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Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby hnair » 26 Apr 2017 16:05

There will be no barrage. These tubes will all be neutralized in the first list of targets, even before they remove the barrel caps, because khan is the one who always attacks first in an escalated situation. And such a target rich environment is kind of what khan loves to dish out via CNN

We had seen this "khan will have a tough time" wish from RoW people since first gulfaar. The problem is khan's military planners has shown great flexibility in thinking and planning each war they get into, in fine detail. Enemy with large infrastructure to bomb or mud-hutting taliban types, they have done a careful planning job. Will give them that much credit. It is a different matter that their own SD will screw up whatever gains they made in battlefield.

But like everything else, some smart alec jernail can put a spanner in khan's works. Let us see if such is the case with NoKo. I doubt, since Kimmys excel even Stalin, in purging original thinkers

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby kapilrdave » 26 Apr 2017 18:27

A_Gupta wrote:
And China is building up a second client state in Pakistan.

Problem with propping bakis as 'client' is that there is big bad yindiya who is presumably eager to bomb them to stone age if they fault beyond a point. In case of NoKo there seems to be no one with a pair of jewels to do it. So it's easy for both NoKo and cheen. Bakis are welcome to be like NoKo and find out.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 26 Apr 2017 18:42

My guess/fear/hope is that The Plan is to provoke a nuke test/missile test that crosses the red line - followed by a direct NoKo-Mouth threat to reduce Seoul to a Sea Of Flames as has happened b4.

4 Tactical nukes, IMO, will neutralize the DMZ artillery threat without causing much damage to SoKo troops who will be alerted and don radiation suits and stay underground. Some ZeeTweet/SpicerCr*p like

He Hu Plays With Matches Gets Butt&Dong Burned.


Followed immediately by 2 tactical nukes on the nuke testing / development places, with the fallout blamed on what was inside, not what came from outside. (Surely DT must have learned something from Comrade Putin's claim of WMD coming OUT of a bomb target, not from the barrel bomb itself?)

Neither of these actions will trigger any PRC military response.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 26 Apr 2017 18:49

Singha wrote:That was for yesterdays firing drill. They would disperse thereafter.


Some barrels are pointed backwards. Reminds me of my late classmate Soapy S. marching with left arm and left foot out at the same time, causing everyone in section to have to march several times more.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Lalmohan » 26 Apr 2017 19:02

the serbians managed to survive unkil bombing pretty unscathed - and no one wanted to commit serious ground troops beyond peace keepers... open deserts and centrally controlled 'soviet style' tank armies are great for network centric warfare

densely forested mountains less so...

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Rudradev » 26 Apr 2017 21:02

Economic dimension to the conflict.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/arti ... o-missiles

Chinese Consumers Reject Hyundai, Chose Other Car Makers
These are lean times for Hyundai dealers in China.

On a recent weekday afternoon in Shanghai, shoppers thronged Honda and Chevrolet showrooms at a strip of city dealerships. Hyundai’s, however, was a ghost town. A half-dozen salespeople stood around with nothing much to do. Not a single customer had set foot in the store the previous weekend, and half the employees this year have already quit, according to a manager who declined to give his name citing company policy.

Chinese consumers turning away from Hyundai Motor Co.’s offerings in its largest market are the latest result of the problems facing South Korea’s largest automaker: a sedan-heavy lineup in an SUV market, poor brand perception and a nationalist backlash against its country’s decision to host the U.S. missile-defense system known as Thaad.

...


The Chingadyas have apparently decided to boycott SoKo goods en masse. This puts pressure on the Seoul govt by making Hyundai and Kia (highly influential Chaebol, or industrial conglomerates) feel pain of decreased demand.

The PRC govt mouthpieces are claiming (specifically for the ears of US media) that this boycott was prompted by common Chingadyas' outrage over US deployment of THAAD in SoKo.

I think this is a typical Chingadya lie. Common people in Chingadya-land are not going to retaliate against SoKo industries because the US put up a missile defense system in SoKo to defend against incoming NoKo missiles.

The Chingadyas being small people (physically, intellectually, spiritually) have to concoct tall stories to feel better about themselves, and that is exactly what they have done here.

The truth is that PRC government has used underhanded means to restrict the sales of Hyundai and Kia products in Chingadya-land. The PRC government has done this to protect its munna, NoKo; Beijing is economically pressuring SoKo so that Seoul in turn will cajole the US to go easy on NoKo.

At the same time, watch for more Chingadya-sponsored fake news in the Western media about how the SoKo people don't like Trump's heavy-handed approach to their NoKo biraders, how they actually want a peaceful resolution (meaning, NoKo continues to be PRC's rabid pet dog forever), and how the Trump administration should show sensitivity to the wishes of its ally, SoKo, in this regard.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby sanjaykumar » 26 Apr 2017 21:05

They just set a precedent.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Rudradev » 26 Apr 2017 21:16

The lesson of Chingadyas pressuring South Korea via boycott of South Korean exports is a good one for India to absorb.

We should strongly limit our trade with the Chingadyas and never allow our economy to acquire a major dependence on exports to PRC. We should NEVER accept any involvement in their One Belt, No Pant, One Road project. We should in fact strive to block any and all nations in our sphere of influence from integrating into that project.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 26 Apr 2017 23:32

1. WHOTUS is hosting entire Senate for briefing on NoKo.
2. US Ready 2 bring KJU 2 his senses
Words aimed directly to trigger the trigger threat. Wonder if I should sell Japanese stocks today or risk waiting for tomorrow.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 26 Apr 2017 23:43

Answered my own question.
Japan threatens NoKo
The war of words came a day after US intelligence chiefs said North Korea probably had missiles capable of attacking America's west coast as well as one or two nuclear missiles.
Mr Ishiba said: "Our nation will use military force as a self-defence measure if North Korea starts to resort to arms against Japan."

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby ArjunPandit » 26 Apr 2017 23:47

All this is house warming party. The real party will certainly happen, probably by end of the year.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby ArjunPandit » 26 Apr 2017 23:48

how abt short selling? or stocking samsung S8

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 26 Apr 2017 23:51

Why, because fuel supplies will be short? :)

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Suraj » 27 Apr 2017 00:00

Rudradev wrote:On a recent weekday afternoon in Shanghai, shoppers thronged Honda and Chevrolet showrooms at a strip of city dealerships. Hyundai’s, however, was a ghost town.

This whole thing is absurd. One day CPC passes diktat 'YooEss is evil!!' and everyone boycotts the Chevy dealership and goes to Hondayota / Hyunkia .
Next day CPC announces 'Japanese are evil devils!!' and the masses throng Chevy + Hyunkia .
Day three it's the turn of Seoul to be bashed, and they all run to Chevy + Hondayota.

I wonder if they have listings in the newspaper or get a citizen-wide WeChat blast announcing the list of permitted and non permitted brands on any given day ?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 27 Apr 2017 01:26

Great way of explaining economic downturn. This is why Commie systems are so superior to Paper Tigers of Capitalist Imperialism.
People's Righteous Anger Hurts Sales of Imperialist Mercedes-Benz
sounds better than
Luxury Car Sales Down As Government's Economic Policy Stumbles And Starvation Soars

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Rudradev » 27 Apr 2017 01:35

Suraj wrote:This whole thing is absurd. One day CPC passes diktat 'YooEss is evil!!' and everyone boycotts the Chevy dealership and goes to Hondayota / Hyunkia .
Next day CPC announces 'Japanese are evil devils!!' and the masses throng Chevy + Hyunkia .
Day three it's the turn of Seoul to be bashed, and they all run to Chevy + Hondayota.

I wonder if they have listings in the newspaper or get a citizen-wide WeChat blast announcing the list of permitted and non permitted brands on any given day ?


This is the REAL secret of the Chingadyas' success. Chingadya Communist Party has access to the cheapest, most mindless and most easily led rent-a-crowds anywhere in the world.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby chola » 27 Apr 2017 01:56

Rudradev wrote:
Suraj wrote:This whole thing is absurd. One day CPC passes diktat 'YooEss is evil!!' and everyone boycotts the Chevy dealership and goes to Hondayota / Hyunkia .
Next day CPC announces 'Japanese are evil devils!!' and the masses throng Chevy + Hyunkia .
Day three it's the turn of Seoul to be bashed, and they all run to Chevy + Hondayota.

I wonder if they have listings in the newspaper or get a citizen-wide WeChat blast announcing the list of permitted and non permitted brands on any given day ?


This is the REAL secret of the Chingadyas' success. Chingadya Communist Party has access to the cheapest, most mindless and most easily led rent-a-crowds anywhere in the world.


Yup, KFC, McDonald's and the rest got hit after Wrong Way got run over by a slow US signal turboprop. Same with Toyota and the Japanese a few years back over dome islands.

The problem with Cheen is the lizard crowd accept phoren products and fashion, especially from fellow chinkie-types like Koreans, with great aplomb which gives them leverage. Something like 45% of the SoKo exports go to Cheen including most of its movies and sexy girlbands.

If they didn't buy so much, a boycott would make as much noise as an one-armed man clapping.

SoKo, Japan, Singapore and Taiwan all have this particular "problem" which is a huge trade surplus with the lizard and its generally phoren worshipping population until the CCP decides you are chit to them.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 27 Apr 2017 06:26

Hallelujah! I am out of Japan at the highest price in the past 20 years. Will probably shoot up higher, but hey, right now the downside risk is HUGE compared to the upside potential. BTW, I didn't realize until todin that Okinawa is only 125miles from Taiwan. May be the only part of Japan left standing in a couple of days.

Rare WHOTUS briefing for Senators on NoKo nuko threat
"The United States seeks stability and the peaceful denuclearization of the Korean peninsula. We remain open to negotiations towards that goal. However, we remain prepared to defend ourselves and our allies," Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, and Director of Intelligence Dan Coats said in a joint statement after the briefing


Briefing was Top Secret, so it should be out on Wikileaks, RT.com and CNN in a couple of days. Main briefer was the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff.
included a brief appearance from President Trump who made short, introductory remarks. [/quoteM
Sen. Chris Coons (D., Del.) called the session "very clear-eyed, sober and serious."
Coons told MSNBC the administration is working to avoid a conflict and "making it clear to China how serious we are about preventing North Korea from developing the capability to deliver a nuclear warhead by ICBM against the United States or one of our key allies, and that there are real efforts being made to avoid a misunderstanding or miscalculation because I do think this is a very dangerous circumstance and situation."

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 27 Apr 2017 06:53

And now for the whining:
Trump's other public comments don't help either. He often takes to Twitter to disparage or scold Pyongyang and recently told a room full of conservative journalists he isn't sure Kim is "so strong like he says he is."
Tong Zhao, a fellow at the Carnegie Tsinghua Center for Global Policy in Beijing, said the comment could further provoke North Korea.
"Being called weak will only encourage them to appear more strong," he said.
The worry also is that the opaque strategy being pursued by Trump could be fueling some of the hostility from his North Korean counterpart.
"We really don't know because we really don't know what Trump is prepared to do," said Bennett.

And here we were cruelly abusing Patriots such as Dur ka Butt. The USA has these sorts in huge numbers.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby sum » 27 Apr 2017 07:37

Rudradev wrote:
Suraj wrote:This whole thing is absurd. One day CPC passes diktat 'YooEss is evil!!' and everyone boycotts the Chevy dealership and goes to Hondayota / Hyunkia .
Next day CPC announces 'Japanese are evil devils!!' and the masses throng Chevy + Hyunkia .
Day three it's the turn of Seoul to be bashed, and they all run to Chevy + Hondayota.

I wonder if they have listings in the newspaper or get a citizen-wide WeChat blast announcing the list of permitted and non permitted brands on any given day ?


This is the REAL secret of the Chingadyas' success. Chingadya Communist Party has access to the cheapest, most mindless and most easily led rent-a-crowds anywhere in the world.

SoKo is really feeling the heat with the usual peak tourist season now being deserted with literally no $$ spending Chinese setting foot in SoKo from last 1 month.

Also, the amount of security Amrika/SoKo had to put out just to transport the THAAD from the Osan AFB to its final site amidst hordes of preotesting people shows the influence China seems to have even within SoKo to whip up passions and protests

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 27 Apr 2017 08:08

Curious that they are using THAAD in SoKO. A mijjile coming from NoKo has travel - what? 100 miles max? 200 miles? That trajectory is not a hypersonic re-entry etc. More like a SCUD trajectory, hain? Isn't the Patriot / Iron Dome type system the more appropriate defense? Why THAAD then? Or are they expecting SoKo having CHINESE ballistic missiles coming from sites in Tibet, Xinjiang and Gobi?

P.S. I know nothing about the Iron Dome, but I gather that it is a Patriot type thing, not THAAD.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby sum » 27 Apr 2017 08:11

^^ Maybe just reversing the narrative and using Chinese puppetry of N.Korea as a excuse to get the THAAD in to closely monitor the puppet master himself.

This wouldnt have been possible if there was no billigerent NoKo. So, looks like the Chinese got reverse punked when they tried to play their usual puppet-master role to needle SoKo/Japan etc and ended with a THAAD bamboo looking up their a***

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 27 Apr 2017 08:27

I hadn't thought of that. This means SoKo can look forward to a long and happy tenure as the Ground Zerrow for several dozen Megatons, as they will be hosting bases for B-2s. F-35s and hypersonic cruise missile launchers, all aimed across the Yalu and deep into the most populated industrial/military heart of PeeAllSee. That's the reason why THAAD would be needed. NoKo in its dying throes has nothing to gain by sending ballistic nukes into SoKo, they will try their best to die hitting their mortal enemies Japan and the Great Roundeyed Satan.

Now I see why PeeAllSee Mao pajamas are in a knot about the THAAD installation, it's about what will follow in the Area Defended by the THAAD. Add F-22s, B-1s and B-52s.

Dang! Sold Japanese stocks too early. War is not coming until the buildup is complete in SoKo. Unless China/NoKo pulls the trigger pre-emptively.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Pratyush » 27 Apr 2017 09:14

kmkraoind wrote:Sam Kim @samkimasia
North Korea's answer to US aircraft carrier: Lots and lots of artillery neatly assembled on a beach bloomberg.com/politics/artic…
Image


A lot of the guns in the at the top end of the photo appear to be on fire. Is that an optical illusion.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby sum » 27 Apr 2017 09:39

^^ maybe they are red NoKo flags?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Kashi » 27 Apr 2017 09:47

sum wrote:^^ maybe they are red NoKo flags?


They are KPA (Korean People's army) flags.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Vayutuvan » 27 Apr 2017 09:57

Austin wrote:Looking at the Nuclear Test Conducted by North , Total 5 of them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... orth_Korea

They have tested yeald ranging from Sub Kiloton 0.2 to 30 kt , This is good enough of range and test they have to build Nuclear Weapon for Sub Tactical to Strategic Needs... Numbers ....

Saab, 30kt is not all that strategic. Also your point about number of 30kt matter too, in fact it is of paramount importance. One or four 30kt will not bring Seoul to its knees leave alone the entire s. Korea.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Vayutuvan » 27 Apr 2017 10:14

Who are cheen friends in that part of the globe? Aussies are iffy. Everybody else hates cheeni guts.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 27 Apr 2017 16:43

Come on, guys. One 30kt would cause such devastation in a city such as Seoul..... Sure there will be some ppl still walking/running around with guns but the death and wounded toll will be unthinkable. Put in 4 , spread out and its all over. Same way, 4 tactical nukes around the artillery emplacements will I think finish off NoKo's artillery capability in short order. If they don't cease fire immediately, 4 more.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 27 Apr 2017 16:48

Meanwhile the bijnej plan behind all this tamasha is slowly showing a few glimpses
"I believe that our ballistic missile architecture is sufficient to protect Hawaii today, but it can be overwhelmed," Harris said. "Somewhere, we would have to make a decision about which missiles to take out and that's a hard decision." {Nah! Maui is behind on their payments: let that one go through!... oh! THAT seems headed for T. Gabbard's hometown, don't touch it!}
"I have suggested that we consider putting interceptors in Hawaii that defend Hawaii directly," he said. "We need more interceptors."
More defensive radars would also be necessary for the state, Harris said.

If Hawaii has one, can Guam do without one? Samoa? Tahiti? Okinawa? TOKYO? Osaka? Taipei? Manila? Maybe sell a few to Beijing as well. London? Oslo? R U Safe from NoKo mijjiles?
Hi, who makes/ sells the THAAD besides Lockheed pls? Need to look into some stock purchases.
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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Austin » 27 Apr 2017 20:39

Vayutuvan wrote:
Austin wrote:Looking at the Nuclear Test Conducted by North , Total 5 of them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... orth_Korea

They have tested yeald ranging from Sub Kiloton 0.2 to 30 kt , This is good enough of range and test they have to build Nuclear Weapon for Sub Tactical to Strategic Needs... Numbers ....

Saab, 30kt is not all that strategic. Also your point about number of 30kt matter too, in fact it is of paramount importance. One or four 30kt will not bring Seoul to its knees leave alone the entire s. Korea.


Oh 30 kt or 20 kt or 10 kt it can do a lot of destruction.

The question is not high the yeald is but much fissile material NoKo has to make how many bomb .....Number is more important now , if they have enough fissile material to make 50-60 weapons then there would be something to chew , If they can just make 10-12 bum then these countries can absorb it.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 27 Apr 2017 21:05

Noko will be able to let off max 1 or 2, of any kind, though that is enough to cause many 1M dead, 30M badly hurt.
Launch: 50% attrition; 50% shot down. Midcourse: maybe 20% shot down. Terminal: 60% shot down. Failure to actually fission: 40%.
0.50 x 0.5 x 0.2 x 0.6 x 0.4 = 0.012. So only 1 out 100 will actually explode on target. But of course it may be the first and only one launched because of surprise, so no one except certain insane types are willing to take the chance if they can avoid it.
Speaking of insane, there IS another calculus.
Historically, when things to get such a pass, the Object d'Amour, in this case Kim K Doh, has only 3 choices:
1. Forget H&D, become a Frontlyin Al_Lie, take Early Medical Retirement to Gobi ReEducation Center.
2. Sit around until Yoo Ess is good and ready and get completely and totally destroyed.
3. Hit while Yoo Ess is still unprepared and cause enough damage to achieve a Ceasefire/Biss Agreement forced by Gentle Uncle Eleven with generous help and :(( from SeeEnnEnn and donkeys. At least there is a 0.5% chance of surviving that way.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Lalmohan » 27 Apr 2017 22:14

so... what happens when Seoul is rubble and Osaka/Tokyo are lit up like its B29 time in 1945?

who'se economy is going to take the worst hit?

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Postby UlanBatori » 28 Apr 2017 04:42

Admiral Harris to the COTUS getting drunk at the WHOTUS

“The crisis on the Korean peninsula is real—the worst I’ve seen,” said Commander of U.S. Pacific Command Adm. Harry B. Harris Jr. “There is some doubt within the intelligence community whether Kim Jong Un has that capability today or whether he will soon, but I have to assume he has it, the capability is real, and that he’s moving towards it.”
Harris spoke to the Senate Armed Services Committee a day after all 100 U.S. senators were invited to White House grounds for a North Korea briefing.
Harris declined to compare the current situation to that of the Cuban Missile Crisis decades ago, but said he has “no doubt” the country intends to develop nuclear missiles that could be aimed toward South Korea and the U.S.
Harris said he believes "America's future is linked" to the Pacific, even noting a possible migration of Islamic State militants back to the region as U.S. forces push to regain former ISIS territory in the Middle East.
But Harris said that North Korea remains "the most immediate threat" to U.S. security, as they "vigorously" pursue strikes and launches intended to target Australia, South Korea, and the U.S.

"Kim Jong Un is making progress and all nations need to take this seriously because their missiles point in all directions," Harris said. "If left unchecked, they will match the capability of his hostile rhetoric."

{4 1s I agree. :eek: Today only SoKo is hamstrung by the threat of NoKo artillery. Tomorrow the artillery threat will be replaced by hair-trigger mijjiles. I think this has to be uprooted while there is still time. It's a Chinese proxy, think about the implications to India}

Harris underscored the importance of what he referred to as a “shift” in Kim Jong Un’s rhetoric, after threatening nations like Australia and the U.S. by name this week.

“His rhetoric is going in one direction and his capabilities are approaching the lines of his rhetoric,” Harris said. “Where those lines cross, I believe we are at an inflection point and we wake up to a new world.”

Despite the gravity of the threat North Korea continues to pose, Harris voiced confidence in U.S. defense plans, and said President Trump and Defense Secretary Mattis have made it clear that "all options are on the table."

"We want to bring Kim Jong Un to his senses -- not to his knees," Harris said. "I have the forces in place to fight tonight if necessary.”

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 28 Apr 2017 05:52

I wonder if this would be a good time to start a discussion:

WHAT IS NORTH KOREA'S COMPLAINT?

Everyone goes :shock: at their "threats" but why are they angry? serious posts only please. With the experience of watching reality vs. MSM fake news on Syria and Iraq, perhaps we should learn to think independently a bit, hain?

I will contribute one fact:
US has never ended the state of war against North Korea.
Accordingly, there are myriad "sanctions" and other hostile acts in place against North Korea, strangling them.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Singha » 28 Apr 2017 06:26

Some of the guns have deployed red flags ...

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Philip » 28 Apr 2017 12:08

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One clairvoyant has said that May 13th (unlucky for some indeed!) is when the Donald will unleash WW3. Time to take precautionary measures-stock upon essential supplies,anti-radiation pills,toilet paper,etc,etc. :mrgreen:

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With a cast of millions,a cost of trillions,with special effects never before seen on screen ,
WW3-Part 1 North Korea.


Produced,directed and starring The Donald himself in a Gen. Doug McArthur redux of the last Korean War,arch-villain Kim Jong Un as a flashback to Kim Il Sung,with a cameo appearance by Chinese strongman 'Xi Gins",and a supporting cast that includes Shinzo Abe-san from Japan,and acting as acting-Pres of SoKo,one Hwang Kyo-ahn.Gen.Mad Dog Mattis stars as the psycho US Def Min. hell bent upon destroying NoKo and then China! Watch him bark...but can he bite?!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... orth-korea
Donald Trump warns of 'major, major conflict' with North Korea
US president says he wants to seek a diplomatic solution to Korean crisis and reveals China is helping to pressure Kim Jong-un
US President Trump speaks during an interview in the Oval Office at the White House in Washington.

Julian Borger in Washington and Benjamin Haas in Hong Kong
Friday 28 April 2017
Donald Trump has said that a “major conflict” was possible with North Korea though he would prefer to solve the standoff over the country’s nuclear and missile programme through diplomacy.

Trump’s warning on Thursday came towards the end of a week where the administration has made a concerted effort to restrain Pyongyang from carrying out major new weapons tests.

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At the same time, US officials sought to clarify US policy after a variety of mixed signals in the administration’s first 100 days.

Rex Tillerson, the secretary of state, said that the US would be prepared to enter into direct talks with the regime of Kim Jong-un, but that it would have to prepare to negotiate getting rid of all its nuclear weapons.

The opening to diplomacy came as the head of the US Pacific Command, Admiral Harry Harris told the Senate that the standoff with North Korea was the worst he had seen. It was an assessment echoed by the president.

“There is a chance that we could end up having a major, major conflict with North Korea. Absolutely,” Trump told Reuters.
“We’d love to solve things diplomatically but it’s very difficult,” the president added.


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Trump suggested there had been a breakthrough in Chinese readiness to help apply pressure on Kim since Xi Jinping visited the US president in Florida earlier this month.

“I believe he [the Chinese president] is trying very hard. He certainly doesn’t want to see turmoil and death. He doesn’t want to see it. He is a good man. He is a very good man and I got to know him very well,” Trump said.

“With that being said, he loves China and he loves the people of China. I know he would like to be able to do something, perhaps it’s possible that he can’t.”

Tillerson had earlier said the Chinese had warned Pyongyang, an increasingly unruly client in recent years, that it would impose punitive measures if North Korea carried out provocative tests.

“We know that China is in communications with the regime in Pyongyang,” he told Fox News. “They confirmed to us that they had requested the regime conduct no further nuclear test.”

According to Tillerson, the Chinese told the regime “that if they did conduct further nuclear tests, China would be taking sanctions actions on their own”.

The secretary of state said that the North Korean regime viewed its nuclear weapons and missile programmes as a guarantee of survival, and that the Trump administration sought to change that mindset. :rotfl:

“We want to change that calculus of theirs and we have said to them: your pathway to survival and security is to eliminate your nuclear weapons and we and other countries will help you on the way to economic development,” Tillerson said. He assured Pyongyang that the US objective was ridding the Korean peninsula of nuclear weapons, not toppling Kim Jong-un.

“We do not seek a regime change in North Korea. We are not seeking the collapse of the regime.”

Tillerson said that the US administration would “wait as long as it takes” for talks to start providing North Korea conducted no new nuclear or intercontinental ballistic missile tests.

The secretary of state did not directly reply to a question on whether this policy was very similar to the “strategic patience” pursued by the Obama administration, which Tillerson had earlier said had come to an end.

In his Oval Office interview with Reuters, Trump offered an assessment of Kim.

Asked if he considered the North Korean leader to be rational he noted that Kim had taken over his country at an early age.

“He’s 27 years old. His father dies, took over a regime. So say what you want but that is not easy, especially at that age,” he said.

“I’m not giving him credit or not giving him credit, I’m just saying that’s a very hard thing to do. As to whether or not he’s rational, I have no opinion on it. I hope he’s rational,” he said.

Meanwhile, in a sign that North Korea’s regional neighbours are taking the threat of a conflict seriously, Australian prime minister Malcolm Turnbull warned that Pyongyang could launch a nuclear attack on nations and claimed China has not applied enough pressure on the regime.

“There is the possibility and the risk that North Korea could launch an attack on its neighbours,” Turnbull said on 3AW radio.

“That is the reason why there is so much effort being put into seeking to stop this reckless and dangerous conduct by the North Korean regime. They are a real threat to the peace and stability in the region and to the whole world.”

Turnbull said while North Korea was often a subject of satire, the country had nuclear weapons and regularly threatened to use them.

“Their threats can appear sometimes to be theatrical and over the top and they have been the subject of satire but I can assure you that my government takes ... the threat of North Korea very seriously,” he said.

On Friday morning Tillerson will chair a special ministerial session of the UN security council on North Korea, aimed at convincing other members to impose existing sanctions on Pyongyang more rigorously.

In Washington, the head of the Arms Control Association, Daryl Kimball, welcomed the Trump administration’s readiness for direct talks with North Korea.

“There are some new things here. They are making clear that regime change is not the goal. There is a recognition that North Korea has security concerns,” Kimball said. “I think what we hearing the evening is more of the engagement part of the maximum pressure engagement policy that they are slowly rolling out.”

He added: “It’s going to require persistence and patience.”


NoKo's arty alone can devastate large parts of SoKo. Yanqui THAAD and Patriot SAMs won't be able to deal with them and should US air or missile strikes take place,then all bets are off. Kim the youngest will descend into his bunker-adopt that same mentality and unleash all that he's got against the running dogs of capitalism in the Far East,SoKo,Japan,and the US to boot.N-strikes are a certainty. China is caught in a cleft stick. Unless it can guarantee a future "no-US mil. strike against NoKo",just as Kruschev obtained from JFK,the curtain will rise....

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Lalmohan » 28 Apr 2017 13:48

UlanBatori wrote:US has never ended the state of war against North Korea.
Accordingly, there are myriad "sanctions" and other hostile acts in place against North Korea, strangling them.


a truce was reached but a cold war stand-off remained. a trip to the DMZ confirms just how chilly it is.
the puzzling thing is that NoKo hasn't done recently anything that it wasn't doing before...
they were brutalising their people
they were assassinating anyone who frowned in the general direction of the great leader
mijjile building
bum phoRing

all business as usual...
so why suddenly unkil got khujli?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby V_Raman » 28 Apr 2017 14:03

maybe this is a test of china on how well they are able to control their munna. But for what purpose?

maybe they have crossed a capability threshold? but any bum is a bum. and china was upset about THAAD. what gives?

maybe USA wants to deploy nuclear missiles in South Korea, hence all this drama?

confused...

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby RKumar » 28 Apr 2017 14:28

USA is doubting their own capability, if they can't take a decision to bomb and flatten North Korea what chance they have against India or China.

I really don't understand why they are browning their pants :rotfl:


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