Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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Good. Now shut down the British Council and any other organizations that go beyond the brief of diplomatic presence.
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We can quickly bring them to negotiation, by tightening the student recruitment from India. There are twin benefits:
1.We can put a list of 'accredited' institutions and allow students only to this institutions. All the bogus marketing of universities will be gone. The irony is they don't have tutors for technical teaching in most of the Uni's and they hire Indian Tutors on contract basis to teach online.
2.This will help in controlling the forex outgo and save the gullible parents from wasting their hard earned money and spoiling their children's future.
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https://www.opindia.com/2023/03/india-r ... ocal-move/
Barricades, external security from British High Commission and British envoy’s residence in Delhi removed after Khalistani attack in London
Special security measures such as road diverter, speed breaker, bunkers, PCR vans and local police stationed outside the premises of the British High Commission and the residence of the British High Commissioner have been removed
OpIndia Staff, 22 March, 2023

In a dramatic move, the Indian authorities have removed security from in front of the British High Commission and the residence of the British High Commissioner in Delhi. The decision, which came as a surprise, is being seen as a reaction to the recent attack on the Indian High Commission in London by Khalistani extremists. Indian authorities have removed barricades from in front of the British High Commission and the British High Commissioner’s residence and removed all external security that was provided to the British mission in India.
Apart from removing barricades and bunkers installed in front of the gate of the British High Commission on Shantipath at Chanakyapuri diplomatic enclave, the team of Delhi police along with PCR vans stationed there has also been removed. Similarly, the barricades installed in front of the residence of British High Commissioner Alex Ellis at Rajaji Marg at Meena Bagh in the Lutyens Delhi area also have been removed by Delhi police.
Special security measures such as road diverter, speed breaker, bunkers made of sand bags, PCR vans and local police stationed outside the premises have been removed, visuals posted on social media show. Reportedly, the Indian govt is of the opinion that the British High Commission in India is already in the safe zone, and there is no requirement for such additional security measures.
This comes as a reciprocal move by India after the UK govt failed to provide security to the Indian High Commission office in London on Sunday when the office was attacked by Khalistani elements. The development comes after an assessment at the highest level of the government on the issue.
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This is just not enough. The best bet is to go after the money. Target Indian students going there to study, eliminate FTA talks, and get to their H&D by leaving the Commonwealth PDQ.
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sometimes the Chinese playbook is more effective - we should have ITBP commandos posted and then during one such protest - few of these khali dogs should be pulled inside the consulate and arrested under CrPC for being on Indian soil and attacking India and its people. They should not be released unless the crown prosecution gives sovereign guarantee of charging them under some tough sections. Maybe the one idiot who climbed the terrace should have been pulled and arrested or just pushed down.
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Doing the equal equal is a very small step. Not just quitting but creating an Anti-British-Colonial Organization in place of Commonwealth along with that arming Argentina with whatever weapons they need will be a good step forward and prevent repeat of such incidents.
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siva509 wrote:We can quickly bring them to negotiation, by tightening the student recruitment from India. There are twin benefits:
1.We can put a list of 'accredited' institutions and allow students only to this institutions. All the bogus marketing of universities will be gone. The irony is they don't have tutors for technical teaching in most of the Uni's and they hire Indian Tutors on contract basis to teach online.
2.This will help in controlling the forex outgo and save the gullible parents from wasting their hard earned money and spoiling their children's future.
Should be done anyways to prevent our students getting duped in broad daylight.
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siva509 wrote:We can quickly bring them to negotiation, by tightening the student recruitment from India. There are twin benefits:
1.We can put a list of 'accredited' institutions and allow students only to this institutions. All the bogus marketing of universities will be gone. The irony is they don't have tutors for technical teaching in most of the Uni's and they hire Indian Tutors on contract basis to teach online.
2.This will help in controlling the forex outgo and save the gullible parents from wasting their hard earned money and spoiling their children's future.
Indians are also one of the biggest tourist vistors to Britain, gov't should issue travel advisory against travelling to Britain unless neccessary to do so siting attack on Indian embassy, and tax indians going there for tourism purposes.
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Nothing much will happen. India won't be leaving the Commonwealth, stopping students/tutoring, etc. Too much gravy.
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RoyG wrote:Nothing much will happen. India won't be leaving the Commonwealth, stopping students/tutoring, etc. Too much gravy.
there are a few advantages for professionals moving around if from commonwealth countries wrt UK , dont think there is a reciprocal one from India ! ..some colonial vestige
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A sales delegation from Brahmos Aerospace pitching some of their quality products to Argentina is need of the hour for Make in India for the world.
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Simples.. India should invite the leader of Ireland for a visit and show the map of Ireland including Northern Ireland. Also show maps of Argentina as also including the Malvinas and mark all British territories overseas as 'disputed'.
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Even simpler ... a statement from us that we're not in-principle opposed to Khalistan within UK should do the trick.
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Travel advisory seems entirely reasonable right now, considering that if embassy is not safe so can’t be tourists and students and professionals. Most people in London and Manchester have seen these K stanis march and parade with naked swords denouncing India , Oxford street and Piccadilly being one of their favourite places. Instead of just tit for tat better to offer genuine reasons;-). Also high time we had armed guards in that balcony near the flag, it is way too exposed and a couple of steel darts in the musharrafs will stop these antics. The Met and Khan are more interested in Ramadan these days …
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RoyG wrote:Nothing much will happen. India won't be leaving the Commonwealth, stopping students/tutoring, etc. Too much gravy.
we will leave but not just now

because leaving now will be seen as a tantrum

our time will come....
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Manish_P wrote:Image
Good, now please unearth a murti right by the gate and build a small temple there.

Also someone at the Indian embassy in London should step out in the balcony with a big zoom lens, and take clear frontal pictures of everyone they possibly can. Run full facial recognition, identify these fellows, cancel their OCIs/visas and don't let them back into India. If they are Indian citizens, arrest them when they land in India. Put their kins on a watch list. Publicize these actions through social media. Much of this nonsense will stop though of course there will be a fraction of individuals with no ties to India. For these, tell them to go bark up some other tree because they have no locus standi.
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IMHO India provides security far above what is mutually required to the foreign missions in India. The security provided should be on a reciprocal basis and it not just one sided. Beyond that it is up to the missions to arrange for their own security. The same goes for providing parking spaces.
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/secu ... 230322.htm
London: Kept at bay, Khalistani protestors hurl objects at Indian Mission
Aditi Khanna, March 22, 2023

Around 2,000 protesters waving Khalistan flags descended upon the Indian High Commission here on Wednesday for a planned demonstration and hurled objects and chanted slogans amid a heightened security presence and barricades.
The Indian High Commission countered by unfurling an additional humongous tricolour on the roof of its building, which seemed to rile the protesters further who then hurled coloured flares and water bottles towards the mission building and at police officers and media covering the protest.
Scotland Yard reacted by further blockading the area outside India House and several additional uniformed and mounted officers on horseback were deployed immediately to the area.
Unlike the violent disorder on Sunday when India House came under attack, the protesters were barricaded across the road with uniformed officers standing guard and patrolling the area throughout.
The protesters, including turbaned men, and some women and children, had been bused in from different parts of the UK and chanted pro-Khalistan slogans.
The organisers used mikes to make anti-India speeches and attack the Punjab Police for alleged human rights violations.
The speeches switched between English and Punjabi to make allegations of Indian media bias for calling them fringe elements and backed by Pakistan's spy agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).
Banners for the so-called National Protest , organised by groups such as the Federation of Sikh Organisations (FSO) and Sikh Youth Jathebandia, have been circulating on social media since before a protest on Sunday, which ended in violent disorder at India House.
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srin wrote:Even simpler ... a statement from us that we're not in-principle opposed to Khalistan within UK should do the trick.
Also, we must recommend a Pakistan too inside the UK.
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ernest wrote:A sales delegation from Brahmos Aerospace pitching some of their quality products to Argentina is need of the hour for Make in India for the world.
In addition, the LCA is in the running for their air force requirement.

According to the news, HAL is in process of finding replacements for the UK-origin components. \

Hopefully they will go with the LCA rather than the JF-17 junk.
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KL Dubey wrote:..
Hopefully they will go with the LCA rather than the JF-17 junk.
Uncle SAM, who supplies the engines, will block it.
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I don't think that US has blocked re export of the engine with the aircraft.
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They will not allow it to be sold to an enemy of their cousins-across-the-pond
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^^Anything can happen, but it doesn't work like that. It is only the UK that opposes Argentine military modernization - and hence a good way to shaft these guys by supporting Argentina.

LCA: it is only the UK refusing to supply parts for the Argentina order. As for the US - 90% of the the Argentina air force is US supplied aircraft, and even the non-US aircraft mostly have US-made engines. Additionally, Argentina is also testing refurbished F-16s from Denmark for this purchase.

It would be absolutely foolish to deny Argentina the LCA and the F-16. Their only remaining option would be to go to the Chinese, leading to JF-17s flying around in the south atlantic.
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Pratyush wrote:I don't think that US has blocked re export of the engine with the aircraft.
It's part of their law and buyers are bound by it unless a waiver is very specifically given

re export and NDA are iron clad contracts and you mess with either at your very great peril
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https://twitter.com/HinduHate/status/16 ... 67264?s=20 Piers Corbyn, elder brother of Jeremy Corbyn, asking for release of Avtar Singh Khanda, a #Khalistani who vandalised #Indian flag at Indian HC, London and calls this a "beginning of a massive struggle which must overthrow the #Modi regime". Ends with "victory for #Khalistan".
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Manish_P wrote:
KL Dubey wrote:..
Hopefully they will go with the LCA rather than the JF-17 junk.
Uncle SAM, who supplies the engines, will block it.
This has China written all over it. Expect them to promise they moon, such as supporting another misadventure in Falklands. China is aiming to tie down US and UK in as many theatres as possible, to ease their path in Taiwan.
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Rashmi Samant report on Violence on Hindus in Leicester:

https://www.cdphr.org/Report-Final.pdf
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chetak wrote:
Pratyush wrote:I don't think that US has blocked re export of the engine with the aircraft.
It's part of their law and buyers are bound by it unless a waiver is very specifically given

re export and NDA are iron clad contracts and you mess with either at your very great peril
Contracts and NDAs are obviously in place, and a re-export license may be needed. I've filled too many export control forms to not know that :mrgreen:

Again: The US has no arms embargo or sanctions against Argentina. It's the UK that is objecting due to some of the UK-made components. Not only the F-16, but also previously the Korean FA-50. The latter plane also has a GE engine, but its acquisition was stopped because of the UK-origin components.

It looks like USA has been trying to convince UK to drop their arms embargo against the Argentines so they can sell the F-16.

https://en.mercopress.com/2023/01/02/us ... -objection

In addition, why on earth would HAL and the Argentina air force be negotiating the LCA for last 3 years if the decks had not been cleared ?

So - at the end of the day, it could be a win if HAL substitutes the UK-origin parts in the LCA and sell it to the Argentines. That would be a good lesson to the Brits...and increase the indigenous content of the plane as well. Let's see what happens.

https://newsable.asianetnews.com/world/ ... aft-rragh1
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The US is trying to keep China out and convince the UK by trying to say the F-16s won't (can't) be used against them if/when Malvinas 2.0 happens.

Can they assure them in the same way for the Tejas?

In any case the US has a much bigger carrot-and-stick (the IMF) to keep the Argentines on a strict leash.

Doubt the US will allow it's money be spent by the Argentines to buy stuff from outside.
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Manish_P wrote:
Snip

In any case the US has a much bigger carrot-and-stick (the IMF) to keep the Argentines on a strict leash.

Snip.
The Argentine default of late 1990s has removed that stick from the US arsenal.
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schitt for tat response by the Modi govt

the bois played well


https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 951642.cms




A public toilet has been considered necessary in the vicinity of the UK High Commissioner's residence in downtown Delhi. But the UK government has resisted this on security grounds, ET has learnt. The issue may come into the limelight after India, livid over the British government's failure to protect its diplomatic mission in London, removed police barricades from near the High Commissioner's residence and mission.

The local authorities' decision to create a public toilet near the British High Commissioner's residence here has been resisted by the UK government on security grounds. The issue may come into the spotlight amid India's decision to curtail special privileges for British diplomats in India.
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There is more going on with UK than whats publicly visible and India is really really pissed off to react like that to UK. India would have asked firstly adequate police protection to our missions, which UK might have dragged its feet on it and didn't take it seriously. Secondly, they might not have obliged India's requests to use CCTV data to identify the culprits and share that data with India. Thirdly their diplomats and Cleverly might have shown some attitude.

I think the anti India activities not only unchecked but abetted by certain quarters in the UK, are designed to drive a wedge between Sunak and Modi, to preempt any hindu-hindu bond from developing. It also to show everyone that they have got Sunak on a leash, and he cant do zilch that the UK deep state doesn't authorise.

Either way, India should not care.

Next BBC docu on UK-India relations can be titled "Toilet - Ek Prem Katha".
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Vandalism at Indian High Commission building: Conservative MP Bob Blackman seeks ban on Khalistani groups in UK
The hooliganism by pro-Khalistani elements at the Indian High Commission was raised in UK Parliament by Conservative MP Bob Blackman. Speaking in the House of Commons, he sought a ban on the Khalistani groups. In reply, the Leader of the House Penny Mordaunt reiterated that security outside Indian High Commission will be reviewed. However, she refused to be drawn into the issue of ban on Khalistani groups.
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There needs to be aggressive legal prosecution, and elevation of legal penalties against those attacking foreign embassies. Aggressive fines and other penalties will sharply raise the cost of this type of predatory behaviour.
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chetak wrote:schitt for tat response by the Modi govt

the bois played well
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 951642.cms

The local authorities' decision to create a public toilet near the British High Commissioner's residence here has been resisted by the UK government on security grounds. The issue may come into the spotlight amid India's decision to curtail special privileges for British diplomats in India.[/b]
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the $hit gets real for the brits
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sanman wrote:There needs to be aggressive legal prosecution, and elevation of legal penalties against those attacking foreign embassies. Aggressive fines and other penalties will sharply raise the cost of this type of predatory behaviour.
How?

Those were Brishit citizens and clearly abetted by the system. This needs a more robust approach of first building a more secure consulate. India does not need any Brishit permission to install cameras. Just give EAM more money and install Indian security officers. Once a few of those protesters go missing things will sort out on their own.
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Many of the Sikh rowdies have been identified as Indian citizens living in UK. They have Indian passports. Hence Delhi police has registered criminal cases and started investigations.

Delhi cops investigating attack on mission in UK
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... s?from=mdr

Also, India needs a strong law against Indian citizens indulging in acts against India in other countries. Quite a few of these coolies with Indian passports are active in anti-India campaigns in UK, US and Canada, especially in universities
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sanjayc wrote:Many of the Sikh rowdies have been identified as Indian citizens living in UK. They have Indian passports. Hence Delhi police has registered criminal cases and started investigations.

Also, India needs a strong law against Indian citizens indulging in acts against India in other countries. Quite a few of these coolies with Indian passports are active in anti-India campaigns in UK, US and Canada, especially in universities
Therein lies the rub. Our government has kneeled before these coolies during farmers’s protests and now they want their pound of flesh. When the center could not control them inside India what do you expect it to do outside. As they say charity begins at home.

Also as I said above India needs to spend a lot more on its EAM and build a more robust institution none of which seems to bother the past or current dispensation.
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vimal wrote:Therein lies the rub. Our government has kneeled before these coolies during farmers’s protests and now they want their pound of flesh. When the center could not control them inside India what do you expect it to do outside. As they say charity begins at home.
Remember that Khalistanis simply disguised themselves a "protesting farmers" -- and many non-Sikh farmers were suckered in.
The fact that these protests were dominated by Sikhs who are only a small percentage of the population didn't give our dumb farmers any pause for thought says a lot.
The farm protest toolkit was created by Khalistanis -- and the fact that our moronic Supreme Court bailed out the naive young leftist girl who was serving as a useful idiot for the Khalistanis by spreading their toolkit, also says a lot.
Time and again, our detached Supreme Court which lives in is own bubble has no cognizance of ground realities.
This is yet another reason why we need judicial reforms.
Also as I said above India needs to spend a lot more on its EAM and build a more robust institution none of which seems to bother the past or current dispensation.
Globalization has allowed separatists and other disaffected groups to build sanctuaries abroad, and the Left-leaning political establishments of these immigration-seeking countries are happy to cater to them, since that suits their own politics.
That's why Leftist bastion BBC did their recent hatchet-piece on Modi, because they're also particularly hostile to the brown guy in 10 Downing Street who doesn't subscribe to their politics. So taking shot at Modi was also BBC's way of taking a shot at Sunak (we all look alike to them, in the end)
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sanjayc wrote:Many of the Sikh rowdies have been identified as Indian citizens living in UK. They have Indian passports. Hence Delhi police has registered criminal cases and started investigations.
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Let them apply for political asylum
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