Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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IndraD wrote:west yorkshire is Pakistan in Britain, its nucleus Bradford is completely taken ^^
I think UK needs the implementation of Sharia law, in all fairness to the Peaceful people inhabiting its lands. The common legal code does not enhance the aspirations of a large percentage of its population. The next demand should be a separate homeland based on a 2 nation theory. This should be achieved without loosing the social net provided by the majority. Perhaps a Jizya type of tax should be levied on Christians and the Jews and then paid directly to the Peaceful for historic wrongs done to them.
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g.sarkar wrote:
IndraD wrote:west yorkshire is Pakistan in Britain, its nucleus Bradford is completely taken ^^
I think UK needs the implementation of Sharia law, in all fairness to the Peaceful people inhabiting its lands. The common legal code does not enhance the aspirations of a large percentage of its population. The next demand should be a separate homeland based on a 2 nation theory. This should be achieved without loosing the social net provided by the majority. Perhaps a Jizya type of tax should be levied on Christians and the Jews and then paid directly to the Peaceful for historic wrongs done to them.
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gautam ji,

are you asking for britshitistan to become another India.

everything you say above is sadly applicable to India today, except that the names may sound a little bit different.

Unmistakably, the intent and content are all there and the majority has been servicing the pacefools since independence with jizya already in deep implementation.

and
The next demand should be a separate homeland based on a 2 nation theory.
is already resounding with cries of jinnah wali aazadi

just yeterday, a peacefool TMC "leader" in bengal, during his election speech said that the peacefools have sufficient demographics now to demand and also take four (4) pakistans in India

if nothing else, their intent is crystal clear
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joseph pristley who discovered Oxygen was product of this very school.
Education secretary intervenes, after France style threats issued to the teacher , hai tauba amongst teacher's guild as to where is freedom of speech.
They have been told to take it out on Hindus as even anti semitism is out of bounds.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/0 ... own-class/
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Here you go again. After tabloids, Fonancial Times goes now. Headline: India deals blow to global (actually just UK) fight by blocking vaccine exports. This a keeper. Shows the level of journalism of FT. Wtf headline has nothing to do with article. It seems EU , which is another great supplier of vaccines has stopped export to the rest of the world ( ONLY UK).
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Suraj wrote:It appears that GoI needs to implement a system of multi-year sanction/embargo on universities with a record of mistreating Indian students. This should include no clearance of loans by banks/RBI, and emigration clearance failure where the student visa indicated a sanctioned university. Students who already are attending probably cannot be hampered, but no further permissions for, say, 5 years.
Sirji, there are a handful of FT fee paying Indian students at Oxford, the vast majority of undergraduate students are funded either externally through aid such as the Chevening program, or scholarships established within the relevant schools/faculties. RBI putting any sanction would be akin to the CCP punishing XYZ university for not granting a mainlander Chair of a Confucious institute. Also there could be several workarounds, Venezuela, Iranian, and students from several authoritarian countries have found loopholes to study in the UK despite being barred.

I observed the situation play out at Rutgers re Audrey T, and am confident that student communities are more likely to have any influence on the ground rather than us from the peanut gallery. All legacy institutions have an endowment, Oxford is no exclusion, most of its fundraising is directed towards individual donors, largely alumni. All advancement divisions publish their top donors names annually, write to them, throw the book at them. Most receive reciprocity by being nominated to faculty boards, and other such committees. Let them know the damage Oxford would be doing by turning a blind eye, Oxbridge (Oxford + Cambridge) are already facing an uphill PR battle for having skewed admission criteria that positively discriminates Caucasians. Oxford would also be the recipient of several research grants across a variety of disciplines, some that may involve India is some way or another - make it hard for them to collaborate with researchers locally, and hold up visitations.
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I don't see the point of arguing about loopholes. Students who get into trouble at a place that's under sanctions would simply be on their own, entirely on account of their personal choice to circumvent a law.

The suggestion is not intended to be foolproof. It's intended to put a monetary and transactional cost upon the university. That means those legacy donors from India will not see their transactions clear RBI too, among other things.

Rising powers need to develop and hone levers of economic control and manipulation.
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As if on cue, the UK universities have a paid ad in the sh*trag Indian Express (anti-Indian Express maybe a better name) trying to attract Indians to cough up some hard-earned money to the colonial vermin who brutalized Indians for centuries.
UK universities offer an "Excellent but not expensive" "eduction" to create India-hating colonial coolie scum like Pratap Bhanu Mehta, Anand Arni, Salil Tripathi, Srinath Raghava among countless others, surely.

https://indianexpress.com/article/educa ... e-7245983/

UK universities would lose a lot if Indians stopped sending their kids there.

Nothing would be nicer than to see these colonial UK/EU/US vermin get paid back for their evil in the past millenium. Indian lived experience has more in common with the chinese lived experiences (from an individual perspective, not systemic) compared to the colonial and imperial scum in the UK/US/EU.

It is very clear from their behavior that they want to destroy India from the inside out -- the chinese want land but these colonial vermin want to remove our very imprint on this planet when they have the power and the means to do it.

Check out this article on the Bangladesh war by the Smithsonian magazine, an allegedly high-brow "intellectual" publication. They don't even mention that hindus were targeted and killed -- bangladeshi muslims are projected as the only victims.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180961490/
Millions were killed in what was then known as East Pakistan, but Cold War geopolitics left defenseless Muslims vulnerable
you won't find the word 'hindu' in the article -- hindus are all supposed to just roll over and die, apparently, even in India.
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Suraj you are right, no amount of endowment is going to help if a country embargoes a university at official level. The students going on visa should be made to register at a central govt database and such cases tracked in a better fashion. All sorts of impediments can happen and Oxford or UK is not immune to such pressures despite tall claims of being well funded. Case in point was the very visible threat against the Australians a few years back, when the racist attacks against Indian students happened. They tried to put on a brave post-colonial face but quietly started behaving better.

An Indian court ruling asking why Govt of India is not taking care of Indian students and their well-being would be a good start.
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rsingh wrote:Here you go again. After tabloids, Fonancial Times goes now. Headline: India deals blow to global (actually just UK) fight by blocking vaccine exports. This a keeper. Shows the level of journalism of FT. Wtf headline has nothing to do with article. It seems EU , which is another great supplier of vaccines has stopped export to the rest of the world ( ONLY UK).
The British press and government along with their knuckle dragging supporters expect that the rest of the world exists just to supply them with vaccine.. Funny how they have exported the grand total of 0 vaccines to help with the global vaccination program.. Feck them..
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Thanks hnair. I plan to write a little more about this topic soon. Education abroad is a high value economic activity by any standard:
LRS and impact on overseas education spend
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Any economic activity of such large value needs laws intended to safeguard the Human Resources involved - the students in this case. This means India must independently have laws that ensure that places that consume the money are held accountable for any misdeeds, on our terms.

I'll offer an analogy. British courts routinely rule on extradition cases by making the jail conditions a basis for agreement. Did Nirav Modi or Mallya commit crimes in UK ? No. This is a simple bilateral agreement. But still, they have rules that conveniently act as power levers.

At a time when India is a major contributor of students to foreign universities, it needs a law that places universities on an embargo list when they do something bad. This will be decided in India by the Indian government of the day. After all, it concerns Indian nationals and Indian money.

A banned school will lose access to any source of money out of India to them , and students will clearly be told they cannot attend there, with their emigration clearance failing if they try. Existing students can continue (why disrupt them - they are not the target), but no new students for N years. No money towards fees, alumni endowment or anything else.

Students shouldn't be punished for using loopholes. The aim is at the institute and not at the students. The loopholes should just be closed where feasible. Losing 5-10 years worth of Indian students and alumni contribution is a very big deal to many major universities around the western world. The students have more choice.

One of the capabilities of great power status is the ability to figure out ways to make others bend to your will. This is done by implementing laws that apply in creative ways where major economic flows have laws that ensure that our interests are protected. Whining and name calling at them betrays lack of focus towards thinking that comes up with ways to gain such power. It's time we stopped moaning and stopped being the large powerful bumbling elephant who does not focus on ways to use its power.

The right kind of punitive laws engender good behavior on our terms. One does not need the EAM involved every time . The school will just be downgraded and that's the end of their gravy train for a period of time. Big powers cultivate their power by utilizing law in a manner that gets others to do their bidding without having to raise their voice all the time.
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chetak wrote: gautam ji,
are you asking for britshitistan to become another India.
everything you say above is sadly applicable to India today, except that the names may sound a little bit different.
Unmistakably, the intent and content are all there and the majority has been servicing the pacefools since independence with jizya already in deep implementation.
and
The next demand should be a separate homeland based on a 2 nation theory.
is already resounding with cries of jinnah wali aazadi
just yeterday, a peacefool TMC "leader" in bengal, during his election speech said that the peacefools have sufficient demographics now to demand and also take four (4) pakistans in India
if nothing else, their intent is crystal clear
Chetakji,
No, No. Hamari aukat hi nahi hai aisi baaten karne ke liye. If, God forbid, I would have wanted the UK to become like India, I would have said that the Peaceful People should destroy the economy of the country and loot X trillion dollars. I would have said that the offices in UK should have Goras up to the position of head clerk only, all higher positions should be filled by the Peaceful Immigrants only. The British Military should have Peaceful Officers only, with only a token Gora presence, about 2-3% should be sufficient. Lastly, the taxation should manipulated so that the local industry can not compete with the imports from the Peaceful Country. I never said such things.
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Hinduphobia.
Hopefully, next time they will remember to wish islamists on Hindu rituals.

Throwing colors this days is called celebrating Holi. Similar to getting drunk and moving around is called celebrating navratri.

Manchester United FC attacked on social media for wishing their Hindu supporters a happy Holi
https://www.opindia.com/2021/03/manches ... -attacked/

At least we know islamists don't do even color throwing. More into spitting and acid throwing. Are churches into colors?

Uttar Pradesh: Plastic veil to ‘protect’ over 40 mosques in ‘sensitive’ areas ahead of ‘Joota Maar Holi’ procession to maintain peace
https://www.opindia.com/2021/03/uttar-p ... stic-veil/
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Suraj wrote:... I plan to write a little more about this topic soon. Education abroad is a high value economic activity by any standard:
LRS and impact on overseas education spend

Any economic activity of such large value needs laws intended to safeguard the Human Resources involved - the students in this case. This means India must independently have laws that ensure that places that consume the money are held accountable for any misdeeds, on our terms.

I'll offer an analogy. British courts routinely rule on extradition cases by making the jail conditions a basis for agreement. Did Nirav Modi or Mallya commit crimes in UK ? No. This is a simple bilateral agreement. But still, they have rules that conveniently act as power levers.

At a time when India is a major contributor of students to foreign universities, it needs a law that places universities on an embargo list when they do something bad. This will be decided in India by the Indian government of the day. After all, it concerns Indian nationals and Indian money.

A banned school will lose access to any source of money out of India to them , and students will clearly be told they cannot attend there, with their emigration clearance failing if they try. Existing students can continue (why disrupt them - they are not the target), but no new students for N years. No money towards fees, alumni endowment or anything else.

Students shouldn't be punished for using loopholes. The aim is at the institute and not at the students. The loopholes should just be closed where feasible. Losing 5-10 years worth of Indian students and alumni contribution is a very big deal to many major universities around the western world. The students have more choice.

One of the capabilities of great power status is the ability to figure out ways to make others bend to your will. This is done by implementing laws that apply in creative ways where major economic flows have laws that ensure that our interests are protected. Whining and name calling at them betrays lack of focus towards thinking that comes up with ways to gain such power. It's time we stopped moaning and stopped being the large powerful bumbling elephant who does not focus on ways to use its power.

The right kind of punitive laws engender good behavior on our terms. One does not need the EAM involved every time . The school will just be downgraded and that's the end of their gravy train for a period of time. Big powers cultivate their power by utilizing law in a manner that gets others to do their bidding without having to raise their voice all the time.
Suraj san, gr8 article in Swarajya and gr8 suggestions perhaps for a next article. Few thoughts on this topic for what it is worth (was a student many moons ago with student loans).

1. On the magnitude of economic activity, not sure if you meant to capture only a partial list to keep the post short (that is Indian parents spending their saving to send their kids abroad). Much bigger angle to this is the loans taken by students from local banks in foreign countries. Very small percentage of students (and their families) can afford to send enough money to cover education fees, lodging/food, entertainment, transportation, parking tickets etc. The point is, it is not only the Indian money spent abroad, but gynormous banking business generated overseas by virtue of student loans. There are billion dollar companies thriving just on student loans. (Australia officially considers foreign student bizz as "education export").

2. You are right that countries very much ensure that if other countries are benefiting from their citizens, such countries toe the line. It is India, which expect the least from other countries. Tourism is not-so-great but a decent example. In recent times, Russian tourist in Egypt/Turkey or Chinese tourist in UK/Sri Lanka have been redirected when these countries went rogue.

3. Worst situation is one in which majority student expats who end up taking excessive loans in foreign countries, found themselves in a trap. That is, end up taking jobs locally to make enough to repay the loan and end up staying there forever. In such situations, India got the worst deal. She not only lost its citizen but also ended up supporting a school/university which trashes India all the time.

4. In some small towns/cities in foreign countries Indian students (and SL, BD, Nepal) are biggest source of income for the local economies. This includes population growth, increased local spending, construction activity, R&D etc. That kind of economic activity is loss of India and gain of a foreign country.

US colleges report a 43% decline in new international student enrollment, and not just because of the pandemic

International Student Enrollment Decrease Impacts US Economy

2021 is the year Australia’s international student crisis really bites

5. Making a list of offender school/university is a nice idea to keep these schools/colleges in check. For an example, Oxford may not be added to the list (Oxford-SII-COVID co-operations), but certain departments could be added. In some cases entire university/college may be added to send a broad message (kill-cat-to-scare-monkey). Another consequence of such list is that all the shenanigans of the university/college will be out in the open for the prospective students and parents to consider. As soon as you add a popular university to the list, all its dirty deeds need to be made or will come out in public. Dealing with the woke crowd is another challenge.

6. Advantage of such list is that it takes the pressure of politicos, EAM etc to intervene every time something bad happens. An independent agency could oversea such list with input from various govt. agencies.
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I still haven't understood this student loan business in India. I haven't run into anyone that has said anything about honestly repaying it. How does this even benefit India? Most never return back to India.

Would not India be better off spending that money on funding more universities or research in India?

The money back to India is going to flow back either way as people would still figure out how to leave India. No point of providing loans that these people see as easy free money that is not need to be returned for eternity
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darshan wrote:I still haven't understood this student loan business in India. I haven't run into anyone that has said anything about honestly repaying it. How does this even benefit India? Most never return back to India.
Most of the students (>90%) who go abroad are from middle class who secure these loans by hypothecating FD's/LIC Policies/Farm Land/Apartment. Irrespective if they return to India or not at least for the loan they have taken there is zero chance of these not being repaid.
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X posting from the understanding US thread


this is a damning indictment of the ingrained racist character of the UK


Read the article in full if you can.


American civil rights leader Rev. Jesse Jackson says Britain is the 'mother of racism' and must face up to its role in slavery as he rejects findings of race report which said nation was 'model to the world' on diversity

Influential civil rights leader told Times Radio there is 'pattern of racism' in UK

He rejected the findings of the recent UK report into race and ethnic disparities

Rev Jackson said Britain had a 'responsbility to face up to racism and change it'

Comments come after report by the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities

Their report found there was no evidence of instiutionalised racism in Britain

But the report has been criticised by high-profile campaigners and politicians




Civil rights leader the Reverend Jesse Jackson has today weighed into the UK's debate on race, by saying that Britain is the 'mother of racism'.

The influential American, 79, said Britain must face up to its role in slavery, as he flatly rejected the findings of the recent report into race and racism in the UK.

It comes after the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities, chaired by Tony Sewell, said it could find no conclusive evidence of institutionalised racism in Britain.

In its report, the commission also declared that the UK was a model to the world of a successful multi-ethnic society - while accepting that 'overt' prejudice still exists.

However, Rev Jackson, who worked closely with civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr, said there was a 'pattern of racism' in the UK.

Speaking to Times Radio, he said: 'Britain has a certain responsibility to face up to racism and change it.

Civil rights leader the Reverend Jesse Jackson (pictured today speaking to Times Radio) has today weighed into the UK's debate on race, by saying that Britain is the 'mother of racism'

Civil rights leader the Reverend Jesse Jackson (pictured today speaking to Times Radio) has today weighed into the UK's debate on race, by saying that Britain is the 'mother of racism'

For more than 200 hundred years Britain was at the very centre of the transatlantic slave trade (pictured: A drawing showing a slave trader holding a cane as slaves are forced to work) It is believed that English sea captain Sir John Hawkins led the first slaving expedition around 1562 under the commission of Queen Elizabeth I

For more than 200 hundred years Britain was at the very centre of the transatlantic slave trade (pictured: A drawing showing a slave trader holding a cane as slaves are forced to work) It is believed that English sea captain Sir John Hawkins led the first slaving expedition around 1562 under the commission of Queen Elizabeth I

'I've traveled across Britain and clearly there's a pattern of racism.'

He also claimed 'blacks cannot... be part of the Crown' when asked if he thought the Royal Family was racist - in the wake of Meghan Markle's bombshell claims made in her interview with Oprah Winfrey.

The Duchess of Sussex claimed an unnamed member of the royal family had asked what colour skin Archie would be when she was pregnant with Prince Harry's first child.

Reverand Jackson refused to say if he thought the royal family were racist, but instead said the marriage between Harry and Meghan showed 'change is in the air'.

He added: 'In a democracy, everybody has the chance to be everything.

'(There is) no superior race and no inferior race. All of us have royal blood. We're all God's children. Everybody matters.'

Rev Jackson is one of the most influential civil rights campaigners of his generation and was once close with Martin Luther King Jr.

The baptist minister was by the side of the civil rights campaigner when he was assassinated in 1968.

Alongside his civil rights work, Rev Jackson has also been involved in the creation of charities and twice ran to become the presidential candidate for the Democrats in the 1980s.

His criticism comes amid a strong debate over the findings of the report, which were published last week.

The Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities, set up by Boris Johnson in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests, concluded that although Britain is not yet a 'post-racial society', its success should be a model for white-majority countries.

Chairman Dr Sewell said the UK had progressed into a 'successful multi-ethnic and multicultural community' which was a 'beacon to the rest of Europe and the world'.

He warned ministers must also consider the needs of the white working class, saying his report had uncovered how 'stuck' some groups were.

Dr Sewell later insisted he was not denying the existence of racism - but railed against people deploying the charge of institutional racism 'willy-nilly'.

But the report has faced a chorus of criticism from campaigners and politicians, including Baroness Doreen Lawrence.

Baroness Lawrence, whose son Stephen was murdered in 1993 in a racially motivated attack in south-east London, said the authors of the report are 'not in touch with reality'.

Speaking at a public event organised by De Montfort University Leicester's Stephen Lawrence Research Centre on Wednesday, she said: 'When I first heard about the report my first thought was it has pushed [the fight against] racism back 20 years or more.

'I think if you were to speak to somebody whose employer speaks to them in a certain way, where do you go with that now?

'If a person is up for promotion and has been denied that, where does he go with that now?

'You know, all these things we've been working for and showing that structural racism exists - we talk about the pandemic when you look at how many of our people have died, all the nurses, the doctors, the frontline staff, of Covid, and to have this report denying that those people have suffered... they are denying that the likes of my son was murdered through racism and the fact that it took 18 years to get justice for him. The report is denying all those issues.

'Those people who marched for Black Lives Matter? It's denying all of that. The George Floyd stuff? It's denied all of that.

'So those who sit behind this report (saying) that racism doesn't exist or it no longer exists need to speak to the young boys who are stopped and searched constantly on the street. They need to speak to those young people.'

Baroness Lawrence continued: 'They (the report authors) are not in touch with reality basically.

'That's what it boils down to. When you are privileged you do not have those experiences.
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Guardian- Details Theresa May's perfidious role in making life difficult for Indian students.....Boris Johnson will play the role of playing good cop while the establishment plays bad cop.....behaving as though they are doing us a favor by Talking to Modi....They need us more than we need them.

Them wanting us on their Meteor Project has been conveniently left out

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... with-india
UK faces difficult path as it resumes courtship with India
Boris Johnson is hoping to improve relations with rising superpower but many roadblocks stand in his way

by Patrick Wintour Diplomatic Editor
Tue 6 Apr 2021 05.00 BST

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George Osborne, the former British chancellor, tells the story of how, soon after Narendra Modi had been elected prime minister of India in 2014, he and the then foreign secretary, William Hague, alighted on a plan to fly immediately to India to make sure they were the first through the door to congratulate the new leader of the world’s largest democracy.

They decided to take the only British politician who seemed to know Modi well, Priti Patel, now home secretary, then recently appointed the government’s “India diaspora champion”. There was a pushback in the Whitehall system due to Modi’s record of stirring up inter-community violence in Gujarat – a Republican president in 2005 even banned him from travelling to the US – but the pair decided that the Anglo-Indian relationship was finally ready to shed the layers of imperial legacy. “If we are not going to engage with India, who are we going to engage with?” Osborne asked.

The visit went ahead, but Osborne now concedes the romance never blossomed as he had hoped. Trade with India declined in the David Cameron years. Osborne reflects: “There is a whole string of British governments who think there is a special relationship with India. My experience is that the Indians do not have that view of Britain.”

But the perilous courtship is back on. Johnson has chosen to make his first overseas trip since Brexit later this month to India. For the UK, with its tilt to the Indo-Pacific, an improvement in the relationship with India is indispensable, for security, economic and environmental reasons. But there are many difficult forces at work: Indian demands to access the UK labour market, the UK’s trade ambitions, Modi’s Hindutva nationalism, India’s historical aversion to entangling alliances, and of course the great colonial hangover.

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It’s known that when Johnson and Modi meet, the two countries will sign an enhanced economic partnership agreement (already agreed in outline by the trade secretary, Liz Truss, in February). A 10-year bilateral “roadmap” will also be sealed. The UK’s new high commissioner to India, Alex Ellis, the former deputy national security adviser and original sculptor of the UK integrated foreign and defence review, says a modern trade deal covering digital is quite conceivable. India is the world’s biggest and most strategic consumer tech market. India’s open, diverse consumer power will shape the future of global tech for decades. The UK needs to capitalise on this, Ellis reasons.

In addition, Modi has been invited, along with representatives of South Korea, South Africa and Australia, to the G7 in Cornwall, so forming a putative “democratic 11” ranged against the authoritarian one – China.

But there are many roadblocks, and much detritus, in the way.

The last visit to India by a UK prime minister was made by Theresa May in November 2016, It is remembered as “something of a low point” by Johnson’s brother, Jo, who accompanied May as universities minister and was frustrated by her clampdown on student visas. Lord Bilimoria, the premier Indian business voice in the UK and now president of the CBI, called the visit “an avoidable disaster”.


Days before May’s arrival in New Delhi, the Home Office soured an already poor atmosphere by raising the salary threshold for companies seeking to hire IT labour, reinforcing India’s view that May, as the chief architect of an environment hostile to migration, was no friend of India. As home secretary she had abolished the two-year post graduate visa in 2012 so requiring almost all overseas students, including Indians, to quit the UK as soon as their studies were over.

Jo Johnson, a former FT correspondent in India, argued internally the policy was suicidal since the number of international students the UK attracts was a huge contributor to UK’s soft power. But May was adamant that students be included in the now jettisoned net migration target.

In November 2018 Bilimoria gloomily told the UK foreign affairs select committee that relations between India and the UK were “the lowest he had known them for 15 years”. Of the 750,000 Indian students studying abroad at the time, fewer than 20,000 were in the UK – two-thirds the number in New Zealand. Bilimoria said there was deep resentment that Chinese students and workers were given easier and cheaper visa access to the UK than India. For good measure he had not met a single Indian businessman that thought Brexit was a good idea. Many instead took pity on the UK, he said. Other countries such as France had jostled their way ahead.


India nevertheless lobbied hard after Brexit for May’s points-based migration policy to be more flexible, arguing both India and the UK are world-leading innovation hubs, and in the digital era, cooperation in areas like renewable energy, artificial intelligence and health technology required mobility. But the December 2018 white paper proved a grave disappointment.

India was furious that most migrants would need to be earning above £30,000 a year to qualify for a work visa. To the disappointment of the then home secretary, Sajid Javid, May also only allowed the length of time students could stay after completing their studies to be extended by six months.

India hoped that May’s departure in the spring of 2019 would mark a turning point. Johnson, elected in July 2019, was an Indophile, and more liberal on migration. His former wife Marina Wheeler is half Indian and has written a moving memoir of partition and her mother’s life in Sargodha, once part of British India, and now in Pakistan. Johnson together with his wife travelled many times to India for weddings and to see cousins in Delhi and Mumbai.

The Indian high commission must have felt they had hit a double jackpot when Johnson appointed Patel as home secretary. Her paternal grandparents like Modi were born in Gujarat, and as Cameron’s Indian diaspora champion, she had been first in line to greet Modi at Heathrow airport in 2015. She has unabashedly praised his Hindu nationalism, hailed controversial economic policies such as the de-monetisation in 2016, branded a disaster by Jo Johnson, and has written letters welcoming Modi’s controversial Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh ideologues to the UK.

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The Indian prime minister, Narendra Modi, being greeted by Priti Patel as he arrived at Heathrow airport for a three-day visit in 2015. Photograph: Jonathan Brady/PA
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In September 2019 Patel finally announced that the UK would restore the post-study work visa for international students to two years. The news led within just two quarters to a 300% increase in tier 4 visa applications from India to 25,519. In February 2020 Patel tweaked the May era plan so the minimum earnings threshold dropped from £30,000 to £25,600.

But what most of all has recently pulled India and the UK closer together is not changes to the British cabinet, but a shared fear of China’s rise.

It was not just the fighting between China and India on the Line of Actual Control last year, but a confluence of events that has led to a change in Indian thinking about China, and hence the value of western alliances.

Rajeev Chandrasekhar, a BJP national spokesman and MP, recently explained: “The Indian public now realises post-Covid that there had to be a reset with China. The western democracies, in one of the great ironies of the history world, has over three decades financed and fuelled the rise of a Marxist and authoritarian country in China driven by western capital. It allowed China a free run of the WTO. Covid was the moment in history when the world woke up to the Indo-Pacific area, it is akin to the 9-11 moment when the world woke up to terrorism.”

He pins the blame for India’s previous laxity to China on the now ailing Congress party. “For China, the good times in India began some years ago when the Congress government threw open the Indian markets and consumers to it. China started ratcheting up huge trade surpluses, currently over $50bn (£36bn) annually. As our exports remained flat, imports from China steadily surged – displacing Indian manufacturers and jobs.”

Dr Ganesh Natarajan, in a new report from the Pune International Centre, argued India had to recognise it might be too dependent on China, and strategic autonomy and an aversion to fixed alliances, the central tenet of Indian foreign policy, had to be revisited.

A new network of alliances – of which the UK might be one among 20 – would “enhance our economic growth, decrease asymmetry, build resilient supply chains and rise to the China challenge, the greatest challenge in the entire history of the country”. Modi’s involvement in the 12 March meeting of the Quad – India, Australia, Japan and the US – was a symbol that India was willing to join an alliance to balance Chinese influence, as well as to cooperate on positive issues such as tech, climate change and the pandemic.

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But even if the UK and India have addressed the running sore of migration and found a common enemy in China, the path to a free trade deal may be arduous. Modi has rejected joining the two big regional trading blocs, the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) and the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTTP), and not a single free trade deal has been signed under his premiership.

He instead talks of the vision of Atmanirbhar Bharat, a Hindi phrase which translates as “self-reliant India”. . Some see this as a code for creeping protectionism, and it is undeniable tariffs have been slowly rising.

Sanjeev Sanyal, chief economic adviser to the ministry of finance, hits back, saying: “This is not about going back to socialist India. This is not a return to pre-1992 import substitution.” Instead it is about resilient supply chains, and building India’s manufacturing capacity. But doubts persist. In the areas where the UK is most competitive the professional services such as banking and the laws, India has been most closed.

There are also deeper concerns about Modi’s populism, and what it means for democratic norms. Some of the best thinkers about UK’s role after Brexit, such as Robin Niblett, the director of the prestigious Chatham House thinktank, even labelled India as one of four problem countries for the UK – alongside Saudi Arabia, Russia and Turkey. He wrote recently: “It should be obvious by now that the idea of a deeper relationship with India always promises more than it can deliver. The legacy of British colonial rule consistently curdles the relationship. In contrast, the US has become the most important strategic partner for India, as recent US administrations have intensified their bilateral security relations, putting the UK in the shade.

“India’s complex, fragmented domestic politics have made it one of the countries most resistant to open trade and foreign investment. With average GDP per capita of still only around $2,000, India’s interests rarely align with those of smaller, more economically developed democracies.

“India shies away from joining Britain and others in supporting liberal democracy beyond its shores. To the contrary, the overt Hindu nationalism of the ruling Bharatiya Janata party is weakening the rights of Muslims and other minority religious groups, leading to a chorus of concern that intolerant majoritarianism is replacing the vision of a secular, democratic India bequeathed by Nehru.” Niblett also cited Malevolent Republic, a scathing critique of the personality cult surrounding Modi and the BJP.

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Niblett’s analysis has unsurprisingly bombed in Indian government circles. Syed Akbaruddin, India’s former envoy to the United Nations in New York, said he had never seen a report come from the British establishment “so inimical to India”.

The former Indian foreign secretary, Kanwal Sibal, writing in the Hindustan Times, was equally offended. He wrote: “Britain’s hope after Brexit to be a global broker reflects both its diminished status and its imperial nostalgia. Being a “global broker” goes beyond commissions for financial brokerages. Britain has to be seen as politically unbiased. In our region, it still bats for Pakistan because of an unshed historical attachment to that country. Its claimed superior understanding of Afghanistan from its imperial past has contributed to a befuddled US Afghan policy. Britain has always favoured accommodating the Taliban. All this has been at India’s expense, including its position on the Kashmir issue.”

A recent debate in the Commons on the suppression of the human rights of India’s protesting farmers only led to further resentment, so much so the Indian foreign service summoned Ellis to complain that British MPs were interfering in the internal affairs of India.

But so controversial is Modi in the British diaspora, according to Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi, Labour MP for Slough, who is Sikh, that debate in the UK will never be stifled to Delhi’s satisfaction.

He insisted he and other MPs had a right to show solidarity with the farmer’s protests, and claimed Modi’s deregulation of farming was only in the interests of the big corporations. The personal attacks on him, he said, was “part of a pattern whereby if Sikhs raise their voice they are branded as separatists, terrorists, Khalistanis or when Muslim Indians raise theirs they must be Pakistani, and if Christians say anything they must be under foreign interference. That’s no way to build an inclusive society. There are certain unscrupulous elements of the mainstream media in India and they are doing colossal damage to the integration and diversity of India because it pits one community against another.

“The beauty of being a British parliamentarian is we, day in, day out discuss the world.”

The worry is whether Modi, elected twice, has the same relentless commitment to free speech, or is instead going to let loose the vigilantes on his critics. The US-based non-government organisation Freedom House released a report that classified India as “partly free”, down from “free” earlier. The Sweden-based Varieties of Democracy (V-Dem) Institute has categorised India as an “electoral autocracy”.

Writing on India’s decaying democracy in Foreign Affairs magazine Carnegie fellow Milan Vaishnav said: “The argument is less that its elections are not free and fair but the democratic space between them is shrinking”. The 2019 Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), which offers an accelerated path to citizenship to migrants who are not Muslim, is one example. The forcible closure of Amnesty International’s India office is another.

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But the British Foreign Office has already been warned that British criticism of Modi will only lead to further grief. Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, India’s external affairs minister, has been clear what Modi thinks of those that seek to mark down India. “It is hypocrisy. We have a set of self-appointed custodians of the world who find it very difficult to stomach that somebody in India is not looking for their approval, is not willing to play the game they want to play. So they invent their rules, their parameters, pass their judgments and make it as though this is some kind of global exercise.

“The BJP are called the Hindu nationalists yet we have given vaccines to 70 countries in the world. Tell me internationalist countries how many vaccines have you given?”

The criticism even led to reprisals in the Indian parliament, leading one BJP MP Ashwini Vaishnav to complain: “The treatment of migrants and their segregation in the UK on a racial basis is very well known all over the world.” He pointed to the Covid death rates amongst ethnic minorities. “The era of colonialism is over but its mindset has to change.”

It leaves British officials walking through a minefield, honouring Modi as a member of the D10 at the same time as Modi stifles democracy.

Johnson’s brother is, perhaps, more at liberty than the prime minister to spell out what is at stake. Writing in 2020, Jo Johnson warned Modi’s policy of marginalising Muslims and indulging in a culture war was part of “a battle for India’s soul and against the closing of its own mind”.

Modi, Johnson added, “has restricted free speech and the rights of minorities, making itself an enemy of some of its most prestigious universities, and limiting their appeal to international researchers and academics”. The current controversy over the enforced resignation of the liberal professor Pratap Bhanu Mehta from India’s premier private university is only the latest example of long running curtailment of academic freedom.

So the intriguing question is whether the prime minister shares his brother’s view of Modi, or is he more aligned with his home secretary. And even if it is the former, how completely will he swallow his doubts, knowing India is a rising superpower that the British simply dare not alienate?
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Suraj wrote:Thanks hnair. I plan to write a little more about this topic soon. Education abroad is a high value economic activity by any standard:
Awesome. I see another impactful swarajya article coming.

Would be useful to have the central database logging student complaints (against not just univs but particular univ officials and fac indulging in racism/bullying/hinduphobia/you name it among other things) open to the public where desi academics could source data for sociology research of our own plus could help alums here organize to put pressure on their alma maters based on what shows up in the DB before GoI takes up the matter and sanctions the univ itself.

Only.
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Is there not a law still active, passed by the UK parliament in the 18th/19th century that calls for funds and missionaries to be sent to convert the heathens and pagans in India.
The repeal of that act should be a condition of any trade deal.
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UK/Britain is a blessed country;

Current scenes at Islamabad airport as thousands of Pakistanis try to get back to UK before the country goes on the Red List.

How many cases & ‘new strains’ will we see as a result of this stampede.

Airlines have chartered extra flights to meet the demand


https://twitter.com/PatriotActive66/sta ... 3389776909

https://twitter.com/PatriotActive66/sta ... 6814442503

on going gang raping saga;
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14576434/ ... ls-rights/

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India should keep its immigration rules very tight and as economy grows
more reason to tighten them even more...
Even with its own so-called Indians abroad with OCI cards

USA enjoying multi culty diversity

https://twitter.com/are_eb/status/1379757132745179137

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The article posted above is from the Grauniad

There will be sizeable anti-Indian interests hoping that India will not get anything
out of any country in terms of business/trade...
chinese money/paks/islamists/marxists

Punishing Brits for cra#p written in rags like the grauniad would in my view play
into the hands of elements always wishing to queer the pitch for PM Modi/GoI/India
wherever in the world he may venture.

The world and trade with it is only for chin-paks, islamists and marxists cabals.
I am sure there is no shortage of Brits taking chinese money and working against
Indian interests... BBC/media/economist/guardian/chatam house, list is endless.

Here is goldman shyster chap who coined terms briCs, when he really meant just CHINA.

chatham house

The Right Hon Lord O'Neill
Chair

https://www.chathamhouse.org/about-us/o ... ord-oneill

Jim O’Neill praises China government’s virus response: ‘Thank God this didn’t start in somewhere like India’
PUBLISHED WED, MAR 11 20208:38 AM EDTUPDATED THU, MAR 12 20206:45 AM EDT

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/thank-g ... ponse.html
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Vips wrote:
darshan wrote:I still haven't understood this student loan business in India. I haven't run into anyone that has said anything about honestly repaying it. How does this even benefit India? Most never return back to India.
Most of the students (>90%) who go abroad are from middle class who secure these loans by hypothecating FD's/LIC Policies/Farm Land/Apartment. Irrespective if they return to India or not at least for the loan they have taken there is zero chance of these not being repaid.
^ Absolutely. I was one of them and I paid back every paisa. At one point, 6-months after completion of course, it started to compound at 18% interest. I was going from one end of the world to the other end and was cooling my heels (a time I spent with my Grandparents that I cherish to this day), in India, till I got my papers.

My peers all repaid their loans, in addition we have sent money back to India on a regular basis, invested in India etc.

^^ Darshan ji, at best I find your comment uninformed.
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It is with deep sorrow that Her Majesty The Queen has announced the death of her beloved husband, His Royal Highness The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.

His Royal Highness passed away peacefully this morning at Windsor Castle.
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— The Royal Family (@RoyalFamily) April 9, 2021
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Sanju wrote: ^^ Darshan ji, at best I find your comment uninformed.
Good for repaying. I hope that that's the case that majority is like you. However, I also know many that are in north america who aren't worried for a second about repaying. They have always figured out a way to kick can down the road. Many collaterals aren't anything but NPAs. Digitized records and central databases may prevent various exploitation loopholes in the future. There are many in India who do pay taxes and walk the straight line but we also know that most don't. For example, my father paid taxes as a farmer decades ago to help build nation while no other farmer was paying for kilometers in sight.
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Racist old fart kicks the bucket at age 99.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnew ... ilip-dies/
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https://m.timesofindia.com/world/uk/pri ... 991695.cms


LONDON: Britain's Prince Philip – the Duke of Edinburgh, the husband of Queen Elizabeth II, who passed away at the age of 99 on Friday morning, made three memorable royal visits to India in his long years of accompanying the 94-year-old monarch during her nearly 69-year reign.

The UK's longest-serving royal consort joined the Queen in India in 1961, 1983 and 1997 – during which he made quite an impression with his sense of humour, which often also got him into some controversy.

During his 1961 visit to India, he was pictured with the Queen and the Maharaja and Maharani of Jaipur with a dead eight-foot tiger he had shot while on a hunt. It happened to be the same year he became president of the World Wildlife Fund UK.

He also shot a crocodile and mountain sheep on that trip but it was the photograph of the tiger that caused ripples around the world.

Later in life, he went on to reinvent himself as an environmentalist and “champion of the natural world” as UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson referred to him in his tribute on Friday.

During Prince Philip's last visit to India to mark the 50th anniversary of independence in 1997, he joined the Queen on a visit to Jallianwala Bagh in Amritsar, Punjab, where the royals laid a commemorative wreath at the site associated with General Dyer's orders to open fire on a large Baisakhi gathering in April 1919.

As someone known for his gaffes, among his many infamous ones includes his query of the death toll at the Jallianwala Bagh massacre.

"Two thousand? It wasn't, was it," he questioned, as he passed by a plaque at the memorial, which read “This place is saturated with the blood of about two thousand Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims who were martyred in a non-violent struggle".

"That's wrong. I was in the Navy with Dyer's son. That's a bit exaggerated… it must include the wounded," he is reported to have said.

Among his other gaffes included a quip at Indian-origin entrepreneur Atul Patel during a Buckingham Palace reception for hundreds of successful British Indians in 2009: “There's a lot of your family in tonight.”

Ten years earlier, while inspecting a factory in Edinburgh and coming across an old-fashioned fuse box, he said: “It looks as if it was put in by an Indian.”
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Rudradev wrote:Racist old fart kicks the bucket at age 99.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnew ... ilip-dies/
The best thing about his kicking the bucket is that we don't have to hear each and every time he was taken to the hospital.

Any normal citizen would have had his driving license taken away at age 97 but this guy was driving and caused an accident. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... andringham

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. One Indian origin contributor on The Guardian wrote that once at an exhibition she was introduced to Charles and he replied that he was amazed that she spoke such good English and complimented her and walked away. Even though this lady was born and brought up in the UK.
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There are many born in the UK who live in Islamist ghettoland who don't bother about integration while their folk turn parts of Britain into Sharia sh*tholes. However,the wheel of fate has turned a lot.We now have Sunak and Patel in key cabinet positions in the UK govt. Many top industries are Indian-owned.I think Tata is the biggest employer too.

Reg.driving licences,I know of a Brit. doc. passed on , old family friend,who was in India for decades who sadly had his driving licence taken away at the age of '94! Drove perfectly, would always pick us up from the station until his licence was taken away. Britain is a monarchy and that's their system.Prince Philip ( condolences to HM and the family,let's remain civilised) was a character,plenty of gaffes,but was outspoken and entertaining,better than many other establishment slimeballs who were devious and cunning and pro-Paki,anti- Indian ,quite a few in the BBC. A lot of Labour members are anti-Indian vermin who use us as a whipping boy to get Paki votes. BoJo is comin'- a- visiting soon. Whether the demise of the Duke of Edin. will delay it or not isn't known as yet. However,I'm sure that our side have a lot to tell that frisky philanderer of No.10!
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For a man who didnt offer any message of remorse on JWB massacre, but only voice an opinion on the number of dead, his character has strong flavor of genocide.

I generally have problems with condolence messages given to scoundrels. This trait pairs well with divided loyalties. I mean does 1000+ dead not mean anything to Indians anymore. When did we become so numb and immune to our own countrymen's lives? If a family member of a victim's were standing in front of us, what would we say to him? What is the solace for them?
Ask yourselves - what would you do?


Udham Singh was right...they are dirty dogs. I wish in my life time that I see UK broken, sunk in debt, ridden with civil strife & the populace suffer as much as my ancestors did. I want them to go after each other, the Scots & Irish go to war with them and I want to see the their dead piled up on the streets with vultures watching. I _may_ change my opinion if they offer reparations and an apology note by all parliamentarians every time the parliament convenes for the year for the next 200 years.
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I really would like to know why the scoundrels havent officially apologized for their colonization, looting, murder, famines. And no, I have wondered why even before NL apologized to Indonesia.
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That’s why I think we need the China model of growth and building narratives, outstrip them economically so that their kids can line up outside our gates for jobs... unfortunately our vermin’s won’t let that happen easily. If I am a native Londoner today I would be aghast at the skyline and hi speed train network of most Chinese cities... post independence we should have first analysed how we were colonised twice and acknowledged our faults and gone on to achieve greater things ... revenge in the belly can be a bigger drive than just greed.
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Maybe just like Momma, Duke had a split personality.
Remember momma was asylummed for Schizophrenia!
Was a passable painter widely read man gave up orthodox church for marriage born a prince lived in penury until adulthood (or dependent on grand father and uncle financially)
All in all did leave some memorable gaffe's to remember!!
Why speak ill of the dead? let him go peacefully
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Calling them racists is like calling them white. That's the baseline. They are not any different than Nazis. If Hitler had succeeded then everyone would have been sending condolences like they are doing now for this britisher.
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Neela wrote:I _may_ change my opinion if they offer reparations and an apology note by all parliamentarians every time the parliament convenes for the year for the next 200 years.
Forget reparations or apologies. Britain is too poor, too dumb, and too mired in its own filth to be able to pay back India for all that the Brits stole from it.

I have said this before and will say it again. British leaders were and are war criminals. Down to their very core. The most notable of them was Churchill.

Common citizens of India and elsewhere can band together on this. There is no statute of limitations. Churchill should be prosecuted as a war criminal as his actions directly resulted in the deaths of more than 4 million Indians during WW-II. Even if the case fails to get a judgment in the International Criminal Court, at least the world will begin to look at this racist bigot and thug in a different light.

https://medium.com/@write_12958/the-cri ... e3ecb229b3

The crimes of Winston Churchill
Churchill was a genocidal maniac. He is fawned over in Britain and held up as a hero of the nation — voted ‘Greatest Briton’ of all time. Below is the real history of Churchill. The history of a white supremacist whose hatred for Indians led to four million starving to death. The man who loathed Irish people so much he conceived different ways to terrorise them. A racist thug who waged war on black people across Africa and in Britain. This is the trial of Winston Churchill, the enemy of all humanity.
“I’d rather see them have a good civil war”. — Churchill wishing partition on India
Churchill said that the creation of Pakistan, which has been an imperialist outpost for the British and Americans since its inception, was Britain’s “bit of India”.
“I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion” he would say.
When the starving people of Bengal asked for food, Churchill said the ‘famine’ was their own fault “for breeding like rabbits”. The Viceroy of India said “Churchill’s attitude towards India and the famine is negligent, hostile and contemptuous”. Even the right wing imperialist Leo Amery who was the British Secretary of State in India said he “didn’t see much difference between his [Churchill] outlook and Hitler’s”.
The Bengal famine wasn’t enough for Churchill’s blood lust, he wished his favorite war criminal Arthur Harris could have bombed them.
“The Arab and Kurd now know what real bombing means within 45 minutes a full-sized village can be practically wiped out, and a third of its inhabitants killed or injured, by four or five machines which offer them no real target, no opportunity for glory as warriors, no effective means of escape”. — Arthur ‘Bomber’ Harris.
“I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against the uncivilized tribes… it would spread a lively terror.” — Churchill on the use of gas in the Middle East and India
It needs to be put once and for all that Churchill was despicable, racist, war criminal. Some will argue his “sins” are expiated for his actions during the second world war. It is nothing but nonsense to suggest Churchill went out to fight fascism. He lauded Mussolini as a “roman genius”, donated to Nazi war criminal Erich Von Manstien’s criminal defence and sought to desperatly cling on to the British Empire from which Hitler himself took inspiration for his Reich. What we have to remember is Churchill was not a uniquely villianous British Prime Minister. He was not out of ordinary but in fact a true representation of Britain.
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Rsatchi wrote:Maybe just like Momma, Duke had a split personality.
Remember momma was asylummed for Schizophrenia!
Was a passable painter widely read man gave up orthodox church for marriage born a prince lived in penury until adulthood (or dependent on grand father and uncle financially)
All in all did leave some memorable gaffe's to remember!!
Why speak ill of the dead? let him go peacefully
this guy was related to apna mountbatten who was very very keen that the queen gave up her family name and take instead the family name of the prince which was mountbatten.

It was vehemently nixed by the queen's side and they stuck with windsor which would continue in perpetuity. uncle churchill had a hand in this

momma was not asylummed, perish the thought.

she was an honored guest who gracefully resided for a time at a renowned institute of intellectual accomplishment that was dedicated to the investigation of the basics of the cognitive processes.

She was devoted to generously giving of her time to the intellectual inquiries and personally furthered the cause of exploring the complex psychiatric challenges that profoundly affected the society of her times.
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chetak wrote:...they stuck with windsor which would continue in perpetuity.
As a Windsor, Queen Elizabeth II, as head of state, "owns the superior interest in all land in England, Wales, and Northern Ireland". The Queen receives a salary of $97.2 million...It comes from a portfolio of land held in trust for the current reigning monarch.

The Mountbatten family (originally Battenbergs from Germany) would own zilch.
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chetak wrote:
Rsatchi wrote:Maybe just like Momma, Duke had a split personality.
Remember momma was asylummed for Schizophrenia!
Was a passable painter widely read man gave up orthodox church for marriage born a prince lived in penury until adulthood (or dependent on grand father and uncle financially)
All in all did leave some memorable gaffe's to remember!!
Why speak ill of the dead? let him go peacefully
this guy was related to apna mountbatten who was very very keen that the queen gave up her family name and take instead the family name of the prince which was mountbatten.
Louis's Nephew saar.
Momma was old Battenburg's daughter
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Pakistanis couldn't get a piece of the IPL, Paki london mayor wants to bring IPL action to Londonistan

Now news about it in Indian news papers but Yawn reporting it

London mayor wants to host IPL matches in British capital
Mayor Sadiq Khan said he is working with London-based cricket team Surrey about the feasibility of getting IPL franchises to play in London, saying the city has benefitted from having NFL, NBA, NHL and Major League Baseball teams come across the Atlantic for games in recent years.

Khan, an avid cricket fan, now wants to see India’s top players come over.

“The idea of only seeing [Virat] Kohli or [Rohit] Sharma or [Jasprit] Bumrah when the Indian team comes is heartbreaking,” he said. I want [M.S.] Dhoni in London with Chennai. That’s why I am really keen on working with Surrey and others to get IPL to London.”

“I don’t want London just to be a place where Indians invest and shoot Bollywood movies, I want the IPL here as well. The other thing is that India is a massive investor in our city. We are the number one city in Europe that India invests in, we’re number two in the world after Dubai."

“Indians love cricket, we love cricket, we love Indians. We want this to be a bridge between India and London"
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anupmisra wrote:
chetak wrote:...they stuck with windsor which would continue in perpetuity.
As a Windsor, Queen Elizabeth II, as head of state, "owns the superior interest in all land in England, Wales, and Northern Ireland". The Queen receives a salary of $97.2 million...It comes from a portfolio of land held in trust for the current reigning monarch.

The Mountbatten family (originally Battenbergs from Germany) would own zilch.
louis mountbatten wanted his name in the dynasty going forward. that was his plan, period.

the king shut it down.
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Rsatchi wrote:
chetak wrote:
this guy was related to apna mountbatten who was very very keen that the queen gave up her family name and take instead the family name of the prince which was mountbatten.
Louis's Nephew saar.
Momma was old Battenburg's daughter
phillip's mother was the affected party, no

or was I mistaken
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While we are still on the subject, one more nugget to ruminate on.

Phillip was the great, great, grandson of old Victoria. Elizabeth is the great, great, granddaughter of old Victoria. While they did not share any direct parentage or any cross breeding from the "great, great" era, Charlie boy is a product of their union.

Think about it.
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