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Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Karan M » 24 Nov 2017 01:50

Rahul M wrote:Suraj, that may be true but it is still useful to know these things. especially if the instigator was not one of those two.

btw amb kc singh is firmly with the political opposition and his views downplaying an achievement by the current government is not surprising.


Nothing but heavy contempt for the likes of KCS who spend all their time in TV debates arduously more often than not running down Indian interests. A bunch of deep Kangy moles all of them.

Then there are the Bhadrakumar types.

Kudos to Syed Akbaruddin and his team for winning a historic victory, may it be one of many and look forward to seeing the teeth gnashing at the Guardian, Economist and Daily Mail - the troika of the British public's reading pleasure, each directed towards a chosen segment.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby A Nandy » 24 Nov 2017 22:41

Here is what the economist says:

In an inauspicious sign for “Empire 2.0”, the nickname British officials use for their plan to forge closer links with the Commonwealth, the vast majority of Britain’s former colonies backed Mauritius or abstained.


https://www.economist.com/news/britain/ ... ean-allies

Beware guys! Empire 2.0 coming :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Shanmukh » 24 Nov 2017 22:56

@Suraj
Thanks for answering my question with the fantastic research on the UK vote.

@A Nandy
The article is behind a paywall for me. What does it say?

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby ArjunPandit » 25 Nov 2017 01:00

Shanmukh wrote:@A Nandy
The article is behind a paywall for me. What does it say?

It says
"the name of Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, “raised an eyebrow or a laugh each time it was mentioned"


It refers the case to the ICJ, whose opinion will be non-binding.
Remind me, do they have any seat on ICJ? :evil:

In an inauspicious sign for “Empire 2.0”, the nickname British officials use for their plan to forge closer links with the Commonwealth, the vast majority of Britain’s former colonies backed Mauritius or abstained.


“If you’re an Argentinian diplomat, you may start recomputing how much international support Britain has,”

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Postby Shanmukh » 25 Nov 2017 03:26

@ArjunPandit Thanks very much, saar.

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Postby sudarshan » 25 Nov 2017 06:04

ArjunPandit wrote:
“If you’re an Argentinian diplomat, you may start recomputing how much international support Britain has,”


Yea to the above. These overseas possessions of former colonial powers are such eyesores. Argentina almost shares a border with the UK (almost, because the Islas Malvinas are islands, so there's no actual land border). USA and Canada almost share borders with the UK, for the same reason (Bermuda is a possession of the UK, did you know?) There are polynesian islands held by the UK and France.

Guess which country is spread across the most time zones in this world? Not the USA, not Russia or China, but FRANCE!! France has exclave territories in South America (French Guyana) and Africa (Djibouti is practically French territory, as an Ethiopian friend told me). France shares borders with Brazil and Suriname! Then there are some polynesian islands which are French possessions. Denmark, of course, almost rivals India in size (!) because the whole of Greenland is counted as a Danish possession.

The Portuguese similarly wanted to hold onto Goa, but were kicked out of the Indian subcontinent. China kicked the British out of Hong Kong, and the Portuguese out of Macau. The French were unceremoniously offloaded from Pondicherry. Else these "powers" would be holding onto parts of Asia as well.

Argentina, it's time for you to do a rethink on the Malvinas.

Something worth thinking about. A person with pretensions is very easy to manipulate. A whole country which is steeped in pretensions, even more so. India has never played that game with the UK, but we can string them along big time and have a good long laugh in the process. And soon other countries will catch on to the true nature of this pipsqueak with a loud voice.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby disha » 25 Nov 2017 07:32

^You forgot Diego Garcia and Chagos Islands.

Since the economist article is behind paywall., here are the discussions on how the colonial empires are being beaten back (old news):

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/22/un-vote-backing-chagos-islands-a-blow-for-uk

The row between Mauritius and the UK – over what Britain terms BIOT, or British Indian Ocean Territory – has become increasingly acrimonious in recent years.

In 1965, three years before Mauritius was granted independence, the UK decided to separate the Chagos Islands, an archipelago, from the rest of its Indian Ocean colony. The Mauritian government claims this was in breach of UN resolution 1514, passed in 1960, which specifically banned the breakup of colonies before independence.

Most of the 1,500 islanders were deported so that the largest island, Diego Garcia, could be leased to the US for a strategic airbase in 1971. The US was one of the few countries that publicly backed the UK over the islands’ fate. The islanders have never been allowed to return home.


And the Herr Arrogant denizens of Former UK talk about principles!

Urging delegates at the UN general assembly to oppose the resolution, the UK permanent representative, Matthew Rycroft, warned: “This could set a precedent that many of you in this hall could come to regret.” He added that “the resolution for an advisory opinion is an attempt by the government of Mauritius to circumvent the principle” – referring to the principle that a state could only be involved at the ICJ through its own consent.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 25 Nov 2017 07:58

If they Supply to Pakistan again then we should seriously consider selling or gifting few brumos to Argentina

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby panduranghari » 25 Nov 2017 16:36

Philip wrote:Philip "quoted",not wrote! Pl.,don't shoot the postman. Nevertheless,in future we should be
"off the blocks" first at the sound of the starter's pistol


Of course saar. It was your quote not your post.

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Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Peregrine » 25 Nov 2017 17:47

Shanmukh wrote:@Suraj
Thanks for answering my question with the fantastic research on the UK vote.

@A Nandy
The article is behind a paywall for me. What does it say?
Shanmukh Ji :
Aap Ki Seva Mein Prustoot Kurtay Hain :

Tropical storm : Britain’s European allies desert it in a vote at the UN
An isolated island battles to hang on to its outpost in the Indian Ocean

FOR many Brexiteers, the issue at the heart of the case for leaving the European Union was sovereignty. Membership of the EU was incompatible with self-determination, they argued. Britain is one of the world’s great military and economic powers; it would do just fine on its own. Remainers responded that in a globalised world, sovereignty is pooled. As David Cameron, Britain’s ill-fated prime minister, put it, Brexit held out the “illusion” of sovereignty: Britain would gain independence at the cost of real power.

On June 22nd, in an early test of these arguments, the UN weighed in on a dispute between Britain and Mauritius over the Chagos islands, a tiny but strategically important archipelago in the Indian Ocean (see map). Ninety-four countries sided with Mauritius; just 15 backed Britain. The result, says Jagdish Koonjul, Mauritius’s representative to the UN, was “beyond my expectation”. Only four members of the EU voted with Britain; one, Cyprus, voted with Mauritius and 22 abstained, including usually reliable allies France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain. “It was a complete haemorrhaging of support for Britain,” says Philippe Sands, a lawyer representing Mauritius. “This should be a real wake-up call.”

The roots of the dispute go back to 1965, when Britain lopped off the Chagos islands from Mauritius, at the time a British colony. It loaned the largest island, Diego Garcia, to America to use as a military base. Since then the atoll, which is within striking distance of east Africa, the Middle East and South-East Asia, has become indispensable for America’s armed forces, who nickname it “the footprint of freedom”. It gives them control over the Indian Ocean and has served as a base for long-range bombers to pummel Afghanistan and Iraq. The CIA used it as a “black site” in its rendition programme.

But taking over Diego Garcia for military use meant deporting some 1,500 Chagossians, mostly to Mauritius and the Seychelles. They have never been allowed to return; many moved to Britain. (After landing at Gatwick airport, they were given temporary accommodation nearby in Crawley, where most of them still live.)

Mauritius claims the islands are part of its territory and wants the dispute referred to the International Court of Justice (ICJ). Britain argued that it should be resolved bilaterally. America took its side. But with its State Department understaffed and its president widely distrusted, its lobbying effort failed. Britain’s diplomacy was no better; the name of Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, “raised an eyebrow or a laugh each time it was mentioned”, according to one person present. In an inauspicious sign for “Empire 2.0”, the nickname British officials use for their plan to forge closer links with the Commonwealth, the vast majority of Britain’s former colonies backed Mauritius or abstained.

The importance of the vote should not be exaggerated. It refers the case to the ICJ, whose opinion will be non-binding. For many countries, the vote was a chance to take a dig at America and to reiterate their support for decolonisation. In future votes on more central issues of national security, Britain may still be able to rely on strong support from the EU.

Still, “It is a little cheep from the canary in the coal mine,” says Richard Whitman, director of the Global Europe Centre at the University of Kent. Other far-flung British territories, such as the Falkland islands, might face new challenges from rival claimants. “If you’re an Argentinian diplomat, you may start re-computing how much international support Britain has,” says Mr Whitman.

The ICJ will probably offer an advisory opinion on the matter, but not before the spring of 2019. By then Britain is due to have left the EU. And Mauritius may even have a more sympathetic negotiating partner. Jeremy Corbyn, Labour’s leader, is—perhaps inevitably—a long-time advocate for the rights of the Chagossians.

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Postby Bart S » 25 Nov 2017 18:46

^ I suspect Britain really has no legs to stand on here, but is being propped up by the Americans who want the Diego Garcia airbase. Isn't Mauritius a majority Indian origin population with it's economy completely dependent on the Indian largesse (investment treaty etc)? Perhaps India should step in as a successor state to the British Empire by striking a 3-way deal to give Mauritius sovereignty over the islands with a guarantee of a naval base for America (and perhaps basing rights for India) for a few decades. America could just as well deal directly with Mauritius and the largest IOR power instead of depending on the Brits.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Shanmukh » 25 Nov 2017 23:01

@Peregrine
Thanks very much, saar.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby nam » 25 Nov 2017 23:53

Rahul M wrote:Suraj, that may be true but it is still useful to know these things. especially if the instigator was not one of those two.

btw amb kc singh is firmly with the political opposition and his views downplaying an achievement by the current government is not surprising.


Could have been Chinis with Paki bidding. Pakis has been blabbering about chalo ICJ for Cashmere & also the Jadav episode. Chinis assumed India will not apply for P5 seat.

There might have been a plan to scapegoat Jadav.

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Postby UlanBatori » 26 Nov 2017 08:47

Terror in Londonabad: self-inflicted

People were seen fleeing the Oxford Circus Tube station, taking shelter in nearby buildings and holding each other as police descended on the area to respond to the reports. ... people fleeing into the street and taking cover in nearby buildings. Bystanders on the street screamed and fell over each other as panic ensued on the busy London thoroughfare. Eight people were hospitalized with minor injuries, the London Ambulance Service said.


All because 2 guys had an altercation.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby disha » 26 Nov 2017 09:21

Bart S wrote:^ I suspect Britain really has no legs to stand on here, but is being propped up by the Americans who want the Diego Garcia airbase. Isn't Mauritius a majority Indian origin population with it's economy completely dependent on the Indian largesse (investment treaty etc)? Perhaps India should step in as a successor state to the British Empire by striking a 3-way deal to give Mauritius sovereignty over the islands with a guarantee of a naval base for America (and perhaps basing rights for India) for a few decades. America could just as well deal directly with Mauritius and the largest IOR power instead of depending on the Brits.


Some parts of it is what Mauritius intends to do., that is the sovereignty of Chagos archipelago comes under Mauritius and Diego Garcia is leased to US.

For the herr denizens of former_UK., the chagossians were "some few Tarzans or Man Fridays" to be dispossessed of their living and culture and uprooted at the grand alter of "Empire 2.0". If there was complete genocide of a culture in 20th century., here it was.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Hari Seldon » 26 Nov 2017 09:32

UlanBatori wrote:Terror in Londonabad: self-inflicted

People were seen fleeing the Oxford Circus Tube station, taking shelter in nearby buildings and holding each other as police descended on the area to respond to the reports. ... people fleeing into the street and taking cover in nearby buildings. Bystanders on the street screamed and fell over each other as panic ensued on the busy London thoroughfare. Eight people were hospitalized with minor injuries, the London Ambulance Service said.


All because 2 guys had an altercation.


Time for a UKstani bojitive news dhaga? Just saying ...

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby deejay » 26 Nov 2017 09:33

nam wrote:
Rahul M wrote:Suraj, that may be true but it is still useful to know these things. especially if the instigator was not one of those two.

btw amb kc singh is firmly with the political opposition and his views downplaying an achievement by the current government is not surprising.

Could have been Chinis with Paki bidding. Pakis has been blabbering about chalo ICJ for Cashmere & also the Jadav episode. Chinis assumed India will not apply for P5 seat.

There might have been a plan to scapegoat Jadav.

http://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/ ... over-uk-un

Some answers above.

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Postby A Nandy » 26 Nov 2017 21:48

http://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/ ... over-uk-un

Countries against India:

it is Pakistan that has been devastated by India’s candidate prevailing over the UK’s Christopher Greenwood

Among the Asian countries, the most steadfast in defence of the British candidate was Japan, which to the end backed Christopher Greenwood in line with Tokyo’s policy of marching in lockstep with the victors of the 1939-45 global war. Another factor was the British royal family, which is close to the Japanese royal family. Indeed, several countries across the globe that have monarchs as titular heads of state—especially in the Arab states—backed the UK solely on the grounds of the latter being a monarchy like themselves.

As expected, both Australia as well as New Zealand put ethnic linkages first and stood by Greenwood over Bhandari to the last, although Canada under Justin Trudeau was more circumspect.

Beijing gave its diplomatic backing to the UK.

Finally, only China was left by the UK’s side, but even Beijing understood that backing the UNSC candidate over the UNGA’s favourite would damage its standing as a champion of the developing countries.

Besides the monarchies, another bloc that stood by the UK was Eastern Europe, where questions of ethnicity are still important.

Until pulled up by President Donald Trump himself, who has invested considerable effort in forging an alliance with India, the Permanent Mission of the United States in the UN worked daily in seeking the defeat of Bhandari. This was despite it being headed by Nikki Haley, whose earlier avatar of Namrata Randhawa was Indian in ethnicity. Ambassador Haley personally gave complete backing to Greenwood over her ethnic cousin Dalveer Bhandari, until the final stages, when it took a command from the White House to make her change her stance.

Among the factors that worked against Greenwood was that the jurist was an enthusiastic backer of that war, justifying on shaky legal grounds Prime Minister Tony Blair’s decision to march behind Bush in launching the 2003 war that sent Iraq into chaos. This ever faithful “human poodle” of US policymakers was subsequently rewarded by a well-paying UN position in recognition of the way in which he followed Washington’s lead on the Iraq war without hesitation.

The UK judge’s politically motivated support for the Iraq war on specious grounds was disseminated extensively among UNGA members by numerous delegations, and played a role in most of the Muslim-majority countries ignoring the increasingly frantic efforts of GHQ Rawalpindi, acting through the civilian government in Pakistan, to secure the victory of the UK judge.


The victory of Dalveer Bhandari was the opposite of what took place in 1971 during the Bangladesh crisis, when almost the entire UNGA voted against India. In the ICJ episode, that was reversed, with almost the entire UNGA (183 members exactly) voting with the candidate enjoying the backing of Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
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Postby periaswamy » 26 Nov 2017 21:56

So these "quadrilateral" countries all uniformly voted against India w.r.t ICJ, and India is supposed to trust these countries to keep their end of the "partnership" when it comes to keeping the IOR free from hegemony...maybe it will work out, but only because all of these countries have an interest in the ocean routes being dominated by a single power. But "trusting" these countries to be a net positive for India's security in the IOR would be a mistake, which is not surprising given the nature of such transactional relationships.

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Postby Suraj » 27 Nov 2017 03:52

"Accept high immigration from India or you get no trade deal", India tells UK
Britain will struggle to sign new free trade deals with economic powerhouses like India after Brexit unless it is willing to accept high levels of immigration from these countries into Britain.

That's according to Lord Bilimoria, co-founder of Cobra beer, and one of Britain's most well-known entrepreneurs.

Bilimoria spoke to Business Insider on Friday following International Trade Secretary Liam Fox's claim that his efforts to make Britain a great trading nation are being undermined by the unwillingness of British businesses to export.

The Indian-born British businessman described Fox as "utterly unfit" to serve as International Trade Secretary and claimed that nobody "across the board" in British business "has any respect" for the Conservative minister.

"Nobody takes him seriously. That's a fact," Bilimoria told BI.

Bilimoria then described what he felt was a contradiction at the heart of the case for Brexit, in that Britain will not be able to significantly reduce inward migration — as many have Brexiteers promised — if it wants any hope of ambitious and wide-ranging free trade deals with countries like India.

"What trade deals has he [Fox] actually done?" the life peer said.

"The Indian high commissioner has warned that an agreement [between Britain and India] might not be in place until 2030 — and said talks haven't even begun.Liam Fox

"He said India will want the movement of professionals; the movement of doctors, the movement of engineers. He said both sides will benefit from this exchange. It won’t be a one-way street."

The life peer was quoting YK Sinha, India’s High Commissioner to the UK, who told the Telegraph:

"You’ve all read about issues of freer mobility of professions. That is something right up there as far as India is concerned.

“I’m not talking about unfettered access or unrestricted travel, I’m talking about movement of professionals, movement of doctors, technicians, engineers. I think both sides will benefit from this exchange."

Bilimoria went on to accuse Theresa May of ignoring these issues in a visit to India at the end of last year, claiming the manner in which the prime minister dealt with her Indian counterparts was "no way to get a new trade deal."

"When Theresa May went to India in November 2016 it was a disaster," he said.

"It would have been better if she had not gone.

"In the opening bilateral speech she made, she didn't mention the movement of people at all, didn't mention international students, didn't mention universities, let alone meet with the university leaders who were part of the delegation.

"And then the Indian PM — one of the most powerful people in the world — humbly said that the free movement of our people is very important to us."

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Postby UlanBatori » 27 Nov 2017 06:26

Hu is this Lawd Bilimoria? A huuuuuge and refreshing change from the Lawd Brownsahib twits we've been used to hearing!!! Chooses his words like a surgeon chooses a scalpel, and then uses them like a true Arjuna. That last sentence is an absolute gem.

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Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Peregrine » 28 Nov 2017 00:22

Britain replaces UN Ambassador, following ICJ defeat

Britain today appointed Karen Pierce as its new Ambassador to the UN, replacing incumbent Matthew Rycroft under whom it suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of India in the recent election to the International Court of Justice.

Pierce is the first woman appointed to this role, and is uniquely suited for the position having previously served as Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN in New York, and more recently as the Permanent Representative to the UN in Geneva, the UK Mission to the UN said in a statement.

Britain's Permanent Mission to the United Nations did not give any reason for appointing Pierce as new ambassador to the world body, which comes days after it failed to get its judge Christopher Greenwood elected to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) after India's Judge Dalveer Bhandari consistently received nearly two-third of the votes in the UN General Assembly.

Bhandari was on Tuesday re-elected to the ICJ as the UN General Assembly overwhelmingly threw its weight behind him, forcing Britain to withdraw its candidate from the hard-fought race to the world court.

This is for the first time in 70 years that Britain would have no judge in the 15-member panel of the ICJ.

Political analysts and editorials in British media have described it as a diplomatic failure of the Therasa May government.

"Britain has a proud history of working for positive change through the United Nations, not least in addressing the problems in Libya and Syria," British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said in a statement without addressing the reason for sudden replacement of Rycroft.

Rycroft has been in the post since 2015 and will handover in January 2018 when he returns to London to take up his new role as Permanent Secretary at the Department for International Development.

"I know Karen has the diplomatic skills, energy and patience to continue this vital work, and I congratulate her on her appointment," Johnson said.

In a statement, Pierce said the UK had long been a strong supporter of the UN and its role at the heart of the global rules-based international system at a time when it is coming under challenge.

"Through our role as a permanent member of the Security Council and position as the UN's third largest donor, the UK will continue to work with others to tackle the pressing security, stability, development and prosperity challenges of today," she she said.

"Our security and economic interests depend to a large extent on a strong and effective United Nations...I undertake to ensure we are an active force in New York for progress and partnership," Pierce said.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 28 Nov 2017 12:02

UlanBatori wrote:Hu is this Lawd Bilimoria? A huuuuuge and refreshing change from the Lawd Brownsahib twits we've been used to hearing!!! Chooses his words like a surgeon chooses a scalpel, and then uses them like a true Arjuna. That last sentence is an absolute gem.

Billimoria and Billimoria was (and is still?) a well known management consulting company 35+ years before present.

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Postby UlanBatori » 28 Nov 2017 19:34

He must not be terribly popular with the HeeHaws in Westminster right now, what-what I say?

Brave man! :rotfl:

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Postby Singha » 28 Nov 2017 20:06

taking a look at the photos, their muscular beefy physiques indicate they ate quite well in prison. but the british will still whine about tough conditions...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ittal.html

Their families say the Chennai Six have been held in 'horrendous' conditions, sleeping on concrete floors, in sweltering heat with inadequate water, prison meals of 'curried slop and rice' and poor sanitation, with toilets being a hole in the floor
...'They will just go to a hotel in Chennai and will be able to sleep in a bed and have a proper shower for the first time in about two years.'

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Postby sanjaykumar » 28 Nov 2017 20:29

Yeah need more cats like this Bilimoria.

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Postby panduranghari » 28 Nov 2017 20:37

UlanBatori wrote:He must not be terribly popular with the HeeHaws in Westminster right now, what-what I say?

Brave man! :rotfl:


I believe Priti Patel accepted a short term loss in the form of loosing the ministry for taking on the Arab-Islam pasand bureaucracy to show the Brits a mirror. Billimoria is just following this up. Billimoria is a cross bench peer so not constrained by Labour or Conservatives and an immigrant to boot. Thankfully he has not shown his brown sahib perspective. YET.

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Postby ramana » 29 Nov 2017 00:00

SSridhar wrote:A bad day for UK, not just because of its loss in ICJ - Shailaja Neelakantan, ToI
The UK suffered not one but three diplomatic losses yesterday, including its exit from the International Court of Justice (ICJ).

First, Amsterdam won the battle to host the European Medicines Agency (EMA), which is currently based in London, news agencies reported.

Then, Paris won its bid to host the European Banking Authority (EBA), also currently based in London.


And more bad news was to come, as later in the day, Britain withdrew its candidate from the ICJ's electoral fray, after a lot of negative publicity and allegations that it was playing "dirty politics".

In the 11 earlier rounds of voting for a judge post in the world court, India's Dalveer Bhandari got nearly two-thirds of the votes+ in the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA). In the UN Security Council (UNSC), UK candidate Christopher Greenwood consistently received nine votes as against five for Bhandari. This resulted in a stalemate.

Diplomatic sources told PTI news agency on Sunday that the UK is trying to "misuse" its UNSC membership by pushing for a 'joint conference mechanism', to win the contest. There is unequivocal legal opinion against using such a mechanism, the sources said.

"The 'dirty politics' being played by India's former colonial ruler, as one UN insider put it, has sent a sense of 'uneasiness' among other members of the powerful UN Security Council, many of whom are aware of the long-term implications of a move to ignore the voice of the majority of the United Nations General Assembly," wrote PTI.

No doubt under pressure from such allegations, the UK yesterday withdrew+ the candidature of Greenwood, paving the way for Bhandari's re-election.

Luke McDonagh, a constitutional law lecturer at the University of London, in a tweet, called the ICJ exit and the loss of two European Union (EU) agencies "an extraordinary day of loss of British influence".

Following the loss of the EMA & EBA, now the UK fails to get its judge onto the International Court of Justice (ICJ... https://t.co/TBc1vsqRaG
— Luke McDonagh (@DrLukeMcDonagh) 1511212901000

Earlier yesterday, Amsterdam won a fierce fight to host the EMA, which was up for grabs because of last year's shock Brexit vote in the UK, reported PTI. The EMA, one of the world's most powerful drugs watchdogs is "alluring" said the BBC, as it promises to make its new host into a hub for Europe's medical industry.

Matthew Ford, a lecturer in international relations at the University of Sussex, said the UK hasn't seen the worst yet. He was referring to the fallout of the Brexit vote and the UK's exit from the EU.

We haven't even reached the bottom yet BUT on 1 day we've seen: UK have its judge on UN International Court of Jus... https://t.co/mxQzOXkqgG
— Dr Matthew Ford (@warmatters) 1511213462000.

Following the EMA vote yesterday, Paris won the bid to host the EBA, which sets rules and regulations for banking in the EU. This regulator has been in London since its creation in 2011, but will now relocate across the channel before March 2019, when Britain is set to quit the bloc, said the UK's Daily Express publication.

A Green Party supporter tweeted wondering whether the 'great' in 'Great Britain' would ever be restored.

https://twitter.com/WhyToVoteGreen/stat ... 4432115712

The two watchdogs, with a total of 1,000 highly skilled jobs between them, are currently based in London's Canary Wharf district but must leave before Britain quits the EU in March 2019, said PTI.

(With inputs from Agencies)



November is truly a winter of discontent for UK.

What a fall!!!

To top this all the Royals humbly accepted a American divorcee unlike before Prince Edward , Duke of Windsor.

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Rahul M wrote:Wonder what was the play for Lebanon to suddenly run for the Asian seat when India was already in the fray. Who instigated them, if anyone did ? Pak, PRC ?



I think its MBS of KSA flexing his control on the Levant.


Its odd signal that Lebanon wants the Asia seat when its in shambles and its Pm is replaced on orders of KSA.

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Postby periaswamy » 29 Nov 2017 00:31

So saudi arabia heads the UN human rights council and has a judge in the ICJ -- this may mean that the US/UK crowd is outsourcing their ME conflicts to KSA, and given them the tools to control the narrative like the US/UK cabal has been doing since Blunt's days. No western news media makes a squeak about Yemen or Lebanon, relatively speaking, when compared to the noise they make about Rohingyas or some non ME issue.

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Postby Suraj » 29 Nov 2017 00:33

ramana wrote:To top this all the Royals humbly accepted a American divorcee unlike before Prince Edward , Duke of Windsor.

Netflix has an interesting series 'The Crown' about post-war UK and the current woman on the throne coming to power. Some interesting tidbits from the first season:
* Edward was never crowned king. He didn't even make it that far, becoming king in Jan 1936, abdicating in Dec.
* That made his brother Albert the king, as George VI.
* Edward openly admired Hitler, and they made him governor of Bahamas - essentially an exile to keep him away from Europe so as to prevent him from embarrassing them at wartime.
* Phillip, who became Elizabeths husband and then prince consort upon her elevation to queen, had 3 siblings married to Nazi officials. The marriage was opposed in the family.
* Phillip is of course the same brainless racist idiot who later showed up at Jallianwala Bagh on their trip to India and blurts out 'well I don't think that many died here'.
* The guy was effectively cuckolded in his marriage - a man of ego and bluster being beaten down by his wife the queen, struggling to retain his independence and self. Quite funny and an interesting background of why he's so insufferable in our eyes.
* Elizabeth's younger sister Margaret was in love with a divorced man who served the palace household under George VI, Peter Townsend.
* They first made her wait 2 years and then on a technicality prevent her from marrying him anyway. Margaret never really forgives Elizabeth for this, taking to drinking and smoking, which kills her in 2002, same year as her mom.
* Churchill basically used Elizabeth to hang on to PM-ship. He delayed her coronation by 16 months because he needed extra time to gain control of his own party from Anthony Eden, and traditionally the PM in charge of the coronation process was not to be replaced.
* Eden is clumsy, lacking finesse in dealing with Nasser, who's happy to use every opportunity the Brits give him to make them out as villains for the later Suez crisis.

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Postby Suraj » 29 Nov 2017 00:41

ramana wrote:
Rahul M wrote:Wonder what was the play for Lebanon to suddenly run for the Asian seat when India was already in the fray. Who instigated them, if anyone did ? Pak, PRC ?

I think its MBS of KSA flexing his control on the Levant.

Its odd signal that Lebanon wants the Asia seat when its in shambles and its Pm is replaced on orders of KSA.

Some press reports say the Lebanese bid has been known for 3 years now. 5 of the total 15 ICJ seats are up for grabs every 3 years, though nominally every P5 member ALWAYS gets their own seat back, until India just grabbed the UK's seat away.

So it seems until recently we were on the way to giving up our seat, but from the other story about Modi's push, it appears once he was made aware of this, he asked MEA and the permanent representative at the UN to change plans and instead grab someone else's seat. Turned out we had to do this the hardest possible way - by stealing a P5 member's seat, something no one had ever even tried, much less succeeded at, before.

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Postby chetak » 29 Nov 2017 00:52

Suraj wrote:
ramana wrote:I think its MBS of KSA flexing his control on the Levant.

Its odd signal that Lebanon wants the Asia seat when its in shambles and its Pm is replaced on orders of KSA.

Some press reports say the Lebanese bid has been known for 3 years now. 5 of the total 15 ICJ seats are up for grabs every 3 years, though nominally every P5 member ALWAYS gets their own seat back, until India just grabbed the UK's seat away.

So it seems until recently we were on the way to giving up our seat, but from the other story about Modi's push, it appears once he was made aware of this, he asked MEA and the permanent representative at the UN to change plans and instead grab someone else's seat. Turned out we had to do this the hardest possible way - by stealing a P5 member's seat, something no one had ever even tried, much less succeeded at, before.



UK will think twice about complicating visa matters for any Indian CM now.

They got their noses badly rubbed in it

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Postby ramana » 29 Nov 2017 05:05

Suraj, Henpecked.

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Postby Hari Seldon » 29 Nov 2017 12:51

^Why not PRC? Why 'only' India? just curious is all.

Its not as if UKstan didn't in the past try ki$$ing PRC arse. Maybe they got merely yellow droppings from there instead of 'em golden yellow ones perhaps ...

That said, PRC blames (rightly so) UKstan for their 'century of humiliation' and treats UKstan with contempt. Creditable behavior on their part, IMHO.

Wish India too acted similarly keeping past history in mind...

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Postby Philip » 29 Nov 2017 18:44

Said decades ago Britain will one day become the jewel in India's crown!

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Postby A Deshmukh » 29 Nov 2017 20:18

Philip wrote:Said decades ago Britain will one day become the jewel in India's crown!

who wants Londonistan?

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Postby periaswamy » 29 Nov 2017 20:35

Given the number of pakistanis infesting Londonistan (with a paki mayor to boot), it may as well be a second pakistan, and given the functionality of a pakistan in people's homes, the phrase "a turd on India's shoe" would be more accurate than a "jewel in India's crown".

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Postby sanjaykumar » 29 Nov 2017 20:47

London is the greatest city in the world. Need to face reality.


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