Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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Haresh wrote:
eklavya wrote:BBC: Did misinformation fan the flames in Leicester?

From the BBC article
"Another video was circulated with posters saying it showed a Muslim man pulling down a Hindu saffron flag outside a temple. A flag was indeed pulled down at a temple on Belgrave Road in the city on the night of Saturday 17 September and police were investigating. However, the identity of the culprit is unclear."

We have all seen the video.
It was a mob of moslems, why would this unidentified person be a part of that particular mob ?
What they are implying is that because he has not been identified then he was maybe not a moslem but a Hindu.
The fact the police did not intervene, would in my opinion be enough to conclude that he was a moslem, they wouldn't dare.
Yesterday I attended SOAR workshop.. it is EU initiative about security of places of worship. During that talk speaker was clearly trying to put Hindu and Muslims on se level.He said violence was due to Hindu extremists. I stopped him immediately and asked him name a single Hindu extremist who preached violence..Give me name of a single Hindu terrorist . We have least population in prison in Europe. It is a deliberate attempt to bring bad name to the victim of one sided violence. Did my part guys.
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https://fortune.com/2022/09/29/rishi-su ... ed-for-it/
There was one person who predicted exactly what was going to happen to the U.K. under Liz Truss’s ‘fairy tale’ economics—and he was ridiculed for it
BYCHLOE TAYLOR, September 29, 2022

The U.K.’s economic crisis shows no signs of easing, with Prime Minister Liz Truss doubling down on her near $50 billion tax cuts package that has sent markets into disarray.
Just weeks into her tenure as Prime Minister, Truss’s tax-cutting spree has pushed the U.K. into an unprecedented economic crisis, forcing interventions from the Bank of England and an unprecedented rebuke from the IMF.
The pound has crumbled to all-time lows, spooked investors have sold off $500 billion in British assets and the U.K. housing market has been driven to the edge of a precipice.
While Truss’ fiscal overhaul has been widely condemned and earned the U.K. comparisons to emerging countries from the likes of Ray Dalio, the policies were always at the heart of her leadership campaign and helped her win enough votes from around 180,000 Conservative party members to secure the top job in Parliament.
Sunak saw it coming
Her main rival for the post, Rishi Sunak, has earned some vindication over the past week, having made it clear he was ardently against cutting taxes as the two competed to take over from Boris Johnson, who resigned mid-term.
As the leadership campaign went on, Sunak made some ominous forecasts about the tax-cutting policies favored by Truss, warning that by authorizing them she would increase borrowing to “historic and dangerous levels” and add “fuel to the fire” of rising costs.
Both candidates served in Johnson’s cabinet, but their clashing views on tax cuts—and Sunak’s dire warnings about what would happen if such policies were enacted—saw him dismissed, and in some cases ridiculed, in the press.
Labeled a ‘doomster’ and ‘desperate’
Sunak, who denounced Truss’s plans as “fairy tale” economics for months before she became prime minister, was dismissed as a pessimist for voicing these views.
Nadhim Zahawi, who replaced Sunak as finance minister, labeled Sunak a “doomster” at the end of July as he endorsed Truss as the next prime minister, a term that followed Sunak throughout his leadership campaign.
“Who is Sunak kidding with his warnings about sterling?” the Spectator questioned in an August article, labeling him “desperate” for warning that sterling, gilt markets, and the FTSE would go into free fall if Truss were to significantly cut taxes.
Despite the criticism, Sunak doubled down on his warnings about the fate of the British economy if tax cuts were delivered while the cost-of-living crisis raged on.
Cutting taxes for the very wealthy would be a mistake, Sunak warned at the beginning of August, insisting that Truss’s “dangerous” plans risked “making everything worse.”
“If we don’t do that, I can tell you not only will millions of people suffer, we will get absolutely hammered when it comes to an election,” he predicted. “The British people will not forgive us for not doing that.”
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https://www.ft.com/content/55f01f1d-b16 ... 55ee81aa10
Truss faces growing Tory pressure as Labour opens 33-point poll lead
UK prime minister vows to stick to tax-cutting plans despite gilt sell-off resuming
Jim Pickard, Sebastian Payne, Tommy Stubbington and Jasmine Cameron-Chileshe in London and Jennifer Williams in Manchester 29/9/2022

Liz Truss is under mounting pressure to change course on her tax and borrowing plans after a new opinion poll gave Labour a historic lead over the Conservatives.
The prime minister was rocked by a YouGov poll which found that Labour had a 33-point lead over the Tories, the biggest gap since the 1990s.
The survey for The Times was published after Truss vowed to stick by the government’s “mini” Budget of last Friday, including £45bn of debt funded tax cuts, which sparked turmoil in financial markets.
The survey also followed Wednesday’s intervention by the Bank of England, when it launched a £65bn emergency bond-buying programme to stem a crisis in the pensions system caused by sharply rising gilt yields.
Banks have pulled mortgage products following Kwasi Kwarteng’s “mini” Budget last week while the IMF strongly criticised it. Some Tory MPs believe Truss will fire Kwarteng, but her allies dismissed that as “absolute nonsense”.
In an attempt to reassure markets that she is serious about controlling debt, Truss and Kwarteng will on Friday hold talks with Richard Hughes, chair of the Office for Budget Responsibility, which provides forecasts based on government plans.
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rsingh wrote:
Yesterday I attended SOAR workshop.. it is EU initiative about security of places of worship. During that talk speaker was clearly trying to put Hindu and Muslims on se level.He said violence was due to Hindu extremists. I stopped him immediately and asked him name a single Hindu extremist who preached violence..Give me name of a single Hindu terrorist . We have least population in prison in Europe. It is a deliberate attempt to bring bad name to the victim of one sided violence. Did my part guys.
Well done, sir. Well done in deed..
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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/ ... e-cutbacks
Hundreds of jobs to go as BBC announces World Service cutbacks
Corporation to end production of radio output in 10 languages, including Chinese, Hindi and Arabic, as it blames licence fee freeze
Jim Waterson, Thu 29 Sep 2022

Hundreds of jobs to go as BBC announces World Service cutbacks
Corporation to end production of radio output in 10 languages, including Chinese, Hindi and Arabic, as it blames licence fee freeze
The BBC has announced deep cuts to its World Service output that will result in the loss of hundreds of jobs, saying it has been forced to act by the government’s ongoing licence fee freeze.
In a move that could weaken the UK’s soft power around the world, the corporation will stop producing radio output in 10 languages, including Chinese, Hindi, and Arabic.
BBC Persian will end its audio broadcasts aimed at Iran, with the announcement coming at a time when widespread protests are taking place in the country.
There will also be a change in focus of the World Service’s English-language radio output, with more time dedicated to live news and sports programming at the expense of standalone programmes.
About 382 jobs will be lost as a result of the proposals, which the BBC said was required to make £28.5m of annual savings. The broadcaster blamed years of below-inflation licence fee freezes imposed by the government, in addition to the rapidly increasing cost of producing programmes because of the state of the economy.
Philippa Childs of the broadcasting union Bectu said she recognised the BBC needed to adapt to the digital era but that the government’s licence fee freeze has “potential ramifications for the BBC’s reputation globally”.
The World Service was traditionally funded directly by the government and was seen as a soft power tool that provided British news and information to hundreds of millions of people around the globe. This money largely dried up as part of George Osborne’s austerity measures in 2010, when the bill for World Service operations was loaded on to domestic licence fee payers.
Since then the BBC has had to go cap-in-hand to the government to seek extra funding to support specific World Service projects, with ministers providing around £400m in additional cash since 2016. However, there are doubts about how long these deals will continue. Earlier this year the BBC had to ask ministers for an emergency £4m to keep its operations in Ukraine and Russia on air.
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Actually it is difficult to pass half cooked stories these days. There are millions of other sources in media. A simple cow herder in India would surf dozens of websites to get the true picture. Be Pe Si has become irrelevant these days.
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BBC is not aimed at cow herders in India. For generations it has run subtle propaganda against Indian interests and propagates a British view of the world that it passes as the gospel truth. If it is stopped now, it is because UK position in the world is diminishing, both militarily as well as economically. They do not need BBC anymore.
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This is exactly what every EU politician is like - elitist, disconnected from people
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g.sarkar wrote:BBC is not aimed at cow herders in India. For generations it has run subtle propaganda against Indian interests and propagates a British view of the world that it passes as the gospel truth. If it is stopped now, it is because UK position in the world is diminishing, both militarily as well as economically. They do not need BBC anymore.
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Even the brits are a bit leery of the outrageously paid BBC place holders. BJ had threatened cancelling the TV licence fees altogether. A relic of the past, BBC is a dinosaur past expiry date refusing to change
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Now, that would be good riddance. Won't it?
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kit wrote:
g.sarkar wrote:BBC is not aimed at cow herders in India. For generations it has run subtle propaganda against Indian interests and propagates a British view of the world that it passes as the gospel truth. If it is stopped now, it is because UK position in the world is diminishing, both militarily as well as economically. They do not need BBC anymore.
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Even the brits are a bit leery of the outrageously paid BBC place holders. BJ had threatened cancelling the TV licence fees altogether. A relic of the past, BBC is a dinosaur past expiry date refusing to change
Social media will slaughter all of them. How many 15-20 year olds watch BBC.? It’s an abyss for them. Do you think they can charge such license fees when more than half don’t even watch it.
Plus SM allows for greater diversity of opinions through comments.
BBC is the old archaic boring uncle you say hello to at gatherings and slink away to avoid a conversation.


Give it 10 years tops. They,ll be half rotten and reminiscing abt good old days.
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https://twitter.com/INSIGHTUK2/status/1 ... _cXcau3nzg

gradually attacks on Hindu temples are becoming mainstreated in UK like sir tan se in India with no response.

Even more scary UK handles posting fear of acid attacks on Hindu women : disturbing thread

https://twitter.com/eraycr/status/15753 ... PFWS4XsTUQ
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Neela wrote:
kit wrote: Even the brits are a bit leery of the outrageously paid BBC place holders. BJ had threatened cancelling the TV licence fees altogether. A relic of the past, BBC is a dinosaur past expiry date refusing to change
Social media will slaughter all of them. How many 15-20 year olds watch BBC.? It’s an abyss for them. Do you think they can charge such license fees when more than half don’t even watch it.
Plus SM allows for greater diversity of opinions through comments.
BBC is the old archaic boring uncle you say hello to at gatherings and slink away to avoid a conversation.
Give it 10 years tops. They,ll be half rotten and reminiscing abt good old days.
I remember paying a fee to watch TV in UK. There was a fine if you were caught watching without paying this fee, and the state tried to detect people who were evading this fee. Currently, there is a TV license fee of 150 pounds per year. I understand that most of this fee goes to finance BBC. Now, BBC has programs for the British population. But the fee also finances their free external broadcasts that is not reachable to the local population. That causes resentment of the locals that ultimately has to pay for the external services that is free to overseas audiences.
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IndraD wrote:https://twitter.com/INSIGHTUK2/status/1 ... _cXcau3nzg

gradually attacks on Hindu temples are becoming mainstreated in UK like sir tan se in India with no response.

Even more scary UK handles posting fear of acid attacks on Hindu women : disturbing thread

https://twitter.com/eraycr/status/15753 ... PFWS4XsTUQ
If Rishi Sunak ever wanted to establish his Hindu card, he could have gone there and walk in support of the Hindus in defiance of the Muslim terrorists and shame the police for suggesting that Hindu families hide their identities like Jewish families during the Holocaust.
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some friends watching live tv through fire stick to avoid TV fees does it work that way cos law states if you watch on any device you need to pay https://www.gov.uk/tv-licence
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This ones a keeper., so much for one of "mouthpieces" of democracy and "Hooman rights"
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... arian-zeal
Whisper it, but it was the folly of Brexit that paved the way for Truss’s crazy libertarian zeal
Will Hutton, 2 Oct 2022

Some “plan for growth”. Millions face futures they neither deserved nor were prepared for, so suddenly has disaster hit. Mortgage payers will be unexpectedly hammered. All homeowners face a sharp fall in house prices in which most of their wealth is held. Worse, those dependent on functioning public services and benefits confront privation and even destitution.
Compelled to find up to £40bn of spending cuts in November to pay for Liz Truss’s unwanted tax cuts, the Treasury has to cripple the state to restore financial credibility. Capital investment, the science budget, new schools and hospitals, uprating benefits and public sector wages in line with inflation – forget them all. Instead of a stimulus to growth, Britain faces intense economic and social dislocation and ongoing stagflation. Austerity is back, this time on an epic scale.
Whisper it – this is where Brexit has inexorably led. There is no Brexit that can work congruent with deeply held British values, beliefs and economic interests. A democratic vote has transmuted into a rightwing coup, culminating in a destructive libertarian programme, an attempt to shrink a state the right considers bloated, to eliminate the last remnants of regulation, to try to drive taxes down, however vital to sustain public services. All in the name of “liberating enterprise” and forcing “self-reliance” on what the Brexit right consider a lazy, cushioned workforce. The line from Brexit to last week’s debacle is straight and obvious.
The EU never ranked in the top 10 of voter concerns: it was an obsession of the British right who saw it as emblematic of “big state” regulation; worse, it was from abroad. Yes, the EU, in trying to create common product, service and professional standards across member states, along with allied freedoms to secure the benefits of a continental economic area, perforce has to regulate. But to American libertarians, so influential on the British right, any regulation is necessarily coercive, limits freedom and is morally damnable. These libertarians live in a parallel universe in which the only moral responsibility is to oneself: even the pronoun “we” is coercive because it subsumes the individual “I”. If you think that, then any EU directive for any purpose must necessarily be opposed to the last.
Worse, the EU became a source of law that did not originate in the House of Commons, which exists in rightwing circles to confer prerogative power to the English upper class via the Tory party. The EU may be creating a continental market, high-quality standards and continent-wide competition, but it threatened an idiosyncratic conception of liberty, and a self-interested idea of sovereignty.
This was a minority preoccupation – until immigration jumped in salience. Suddenly, the prospect emerged of an alliance between English libertarian toffs and an elderly, white working class. Add the malevolent genius of Nigel Farage, together with plausible Brexiters on the left, like the charismatic RMT boss Mick Lynch, and the rest is history.
EU membership was an unacknowledged boon: it had opened up 40 years of economic growth that allowed Britain to become a much more liberal society while avoiding the tough issues in addressing the deep dysfunctions of its capitalism. The better part of the City boomed, offered a continental hinterland, while multinational investors turned round swathes of the British economy – from the car to the food industry – able to export freely from low-cost Britain into the EU single market. Companies such as Vodafone could become multinationals, turning British standards into global standards via the EU’s blessing. Our regions were propped up by generous EU funding. Longstanding weaknesses, from endemic financial short-termism to a chronically weak training system, were disguised. Where weakly regulated Britain did not act, from securing clean beaches to promoting security at work, the EU stepped in to hide British failings.
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During the Raj, UK imported food for 9 months per year from the colonies, in exchange it exported manufactured goods to them freely. (For example, it was difficult for the colonies to produce industrial goods, refer to Tata Steel making losses before and after WWI. This was done by taxing the local producer.) With free trade agreements with those countries, they may think that the happy days are here again. Unfortunately, this is not going to happen.
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united Ireland event in Dublin ask for NI territory through border poll https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63094415
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Oct 1, 2022:GBP and EURO collapse continues. EU/UK leaders on borrowed time

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/02/worl ... onomy.html
How the U.K. Finance Minister Came to Ignore Finance Experts
Kwasi Kwarteng, the chancellor of the Exchequer, faces widespread anger over the tax cuts he and Liz Truss have pushed, but their history of dismissing the economic establishment goes back years.
Stephen Castle, Oct. 2, 2022

LONDON — With inflation surging, borrowing costs rising and Britain teetering on the verge of recession, many politicians would take all the expert advice on offer if handed the stewardship of the country’s economy.
But when Kwasi Kwarteng became Britain’s chancellor of the Exchequer last month, his first act was to fire the Treasury’s most senior official, Tom Scholar.
Just a few weeks later, it is Mr. Kwarteng’s job that is on the line, with critics calling for his resignation after his disastrous announcement of tax cuts sent markets into a tailspin.
After announcing unfunded tax cuts, bypassing a system of independent scrutiny for government economic plans, and brushing aside warnings, Mr. Kwarteng is being blamed for precipitating Britain’s biggest financial crisis in years.
Yet even after the pound plunged and his announcement had been nicknamed the “Kamikwasi budget,” he doubled down on his plan to cut taxes — including for the highest earners — telling the BBC that there was “more to come.”
On Sunday, the prime minister, Liz Truss, told the BBC that the government should have “laid the ground better” for the announcement, conceded that the cabinet was not consulted in advance on reducing tax for higher earners and described the cut as Mr. Kwarteng’s decision.
Mr. Kwarteng reversed the most controversial element of the plan on Monday morning, however, saying the government would not go ahead with tax cuts for the highest earners. It was a striking reversal after a week of being battered by economists, markets and the opposition Labour Party.
He will be back in public discussing the policies when he speaks on Monday afternoon at the Conservative Party conference in Birmingham.
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Truss already less popular than disgraced Johnson – poll link
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An odd article, no where is Hizb Ut Tarir mentioned


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how- ... -sljw8zjht

https://ukdaily.news/leicester/how-the- ... 11330.html

How the far right fanned the flames in Leicester

An unsavoury alliance is being formed by Hindu and white British nationalists, reports Laith Al-Khalaf

Tommy Robinson is supporting Hindus in Leicester

Laith Al-Khalaf

Sunday October 02 2022, 12.01am, The Sunday Times

Tommy Robinson may not be the first person you’d expect to find defending the Hindu community. The far-right agitator’s first foray into politics was in 2004, when he joined the British National Party, which at the time did not allow people from ethnic minorities to be members and only dropped its commitment to forced repatriation of immigrants five years earlier.

Yet earlier this month, while out on a countryside dog walk, an out-of-breath Robinson, 39, recorded a shaky video blog from his smartphone, launching a passionate defence of British Hindus.

“We have all grown up with Hindus. We know who they are, we know how peaceful they are,” said Robinson, in the video, which was posted on YouTube on September 21.

Muslim protestors outside the Durga Bhawan Hindu Centre

Robinson said he was looking to rally football fans to travel to Leicester to protect Hindus from an “onslaught from Pakistani Muslims” following clashes in the city between the two groups earlier this month triggered by a cricket game between Pakistan and India.

“It’s the Pakistani Muslims coming in from Birmingham, it’s the Pakistani Muslims travelling from different cities to attack Indian Hindus, to terrorise them in their homes and to target their women,” said Robinson. Three days earlier, on Gettr, a social media platform frequented by many on the far right, Robinson said he had contacted members of the Hindu community, offering support and protection from men across the UK.

Last month, police received reports of violence perpetrated by both Muslims and Hindus in Leicester. On September 17, about 300 masked Hindu youths marched through Green Lane Road, where there are multiple Muslim-owned businesses. Three days later, a group of more than 200 Muslims gathered outside a Hindu temple in Smethwick, where one man was arrested for carrying a knife. A total of 47 people were arrested, with nine so far charged. Amid the conflict, the British far right seems to have found an opportunity to exacerbate tensions between the two communities.

“Robinson comes from a part of the far right that sees Islam as its main priority. They are very happy to take the side of Hindu extremists,” says Nick Lowles, founder of Hope Not Hate, an anti-extremist think tank. “The plans to bring football mobs . . . into Leicester and defend places of worship is clearly incendiary and provocative — it’s designed for conflict against the Muslim community.”

Paul Golding founded the far right group Britain First, which focuses on an anti-Islamic message framed as patriotism

While it is unclear whether any football fans did in the end travel to Leicester, Lowles says the request endangered Hindus. “It plays into the hands of extremists in the Muslim community,” he says. “It confirms to them the Islamophobic nature of what is happening.”

Since the election of India’s Hindu nationalist prezsident Narendra Modi in 2014, tensions between Hindus and Muslims in India have grown significantly, resulting in many violent clashes. That violence appears to have spread to the diaspora, including in the UK, with the far right only too happy to exploit the historical conflicts between the communities.

Over the past five years, Robinson, born Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and from Luton, has been forming alliances with anti-Islam activists in India. In 2018, he interviewed the Hindu nationalist activist Tapan Ghosh, who once said it should be the United Nations’ responsibility to limit the birth rate of Muslims. The pair agreed that Islamist extremism represents “true Islam”.

Robinson was also due to be interviewed by Nupur Sharma, a Delhi-based activist and editor of the website Opindia.

Mayor blames Leicester unrest on social media disinformation

During the Leicester violence, Sharma tweeted to her half a million followers that she would be interviewing Robinson to “call out blatant Islamic violence in Leicester”. “Hindus need allies, and we don’t have the luxury of perfection when Hinduphobia is so mainstream,” she said.

The interview was postponed after British Hindus contacted Sharma to warn that the interview could inflame tensions.

“It might seem like a strange alliance but it is strategic — they both share a common enemy . . . Islam,” says Christophe Jaffrelot, professor of Indian politics at King’s College London. “Both movements share a lot of sincere similarities — they can be authoritarian and illiberal.” According to Jaffrelot, since the 1930s Hindu nationalists have admired nationalist experiments in Europe. Recently, both Hindu and European nationalists have adopted the belief that Islam is attempting to conquer their respective nations.

Others on the far right have seen the interfaith conflict as a key recruitment tool. Ashlea Simon is the chairwoman of Britain First, an anti-Islamic group founded in 2011 whose “Christian patrols” invaded British mosques. “These things are kind of a blessing,” she said in a video on Gab, another platform used by the far right. “It’s kind of good that white people and the supposed far right aren’t involved at all because this is one ethnic community against another . . . Ordinary people, sat on Twitter, are seeing this and that’s a good thing for nationalist politics, that’s a great thing for teaching people about the importance of demographics.”

Ashlea Simon spoke of the unrest as being an excellent recruitment tool for groups like Britain First

“There is this feigned outrage about what is going on,” says Lowles. “But really they are rubbing their hands with glee . . . and from their perspective they hope that this will help wake people up to the ‘horrors of multiculturalism’. It’s good business because they hope it will scare white people into their ranks.”

Both Simon and Paul Golding, the leader of Britain First, claim the example of Leicester shows the uniquely violent nature of Islam. “You can see who the aggressors are here and it’s not the Hindu community,” said Simon. Like Robinson, Golding took to Twitter to threaten Leicestershire police, whom he refers to as the “local Gestapo” and believes to be on the side of Islamist extremists. He said he would bring a “battle bus” of supporters to protect white communities. In November last year, Britain First drove buses through Leicester with the phrase “putting British people first” splashed across the front.

Others on the far right seem to be using envy as a rallying cry. Mark Collett, the founder of Patriotic Alternative, complained that the white community did not have similar mobs of youths willing to protect their racial interests. “Both of those groups can put what looks like a small army of young men of fighting age on the street. I don’t think there is any white community out there that could put that sort of force on the streets,” he said in one video.

There are fears that with the Hindu festival of Diwali approaching, clashes could return to Leicester’s streets. “Extremist groups will use this to show that the danger is on our doorstep,” says Lowles. “They are definitely trying to exploit this because trouble is good news for them.”
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there are similar articles from NYT BBC which hold fascist Hindus responsible for Leicester riots.

Same content, tone...Mudi since 2014 is fanning Hindu right..usual words Hitler, Fascist, Far right, bulldozer, Yogi, house demolition, encounter will be tossed all over then article will stop short of accusing Hindus for 9/11.
These articles are then platformed by Telegraph India, Wire etc.


Tensions That Roiled English City Have Roots in India https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/02/worl ... ce-uk.html

Leicester clashes have roots in India https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/le ... id/1890023
Haresh wrote:There are fears that with the Hindu festival of Diwali approaching, clashes could return to Leicester’s streets. “Extremist groups will use this to show that the danger is on our doorstep,” says Lowles. “They are definitely trying to exploit this because trouble is good news for them.”
Are there plans to foment trouble by Islamists during Diwali and Hindus will be blamed?
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Just a coordinated response for Ukraine.

It's going to get a lot worst before it subsidies to the typical low level Anti India action.
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Leicester violence: "There are only 359 British Hindus in jail out of a population of 1.5 million."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHOodX8NF3E
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This winter will be tough for the entire Western Europe including the UK. The choice already is heat or eat. Without proper heating a large population of the elderly will perish. After 1945, when the German population was already weak due the long WWII, the first winter (45-46) was very cold and many perished due to hunger and cold. People survived by eating cats and dogs and burning furniture. The only people with food were the farmers and people sold them their family heirlooms to buy food. Burning furniture and wood is no longer possible as the old fashioned stove heating (Offenheizung) has been replaced by the more convenient central heating. But central heating does not work without imported gas or heating oil. See:
https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy ... gy-crisis/
Analysis: Forget showering, it’s eat or heat for shocked Europeans hit by energy crisis
EURACTIV.com with Reuters, Aug 26, 2022

No more ironing, limited oven use and showering at work – Europeans are trying to keep their energy use down but the bills keep climbing.
As wholesale gas and electricity prices surge, millions of people in Europe are now spending a record amount of their income on energy, data show.
In the east England town of Grimsby, Philip Keetley didn’t turn on his cooling fan at home as Britain sweltered under a record heat-wave this summer.
A look at his bank account showed he couldn’t afford to.
“The cost of living has increased and yet you’re still expected to live on the money provided for when there wasn’t a crisis … I either can have my heating on or eat,” Keetley said.
Citizens in other European countries too are voluntarily taking action to cut consumption as gas, electricity and fuel prices sky-rocket due to war in Ukraine, sanctions on Russia and the aftermath of the coronavirus pandemic.
The benchmark European gas price has soared 550% in the past 12 months. The cost of energy for British consumers will rise by 80% from October, regulator Ofgem said on Friday (26 August), taking average annual household bills to 3,549 pounds (€4,194).
European governments have rushed to offer aid, but data shows the assistance hasn’t made a significant difference to households.
This winter, Britons will spend an average 10% of their household income on gas, electricity and other heating fuels as well as domestic vehicle fuels, mainly petrol and diesel, twice the amount in 2021, according to Carbon Brief’s calculations of official data.
This makes the current energy crisis more severe than those of the 1970s and 1980s. An oil producer’s oil embargo and the Iranian revolution in 1979 caused blackouts and long queues in petrol stations in the West. At the peak of that crisis in 1982, people in the UK paid 9.3% of their income on energy.
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Great work rsingh ji !
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Haresh wrote:Leicester violence: "There are only 359 British Hindus in jail out of a population of 1.5 million."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHOodX8NF3E
En plus not for hate crime or murder of people of other faiths. Most are for financial crimes......old habit.
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The Churchill cult is out of control: Tariq Ali on Winston Churchill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb0BKH3z1zs
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Indian-origin UK minister Suella Braverman blames Leicester riots on new migrants
https://indianexpress.com/article/world ... s-8192447/
The unexamined drive towards multiculturalism as an end in itself combined with the corrosive aspects of identity politics has led us astray,” Braverman told the audience of Tory MPs and members.
Britain’s Indian-origin Home Secretary, Suella Braverman, has blamed the recent “riots” in Leicester following an India-Pakistan cricket match on uncontrolled migration into the UK and the failure of newcomers to integrate
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Haresh wrote:The Churchill cult is out of control: Tariq Ali on Winston Churchill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb0BKH3z1zs
better to have youtube posted

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https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 981374.ece
India-U.K. free trade pact may miss October deadline
Suhasini Haidar, NEW DELHI, OCTOBER 07, 2022

Officials appear to shy away from Diwali deadline to conclude FTA negotiations
The India-U.K. Free Trade Agreement (FTA) may not be ready in time for its “Diwali” or October-end deadline indicated both New Delhi and London, as India reacted sharply to British Home Secretary Suella Braverman’s statement linking the FTA with migration issues and the U.K. government said “quality”, not “speed” would determine the FTA’s launch.
Responding to questions at the weekly media briefing, Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said that Diwali (October 24) was only “a goal”, seemingly downplaying the time-bound negotiating deadline that had been set in the India-U.K. joint statement in April this year, as well as comments by then-U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson to “get it done by Diwali”.
“There is interest on both sides to conclude the FTA at the earliest,” said Mr. Bagchi replying to a specific question about the timeline. “I think Diwali was set as a goal, but... that is a goal. I understand that intense discussions are under way and are continuing,” he added.
When asked, the British government also declined to give a direct commitment on the timing for the FTA announcement, which was expected to coincide with a proposed visit by Prime Minister Narendra Modi to the U.K. It is understood that the U.K. and India are still targeting the end of October for concluding the “majority of talks” on the FTA, without necessarily signing the agreement.
“We remain clear that we won’t sacrifice quality for speed and will only sign when we have a deal that meets the U.K.’s interests,” a British government spokesperson said in response to a question from The Hindu, stressing that the trade deal is a “huge opportunity to deepen our already strong trading relationship worth £24.3bn a year, which will benefit businesses and sectors right across both our countries.”
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I had impression the they needed FTA after British it. It was UK who wanted fk do as quick as possibles. And now they are threatening. What a harakiri.
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Liz Truss is more of a Washington stooge compared to BoJo since she lacks even the quirky personality he had. As evidenced by her statements on Ukraine and use of N weapons.

We have entered a phase of US using coercive diplomacy to muzzle India and UK relations with India will follow that template.

Suella's statements are malicious and intended to derail the FTA. Anti Hindu riots and press articles are designed to send a message to Modi who is very popular among Indian diaspora.

Expect to see Paki visits to UK with all the pomp and patronage of the king very soon.
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Not having FTA should be a bigger loss to them.

If Suella is complaining about GoI not taking back illegal immigrants, we should say - sure we will take them back quicker - but just get rid of visas altogether (UK can continue have an online/electronic visa like many other countries).

About India having the most number of overstayers maybe someone should remind her that India also has the maximum number of people (China with its covid zero doesn't count; by the time they exit covid zero India will be in top position).
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I would lose absolutely NO sleep over this. UK is no 18 in the list of our trading partners,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... s_of_India

Let alone Mrs Braveman and her thoughts, her whole cabinet can go and take a dive!
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TBH India should focus more on the Scandis FTA to get more tech into our market and scale it. UK can offer what?! Only as long as they are willing to be a market for us. We don’t need unnecessary financial fraud and tax evasion techniques than we do already. Also I hate this more visas for Indian techie etc. Best is to encourage outsourcing. With the economy in doldrums that will be more acceptable and necessary. I know a few HR here who are actually under pressure to hire more from their captive units in India than locally due to cost and success of WFH.
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yensoy wrote:Not having FTA should be a bigger loss to them.

If Suella is complaining about GoI not taking back illegal immigrants, we should say - sure we will take them back quicker - but just get rid of visas altogether (UK can continue have an online/electronic visa like many other countries).

About India having the most number of overstayers maybe someone should remind her that India also has the maximum number of people (China with its covid zero doesn't count; by the time they exit covid zero India will be in top position).
They managed to arm twist Bakistan in to signing deal about refugees. They they thought India is no different.
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It’s hardly an unreasonable request.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... is-johnson
Britain is slowly waking up to the truth: Brexit has left us poorer, adrift and alone
Now Boris Johnson’s gone, all but the most hardened of leavers have been forced to see through those rosy visions of life outside the EU
John Harris, Sun 9 Oct 2022

Last week, having whiled away two joyous days at the Tories’ conference in Birmingham, I spent a long afternoon an hour’s drive away, in the cathedral city of Worcester. The plan was to sample the mood of the kind of place once considered to hold the key to British elections: remember “Worcester woman”, the swing-voting stereotype talked up in the New Labour years? But I was also there to gather more evidence of how much the UK’s current woes are affecting the kind of average-to-affluent places that might once have weathered any economic storm.
Not entirely surprisingly, people said they were worried and scared. Some talked about grownup children suddenly terrified that a mortgage is beyond their reach; others described a new and unsettling habit of using sparing amounts of gas and electricity. The autumn’s increasingly awful mood music – from talk of cancelled local Christmas markets to the possibility of three-hour power cuts – informed just about every conversation I had.
Mention of politics drew some very interesting responses indeed. “I just miss Boris,” said Julie, who works at the city-centre branch of Boots, and told me she had long since got used to conversations with her customers about the impossibility of their living costs. As she and a few other people saw it, Johnson had successfully managed the Covid vaccination programme, and brought some pizzazz and humour to the boring world of politics, which had now reverted to type. They also voiced something I have heard a few times lately: a belief that he had represented the last hope of Brexit somehow opening the way to a happier and more prosperous country, a dream that died when he left Downing Street.
Clearly, that is a very generous opinion of a man who told just as many self-serving lies about leaving the EU as he did about most other things. At the heart of some lingering fondness for him, perhaps, is a lot of people’s refusal to admit how much they were duped. But that view of life before and after Johnson highlights something that is now settling among all but the most hardened Brexit supporters: a quiet, slightly tortured realisation that all those optimistic visions of life outside the EU are not going to materialise, even if the crises triggered by Vladimir Putin eventually subside.
British people being British people, this is not yet a matter of any widespread anger. Though they probably ought to, no one is about to charge into the streets and demand any kind of Brexit reckoning. But if you want to understand the current political moment – and some of the reasons why the Conservatives have so suddenly and spectacularly imploded – here is a strangely overlooked part of the story.
Whoever people blame for our current predicament, one vivid fact is inescapable. The future that 17 million voters bought into six years ago has now collapsed into its precise opposite. In the summer of 2016, let us not forget, Johnson, Michael Gove and the former Labour MP Gisela Stuart jointly put their names to an article in the Sun which insisted that once Brexit happened, “the NHS will be stronger, class sizes smaller and taxes lower. We’ll have more money to spend on our priorities, wages will be higher and fuel bills will be lower.”
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Meanwhile, trying to wriggle out of Brexit’s endless constraints in pursuit of growth threatens to tie the government in knots. Suella Braverman, a home secretary who embodies all of modern Conservatism’s nastiness and introversion, says she wants to cut net migration to “tens of thousands”. But Downing Street has been signalling that it wants to liberalise the UK’s immigration system, a move that would definitely send a certain kind of Brexit voter into paroxysms of fury. Everything is a mess because the logic of Truss and her allies’ position cannot hold: as the Brexit revolution that upturned Conservative politics and brought them to power unravels, the reason for their success is also a guarantee of their failure.
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sanjaykumar wrote:It’s hardly an unreasonable request.
True, and I am sure GoI is cooperating to the extent possible. But if Pakis want to infiltrate India through overstayers claiming to be Indians, it is very much the duty of GoI/MEA to ensure that every overstayer is fully vetted and ascertained to be Indian before being sent home. That is a process and Suella is probably not too happy about it.
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