote on Facebook, "Our deployment has been extended 30 days to provide a persistent presence in the waters off the Korean Peninsula."

It is expected to arrive in waters off the Korean Peninsula around April 25, the 85th anniversary of the North Korean Army, which could be another occasion for a provocation.

"The Joint Chiefs of Staff and the South Korea-U.S. Combined Forces Command had been on standby from early morning April 7, after we received intelligence reports around April 6 that the North would carry out a massive provocation," the military spokesman added. "It seems that the Vinson was heading north to prepare for all situations at the time but turned back after the state of emergency ended."


But there is speculation that the Trump administration deliberately wanted to confuse Pyongyang and Beijing. An expert at the Center for Korean Studies at Fudan University in China said, "It was sophisticated propaganda or a bluff."

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby A_Gupta » 20 Apr 2017 21:38

Another article from the South Koreans:
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/htm ... 00871.html
Trump Claims Korea 'Was Part of China'
A Foreign Ministry official here said, "We don't even need to comment about the claim," but added, "It is a fact recognized by the international community that Korea was not a part of China during the thousands of years of historical relations between the two."

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Austin » 20 Apr 2017 23:11

N. Korea threatens to ‘reduce US to ashes’ with ‘super-mighty pre-emptive strike’

https://www.rt.com/news/385418-north-ko ... ve-strike/

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby ramana » 21 Apr 2017 00:09

UlanBatori wrote:This is a slow, sure buildup.



These are tripwire forces to assure Australia that US troops will be in the impact zone. This is to deter China and NoKo.

Standard practice in Europe during heyday of Cold War.


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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby komal » 21 Apr 2017 00:19

ramana wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:This is a slow, sure buildup.



These are tripwire forces to assure Australia that US troops will be in the impact zone. This is to deter China and NoKo.

Standard practice in Europe during heyday of Cold War.


Why would the US want to put its forces in an 'impact zone' to reassure Australia?

Aren't US troops already in the impact zone?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 21 Apr 2017 00:46

Yeow! UNSC gives US carte blanche

In a unanimous statement, the council demanded that North Korea "conduct no further nuclear tests" and said Pyongyang's "illegal missile activities" were "greatly increasing tension in the region and beyond."


That means, missile test or nuke test, US is going to strike. And Russia and China both voted for it.

Meanwhile, that came from this article, saying Putin is moving bottles of vodka to the border. I haven't understood the point of moving "heavy equipment": that is not to control a refugee flood - or are they going to shell refugee columns?

Residents and local media in Russia’s Far East reported large military convoys travelling in the direction of the North Korean border since the weekend, in what appear to be contingency plans to contain fallout from a possible military clash between the United States and North Korea.
A video published by local news site DVHab.ru showed a train carrying twelve tracked vehicles, including Tor surface to air missile systems, travelling through Khabarovsk in the direction of Vladivostok.
“Some say the situation around North Korea is a fiction, but this is the third train of equipment we’ve seen since this morning,” a man can be heard saying in the film. “Looks like something is being sent to the Korean border.”


Note that Comrade Putin knows exactly where the US "armada" is, plus, he can read the emails of everyone in the Congressional Intelligence Committee. THAT makes it a scary development. Are some of the missiles / nuke test sites in the far north near Russia?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 21 Apr 2017 00:57

Meanwhile, Wee Dong the 11th shows PeeAllSee's rage at losing H&D:
China's influential Global Times newspaper, which is published by the People's Daily, the Communist Party's official paper, wondered whether the misdirection was deliberate."The truth seems to be that the US military and president jointly created fake news and it is without doubt a rare scandal in US history, which will be bound to cripple Trump's and US dignity," it said.
:rotfl:

The H&D word again. And this:

RARE scandal in US history. :rotfl:
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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby ramana » 21 Apr 2017 01:43

komal wrote:
ramana wrote:

These are tripwire forces to assure Australia that US troops will be in the impact zone. This is to deter China and NoKo.

Standard practice in Europe during heyday of Cold War.


Why would the US want to put its forces in an 'impact zone' to reassure Australia?

Aren't US troops already in the impact zone?


''Allies don't believe US will go to war unless their troops are there in the zone.

Hence all those troops in Western Europe.
Now in Australia. As it is being targeted by NoKo.

Umbrella comes with US troops.
Reassurance to Australia.

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Postby ramana » 21 Apr 2017 01:44

UB, You do know that Nevil Shute was an aeronautics engineer!

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby komal » 21 Apr 2017 02:03

ramana wrote:
komal wrote:
Why would the US want to put its forces in an 'impact zone' to reassure Australia?

Aren't US troops already in the impact zone?


''Allies don't believe US will go to war unless their troops are there in the zone.

Hence all those troops in Western Europe.
Now in Australia. As it is being targeted by NoKo.

Umbrella comes with US troops.
Reassurance to Australia.


1) US has had over 80,000 troops in Korea and Japan for the past 65 years.

2) Why should the USA reassure Australia? I thought DT was "America First".

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby ramana » 21 Apr 2017 02:18

Please read Julie Bishop statement before asking further questions.

I see you are still Hillrallying.

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Postby UlanBatori » 21 Apr 2017 02:41

ramana wrote:UB, You do know that Nevil Shute was an aeronautics engineer!


Used to be an avid fan. Read all his books, even owned one back in desh with hard-won SSLC prize money! That's why I knew to look for that. Tooooo stupid to realize that if there was any money to be made as Aero.... injineer he wouldn't have resorted to writing trashy books for idiots to buy with hard-earned prize money. :((

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 21 Apr 2017 02:50

I wonder if Comrade Putin's trains carrying SA mijjiles are going to stop at the border or going straight through to Pyongyang and the southern coast. Are they anti-SLCM I wonder.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby ramana » 21 Apr 2017 02:55

I too read. And his bio.

Something for you to think about:

NoKo latest launch video.

https://twitter.com/MaheshBhatt2016/sta ... 4004560896

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby ramana » 21 Apr 2017 03:17

I think:

NoKo missile starts wavering in flight path very early even before clearing the launch towers. It either lost control of one actuators which drove the nozzle hard over into a loop or bad flight control package shorted for what ever reasons. Then it starts self destruct from the front end. This is called drive back and is nightmare scenario. I have seen khan launches that did same.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Gagan » 21 Apr 2017 03:17

Ramana ji
That is a russian Proton rocket crash from 2013

https://youtu.be/ZWv4ZZArP-g


https://youtu.be/vqW0LEcTAYg
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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 21 Apr 2017 03:19

Ben Powley‏ @Ben__Powley Apr 19
Replying to @MaheshBhatt2016
This is a Russian Proton Rocket that crashed in 2013.


That's no mijjile, it's a student rocket test. Way too slow for missile unless the video is greatly slowed down. First impressions:
1. Lifted.
2. Started small thrust deviation to clear the launch pad, then compensated. A smoke plume came off one side - what causes that except flow separation in the nozzle? Never seen such a thing.
3. Thrust vector/ plume starts oscillating side to side or coning.
4. Solids seem to have shut down, leaving only a liquid rocket plume (too clean and non-glowing to be solid exhaust). I can't figure out how a large rocket can go up without solid boosters unless it is a toy/mockup in a low-altitude test - which is probably what it is. Seems an expensive way to test a liquid rocket engine, though. How can all 4 boosters shut down so quickly? No caps seen blowing off.
5. Although main engine plume LOOKS supersonic from far off (vaguely imagine shock diamonds in the exhaust) it looks way too weak (the plume turns like in a cross wind which means it's very slow)
6. Thrust vector keeps tilting all the way in Gravity Turn (very low thrust) until rocket pointing downwards.
7. Nose cap blown out _deliberate no doubt. Which is strange. Why does a liquid rocket need its nose cap blown off?
8. Fire spreads throughout as rocket reaches ground. The red cloud looks like how I imagine an RFNA (Red Fuming Nitric Acid) leak will look. Everything blows up.

Probably a university/ undergrad test or a Bollywood Special Effects concoction of a hybrid engined rocket with no payload. Anyway, not a NoKo test. Video quality is way too good and if it shows up web after test today, it is obviously bogus.
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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Gagan » 21 Apr 2017 03:20

Roosi Priotonski Rocketski explosionski

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Gagan » 21 Apr 2017 03:27

Roosi Proton M heavy rocket
4 m dia
1st stage uses 6 RD-275M engines which burn N2O4/UDMH


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