Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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if you look at anglo-russian relations over the past 4-5 years, you get some good clues
and oddly enough, some key figures in the leave campaign seem to have a lot of Russian debts... gee I wonder...?
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>> the PIGS will follow next, as surely as night follows the day

way I see it PIIGS are enjoying a good job mobility market, better economy and higher std of living by attaching to the EUs richer core states. why would they want to leave the gravy train? by controlling the sea rim of EU , the PIIGS sit on vital choke points and real estate and hence are too vital to be kicked out from the tent.
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not quite - to qualify they have to meet german thresholds for economic management - most do not do so. trying to get close almost killed Greece. all this time they thought they could get german salaries without showing up for work or paying any taxes... well, that didn't last long

Portugal sort of managed to latch on to spain and with the Spanish recovery (inherently large market with catch up potential) they are sort of ok. Ireland is growing again slowly, but agri sector is very vulnerable if uk exits without agreement.

Italy is the wild card - too big to fail, too nuts to survive. the gravy train comes at a price the PIIGS can't pay
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jacob rees mogg. said to be one of the sith lords driving this manthan.
looking at his hat must be a rich man.

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Don’t be fooled: this Brexit deal creates a triple lock to shackle the UK to Brussels forever
January 10, 2019
Don’t be fooled: this Brexit deal creates a triple lock to shackle the UK to Brussels forever

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The author is a serving Civil Servant whose anonymity we are protecting.




Just as we thought the orchestrated fog of confusion around the Withdrawal Agreement was about to lift, there were reports that Theresa May might even postpone the meaningful vote again while she seeks “reassurance” from the EU about the Northern Ireland backstop. Whatever fudge is cooked up in Brussels to try to bolster support for her “deal”, it is very unlikely that the EU will delete the backstop. Why? Because it is a crucial element of the Withdrawal Agreement’s “triple lock” structure designed to stop Brexit. “Withdrawal Agreement” is an Orwellian misnomer, of course. This agreement keeps Britain in chains. Voters may believe we need it in order to leave the EU. We do not. They could be fooled by the Prime Minister’s repeated claims that there might be “no Brexit” unless it is passed – when of course Brexit will happen by default without it under the terms of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act. Voters might also be forgiven for believing that the Withdrawal Agreement settles our future trade relationship with the EU. Not in the slightest. Future trade talks remain just that – in the future – while May’s “deal” keeps the UK legally shackled to a moribund EU economy which it must attempt to revive with vast sums of British taxpayers’ money for an indeterminate number of years. Project Fear has been in overdrive since the Withdrawal Agreement was published, with spin, misrepresentation and blatant untruths deployed to sell it to a rightly suspicious nation. But once people open the Withdrawal Agreement tin, they seem more inclined to spit out its contents than swallow them whole. It’s rather like buying a can labelled “tomato soup” and finding it contains a concoction of deadly nightshade. But credit where it’s due: EU officials (ably abetted by their British allies) have produced a devilishly clever draft treaty which, if passed, would end Brexit and get Britain ready to board the express train to a United States of Europe.

The political takeover of the UK represented by the Withdrawal Agreement is an audacious attempt to reverse a damning popular vote of discontent with the European Project and provide fresh impetus for the federal superstate that is the EU’s raison d’être. The EU’s triple lock guarantee is so constructed that never again will Brussels be troubled by an explosion of democracy in the United Kingdom.

Parliament has one last chance to escape total eclipse – and it is now, by rejecting the Withdrawal Agreement in its entirety.

The first lock: the transition period

The first lock is the transition period, which lasts until at least 2021. We must hand over an estimated £39 billion for nothing, be bound by EU law and take orders from an unelected Joint Committee operating under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. Will the EU27 agree an equitable free trade agreement before the end of 2020? Unlikely, since all the goodies they want in the “future partnership” are set out in the Northern Ireland backstop, which kicks in automatically on 1st January 2021 unless superseded by a “partnership” agreement. Full ratification by all Member States is required before any such agreement can come into force. Achieving this in time to avoid entering the backstop would be nothing short of miraculous, even if the EU agrees to extend the transition period for one or two years. So it is more pay with no say and a likely doubling of the Brexit bill to £80 billion, to be paid with no reference to British MPs.

The second lock: the backstop

The backstop is intended to be inescapable. It prepares Britain for the final destination set out in the political declaration, as a permanent satellite state of the EU. By which time, of course, it is doubtless hoped that we will be so fed up with our vassalage that we decide to rejoin the EU as a full member – with greatly increased budget contributions and a whole swathe of new EU law to obey. The United States of Europe will have taken shape during our “wilderness years” using our money (“Britgeld” seems to be an appropriate term), but without our political input. No taxation without representation? What a joke. Not only does the backstop carve out Northern Ireland as an EU province and set a border in the Irish Sea, it creates a partial “customs union” that requires us to implement EU trade tariffs and policy with no decision-making powers. Under highly restrictive “non-regression clauses”, the UK also agrees to implement all EU environmental, competition, state aid and tax harmonisation laws, with the unelected Joint Committee and the ECJ once again able to punish us for any perceived backsliding. British farmers will be locked into a subsidy regime well below support received by EU27 farmers, who nevertheless retain tariff-free access to the UK. British agriculture would be decimated. It means we could not support British businesses, give ourselves a competitive edge in new technologies where we excel, strike independent trade deals or diverge in key policy areas such as goods regulations and tax. Free EU access to UK fisheries is set down as a marker for negotiation in the future “deal”.

The third lock: the “future partnership”

Anyone expecting the EU27 to give up the immense advantages they gain under the backstop is delusional. Retaining tariff-free access to the UK market and effective control of UK trade and competition policy must be nirvana for them. To ensure they reap the full benefit, there is the third and final lock in the Withdrawal Agreement. Unless we agree to a “future partnership” as set out in the political declaration, the backstop will endure in perpetuity. The Political Declaration replicates all the onerous “non-regression” clauses of the backstop and requires even more surrender of sovereignty via participation in and funding of the EU’s aerospace and defence programmes, free access to UK waters for EU fishermen, a full customs union and common trade policy, free movement by the backdoor under “mobility” clauses, EU control of UK agriculture via the state aid rules and in general full adherence to the acquis communautaire in all policy areas. Thank you for your triple lock guarantee, M. Barnier. The Withdrawal Agreement cage conforms to the highest EU safety standards. But could I have my Sovereign Tomato Soup now, please?
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if that was written by a civil servant then Musharraf is a great kammando jarnail who rides victorious in green robes on majestic camels
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rees mogg is the archetypal old money empire was best type
I don't think the hardships of the common man ever touch him
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Lalmohan wrote:if that was written by a civil servant then Musharraf is a great kammando jarnail who rides victorious in green robes on majestic camels

sirji,

how can you ever doubt musharraf??

he repeatedly and frequently attests his own greatness and publicly too.

Of course, the camel doesn't agree but then what the hell does the camel know, it's not a paki camel, no??
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no the camel was a pure Arabian breed
and I do miss mushy... its the not the same without him

the article though is classic disinformatsiya and probably written by a swivel eyed loon
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Suraj wrote:
Singha wrote:since the people of UK voted for brexit, what exactly is this vote in uk parliament all about?

why dont they just leave. what is the disagreement about in UK now?
The issues:

Freedom of Movement
* UK wants to stop freedom of movement between UK and rest of EU, which means EU folks cannot move to and work in UK freely
* But UK and Eire both want to keep RI-NI border open (Good Friday Agreement)
* Eire is part of EU, UK wants out, i.e. NI would be out.
* But NI does NOT want out of EU, and neither does Scotland (SNP are all remainers)
* Paradox: UK wants RI/NI border open and closed simultaneously - open to Irish/UK folks, closed to EU folks. Impossible because border is open and Eire supports freedom of movement with rest of EU.
* Could UK give up NI to fix this ? That's a practical answer but
a) NI is a political atoot ang, and DUP (NI nationalists) are keeping this Tory govt afloat.
b) there will be blood

Visa / Movement
* No visas for EU folks wanting to work in UK or vice versa right now.
* This will change - UK doesn't want to offer this to EU nationals, but wants easy access to EU for themselves.

Trade and Business
* There's a vast collection of standardization agreements intra EU that enables sourcing within the EU area hasslefree.
* UK does not want EU imposed standardization and wants to do things its way.
* But UK still wants hassle free interface to business with EU

There are options like Norway, Switzerland and Turkey models, but they all come with baggage:
Norway Model: simplest, but contradicts major Brexit redlines - requires freedom of movement and subject to EU regulation.
Swiss/Turkish models: possible, but takes FAR more time than 2 years.
Just-another-country: follows WTO based system like anyone else outside EU.

UK is copying Pakistan. every demand is a one way advantage in an international system. All take and no give.
Cant be sustained.
In long run say 40 to 50 years we will see France, Germany and Russia forming a Caucasian bloc and wouldn't rule out US as part of that group.

The biggest hurdle is Roman Catholic Europe and Orthodox Church in Russia. The Great Schism was about Christ icons, but if you go through the cathedrals of Europe you find many Catholic relics of their holy men paintings of Christ which is iconography. So the differences are minimal over the centuries since the Great Schism.

Besides both are in decline as Christianity is reducing its space and moving to Asia.

England will become Al -Britannia.
With the monarch of England as new Caliph and get married to the Al Saud family.
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ramana wrote:UK is copying Pakistan. every demand is a one way advantage in an international system. All take and no give.
Cant be sustained.
You got the cause and effect wrong sir. Father is UK - possibly in a quantum probabilistic sense since few others also deserve equal credit; illegitimate child is Pak. Pak learnt from the UK now "child is the father of man" as the poet would say.
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ramana wrote:UK is copying Pakistan. every demand is a one way advantage in an international system. All take and no give.
UK had a chance to negotiate a Swiss like model long ago, but given the circumstances of the time, they signed up for something they later decided they didn't like. UK and EU have a fractitous history. DeGaulle vetoed UK's EEC membership in the early 1960s seeing them as a lackey of the US, and they didn't join until the mid 1970s. They probably hurried through with it during the Oil Shock times, not quite thinking that one day eastern Europe might be part of EU and all those folks would come to UK for jobs.

Most, if not all, the rhetoric about Brussels domination is gobar gas - there's probably not a single legislation not passed by an elected UK government. The handwaving in this matter is no different from Cashmere Solidarity rallies in pindi and lawhore. No one talks about the whole 350 million a week for the NHS bus banner.

The real issue is 'bleddy furriners taking our jobs' especially in the neglected UK hinterland. That is their own fault. Their unitary London-centric system can get away with ignoring the hinterland due to lack of 'state level' voices at the center. Of course, by signing up for EEC, lots of Poles and Romanians moved to UK, worked hard and 'took away jobs' from lazy locals, who want to kick the furriners out. And of course there's the older generation that chafes at seeing UK as just a member of a larger entity and not a glorious great powel (now standing with pants and undies around ankles).

It's a completely self inflicted problem they're trying to get others to solve for them. The EU also has a share of the 'blame' for this. The 1995 and 2002 expansions were not quite well thought out. Enforced freedom of movement brings out the worst tendencies of clannishness in human beings, that no idealistic political construct can surmount.
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Britain’s a Small Country. Get Used to It. - Mihir Sharma

Europe is full of former imperial powers that have adjusted to their diminished status. The U.K. needs to find a way to do the same.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a small country that is about to get even smaller. I know that this simple statement of fact will nevertheless infuriate many English people — and I do mean English people, not Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish. Last week, at India’s Raisina Dialogue, the Spanish foreign minister said that there were two types of countries in Europe: countries that are small and countries that do not know that they are small. Aside from the English, no Europeans in the audience were upset at this plain-speaking. Not even the French.

We know that Britain is about to get smaller because, as the consequence of its inability to resolve its own internal political contradictions, it looks increasingly likely that it will crash out of Europe with no deal a few weeks from now. Prime Minister Theresa May and her withdrawal agreement have just been delivered the biggest parliamentary defeat in recent British history; this, as European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has pointed out, merely raises the “risk of a disorderly withdrawal.”

May has resolutely ruled out another referendum, but this is more than just her failure. After all, even if somehow Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party manages to unseat her, Labour’s approach to Europe is as predicated on fantasies as May’s. Corbyn is on record as saying he wants a customs union with the European Union that allows Britain to negotiate its own trade deals; this is, quite simply, impossible. It reflects a notion of British indispensability that nobody outside England shares.

The British can blame no one but themselves. While they’ve never been enthusiastic Europeans, their decision to be the first country to withdraw from the EU is revealing of a basic inability to grasp their vastly diminished place in the world. That they are a member of the United Nations Security Council means little; that reflects merely the power that the British Empire had in 1945, not the U.K.’s power today. Nor is being a nuclear-weapons state much of a big deal any more: Such basket cases as North Korea have the bomb. Most of Britain’s foreign policy influence grows out of its loyalty to the U.S., and Britons’ disproportionate cultural influence derives from the fact that they happen to speak the same language as the world’s sole cultural superpower.

I say this not just as someone often accused of Anglophilia but also as a citizen of India — one of the very few countries that believes, according to polling organization YouGov, that Britain is individually more important than either Germany or France. Even so, there will be no preferential trade deals for a post-Brexit Britain from New Delhi unless more Indians are allowed to work in the U.K. This is not, of course, something that Brexit’s Little Britain will permit.

Countries that were once powerful have to work hard to realize they no longer are. Some, like France, have understood that they can hold on to some of their past glory through shaping and guiding a larger collective. Others abandon the quest altogether and find fulfillment elsewhere.

I write this column from Vienna, an imperial capital grander even than London and one that has also been long without an empire to rule. Austria’s capital, unlike Britain’s, has come to terms with its new status. A profoundly liveable city, it prospers as Western Europe’s bridgehead in the east, and it has an easy pride in its history of intellectual innovation and artistic excellence.

Two great art exhibitions were on display this January. In one, the Kunsthistorisches Museum gathered Bruegels from across the world, in unspoken memory of a time four centuries past when the word of a Viennese emperor was law in the painter’s native Antwerp. In another, the work of the artist and designer Koloman Moser was recalled, alongside the time when Vienna invented gracious, multi-ethnic middle-class living. Here, it is easy to remember that a legacy of greatness is just that — a legacy. Both Moser and the Habsburg Empire died 100 years ago and nobody in Austria pretends otherwise. By contrast, Britain’s cultish devotion to its past so warps its present that you might be forgiven for thinking that Winston Churchill was still alive and editing The Spectator.

Perhaps the fact that London is still in a way an imperial center has allowed the fantasy of British greatness to persist. But the empire London now serves is a very different one from those of the past and lies beyond any one nation’s control: It is the empire of finance, which depends upon the approval of others and the impersonal physics of capitalism. Finance’s power has given Britain the confidence to undercut the basis for finance’s presence in Britain — its status as a gateway to the EU.

Perhaps, somehow, Brexit can still be avoided. But that would only be the beginning of Britain’s task. It must still seek an identity for itself that is more suited to the role it can realistically play on the world stage. And it must admit that that role will be closer to Spain’s or Austria’s than that of the U.S. or China.

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France government activates $56 million plan for investment in ports and airports in case of no-deal Brexit

World Agence France-Presse,
Jan 17, 2019


Paris: The French government has activated its plans for handling the effects of a no-deal Brexit, which has become "less and less unlikely", Prime Minister Edouard Philippe said on Thursday.

Speaking after a ministerial meeting called to discuss the British parliament's rejection of the divorce deal negotiated with the EU, Philippe said: "I have taken the decision to activate the plan for a no-deal Brexit."

The plan provides for 50 million euros ($ 56 million) of investment in French ports and airports, "which are obviously the places most affected by the changes needed" in the event of Britain crashing out of the EU without a deal.

"In some ports that will be the construction of car parks, in others it will be the establishment of infrastructure for carrying out checks," Philippe said.

France also plans on recruiting 580 additional customs staff and veterinary inspectors.

The French parliament is expected to complete the adoption of a bill on Thursday allowing the government to pass five decrees covering preparations for a no-deal Brexit, which could create chaotic scenes on both sides of the Channel.

"We want to be ready to protect the interests of our citizens," Philippe said.

"Our objective is at the same time to respect our obligations, to make sure that the lives of our citizens and, in a way, British citizens living in France are impacted as little as possible," he added.

The government has drawn up five decrees, slated for adoption after being vetted by the country's Council of State. They cover: The residency rights of British citizens in France: They will be allowed remain without a permit for a year after Brexit, provided the French living in Britain can do the same. After that they will need to apply for residency.

The creation of emergency customs infrastructure. Transport links: British truckers will be allowed to continue making deliveries in France, and the Channel Tunnel will continue to operate.

Safeguards on financial activities that could be jeopardised by Britain losing its "passport" access to EU financial markets. Cross-Channel deliveries of defence equipment.

Last month the French government launched a Brexit information site: http://www.brexit.gouv.fr
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France can hire some US TSA workers for the checks on visiting UKians.
SD goons have good experience in cavity searches.
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I am sorry but I think you are all looking the wrong way on this uk/eu thing.

Remember, you are reading the same media on this topic that this website has been fighting against, since it started, vis a vis India

Just like you all know this media spouts rubbish about India, it also spouts rubbish about eu/uk and is very much pro eu and anti-uk.

The wish for schadenfreude/dislike of British from an Indian prospective is quite understandable, but the British have managed to avoid all the major traps the europeans have fallen into the last 500 years.

Cathloic church gone in 1500s
Extreme political ideologies;
Nazism = Germans
Communism = French
Fascists only last century, all the major catholic countries = Portugal/Spain/Italy

I went to university in 80s with a portugeuse student who had swastikas
Hitler pictures, nazi flags, nazi records….. Well you are getting the drift.

Remember all these so called clever eu countries cf with stupid brits have as much foreign blood dripping from their hands as British… See lyrics of famous western song “Belgians in the congo”

Given the above track record who is making the mistake British wanting to leave a new country called USE (United States of Europe)… Or the countries trying to create said country.

Eu will fight tooth and nail using British establishment to keep them in but it is a fight I believe they will not win. We shall see how hard the British can fight to avoid this trap.

Britain is no longer the empire it was just like the other european countries
are no longer empires. Remember the escudos was once a reserve currency.

Contrary to the belief on here, it is Britain that will be wise to escape the eu and eu that will end up a disaster like all other disasters that have come from european mainland, see last 100 years.

Ireland stuff is all a big red herring, poor Ireland is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

https://www.rt.com/shows/going-undergro ... er-brexit/
20.15 “THE EUROPEAN UNION IS THE NEW HOLY CATHOLIC EMPIRE”
..... for Ireland

I would go further once Britain is out and the world does not end…
Ireland will be next, as it leaves EU to get closer to Britain and whatever it chooses to do.
This is longer term if Britain puts up the required fight and gets out.

By the way this is a global secular change away from big bankster/ big corporate inspired centralization/ import immigrants to suppress wages.

European Unions time for now has expired anything going in its favour will be a cyclical move against the overall secular trend change away from its power and influence.


I dont get time to come on her very often/let alone reply…... So if you want to tell me it is all rubbish we will have to discuss it personally at some point since I dont have time to write lots of stuff.
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^I am glad you voted for Brexit. It was good work.

20% of humanity will have its schadenfreude moment when Bartania goes down. Already it is the 31st state of India.
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A car bum explosion in Londonderry (NI) has revived fear of Irish unrest for united Ireland.
MPs have been quick to comment that those behind attack do not represent any one, but police did express concerns over ability to quickly assemble bum. Acc to experts bum was unstable & crude but explosion was powerful enough to send fireball & shockwaves around.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/0 ... -dramatic/
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The protestants/dup will be worried that ireland will be unified and the catholics/ira/sinn fein will be worried that a hard border will come up - both gangs of thugs have a reason to pick up the rifles again... i am sure that none of them fully disarmed after the good friday agreement...
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Is bum material available so easily ! What if M acquired capability ? NI & UK r still borderless.
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Boris Johnson is on record expressing dubiety over Britain being able to resolve the religious conflict in the Indian subcontinent. Perhaps he can practice closer to home before proffering advice.
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UK probably has its covetous eyes on the investments and low tax parked money that ireland has attracted. so by igniting chaos in ireland, who stands to benefit
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IRA had stockpiles of C4 in the past, although mostly they used fertilizer and other easily obtained chemicals. many of these are now sold in the UK with inhibitors to prevent explosions. this is one of the reasons that the bearded ones have gone for Hydrogen Peroxide derived explosives - far more unstable and unreliable unless you are a soosai bumber but easy to buy.

this device apparently wasn't too sophisticated which suggests that its not the old school IRA types but some young blood hotheads who don't have access to the good stuff. an irish friend tells me that supplies from the US have stepped up of late...

the irish terrorists usually have the good manners to phone ahead to prevent mass civilian casualties, unless they are going after government or law enforcement figures
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Singha wrote:UK probably has its covetous eyes on the investments and low tax parked money that ireland has attracted. so by igniting chaos in ireland, who stands to benefit
no need, the Europeans themselves have put enough legal pressures on irish institutions to make life difficult so that the investment ends up in Frankfurt or Amsterdam or Paris

after the brits, the irish will be screwed by brexit, which is why varadkar is panicking about the backstop agreement
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Lalmohan wrote:
Singha wrote:UK probably has its covetous eyes on the investments and low tax parked money that ireland has attracted. so by igniting chaos in ireland, who stands to benefit
no need, the Europeans themselves have put enough legal pressures on irish institutions to make life difficult so that the investment ends up in Frankfurt or Amsterdam or Paris

after the brits, the irish will be screwed by brexit, which is why varadkar is panicking about the backstop agreement
Varadkar is something of a hate figure to the Brexiteers, who believe Indians and Irish ought to know their place - he has managed to secure a de-facto reunification of the Island without a shot being fired.
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Britshits still has a large economy. We are forgetting that. So it will be in everyone (meaning EU and Britshits) interest to have some functional arrangement. While there may be some serious shock to Britshit economy in immediate and near term, it will also be shock to EU if there is no deal due to the size of transactions between the two. But long term there will some sort of arrangement. Now everyone is playing chicken. That is all. Dirty money is Londanisthan will find a way to stay as long as britshits allow all the scums of the world freedom to stay there and do what not.

I am not a economist but see what that kind mess up things time and again, I am confident not much is going to change in long run even if there is a hard brexit.
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there will be no collapse of Britain, but a sustained period of austerity will continue - which will screw the brexiters the most
the globalist londonistanis will survive fairly ok

the problem with Ireland is that most of its produce (largely agri) passes through the uk or has uk as destination - so they are very vulnerable to raised tarrifs
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^^equally important is showing the place to british in new emergent world order. At some point in next decade britain will find itself too thinly stretched in diplomatic presence who hardly care for its presence. I wonder about the plight of NHS & NI
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yes, Britain on its current path will end up a bit like the Netherlands, only bigger
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and it would be better for the queens and princes to make Burkhas to their size. :mrgreen:
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^^hwat have all guillotines been destroyed? or chop chop square not coming to trafalgar?
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IndraD wrote:A car bum explosion in Londonderry (NI) has revived fear of Irish unrest for united Ireland.
MPs have been quick to comment that those behind attack do not represent any one, but police did express concerns over ability to quickly assemble bum. Acc to experts bum was unstable & crude but explosion was powerful enough to send fireball & shockwaves around.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/0 ... -dramatic/
I spent a week in Belfast about seven years ago and spent a day in Londonderry (Or Derry, depending if you are a Protestant).
Even at that time, the tension in the air was still quite visible. As was a wall constructed to keep the Catholics and Protestants apart.
The 'peace' appeared VERY fragile indeed
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The above was clicked by me in Londonderry. There are hundreds such murals / paintings out there.

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The wall separating Catholics and Protestants
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and every summer the Orangemen march provocatively through the catholic borders beating their drums and celebrating the victory of (protestant) king billy (William of orange and Nassau) against the catholics... rubbing it in their faces... and so it goes on

perhaps the only thing that might avoid the violence is that both protestant and catholic 'hard men' have taken to drug business and organised crime now rather than politics and will be loathe to disturb the gravy train
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yesterday watched a indonesian film named buffalo boys about a pair of exiled princes whose father a sultan is killed by the dutch.
the dutch let loose a vicious reign of terror in there, which the british colluded to keep quiet, to keep resources flowing and sea lanes open.
the spice islands(molluca islands) were precious for nutmeg.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 39153.html

this is just a relatively modern one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rawagede_massacre

the comments after article may be by a brf member https://passiontounderstand.blogspot.co ... dutch.html

there are many older war crimes on peaceful kings and their subjects

so whenever the belgians or dutch come around talking of hyuman rights, hand them a tight slap and send them off.
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Belgians used to chop off the hands of children of labourers if they didn't keep production rates up...
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Yesterday an EVM hackathon was organised in London, where a cyberhack from US (Syed Suja) was making abnormal claims of how EVMs can be tempered, and state elections along with 2014 was hacked (hence rigged) this was part organised by an unknown body called IJA UK about which even sr honchos from Indian media are unaware.
Kapil Sibbal presided over the charade. Unfortunate that now dirty war against Modi is being fought on UK soil.
Silver lining on cloud is that Delhi Police has filed a FIR on Syed Suja.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 058850.ece
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he claimed to be ex employee of ECIL (ecil has released a letter no such thing) and that his entire family was massacred by yindus and he ran away to usa in 2014. he kept his face covered and did not do any hacking but made all these statements.

he appeared on a tv screen, not in real life. probably a poorly paid ISI fellow in pindi
:rotfl:

congi social media campaign and dirty tricks dept is indeed based in london.
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May be it is getting too political and funny, but mentioning a wifi chip on millions of machines 2014 onwards is an amazing creation. I think they have hired someone from TV serial industry and not paid him enough.
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Regarding the EVM hackthon in London, can the organizers be taken to court in UK for libel, for maligning GoI, for casting aspersions on EVMs, questioning the mandate in GE2014 etc? Can some PIF, overseas friends of the BJP look at the legal options? :evil:

This should be a open & shut case as they were all unsubstantiated allegations, with not an iota of truth, no evidence. :twisted: Sue the organizers for a 1B pounds and take them to the cleaners!
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