Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby IndraD » 24 Sep 2019 16:40

Welcome to judicial activism in UK !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49810261
Supreme Court: Suspending Parliament was unlawful, 11 judges rule unanimously

So
MPs can keep blocking Brexit
Also any bill for snap poll will be defeated
Any inconvenience by remainers will be sorted through court !

UK in deep mess! And no end in sight

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Postby rsingh » 24 Sep 2019 17:05

Is it possible to put whole Brexit saga in chronological order? One line/incident. Thanks

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Postby IndraD » 24 Sep 2019 21:45

23 June 2016 - UK votes to Leave
13 July 2016 - Theresa May becomes PM
17 January 2017 - Brexit means Brexit
29 March 2017 Article 50 triggered
8 June 2017 - snap general election
8 December 2017 - birth of the backstop
6 July 2018 - Chequers, mate
25 November 2018 - backstop’s back
24 June 2019 - May bows out
24 July - the Johnson era beings
28 August - Parliament suspended
24 Sep 2019- SC rules Parliament can't be suspended

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Postby kit » 24 Sep 2019 22:01

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Postby Bart S » 24 Sep 2019 23:31

That Surprisingly Recent Time British Husbands Sold Their Wives at Market
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php ... at-market/

^Useful for the next time some Britshit claims to have brought 'civilization' or reform to India

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Postby ramana » 24 Sep 2019 23:35

Thomas Hardy wrote a novel about this.

Mayor of Casterbridge

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Postby eklavya » 24 Sep 2019 23:54

Gina Miller has defeated the British Government twice in court on the principle of parliamentary sovereignty:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eJo9DsHzjuQ

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Miller

Gina Nadira Miller(née Singh; born 19 April 1965) is a Guyanese-British business owner and activist who initiated the 2016 R (Miller) v Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union court case against the British government over its authority to implement Brexit without approval from Parliament. In September 2019 she successfully challenged the unlawful Prorogation of the UK parliament in 2019, formally supported by the former prime minister Sir John Major and the shadow attorney general, Shami Chakrabarti.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 25 Sep 2019 03:41

IndraD wrote:Welcome to judicial activism in UK !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49810261
Supreme Court: Suspending Parliament was unlawful, 11 judges rule unanimously

So
MPs can keep blocking Brexit
Also any bill for snap poll will be defeated
Any inconvenience by remainers will be sorted through court !

UK in deep mess! And no end in sight

Lovin' it.

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Postby IndraD » 26 Sep 2019 00:42

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/arti ... hem/495225
Labour party passes resolution that Kashmir should be given free hands to decide their fate , after which Indian HC cancelled their dinner with party members, overseas UK members of BJP present were gobsmacked and confessed Labour has been hijacked by islamic radicals

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 300614.cms

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby IndraD » 26 Sep 2019 03:41

Police probe after Kashmir activist says jihad is the only solution https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/m ... r-16968519

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Postby kit » 26 Sep 2019 04:51

IndraD wrote:https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/after-uks-labour-party-passes-controversial-motion-on-kashmir-mea-says-no-question-of-engaging-with-them/495225
Labour party passes resolution that Kashmir should be given free hands to decide their fate , after which Indian HC cancelled their dinner with party members, overseas UK members of BJP present were gobsmacked and confessed Labour has been hijacked by islamic radicals

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 300614.cms



The labour party must be made an example of. Any PIO in UK must cut off ties with the labour party and work against them.show what Indians can do.

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Postby kit » 26 Sep 2019 04:53

IndraD wrote:Police probe after Kashmir activist says jihad is the only solution https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/m ... r-16968519


Birmingham is One of the most radicalised places in UK !

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Postby NRao » 26 Sep 2019 07:50

Indian political parties (individually) should pass resolutions to recognize Walse, Scotland and N Ireland as part of Ireland.

Time to leave the Commonwealth. Great opportunity. They do not come very often.

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Postby Pulikeshi » 26 Sep 2019 08:00

NRao wrote:Indian political parties (individually) should pass resolutions to recognize Walse, Scotland and N Ireland as part of Ireland.

Time to leave the Commonwealth. Great opportunity. They do not come very often.


Quite the opposite - time for Commonwealth to make India the Head of this organization and let Charles find a suitable alternative such as gardening that befits his new role. There is good reason for India to lead this org which is OT here. Either this or India walks!

Indian govt shld possible fire a few diplomats in UK for failing this bad! First the silly attack on Indian embassy by the Napak and now this silly Labor resolution that smells of Birmingham and Petro-Dollars! :evil:

Finally why can’t India expel or take other diplomatic actions against the Queedom right now?
I cannot understand this Nehruesque behavior! :evil:

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Postby VikramA » 26 Sep 2019 08:11

labor is not in power. the conservatives are. indian equivalent would be the congress party passing resolution that northern ireland should be merged with ireland

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Postby Kashi » 26 Sep 2019 09:26

kit wrote:The labour party must be made an example of. Any PIO in UK must cut off ties with the labour party and work against them.show what Indians can do.


I think that is probably wishing for too much.

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Postby srin » 26 Sep 2019 09:26

We're like Hanuman who doesn't know his own powers.

Just stop bank loans for students going there to study.

This maybe Labour and not the conservatives or the Govt, but I read this in context of what was leaked about the Security Council closed door deliberations post A370 abrogation.

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Postby abhik » 26 Sep 2019 09:30

What are the chances of Corbin getting elected, TBH I'm hoping for it, will be fun to watch.

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Postby VikramA » 26 Sep 2019 09:34

if corbin gets elected india should consider releasing a nuclear policy white paper clearly stating that india's SFC has mandate to target three countries
hostile to indian interest. pakis, chini , UK. THAT will get their undies in a twist

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Postby Deans » 26 Sep 2019 10:03

IndraD wrote:23 June 2016 - UK votes to Leave
13 July 2016 - Theresa May becomes PM
17 January 2017 - Brexit means Brexit
29 March 2017 Article 50 triggered
8 June 2017 - snap general election
8 December 2017 - birth of the backstop
6 July 2018 - Chequers, mate
25 November 2018 - backstop’s back
24 June 2019 - May bows out
24 July - the Johnson era beings
28 August - Parliament suspended
24 Sep 2019- SC rules Parliament can't be suspended


After the referendum and before Article 50, the SC made an important judgement which said the referendum has to be ratified by Parliament (which alone can trigger article 50). That happened and under the terms of article 50, the UK, by default was to have left the EU on 31st March 19, but since got an extension till 31st Oct. If there is no deal, the UK leaves automatically. The EU has been increasing the price the UK has to pay for a deal as the self imposed timeline of the UK parliament runs out.

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Postby Deans » 26 Sep 2019 10:07

VikramA wrote:labor is not in power. the conservatives are. indian equivalent would be the congress party passing resolution that northern ireland should be merged with ireland


Labour is also roughly in the same state as the Cong, though Boris's stupidity and the fairly high number of seats they got in the last 2 elections makes them serious contenders in a snap poll.

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Postby IndraD » 26 Sep 2019 17:31

add to it Brexit delayed & denied. There is sizeable population who wants Brexit and thinks they are being denied what is rightfully theirs. Anger is a powerful motivation. Opinion polls continuously showing conservatives with clear lead. Hence labour chickening out when it comes to elections .
Also their recent policy like no border, free immigration, 3 days week etc has sent chills down spine of sensible people.

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Postby kit » 26 Sep 2019 18:17

Someone should really ask labour whether they support jihad as well..apparently they were on stage just before a jihadi bibi sprouted out her intentions publicly supporting jihad. :evil:

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Yagnasri » 26 Sep 2019 18:41

The SC judgement is totally against the Westminster model. They simply over ruled the law as it stood for centuries. What we now have a rule by Judges in Britshit land. Serves them well anyway.

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Postby Bart S » 26 Sep 2019 19:31

kit wrote:Someone should really ask labour whether they support jihad as well..apparently they were on stage just before a jihadi bibi sprouted out her intentions publicly supporting jihad. :evil:


Is it really necessary to ask? Answer is quite obvious.

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Postby ShyamSP » 26 Sep 2019 22:34

Some discussion on Labor party going boinks with extreme leftism and Islamism. Similar trend in US democratic party.
This seems growing trend across the world for leftist groups to truck with Islamist openly.

Satish Sharma on UK Labour Party resolution on Kashmir
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE3DHw4MQlw

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Postby eklavya » 26 Sep 2019 23:31

^^^^^
Labour is no longer the party of the traditional working class

IPSOS Mori estimates that, in the June 2017 general election, 73% of ethnic-minority voters voted Labour compared with 39% of ethnically white voters. Thirteen of the party’s 20 best performances were in heavily Muslim areas. Labour’s best chance of holding onto the Midlands lies in mobilising the Muslim vote, rather than in appealing to Jaguar LandRover workers.


Also, see the graph on page 2:

https://www.runnymedetrust.org/uploads/ ... iefing.pdf

Indians voting Tory in rising numbers (although majority voted Labour).

Support for Labour among Pakistanis and Bangladeshis at N Korean levels.

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Postby Avtar Singh » 27 Sep 2019 02:37

As someone who was glad the communists were defeated in the cold war and thought it was all over in the 90s…….. How naive…
thought I would post this; in usa thread people were wondering about the lefties in the usa.
Well the cold war was only 1 chapter, the war continued in western countries and it has been lost!!
India/Hindus better ensure they win on their own lands.

Peter Hitchens talks about his Obituary for Britain.

I think europe is also done for, do not know about usa.. at least they all have guns…

IT IS LONG BECAUSE I HAVE INCLUDE A ROUGH TRANSCRIPT

Peter Hitchens: The British Revolution WAS Televised (but few realized...)

"This is the really ridiculous thing about the modern West, we live in post revolutionary societies and in most cases we don't even realize the revolution's taken place



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KcUZFkj-mE



twitter;
whole idea of following someone is repugnant to me,
as to why people follow me you have to ask them

in liverpool had to speak in the open air because I could not find anywhere in the university
where I was allowed to speak

portsmouth university refused and they said since I was not acceptable that week might I come back another week; NO

Jonathan Swift rule applies you cant reason a man out of a position he wasnt reasoned into in the first place. Most people dont hold positions on reason they hold for protective coloration or what they were brought up with or what they saw on television. You cant reason with them generally and generally people will change their minds a LONG TIME AFTER THE EVENT which caused the change of mind….

That certainly happened with me.. I was a revolutionary socialist and then I ceased to be but there was a very long period when outwardly I still was but within I was having severe doubts which I was fighting against because I knew as anybody who seriously changes his mind that as soon as I did it I would loose an awful lot of friends become very unpopular and life would become more difficult and unpleasant and it was easier not to even open the door that lead to the staircase that lead to the exit that lead to the change of mind so you hold back, I understand this because I have done it

Is there something different now? With younger people??? there views held more rigidly?

Not a rigidity…. I was reasoned into my revolutionary position, brought up as an imperialist conservative in a navy family traditional English education about history and geography of the world and politics…… I was persuaded out of it but then found out that THOSE ARGUMENTS DID NOT HOLD UP IN PRACTICE……..as I always say about so called revolutionary communist utopia

young today have been brought (dont want to use uncomplimentary term brainwashed) up to believe a set of things…... they have been taught very systematically what to think but never been taught how to think. Whole idea of being confronted by someone that does not agree with you is not a challenge or a moment when you become curious…. It is an outrage

how can anyone dare to believe the things I have been taught are wrong… QUITE IMPRESSED BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ESCAPED IT or have managed to find their way out of it…………. not surprised by it






in a paradoxical way I am sympathetic to the plight of the people who attack me I would feel the same if someone attacked me for my views
one particular person feminist who writes me to very intensely vituperation and loathing…..
always extremely polite to her because the moment may come when she is open to argument
always sympathize with a person arguing a point with all the force they can,…... what is wrong with that every

when they get so angry, is that because they fear you are right?

Main reason people get angry is because they hear someone expressing their own suppressed doubts
that is guaranteed way of infuriating someone; saying something that might be so but never admit to themselves and have no defence against it
TURN NASTY AT THAT MOMENT, you know you have struck a blow and it is quite satisfying

young believe your are not good if you dont hold those views???….

Extension beyond Calvinism and lutherism….justification by faith alone That we are made good by our opinions rather that BY OUR ACTIONS……
use to be that you had to have the right religious opinions NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT POLITICAL OPINIONS…… many of which are now religious. The views a on global warming are now indistinguishable from religious opinions

so many opinions are held for the purpose of virtue… because we want people to believe we are better than we are… but we need to tell it apart from a serious argument

look at me how good I am I want to intervene eg syria


I dont know what identity politics means.

If you want to create loyalties you have to create groups of people who feel distinct from others and then they will feel loyal

humanities in universities…. Are they beyond help??
everything is beyond help…. In the west we live in post revolutionary societies and we dont even realize the revolution has taken place careful guardian revolution where all the buildings have
remained standing…. everything that lead to their build/design and the whole society
which supported them has been wiped away… people walk around building relatively prosperous and think a revolution must mean a red flag flying over all buildings

modern left wing revolution means; policing of thought… deadening of the academy….
Lack of serious debate or understanding… suppression of disagreement………..
EVERYBODY ACCEPTS IT AND YOU ARE SURROUNDED BY IT…
no cure for it, it is all gone education is dead…….





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This bit is from the comments section, someone had already transcribed his answers;

"This is the really ridiculous thing about the modern West, we live in post revolutionary societies and in most cases we don't even realize the revolution's taken place. It's been a Kierkegaardian Revolution in which all the buildings remain standing but everything which led to their being built and contributed to their design, and the whole society that supported them, has been wiped away.


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Rob L. 1 day ago
Btw—it’s “Kierkegaardian Revolution.” From one of PH’s columns, quoting Kierkegaard: A passionate tumultuous age will overthrow everything, pull everything down; but a revolutionary age which is, at the same time, reflective and passionless, leaves everything standing but cunningly empties it of significance’.
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And people walk around in it relatively prosperous thinking revolution must mean a red flag flying above the post office and the barracks and the railway station with commissars in the streets; it doesn't. Modern left wing revolution means this, the policing of thought, the deadening of the academy, the lack of serious debate or understanding, the suppression of disagreement, and everybody accepts it and you're surrounded by it and there is no cure for it, it's all gone.

Education is dead, the media is dead, it's almost un-watchable, most of what's put out now in particular on BBC television, it's almost impossible for an intelligent person to sit down and watch it.

But luckily for them the number of intelligent, educated people is very small so they get away with it." "[...] My advice to young people is to leave the country, and people laugh at me when I say it but I've never been more serious about anything in my life. And they ask where should I go, and I say I don't care where you go. The point about this country is, in the foothills of such a catastrophe it's not a good idea to wait around and find out what it's like."

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my advice to the young in this country is to leave the country…….
The point about this country is IT IS IN THE FOOTHILLS OF SUCH A CATASTROPHE that it is not a good idea to wait around and find out what it is like……

I am too old and I am stuck with whatever is to come I just hope I die naturally before somebody breaks into my house and beats me to death over whatever I happen to have in my wallet….
Obituary of Britain would be my black book….. death was pronounced long ago

when I first started writing about it I deluded myself I might make a difference right up to 2010
I thought I could make some difference in this country
I believed before 2010 that the most important thing the conservatives could do would be to destroy the conservative and unionist party… which is principal obstacle to conservative politics

I tried to persuade people that david cameron offered no hope of any kind… one more defeat and it would have fallen apart prompting a rethink among conservative minded people about what sort of party they wanted……… a party genuinely patriotic and conservative morally and socially
I told everyone I could in 2010 DO NOT VOTE CONSERVATIVE

since then my warnings have been entirely vindicated and everybody hates the conservative party now

all that time has been lost when me might have reversed the cultural/social and moral revolution

I am relieved of responsibility and now have no political engagement so I sit back and laugh

Britain’s long death….Does it make you said?

used to make me said when I thought I could do something about it…….. once you recognize that it is just a comedy of morons………you just watch and laugh
none of them have a clue what they are doing or the long term results

european union…. My friend christopher booker was at the end of his life in despair at the inability of those on the political right to understand the issues in which they were embroiled……. I feel in much the same way it is comical

thatcher era was economics and foreign policy, was worried about the destruction of industry but did feel the cold war position was right…… I feel that she understood there was a genuine infiltration of british politics by the communist party… which was much more important than people understand or realize now……….
But culturally/morally/educationally the era was completely void
what an opportunity to reverse circular 1065
not a single school restored not a single new one built

grammar schools restoration is no hearted… they will never do it. Encouraged ferociously by a government…but you get a small number of besieged grammar schools this becomes an argument against selection used by some short sighted some malicious people.

I outed T May some years ago, claimed to be a comprehensive person but went to grammar school which became comprehensive whilst she was there.

1970s, Shirley Williams…….excellent schools which for centuries had been at the centre of communities were smashed and became a caricature of education

franks report in the 1960s showed how good grammar and direct grant schools were for working class entry into oxford

most of the best journalists are not from graduates… but out of grammar schools straight into newsrooms.

Education is root of everything
………………………………………………..

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Postby Avtar Singh » 27 Sep 2019 02:49

SORRY CONTINUATION OF ABOVE INTERVIEW, MISSED SOME OF IT OUT;


the other thing that is root of everything IS DECLINE OF MARRIED FAMILY/STABLE FAMILY LIFE particularly among the poor

which got going soon afterwards; it is the other great revolution…
both education and family revolution affect the young completely transform upbringing

not knowing the country you are brought up in or they know things which are misleading. Taught a version of the past which is so partial that they dont understand properly what it is that went before what they now see


bloomsbury group/fabian society ideas that eventually came to pass

1970s oil shock put a brake on cultural revolution of the 1960s but then it came back
advent of tv and bbc dominated by people with the sort of fabian/bloomsbury radical ideas
bloomsbury group suddenly got control of the national transmitters….
To reach a wider audience beyond their small group


Gramsci in the 1920s
he was the very earliest on the revolutionary left to recognize that the soviet experiment was an absolute disaster…. He told his comrades in the italian communist party we cant get anywhere like this we need a cultural and moral revolution so the people we preach to will be more receptive to our ideas……..conservative prosperous working class Christians of western europe would never buy into Bolshevism….his ideas of hegemony……. taking over the ideas of society became very appealing to the new left people in universities of the 1960s

they all come together in the 1960s as a series of forces

there has been a long march, I have been on it… to spread the revolutionary message through journalism and newspapers… that was my intention I WAS MORE FOCUSED THAN MOST PEOPLE..

IT IS EXTRAORDINARY HOW MANY MEMBERS OF BLAIRS CABINET WERE MEMBERS OF COMMUNIST OT TROTSKY ORGANIZATIONS
that we know about I suspect there are more we dont know about

our ideas spread very widely we became dominant force on politics at university….…
if people wanted to talk about left wing politics it was to the international socialist they turned
I dont believe they ceased to be in favour of some sort of revolution when they went off into the world………….
They learned through life that you dont do this by selling socialist worker newspaper….marches or picket lines you do it by slow gradual process inserting yourself INTO SOCIETY AND MAKING YOURSELF INFLUENTIAL

25-30 years after leaving university there we were all in position… livid that the political government was in the hands of what was formerly the conservative party………...……….

One of the reasons for the SORT OF RED GLOW revolutionary sensation... WHEN THE BLAIR GOVERNMENT WAS ELECTED……………… all the left wing people I knew behaved as if there had been a red dawn they were completely overwhelmed by this, I just thought it was silly…………

I did know at the time THEY WERE ACTUALLY RIGHT AND IT WAS A RED DAWN


Matthew Parris said there was something quite alien about them… he his often quite perceptive because he does allow himself to think ………………


what I had been told by Philip Bassett, who had been an industrial correspondent…. Before 1997 said he was going to work for blair and we realized we were not going to have much to do with each other… friendship buster! But went for a drink together…………..
HE SAID YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW EXTENSIVE THE BLAIR PROJECT IS AND HOW DEEP IT IS

Peter Hyman who was close to Blair wrote an article in the Observer…
Blairism is far more radical and revolutionary than jeremy corbyn……………
enormous project to change the country, nobody understood how extensive it was including blair himself…. Although it emerged a few years ago he had been a Trotsky at university
at the time it would have destroyed him but now nobody cares…………..

Blair did not fully understand it because HE WAS NOT very BRIGHT but a lot of people around him understood that this was an enormous moment in history in which the thinking radical left had finally got their hands on the levers of power……..political power/cultural power/broadcasting power/educational power…………..

THEY WERE IN A POSITION TO CHANGE THE COUNTRY and they did… huge amounts of money were shifted from one place to another in ways which did transform society…
people underestimated all the cultural and moral stuff

It was a revolution

one of Blairs speech writers andrew neather……….. pointed out a real attempt to have social consequences of mass migration. He just outed it in an article in the evening standard a remarkable moment a bit like the peter hyman article in the observer… were people for once SPOKE DIRECTLY ABOUT WHAT HAD BEEN GOING ON
rather than leaving us to work it out…. An interesting revelation about how explicit it was

who can doubt it, when I was a revolutionary socialist we were very much in favour of large scale immigration NOT BECAUSE WE PARTICULARLY LIKE IMMIGRANTS…………
BUT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE DID NOT LIKE BRITAIN

and if we had large numbers of people from outside Britain it would make our task of changing the country easier… rational and make perfect sense and would make perfect sense in new labour context as well…

I have done what I can to give it widest possible circulation…
when Blair said on radio 4 yes I was a trotsky, nobody reported it, except me…
by any standard it is an interesting thing, but not a word


I love going to the cinema but I am usually disappointed


Being Britains Obituarist, can you still enjoy your Britain?

It is not a question about enjoying Britain… I am a very fortunate person by standards of most people and I live a very fortunate life… relatively insulated form an awful lot of the things that are happening to my countrymen and country women…. But it does not blind me to the fact that most people are not……….. letters/phone calls/emails FROM THE MORE BLIGHTED PARTS OF THE COUNTRY QUICKLY REMIND ME OF HOW FORTUNATE I AM







https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews ... viser.html



The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".
As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the economic benefits and need for more migrants.

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Postby ramana » 27 Sep 2019 03:13

Yagnasri wrote:The SC judgement is totally against the Westminster model. They simply over ruled the law as it stood for centuries. What we now have a rule by Judges in Britshit land. Serves them well anyway.


I thought so too.
Looks like a judicial coup on the executive in the absence of written Constipation.

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Postby V_Raman » 27 Sep 2019 05:26

I dream of the day when UK splits, rejected out of P5, and India taking that spot - karma it is!

If Labor gets elected - it will accelerate the process. We got independence with Clement Attlee. We will become part of P5 with Jeremy Corbyn!

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Postby vimal » 27 Sep 2019 06:07

Meanwhile noticed this on BBC home page.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49835830

The two children were beaten to death with sticks," police superintendent Rajesh Chandel told BBC Hindi's Shuraih Niazi. "We have registered a murder case against both the accused. They are being questioned.

Within hours of the attack early on Wednesday morning, police arrested
two upper-caste men
- Rameshwar Yadav and Hakim Yadav.


Peacefool reporter - Shuraih Niazi
upper-caste men - Rameshwar Yadav and Hakim Yadav

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Yagnasri » 27 Sep 2019 10:37

Suddenly Yadavs are upper caste ? I thought they were BCs and them coming to power was a great social revolution.

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Postby Aditya_V » 27 Sep 2019 10:45

vimal wrote:Meanwhile noticed this on BBC home page.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49835830

The two children were beaten to death with sticks," police superintendent Rajesh Chandel told BBC Hindi's Shuraih Niazi. "We have registered a murder case against both the accused. They are being questioned.

Within hours of the attack early on Wednesday morning, police arrested - Rameshwar Yadav and Hakim Yadav.


Peacefool reporter - Shuraih Niazi
upper-caste men - Rameshwar Yadav and Hakim Yadav


Not only peaceful but probably a Land of the Pure origin Brit- a distant relative of Im the dim

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Postby vimal » 27 Sep 2019 12:23

I actually followed this news a bit and it has been filtered to fit the narrative.
Hindu has the full report where it reveals that the main accused (upper caste Yadav) is mentally unstable and has a history of picking up fights and physically assaulting other people. All that detail has been erased and a mirch masala upper caste - lower caste story has been planted.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 27 Sep 2019 20:57

kit wrote:
IndraD wrote:Police probe after Kashmir activist says jihad is the only solution https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/m ... r-16968519


Birmingham is One of the most radicalised places in UK !


she was given "British Muslim of the Year" award, as per the article. :eek: Now we know who gets recognized in the UK. Arundhati Roy and a few other (Wo)Man Booker prize winners are also anti-Indian.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Roop » 28 Sep 2019 02:33

ramana wrote:
Yagnasri wrote:The SC judgement is totally against the Westminster model. They simply over ruled the law as it stood for centuries. What we now have a rule by Judges in Britshit land. Serves them well anyway.


I thought so too.
Looks like a judicial coup on the executive in the absence of written Constipation.


I agree. If this happened in the US, the problem would (at least in theory) be amenable to "Second Amendment remedies". Lacking that option (no written constipation) the Brits might want to try a spontaneous uprising -- a Boston Tea Party of their own.

If they meekly accept this and go on about their lives, they have, in effect, reverted to serfdom.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure...”. Thomas Jefferson, 1787.

The Brits are faced with just such a situation right now in their own country. This is no longer a theoretical threat to be debated in Poli-Sci classes at university. It is real life.

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Postby eklavya » 28 Sep 2019 02:45

^^^^
https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/the- ... mber-2019/

By a ratio of about two to one, the British public agree that the Supreme Court was right to rule that Boris Johnson’s prorogation of parliament was unlawful (50% agree vs 29% disagree).

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Yagnasri » 28 Sep 2019 04:59

Our Judges also tend to use the UK and other court judgements from time to time. This bites us in the a&& sometime in the future. I fear that more than anything.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby eklavya » 28 Sep 2019 11:40

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/pa ... arliament/


What did the Supreme Court decide?

The Court held that the power to prorogue Parliament is a prerogative power: “a power recognised by the common law and exercised by the Crown… on advice” of the Prime Minister. The Court did not express a view on whether Her Majesty is obliged to act on that advice.

The Court then asserted a right to exercise supervisory jurisdiction over decisions of the executive, which was said to have ample judicial precedent. They cited the Case of Proclamations (1611) and Entick v Carrington (1765). Based on these and other precedents, the Court concluded that it is possible to determine the lawful limits of the exercise of a prerogative power to prorogue Parliament.

The Court noted its historical role in protecting:

‘Parliamentary sovereignty from threats posed to it by the use of the prerogative powers and in doing so have demonstrated that prerogative powers are limited by the principle of Parliamentary sovereignty.’ [para. 41]

The Court went on:

‘The sovereignty of Parliament would, however, be undermined as the foundational principle of our constitution if the executive could, through the use of the prerogative, prevent Parliament from exercising its legislative authority for as long as it pleased.’ [para 42]

As a result, the Court determined that the power to prorogue cannot be unlimited and must, therefore be subject to judicial review.


On the legality of the prorogation, the Court concluded:

‘It is impossible for us to conclude, on the evidence which has been put before us, that there was any reason – let alone a good reason – to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament for five weeks, from 9th or 12th September until 14th October. We cannot speculate, in the absence of further evidence, upon what such reasons might have been. It follows that the decision was unlawful.’ [para. 61]

Did the Court state what should happen next?

Having determined that the prorogation was unlawful the Court then set out remedies. The question became: is Parliament prorogued or not? The Government had argued that prorogation was a “proceeding in Parliament”. Based on the Bill of Rights 1688 proceedings in Parliament cannot be questioned in any court: this is a key element of Parliamentary privilege. The Court rejected that argument:

‘The prorogation itself takes place in the House of Lords and in the presence of Members of both Houses. But it cannot sensibly be described as a “proceeding in Parliament”. It is not a decision of either House of Parliament. Quite the contrary: it is something which is imposed upon them from outside’. [para. 68]

The Court concluded that Parliament has not been prorogued. However, the Court did not set out the implications of the Order. Rather the Court stated: ‘as Parliament is not prorogued, it is for Parliament to decide what to do next.’ [para. 70]


Article 85(2)(a) of the Constitution of India has a provision for prorogation:

http://legislative.gov.in/sites/default ... ch2016.pdf


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