Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
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Two people have been arrested a middle aged couple
Not russian hybrid war spies else media would have leaked it by now
Perhaps delay was because uk was caught nook nood and had to fly in loaner equipment and operators from mainland usa
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ldier.html
Unless he led a double life it may be case of speculative arrest
Not russian hybrid war spies else media would have leaked it by now
Perhaps delay was because uk was caught nook nood and had to fly in loaner equipment and operators from mainland usa
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ldier.html
Unless he led a double life it may be case of speculative arrest
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... twick.html
Brit ministers failed to approve army use promptly
Brit ministers failed to approve army use promptly
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these britshits are embarrassed to admit that they were shut down for the holidays and that included their dinky army.ArjunPandit wrote:^^true, even that was not tried. Evening std later tried to mollify avg british by printing it next day that army capabilities have been brought in now and british is a leader in this field.
Not having the enforcement capability to tackle a major threat like drones freely buzzing around the gatwick skies and majorly disrupting air traffic is only a preview of more such things to come after brexit.
The sun has truly and finally set on the empire.
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police arrested a innocent couple and spent 36 hours interrogating them before concluding they were innocent, no real suspects yet
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... drone.html
But neighbours expressed the view that police under pressure to get results 'hastily' arrested the wrong couple and slammed detectives for an 'appalling' investigation.
John Allard slammed Sussex Police for an 'appalling' investigation where they failed to even consult him.
He said he could account for Mr Gait's movements over the last week and could have provided police with a clear alibi 'if they had only asked.'
The 68-year-old was forced to contact police himself but he was unable to get through to anybody as he tried to clear his 47-year-old employee's name. He said no police officers bothered to call him back.
Mr Allard said that on Wednesday and most of Thursday, Mr Gait had been installing guttering for a client and on Friday the ex-soldier had been driving around Mr Allard's daughter, who had damaged one of her toes.
Speaking today, he said: 'Obviously the police could have handled it better just by asking the who, when and where. The police have handled this absolutely appallingly, they really have.
'All it would have taken was for them to call me and contact me as his employer and I could have confirmed [his movements].
'I discovered on Friday evening that he had been arrested. I got onto the police Saturday evening, but I couldn't get through to anybody, there was just somebody who said I'll take notes and pass that message on. But they never did get back to me, there was no return contact.'
'Although there was a complete lack of evidence, the police ripped his house apart. He refers to me as a second father and he always comes to me if there are any problems in his life. I know this will mentally destroy him.
'Paul Gait doesn't own a drone. The drone he had he sold back in mid-summer.. It was only a silly little one - anyone could have gone and bought in Hamleys.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... drone.html
But neighbours expressed the view that police under pressure to get results 'hastily' arrested the wrong couple and slammed detectives for an 'appalling' investigation.
John Allard slammed Sussex Police for an 'appalling' investigation where they failed to even consult him.
He said he could account for Mr Gait's movements over the last week and could have provided police with a clear alibi 'if they had only asked.'
The 68-year-old was forced to contact police himself but he was unable to get through to anybody as he tried to clear his 47-year-old employee's name. He said no police officers bothered to call him back.
Mr Allard said that on Wednesday and most of Thursday, Mr Gait had been installing guttering for a client and on Friday the ex-soldier had been driving around Mr Allard's daughter, who had damaged one of her toes.
Speaking today, he said: 'Obviously the police could have handled it better just by asking the who, when and where. The police have handled this absolutely appallingly, they really have.
'All it would have taken was for them to call me and contact me as his employer and I could have confirmed [his movements].
'I discovered on Friday evening that he had been arrested. I got onto the police Saturday evening, but I couldn't get through to anybody, there was just somebody who said I'll take notes and pass that message on. But they never did get back to me, there was no return contact.'
'Although there was a complete lack of evidence, the police ripped his house apart. He refers to me as a second father and he always comes to me if there are any problems in his life. I know this will mentally destroy him.
'Paul Gait doesn't own a drone. The drone he had he sold back in mid-summer.. It was only a silly little one - anyone could have gone and bought in Hamleys.
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This has nothing to do with brexit, rather than sun setting, crescent rising on the empire.chetak wrote:ArjunPandit wrote:
Not having the enforcement capability to tackle a major threat like drones freely buzzing around the gatwick skies and majorly disrupting air traffic is only a preview of more such things to come after brexit.
The sun has truly and finally set on the empire.
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I know that this has nothing to do with brexit.ArjunPandit wrote:This has nothing to do with brexit, rather than sun setting, crescent rising on the empire.chetak wrote:
All I meant to say was that their system will be under even more pressure after brexit when even the US may not be so willing to dispatch help as it did in this case.
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moroccan intel has apparently told germany that a AQ attack on airports is imminent and 4 or more hitmen are already onsite inside EU. this warning seems to have reached UK also per another article i read today. the drone drame could well be a diversionary feint to make security focus on wrong direction. various north africans have done the stabbing/running pedestrians over with car thing in UK past few years.
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Cycle of (ku)Karm catching up with brits. All the atrocities they did in previous generations will come to hound these the progeny of these guys.
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UK Taxpayers Funded Pakistani Death Courts As They Handed Down "Blasphemy Law" Sentences
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12- ... phemy-laws
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12- ... phemy-laws
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Former UK PM Attlee believed Bengal may opt to be separate country in 1947: Declassified documents.
Former British prime minister Clement Attlee told the US ambassador to the UK in June 1947 that he believed Bengal would opt to be an Independent state instead of joining either India or Pakistan, according to a media report on Friday.
Dawn said in a report from Washington that historical documents released recently by the US State Department show that the US was the first country that Attlee briefed on his plans to divide India.
On June 2, 1947, the US Ambassador in the UK, Lewis Williams Douglas, sent an "urgent and top secret" telegram to Secretary of State George Marshall, stating that the same afternoon Attlee had called him to his office and shared with him "advance information" about the partition plan.
The next day, Viceroy Louis Mountbatten broadcast the plan to the Indian people while Attlee presented it to the British parliament. Attlee told Ambassador Douglas he wanted elected representatives from Punjab and Bengal to decide which of the two major dominions these provinces would join.
If they failed to do so, those two provinces would be partitioned between India and Pakistan. Attlee said he thought “a division of Punjab is likely”, but added that there was a “distinct possibility Bengal might decide against partition and against joining either Hindustan or Pakistan”.
In that event Bengal might form a separate dominion , an alternative also open to Punjab, but which he thought it improbable that it would elect to do, Attlee told Ambassador Douglas.
The envoy noted that the British prime minister was “ in sober mood, at times tinged with sorrow” while discussing the partition plan with him.
“In his own words he has been working on the Indian problem for 21 years” and that the viceroy would “make one last attempt to secure
acceptance of the Cabinet mission's plan”.
Failing such acceptance, “which Attlee believed most unlikely”, the viceroy would lay before Indian leaders a procedure for “the partition of India into a Hindustan dominion and a Pakistan dominion”.
Attlee told the US ambassador that power might be transferred to Hindustan sometime in August. “Pakistan, being without administrative
machinery, power transfer to it might be delayed until this was available,” the prime minister said.
If India was divided, Attlee told the ambassador, such problems as the partition of gold holdings, army, etc would be carried out by joint
commissions of Indians representing the several Indian dominions. The British PM was “hopeful that there will be no bloodshed, but
feared that there will be”.
He told the US ambassador that in its efforts to restore order, the Indian Army would be acting under orders of the interim Indian government's defence minister.
The British prime minister told the US ambassador that he thought opposition in British parliament would not object to appropriate legislation and that it would therefore go through promptly, the Pakistani daily said.
“I thanked the prime minister warmly for his courtesy in providing the US with this advance information, courtesy which so far as I know has not been extended to any other power,” Ambassador Douglas wrote.
On June 20, 1947, Secretary Marshall sent a telegram to the US embassy in New Delhi, showing that the United States continued to oppose India's partition.
In that telegram, Secretary Marshall referred to a June 19, 1947, dispatch by Reuters news agency, reporting that Karachi had been selected as Pakistan's capital and the US was willing to open an embassy there. (UK with planning acted as a Pimp to provide pakistani whore to the US)
The news agency's report quoted Holdsworth G Minnigerode, US consul at Karachi, as telling its correspondent that the “question of establishing an American embassy here is engaging the attention of US authorities”.
The Department of State “appreciates fact that Minnigerode may have been misquoted, but wishes to avoid a “premature indication that the US intends to establish additional diplomatic missions in India or that this question is engaging [attention of] US authorities at this time”.
Minnigerode informed the State Department on June 23 from Karachi that the Reuters dispatch was “utterly false” and that he had
limited his June 17 remarks before a delegation of eight journalists to the comment that he had no information on the subject of establishing an American embassy at Karachi and was unable and unauthorised to make any statement.
Former British prime minister Clement Attlee told the US ambassador to the UK in June 1947 that he believed Bengal would opt to be an Independent state instead of joining either India or Pakistan, according to a media report on Friday.
Dawn said in a report from Washington that historical documents released recently by the US State Department show that the US was the first country that Attlee briefed on his plans to divide India.
On June 2, 1947, the US Ambassador in the UK, Lewis Williams Douglas, sent an "urgent and top secret" telegram to Secretary of State George Marshall, stating that the same afternoon Attlee had called him to his office and shared with him "advance information" about the partition plan.
The next day, Viceroy Louis Mountbatten broadcast the plan to the Indian people while Attlee presented it to the British parliament. Attlee told Ambassador Douglas he wanted elected representatives from Punjab and Bengal to decide which of the two major dominions these provinces would join.
If they failed to do so, those two provinces would be partitioned between India and Pakistan. Attlee said he thought “a division of Punjab is likely”, but added that there was a “distinct possibility Bengal might decide against partition and against joining either Hindustan or Pakistan”.
In that event Bengal might form a separate dominion , an alternative also open to Punjab, but which he thought it improbable that it would elect to do, Attlee told Ambassador Douglas.
The envoy noted that the British prime minister was “ in sober mood, at times tinged with sorrow” while discussing the partition plan with him.
“In his own words he has been working on the Indian problem for 21 years” and that the viceroy would “make one last attempt to secure
acceptance of the Cabinet mission's plan”.
Failing such acceptance, “which Attlee believed most unlikely”, the viceroy would lay before Indian leaders a procedure for “the partition of India into a Hindustan dominion and a Pakistan dominion”.
Attlee told the US ambassador that power might be transferred to Hindustan sometime in August. “Pakistan, being without administrative
machinery, power transfer to it might be delayed until this was available,” the prime minister said.
If India was divided, Attlee told the ambassador, such problems as the partition of gold holdings, army, etc would be carried out by joint
commissions of Indians representing the several Indian dominions. The British PM was “hopeful that there will be no bloodshed, but
feared that there will be”.
He told the US ambassador that in its efforts to restore order, the Indian Army would be acting under orders of the interim Indian government's defence minister.
The British prime minister told the US ambassador that he thought opposition in British parliament would not object to appropriate legislation and that it would therefore go through promptly, the Pakistani daily said.
“I thanked the prime minister warmly for his courtesy in providing the US with this advance information, courtesy which so far as I know has not been extended to any other power,” Ambassador Douglas wrote.
On June 20, 1947, Secretary Marshall sent a telegram to the US embassy in New Delhi, showing that the United States continued to oppose India's partition.
In that telegram, Secretary Marshall referred to a June 19, 1947, dispatch by Reuters news agency, reporting that Karachi had been selected as Pakistan's capital and the US was willing to open an embassy there. (UK with planning acted as a Pimp to provide pakistani whore to the US)
The news agency's report quoted Holdsworth G Minnigerode, US consul at Karachi, as telling its correspondent that the “question of establishing an American embassy here is engaging the attention of US authorities”.
The Department of State “appreciates fact that Minnigerode may have been misquoted, but wishes to avoid a “premature indication that the US intends to establish additional diplomatic missions in India or that this question is engaging [attention of] US authorities at this time”.
Minnigerode informed the State Department on June 23 from Karachi that the Reuters dispatch was “utterly false” and that he had
limited his June 17 remarks before a delegation of eight journalists to the comment that he had no information on the subject of establishing an American embassy at Karachi and was unable and unauthorised to make any statement.
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another nail in the colonial coffin??
PM Narendra Modi renames three islands in Andaman & Nicobar
PM Narendra Modi renames three islands in Andaman & Nicobar
December 30, 2018
Modi in Port Blair :
PM Narendra Modi renames three islands in Andaman & Nicobar
The three islands — Ross Island, Neil Island and Havelock Island — will now be called Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose Island, Shaheed Dweep and Swaraj Dweep, respectively, said Modi at a public function in Port Blair.[/b]
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Sins of Britain come calling for past debts!
3 stabbed in New Year's Eve 'terrorist' attack in Manchester
Meanwhile, other parts of the world join Britain in New Year's festivities
UK, Germany, Japan rocked by New Year's Eve terror attacks - YouTube
3 stabbed in New Year's Eve 'terrorist' attack in Manchester
Meanwhile, other parts of the world join Britain in New Year's festivities
UK, Germany, Japan rocked by New Year's Eve terror attacks - YouTube
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@PrisonPlanet
14-year-old girl raped outside a shopping center in Burnley, UK. Culprit still on the loose.
Sky News says he's a man with a beard and a "tanned complexion".
Is this a new politically correct term or are we talking about someone who recently returned from holiday?
14-year-old girl raped outside a shopping center in Burnley, UK. Culprit still on the loose.
Sky News says he's a man with a beard and a "tanned complexion".
Is this a new politically correct term or are we talking about someone who recently returned from holiday?
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[/quote]chetak wrote:another nail in the colonial coffin?? [/b]
The three islands — Ross Island, Neil Island and Havelock Island — will now be called Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose Island, Shaheed Dweep and Swaraj Dweep, respectively, said Modi at a public function in Port Blair.[/b]
Rahul bedi has written a burning article on telegraph, claiming Netaji to be hindu nationalist who was pally with hitler. Haven't bothered to read his article but read a rebuttal by major gaurav arya.
regarding stabbings, there was a new low in political correctedness. Metro said, shouting Daesh Slogan. Of course daesh slogan is ...
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There was an article that 6 million UK citizens seek Irish citizenship so they can work in EU.
Need to find it.
Need to find it.
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[quote="chetak"]another nail in the colonial coffin??
From the Daily Hate
Indian Prime Minister Modi rechristens islands named after British colonial figures in memory of Hindu nationalist who teamed up with Hitler and the Japanese in World War Two
Check the comments out.
They forget that Hitler wrote to the owner of the Daily Hate, to thank him for support!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments
From the Daily Hate
Indian Prime Minister Modi rechristens islands named after British colonial figures in memory of Hindu nationalist who teamed up with Hitler and the Japanese in World War Two
Check the comments out.
They forget that Hitler wrote to the owner of the Daily Hate, to thank him for support!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments
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Subhash Bose a "separatist'?
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Just read some of the comments. They still think India runs on British aid.
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I believe you are referring to the Reuter’s article that talks about six million brits who are eligible and will seek to hold dual passports. Anybody born in Ireland, Northern Ireland or with Irish parent or grandparent is entitled to an Irish passport.ramana wrote:There was an article that 6 million UK citizens seek Irish citizenship so they can work in EU.
Need to find it.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKCN1OU004
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and you forgot that churchil dood was fan of Hitler for taking on communism. Those were interesting times. 1940s kids would remember that Just as taking help of soviets didnt make west commie, similarly taking help of Japs and Nazis didnt make netaji a Nazi. Let's leave it at that.Haresh wrote:chetak wrote:another nail in the colonial coffin??
From the Daily Hate
Indian Prime Minister Modi rechristens islands named after British colonial figures in memory of Hindu nationalist who teamed up with Hitler and the Japanese in World War Two
Check the comments out.
They forget that Hitler wrote to the owner of the Daily Hate, to thank him for support!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments
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chanakyaa wrote:I believe you are referring to the Reuter’s article that talks about six million Brits who are eligible and will seek to hold dual passports. Anybody born in Ireland, Northern Ireland or with Irish parent or grandparent is entitled to an Irish passport.ramana wrote:There was an article that 6 million UK citizens seek Irish citizenship so they can work in EU.
Need to find it.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKCN1OU004
exactly.
Now Irish ancestry which was despised in Great Britain is now the saving grace for 6 million British of Irish descent.
Current UK population is about 50 Million.
Of these 6 million want to get Irish citizenship to get jobs in EU.
Recall the Act of Union was signed in early 1700s to unify England and Scotland to help exploit Colonial India.
Some wise person said Irish were the first colony of the English.
Every colonial measure was perfected in Ireland and later used eventually in all the colonies.
Now Ireland comes to rescue of the 6 Million British.
On what basis can UK still hold on to Northern Ireland?
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Threat of renewed confict.ramana wrote:On what basis can UK still hold on to Northern Ireland?
The Irish would like their island reunited under one government peacefuly. But the Ulsters in NI don't want to be part of Ireland. The UQ argument is the same as for places like Falklands and Gibraltar i.e. 'locals have voted in referendums to remain part of UK', never mind HOW did the 'locals' get there in the first place. That part has been asserted as a fait accompli that cannot be changed now.
UQ is simultaneously compelled to have a border between NI and RoI that is open (due to the Good Friday Agreement) and closed (Brexit desire to avoid freedom of movement with EU). Those born in Northern Ireland are eligible for both citizens and may hold Irish or British passport, or both.
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Wow! Cheen is threatening to overtake the mighty (f)UK as the 2nd greatest superpower!
We are number 9, ahead of the Russkies.
Had no idea the chinis are so powerful now that they threaten Britannia for number two.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/0 ... laims-new/
We are number 9, ahead of the Russkies.
Had no idea the chinis are so powerful now that they threaten Britannia for number two.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/0 ... laims-new/
China poses greatest threat to UK as global super-power, claims new study
Robert Mendick, chief reporter
4 JANUARY 2019 • 12:01AM
China poses the single biggest threat to Britain’s position as one of the great super-powers, according to a new analysis of the world’s wealthiest countries.
The annual audit found Britain had maintained its place as the world’s second most powerful nation, behind the US. The rankings - based on a series of factors including economic performance, technological expertise, military might and diplomatic leverage - placed China in third above France, Germany and Japan.
But the Henry Jackson Society warned that China could overtake the UK by next year as a consequence of its economic growth and military investment.
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The audit found that the UK retains a military might greater than that of China and technological prowess far in advance of Russia. However, it attributes much of the UK’s comparative power to its diplomatic, financial and cultural capabilities and links around the globe.
Of the report’s nine key sub-categories, the UK is a top-five power in eight spheres. It is second in the world in five of those categories.
The think tank described Britain as one of three ‘global powers’ along with the US and China while Russia was ranked only tenth behind India. Russia is a ‘regional’ power meaning “it can only prosecute its objectives” within its own regional surroundings.
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in other news UK has signed up for a permanent naval dock in Oman which will be able to berth submarines and aircraft carriers.
there is talk of expanding in singapore, brunei and australia and showing the flag in SCS once the two QE2 carriers are available
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/03/asia ... index.html
with EU shackles gone post brexit, they can revert to more traditional role of a american side kick in all adventures
there is talk of expanding in singapore, brunei and australia and showing the flag in SCS once the two QE2 carriers are available
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/03/asia ... index.html
with EU shackles gone post brexit, they can revert to more traditional role of a american side kick in all adventures
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under the anzac HQ, some 15000 indian soldiers of all religions fought at gallipolli. it is certain some number would have died. but a intrepid indian vlogger who scoured the place finds no evidence of even muslim graves and neither does the indian embassy.
what happened to the dead, whether they were cremated or buried unmarked is not known.
there are beautiful cemeteries to the goras in what is a very beautiful region with crystal blue waters and dwarf coastal forests.
the turks took good care of the place after they won and the british moved away.
it was all the brilliant idea of one winston churchill and his chalak first sea lord. the aussies alone lost 7500 KIA and 25000 wounded. mel gibsons first film was on gallipolli where his friend is shot dead in the last second of the film. the brits made the hapless aussies take a real blow for god and the auld country it did - scuppered them real bad.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/prog ... -gallipoli => old pics here
"Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives ... You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours ... You, the mothers who sent their sons from faraway countries, wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well."
Mustafa Kemal ATATURK - Commander of Gallipoli, establisher and first president of modern Republic of Turkey.
what happened to the dead, whether they were cremated or buried unmarked is not known.
there are beautiful cemeteries to the goras in what is a very beautiful region with crystal blue waters and dwarf coastal forests.
the turks took good care of the place after they won and the british moved away.
it was all the brilliant idea of one winston churchill and his chalak first sea lord. the aussies alone lost 7500 KIA and 25000 wounded. mel gibsons first film was on gallipolli where his friend is shot dead in the last second of the film. the brits made the hapless aussies take a real blow for god and the auld country it did - scuppered them real bad.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/prog ... -gallipoli => old pics here
"Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives ... You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours ... You, the mothers who sent their sons from faraway countries, wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well."
Mustafa Kemal ATATURK - Commander of Gallipoli, establisher and first president of modern Republic of Turkey.
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In 2006 I visited Ypres (Belgium) and toured many Commonwealth cemeteries. My experience back then matches this young intrepid explorer. I learnt later that the Indian embassy updated the marker in 2011 which denoted the sacrifices of Indian soldiers at that front. I think I had shared those photos with BRF back then.Singha wrote:...but a intrepid indian vlogger who scoured the place finds no evidence of even muslim graves and neither does the indian embassy....
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-42016574
atleast the french had the decency to cremate these two fallen and give them a military burial. 70,000 indians died in france in WW1 it seems.
atleast the french had the decency to cremate these two fallen and give them a military burial. 70,000 indians died in france in WW1 it seems.
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heathrow stalled by drones again. What happened to the famed military capability. Seems like that was taken away from both Gatwick and Heathrow and announced with pomp.
CT in me thinks, this is a either a bearhug for skripal or a ploy by military itself to get funding support for developing weapons for this
CT in me thinks, this is a either a bearhug for skripal or a ploy by military itself to get funding support for developing weapons for this
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Our memorials of WW2 will remain as it is because of the ambiguity of the cause we were fighting for. What were we fighting for ? 'liberty' ? 'freedom from tyranny' ? By fighting on the side of the colonial oppressor ? The same entity who's supposed to show gratitude for our contributions subsequently, which of course they don't give a crap about ? I'm afraid we first need a narrative of our own that legitimizes our presence there as a force for good, while simultaneously delegitimizing the colonial force who conscripted us as their cannon fodder.
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^^narrative is important suraj, but what i feel there is a systematic suppression of india's contribution to ww2. These guys need to be reminded that if not for India, they might have been learning german in their schools instead of learning some random king and his famed wives. They could not have held till then.
Same thing for Chinese, they might be learning Japanese.
It seems only US and UK won the war. With some contribution to Russia. China also tried to highlight its contribution.
I even remember a Al jazeera documentary about Dunkirk showing that Indias were retreating and a snide remark. Of course they dint mention that Indian Army was instrumental in retreat of rommel from Tobruk, and dismantling of caliphate in Turkey.
Same thing for Chinese, they might be learning Japanese.
It seems only US and UK won the war. With some contribution to Russia. China also tried to highlight its contribution.
I even remember a Al jazeera documentary about Dunkirk showing that Indias were retreating and a snide remark. Of course they dint mention that Indian Army was instrumental in retreat of rommel from Tobruk, and dismantling of caliphate in Turkey.
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IMHO we are being chumps if we expect others to give us credit for something we were cannon fodder for them in. Being a good boy and hoping for a pat on the head is not how geopolitics works. We were condoms for use and discarding, and that's exactly how they view and treat us since then. If we want better, it's up to us to define why we were there, and write our own history over their view of us, which currently predominates.
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Well that's certainly one way of looking at it. Agree to your point completely, but till the time we dont have a finalized that, nothing wrong in highlighting the facts they couldn't have sustained without us. Narratives change over generations, with regimes. Facts remain.Suraj wrote:IMHO we are being chumps if we expect others to give us credit for something we were cannon fodder for them in. Being a good boy and hoping for a pat on the head is not how geopolitics works. We were condoms for use and discarding, and that's exactly how they view and treat us since then. If we want better, it's up to us to define why we were there, and write our own history over their view of us, which currently predominates.
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At least a small memorial should be made there commemorating their sacrifice. Most of the soldiers joined british indian army as they were thinking that British will give Independence.anupmisra wrote:In 2006 I visited Ypres (Belgium) and toured many Commonwealth cemeteries. My experience back then matches this young intrepid explorer. I learnt later that the Indian embassy updated the marker in 2011 which denoted the sacrifices of Indian soldiers at that front. I think I had shared those photos with BRF back then.Singha wrote:...but a intrepid indian vlogger who scoured the place finds no evidence of even muslim graves and neither does the indian embassy....
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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
The pre 2019 election, anti PM Modi propaganda has started;
this in ex chancellor Osbornes rag,
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/i ... 31936.html
one can find similar stuff in The Grauniad
this in ex chancellor Osbornes rag,
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/i ... 31936.html
one can find similar stuff in The Grauniad
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
In my opinion, there's been no shortage of 'highlighting' on our part, and the extent to which we do it is constrained by the absence of a narrative on our part because the other side simply points to the handful of existing memorials to their footsoldiers as adequate proof of remembrance on their part, and responds with 'if you want more, why don't you do it yourself'. That's what one gets when one lives by someone else's narrative.ArjunPandit wrote:Well that's certainly one way of looking at it. Agree to your point completely, but till the time we dont have a finalized that, nothing wrong in highlighting the facts they couldn't have sustained without us. Narratives change over generations, with regimes. Facts remain.
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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
Rajiv Malhotra talks about what the last 3-4 posts here talked about in british parliament and oxford university(which along with Cambridge university) in the past responsible for some of the subjugation of Indians directly and indirectly.
he called it as soft power reparations which UK can do to remove the stain of colonisation.
1) grand narrative(many other speeches of his available- also writing a book on it)
2) Both indians and uk can collaborate the undoing of aryan Dravidian theory of divide
3) war memorial for Indians who died in WW1 and 2 right in UK
4) openly said if not for Indians , brits would be speaking german
5) said what has happened in the past has happened, this should be written in uk curriculum similar to what germansy did for hitler etc
6) commemorate the 100 years of jalianwala bagh massacre etc
please watch both the speeches.
Of course our own Mp Shashi Tharoor also commented on it by saying that Uk should admit the guilt and give one dollar(which appears a little silly). he also wrote a book on british atrocities "inglorious empire" in western markets(whites did not like the Indian title) and "age of darkness" british empire in India in Indian markets
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Likely OT but relevant
https://www.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 464651.ece last year 2018 october
https://www.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 464651.ece last year 2018 october
As the world commemorates the centenary of the armistice of the First World War, an Indian War Memorial was unveiled at Villers Guislain, 200 km from Paris, on Friday to highlight the contribution of the Indian soldiers to the freedom of France in the Great War.
The memorial was unveiled by Vice President M. Venkaiah Naidu, who is in France to represent India at the centenary commemoration.
“This is the first national memorial for the Indian soldiers who died in France during the First World War and features the Ashoka emblem,” said Sqn. Ldr. Rana T. S. Chhina (retd), Secretary, Centre For Armed Forces Historical Research at the United Services Institution (USI) of India. The memorial, constructed by the Government of India through the USI, is distinct from the Indian memorial at Neuve Chapple, which was built by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission.
(India Gate was built by the British to honour the >75000 Indians who died in ww1 and afghan wars)The First World War came to an end with the signing of the armistice on November 11, 1918. India contributed more than 1.5 million troops, of which 1.3 million fought overseas across all theatres and, approximately, 72,000 were killed. India Gate in Delhi, which pays homage to the “unknown soldier”, has names of soldiers inscribed on it.
The USI is preparing battlefield guides of India’s major wars before Independence to promote ‘battlefield tourism,’ a concept much popular in Europe.
“We realised that the local economy of a number of places in Europe is sustained by battle field tourism... Tourists nationally and internationally come to visit the sites where the battles were fought. There is spike in local economy because of influx of tourists,” Sqn. Ldr. Chhina said.
In France and Belgium, the theatre for major battles of the Great War, Sqn Ldr Chhina said, while battlefield tourism was big, there was no mention of the significant Indian contribution.
“So we thought that needs to be rectified. To that end we produced the guides to the battles of the Indian Army in the Western front in Europe in First World War,” he stated, observing that it links the “present to the past and tells the Indian story.”
In addition, the common flower seen across India, the Marigold, is set to join the poppy as a uniquely Indian symbol of remembrance.
Since the end of the First World War, poppy was adopted as the symbol of remembrance in Europe as it grew widely grew in the Flanders fields in Europe where some of the major battles were fought.