Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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MARK ALMOND: What else can we expect from a leader so vain he named a vast stadium after himself?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... mself.html

Mark Almond is director of the Crisis Research Institute, Oxford

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IndraD wrote:https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/wat ... union-jack
outrage in UK after BBC disrespects Union Jack. Guests after guests on other channels seething regarding how BBC has become adda of wokes, #DefundtheBBC is trending.
Hardly.. And it's the union flag.. Not the union jack.. That's flown on ships.. And the idiot was also flying it upside down.. The problem is that the politicians are wanking themselves silly to see who has the biggest flag in the background in their house.. It's nothing more than chest thumping nationalism... The BBC is crap but don't for a minute think it's about 'disrepecting' the flag..

India should be encouraging this.. Also helping the sucessionist movements in Scotland and Wales.. It's time to encourage partition.. And also at the same time reaching out to the unification parties in Northern Ireland so they can get their stolen land back...

BTW the likes of the daily wail and the express are specifically written for the racists of Britain.. They hate India and what it has achieved once freed from the oppressive yoke of British rule and are jealous that whilst they are going down on the world stage, India is rising.. They still think that Britain pays for everything in the world, not that it ever did and they have a racial superiority complex that will only end when they are rotting in the ground and feeding worms...
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nachiket wrote:Western commentators and historians have always given too much credit to the British for defeating the Germans anyway. The Russians deserve far more credit for that than the British. Germany's first and biggest defeats were on the Eastern Front. The Russians were fighting them continuously from 41 to 45 while the British were mostly twiddling their thumbs after the defeat in the Battle of France and the failed German aerial offensive over Britain. The only fighting they did was in North Africa and plenty of Indian soldiers fought in those battles. Meanwhile, German defeats at Stalingrad and Kursk (largest tank battle of all time) happened in 1943. The Russians literally chased them all the way from Moscow to Berlin fighting continuously over the entire front. Stalin did not leave Moscow even when the Germans were nearly within sight of the city and the Red Army had lost every battle till then.

Even when the Western front finally became hot, it was the industrial and military might of the US that saved the day (and indeed made the Normandy landings possible in the first place). Churchill had a great talent of making speeches and improving morale (and carrying out genocides of brown people) but all that would have been useless if the Americans hadn't come in and if the Russians hadn't broken the back of the Wehrmacht in the east. The Americans saved their bacon in the Pacific too by beating the Japanese.
Churchill is one of the most overrated people of modern times. Even the decision of Britain to join the war was not his. It was the much maligned Neville Chamberlain. Of course like other Indians and most Asians and Africans under European regimes, I am thrilled that the Second World War happened and how long it lasted. It was not Gandhi but WW2 that brought India its independence. However, from a British POV, World War 2 was going to be a disaster and it is a pyrrhic victory and Chamberlain had correctly guessed that. That is why he tried to avoid the war by making a deal with Hitler on Suedentanland. Churchill was a disaster during WW1 in the Battle of Galipoli and it was only his aristocratic lineage that saved his rear. Nothing spectacular happened when he was the Prime Minister from May 1940 to June 1941 and there was no Russia or the US.
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The question is not of Churchill's dubious greatness but why the British think him so?

Churchill rode the American coat tails to victory, his English 'aristocratic', as you put it,curishness would not let him acknowledge the heroic Soviet war effort without which Germany would almost certainly have invaded Britain.

But I suppose if you write the history for fools and knaves, you get also get to mould your own hagiography. I think the English call it' panache', a much admired trait amongst them.
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sanjaykumar wrote: Churchill rode the American coat tails to victory, his English 'aristocratic', as you put it,curishness would not let him acknowledge the heroic Soviet war effort without which Germany would almost certainly have invaded Britain.
Actually, that is another bit of hyperbole that the British themselves have propagated over the years to make their "achievement" of doing nothing till the Americans came in look like a victory. Even a cursory analysis of rather modest German naval capabilities of that time make it clear that they never had the wherewithal to launch a D-Day style invasion of Britain. Even if the Luftwaffe had "won" the Battle Of Britain, Operation Sea Lion the German plan for invasion was never really feasible. Germany did not have the capacity to hold off the Royal navy in the English Channel while filling enough ships with to cross the channel with the entire invasion force. And most importantly, Hitler was far more interested in the vast lands and resources available to the east (populated by Slavs whom he considered inferior) than one cold, rainy island to the north populated by his "aryan" cousins. But the British narrative after the war would have you believe it was Churchill's resolute stand and "We shall fight them on the beaches..yada yada" oratory that convinced Hitler not to invade.

On the other hand, if the English Channel did not exist and Hitler had decided on an Operation Barbarossa style invasion of Britain, then Churchill or no Churchill, they would have been soundly beaten. Early in the war, with no American help, they had no idea how to defeat the likes of Guderian and Manstein on the field of battle. That had been proven in France itself.
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Tanaji wrote:Just as posting links to Pakistani newspapers and blogs is banned outside of certain threads, the time has come to do the same regarding rags such as daily Mail and the Sun.
Pakis and the above magazines have the same standards...
Tanaji Sir, please do not make that suggestion. Sirji, I go to the Daily Mail looking for articles on India, but stay on for the bikini clad pictures they put on their pages. Would you take away that little pleasure?
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^^Hitler had no compunction invading Danmark and Norway, where his ideal human beings lived.


The Buzz bombs devasted London. Morale had plummeted, the English were on rationing with more bread than meat in the bangers.

The German operations of the battle of the Atlantic were to in fact starve the British as the island imported massive amounts of food and cattle feed.
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nachiket wrote:Western commentators and historians have always given too much credit to the British for defeating the Germans anyway. The Russians deserve far more credit for that than the British. Germany's first and biggest defeats were on the Eastern Front. The Russians were fighting them continuously from 41 to 45 while the British were mostly twiddling their thumbs after the defeat in the Battle of France and the failed German aerial offensive over Britain. The only fighting they did was in North Africa and plenty of Indian soldiers fought in those battles. Meanwhile, German defeats at Stalingrad and Kursk (largest tank battle of all time) happened in 1943. The Russians literally chased them all the way from Moscow to Berlin fighting continuously over the entire front. Stalin did not leave Moscow even when the Germans were nearly within sight of the city and the Red Army had lost every battle till then.
Even when the Western front finally became hot, it was the industrial and military might of the US that saved the day (and indeed made the Normandy landings possible in the first place). Churchill had a great talent of making speeches and improving morale (and carrying out genocides of brown people) but all that would have been useless if the Americans hadn't come in and if the Russians hadn't broken the back of the Wehrmacht in the east. The Americans saved their bacon in the Pacific too by beating the Japanese.
Nachiketji, I would like to add that the D-day could have happened one year early. That was Stalin's demand. But it was delayed to bleed both the USSR and Germany. Both Churchill and Roosevelt postponed the landing to ensure the dominance of the Western Powers in a post WWII era that faced a war torn weak and non-nuclear USSR. If they had waited any longer the entire Germany would have been under USSR. More than 95% of German casualty happened at the Eastern front. More than estimated 20 million Russians perished in WWII, Gorbachev revised this figure to 26 million. This clearly shows the seriousness of the War in the Eastern front. In comparison the War in the West was tame. As you mention, the US government did play a decisive role in WWII European front. This was not due to fighting the Germans, but for supplying war materials to the Soviet Union.
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Kashi wrote:
Tanaji wrote:Just as posting links to Pakistani newspapers and blogs is banned outside of certain threads, the time has come to do the same regarding rags such as daily Mail and the Sun.

Pakis and the above magazines have the same standards...
Which UK paper has standards??
The times of London as per Lutyens and BBC trusting 1% Indian elites.
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UK Judge restores British Citizenship to 3 adults convicted of joining and fighting for ISIS

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/21862771 ... -defectors

UK in particular and EU in general is on a rapid path towards total self destruction. In 30 to 40 yrs time we will likely see Syria, Libya kinda civil war play out in many European countries.
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Ambar wrote:UK Judge restores British Citizenship to 3 adults convicted of joining and fighting for ISIS

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/21862771 ... -defectors

UK in particular and EU in general is on a rapid path towards total self destruction. In 30 to 40 yrs time we will likely see Syria, Libya kinda civil war play out in many European countries.
they are being delusional in what could be one of worst political decisions they made., France and Netherlands and in some ways Germany have been more decisive and and active in denying the faithless political control. UK seems to be afflicted by the perils of centuries of misappropriating other countries resources. Karma is returning that favor. There is absolutely no escape for them. Expect them to join the ranks of Aussies in the lower rung of OECD.
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Haresh wrote:MARK ALMOND: What else can we expect from a leader so vain he named a vast stadium after himself?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... mself.html

Mark Almond is director of the Crisis Research Institute, Oxford

As usual check the comments out.

Modi FCRA effect.

causes relentless itching in some unmentionable places.

So far there is no cure

many gora and RNI experts are still scratching away
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This might have been posted before but still posting From here India had the sixth highest number of casualties. it was more than the US, UK, France, Italy, Australia and Korea combined.
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Kedar wrote:From here India had the sixth highest number of casualties. it was more than the US, UK, France, Italy, Australia and Korea combined.
These countries were fighting for their freedom. India did not have that freedom.
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g.sarkar wrote:
Kedar wrote:From here India had the sixth highest number of casualties. it was more than the US, UK, France, Italy, Australia and Korea combined.
These countries were fighting for their freedom. India did not have that freedom.
Gautam
Add another 3M dead in 1943 during the Bengal famine after Churchill deliberately ordered the diversion of food from the starving Indian State of Bengal to top up European stockpiles where it was not needed. Churchill should have been tried as a war criminal.
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anupmisra wrote:
g.sarkar wrote: These countries were fighting for their freedom. India did not have that freedom.
Gautam
Add another 3M dead in 1943 during the Bengal famine after Churchill deliberately ordered the diversion of food from the starving Indian State of Bengal to top up European stockpiles where it was not needed. Churchill should have been tried as a war criminal.
I dont think it was only a Bengal famine, but a Pan India famine except North West as they were Considred as "Martial Races" by the British and at the before WW 2 were the main recruitment ground for British Indian Army.
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UK lectures other countries on right to protest, despite the fact it's the ordinary public which is mostly affected by these protests as the protestors brazenly block roads and destroy public and private properties. Meanwhile what they do in their country is to bring a bill to put restrictions on protests through The Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill
Police chiefs will be able to put more conditions on static protests.

They will be able to:
Impose a start and finish time
Set noise limits
Apply these rules to a demonstration by just one person
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It will also become a crime to fail to follow restrictions the protesters "ought" to have known about, even if they have not received a direct order from an officer.
At present, police need to prove protesters knew they had been told to move on, before they can be said to have broken the law.
The proposed law includes an offence of "intentionally or recklessly causing public nuisance".
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What else does the legislation propose?
Changing sentencing rules so that serious criminals spend more time in jail before they can be conditionally released
Judges will be allowed to consider jailing child murderers for their entire lives
Maximum sentences for low-level assaults against emergency service workers doubled to two years
On terrorism, the bill creates powers to more closely monitor offenders released from prison
Community sentences for less serious crime to address underlying problems in offenders' lives
Changes to sexual offences law to tackle abusive adults in positions of trust, such as sports coaches and religious figures
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Zarah Sultana, the leftist Labour party Member of Parliament for Coventry South, claimed that “racism is a feature of capitalism” on the United Nations’ so-called “Anti-Racism Day”.
https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status ... 7879089153

Oh UK ! You are soo toast ! :rotfl:
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It was the Bengal famine( together with any other famine deaths throughout India) that has caused India's casualty figure in WW2 to be so high. Without it, India's deaths and injuries in combat, would certainly not have been higher than the US, UK, France et al. The figures are still high, and the use of Indians as cannon fodder( once again) is absolutely despicable and unforgettable. There is still, to this day, insufficient appreciation for the contribution of Indians in WW2. In all those WW2 movies, how many show Indians involved in battles, fighting and taking casualties?
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anupmisra wrote:
g.sarkar wrote: These countries were fighting for their freedom. India did not have that freedom.
Gautam
Add another 3M dead in 1943 during the Bengal famine after Churchill deliberately ordered the diversion of food from the starving Indian State of Bengal to top up European stockpiles where it was not needed. Churchill should have been tried as a war criminal.
what stops us from trying him as a war criminal now, along with the sovereign in whose name he wielded power

we are a free country and can try him for crimes against the Indian people.

There is no statute of limitation on war crimes
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anti BJP is OK but this low IQ creep is also a colonial sepoy who loves to kiss the whiteman's butt
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It would have been much more impressive if he had claimed that he had smashed idols of Jesus and Mary.
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Could someone in the know how please enlighten as to what exactly is the Oxford Hindu society. They have put up a joint statement

https://www.opindia.com/2021/03/oxford- ... t-details/
Despite whitewashing the ill-treatment meted out to Rashmi Samant, the Oxford India Society attempted to come across as ‘neutral’. In a conciliatory tone, it urged Abhijit Sarkar to “take responsibility for his words and apologise to Ms Samant.” While carefully avoiding his anti-Hindu rhetorics, the statement focused only on his statement pertaining to her parents. “Ms Samant’s parents and their religious beliefs had no place in a conversation about Ms Samant’s reprehensible actions,” it added.
So called atheist professor had made a post that said "Oxford cannot accept Sanatanis as president".

Do these people who call themselves the Oxford Hindu society care? Or are these some Marxists coming together to hoodwink others? Does the Oxford "Hindu" society care about the insults to Hindu divinity. Or the breaking down of Hindu Idols? What kind of Hindus are these?

Is there not some one big enough who can call out this BS.

Imagine the situation if a Muslim/Islam was treated this way.
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UKistan has been reduced to Leftistan .. if you see the recent Bristol anarchist riots you will see the future

https://twitter.com/NormanBrennan/statu ... et%3DTweet
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nachiket wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote: Churchill rode the American coat tails to victory, his English 'aristocratic', as you put it,curishness would not let him acknowledge the heroic Soviet war effort without which Germany would almost certainly have invaded Britain.
Actually, that is another bit of hyperbole that the British themselves have propagated over the years to make their "achievement" of doing nothing till the Americans came in look like a victory. Even a cursory analysis of rather modest German naval capabilities of that time make it clear that they never had the wherewithal to launch a D-Day style invasion of Britain. Even if the Luftwaffe had "won" the Battle Of Britain, Operation Sea Lion the German plan for invasion was never really feasible. Germany did not have the capacity to hold off the Royal navy in the English Channel while filling enough ships with to cross the channel with the entire invasion force. And most importantly, Hitler was far more interested in the vast lands and resources available to the east (populated by Slavs whom he considered inferior) than one cold, rainy island to the north populated by his "aryan" cousins. But the British narrative after the war would have you believe it was Churchill's resolute stand and "We shall fight them on the beaches..yada yada" oratory that convinced Hitler not to invade.

On the other hand, if the English Channel did not exist and Hitler had decided on an Operation Barbarossa style invasion of Britain, then Churchill or no Churchill, they would have been soundly beaten. Early in the war, with no American help, they had no idea how to defeat the likes of Guderian and Manstein on the field of battle. That had been proven in France itself.
that is why donitz tried to build up his U boat fleet to target and sink allied shipping and thus cut off the supply chain and to starve the britshits into submission and get them to negotiate/sue for peace/submit.

too bad for the nazis that their plans did not go the way that donitz had intended and their own manufacturing hubs were methodically targeted and destroyed

in the end it was the sheer unstoppable and massive momentum of ameriki manufacturing prowess that saved the britshit bacon.

the hans seem to have learned their history lessons very well.
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Does Abhijit Sarkar have an OCI card?

Does he have property and/or financial interests in India?

Does he have close family and/or relatives in India?

There are all manner of things that can be done. I think the current GOI is far too scared of being accused of "victimizing political opponents". The fact is, vermin like Sarkar (and their handlers) are going to cry victimhood in ANY case, even if nothing whatsoever is done. So might as well make it worth our while.
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I just wanted to point out that the entire Oxford and media cabal is cyberbullying Rashmi Samant even now. So much so that she is suffering from severe depression, doesn't want to eat and is hospitalized. While this is happening, the posts made by the human waste of a professor Abhijit Sarkar is still brazenly up. And it's been a month ever since they were discovered.
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It appears that GoI needs to implement a system of multi-year sanction/embargo on universities with a record of mistreating Indian students. This should include no clearance of loans by banks/RBI, and emigration clearance failure where the student visa indicated a sanctioned university. Students who already are attending probably cannot be hampered, but no further permissions for, say, 5 years.
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Another sad aspect of it is that the Indian embassy in UK is silent on this issue. Inspite of our foreign minister clearing mentioning this issue in the parliament, from what I know there is no mention of this issue from the UK embassy. Why is the embassy not getting involved in this to see the matter to its logical conclusion? If our bright, young and hardworking people are shattered and broken due to the vicious bullying and hounding like this in foreign universities. And the perpetrators are moving scotfree and even taunting us. What does it show about us? And the about Indian embassy which is supposed to help Indians abroad?

The saddest part of all this is the trauma Rashmi had to go through. I just hope she rises like a Phoenix from this.
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This GOI had a policy of avoid controversy, grin and bear it, to allow NaMo to work his personal rapport with leaders, conduct his roadshows etc. This policy extended to giving the local media a long rope, and letting the left ecosystem be as it was, so as to ensure the existing crowd did not attempt to sabotage his economic and growth focused policies in India and abroad.

However, I suspect even he has realized that irrespective of how straight and fair he plays, the sheer bigotry and uncouth villainy in the woke-left crowd, India and abroad, plus their assorted ecosystem will not let India be. So in coming days, expect more assertiveness. Even somebody as suave and unflappable as Jaishankar openly called the so called western analysts out for their hypocrisy, and NaMo himself made reference to the toolkit in his speech. So more and more, we will adopt a dual track approach, a friendly, pro-business setup to capitalize on FDI, but at the same time, fighting back more and more.

The rise of China's aggression has come at an opportune time. Their gloves are off, to the degree, that even their paid for hacks in the west, are struggling to defend them. India is the only country with the manufacturing and manpower heft to challenge PRC. However, regime change will still be in interest of those who want India to be a servile supporter, not an independent power in its own right.

But the huge investments we have put into infra, the business reforms, the umpteen decisions to raise our standard of living for the marginalized groups, all will have a spillover effect. It will be interesting to see how the RSS and co, fight and defeat the 70 years of centripetal groups aided and abetted by the left, such as the various caste-region groups. To do so, it is essential the BJP remain in power.

I suspect it will be the third term, where NaMo will really implement the most wide ranging changes. After that, it will likely be Shah and then Yogi.
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China spent a long time quietly stomaching insults during the Deng/Jiang/Hu eras. There's a selective belief that they were much more vocal, but its often been for show. E.g. we haven't had our embassy bombed by anyone like they had. It's only in the Eleven era that they've gone wolf warrior. Our time will come.
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Suraj wrote:China spent a long time quietly stomaching insults during the Deng/Jiang/Hu eras. There's a selective belief that they were much more vocal, but its often been for show. E.g. we haven't had our embassy bombed by anyone like they had. It's only in the Eleven era that they've gone wolf warrior. Our time will come.
I think they were very very angry when their embassy was bombed.
TEARS OF RAGE:

CHINESE NATIONALIST REACTIONS TO THE BELGRADE EMBASSY BOMBING

Peter Hays Gries

The US bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade in May 1999 sparked mass protests from Chinese across the globe. Few accepted America's explanation that the bombing (and subsequent death of three Chinese journalists) was a mistake caused by the CIA's use of outdated maps. Chinese students in the United States and Europe demonstrated against what they called "NATO fascism". The American consul's residence in Chengdu was firebombed. In Beijing Chinese students demanded revenge, chanting "Blood for blood!" Others threw bricks at US embassy buildings as People's Liberation Army soldiers looked on, and Ambassador James Sasser and other American diplomats were trapped inside for days.

The demonstrations shocked the US media, which quickly pointed blame at the Chinese government for inflaming the protests. A brief review of major US newspaper editorials of 11 May reveals a consensus view: the Chinese people were not genuinely angry with (innocent) America: they were, rather, manipulated by Communist propaganda that the bombing was intentional. The San Francisco Chronicle complained that Beijing "failed to tell its citizens that the U.S. attack was an accident and that President Clinton has apologized to Beijing". The Washington Post declared: "The Big Lie is alive and well in Beijing .. It should come as no surprise, after weeks of internal propaganda, that many ordinary Chinese now believe the embassy bombing was deliberate". Such "state-supervised anger", the Boston Globe declared, was neither genuine nor popular. The "brutes in Beijing" were responsible for the Chinese people'...
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Being angry means little without ability to do anything . When it comes to these universities it’s better that we have a sanction list in place, with loans and bank transfers thru RBI forbidden and emigration clearance refused to those who try to go there . This can apply for a few years . You’d be surprised how many hearts and minds are turned through the wallet .
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"Vengeance should never be seen as that. It should always be unexpected. And it should rarely be public.

Vengeance is patient. It can wait a lifetime, if necessary, because it never dies."

-Rodrigo Borgia (aka Pope Alexander VI) in "The Borgias"
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I've always wondered why Madan Lal Dhingra - who killed Curzon Wylie in 1909 - isn't much more well known. His last statement in court is particularly noteworthy, but I neither learned about him in school, nor did I ever read this statement until much later:
Madan Lal Dhingra
"I do not want to say anything in defence of myself, but simply to prove the justice of my deed. As for myself, no English law court has got any authority to arrest and detain me in prison, or pass sentence of death on me. That is the reason I did not have any counsel to defend me."

"And I maintain that if it is patriotic in an Englishman to fight against the Germans if they were to occupy this country, it is much more justifiable and patriotic in my case to fight against the English.I hold the English people responsible for the murder of 80 millions of Indian people in the last fifty years, and they are also responsible for taking away ₤100,000,000 every year from India to this country. I also hold them responsible for the hanging and deportation of my patriotic countrymen, who did just the same as the English people here are advising their countrymen to do. And the Englishman who goes out to India and gets, say, ₤100 a month, that simply means that he passes a sentence of death on a thousand of my poor countrymen, because these thousand people could easily live on this ₤100, which the Englishman spends mostly on his frivolities and pleasures. Just as the Germans have no right to occupy this country, so the English people have no right to occupy India, and it is perfectly justifiable on our part to kill the Englishman who is polluting our sacred land. I am surprised at the terrible hypocrisy, the farce, and the mockery of the English people. They pose as the champions of oppressed humanity—the peoples of the Congo and the people of Russia—when there is terrible oppression and horrible atrocities committed in India; for example, the killing of two millions of people every year and the outraging of our women. In case this country is occupied by Germans, and the Englishman, not bearing to see the Germans walking with the insolence of conquerors in the streets of London, goes and kills one or two Germans, and that Englishman is held as a patriot by the people of this country, then certainly I am prepared to work for the emancipation of my Motherland. Whatever else I have to say is in the paper before the Court I make this statement, not because I wish to plead for mercy or anything of that kind. I wish that English people should sentence me to death, for in that case the vengeance of my countrymen will be all the more keen. I put forward this statement to show the justice of my cause to the outside world, and especially to our sympathisers in America and Germany."

"I have told you over and over again that I do not acknowledge the authority of the Court, You can do whatever you like. I do not mind at all. You can pass sentence of death on me. I do not care. You white people are all-powerful now, but, remember, it shall have our turn in the time to come, when we can do what we like."
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Revealed: police barred from searching Queen's estates for looted artefacts
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -artefacts
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The surrender continues....

Grammar school teacher is 'suspended' for 'showing pupils cartoons of Prophet Muhammad' in RE lesson - as head apologises for 'great offence to community' while police calm furious Muslim parents outside gates

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... class.html
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west yorkshire is Pakistan in Britain, its nucleus Bradford is completely taken ^^
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Dinghra,thou art a prophet!

Britain is fast turning into Britainistan with political correctness,BLM,Antifa and Islamic fundoos ravaging that " green and pleasant land". The anarchists and the vandals of the Left want nothing better but to destroy the great heritage of Britain,warts and all,taking issues of the past out of context and vandalising statues just like Pol Pot. The hordes of Islamic lunatic fundoos want their perverted vision of Islam to spread across the isles like a rapacious cancer,and the authotities especially the police are treating them with kid gloves in order not to upset the human right activist NGOs much the same as some are doing back home.

Let's see what BoJo is going to bring with him on his imprnding visit. Forsooth not Harry and gold-dgger Meghan ,Hollywood canhave them forever! Al l, a little bird says that BoJo might make a trip to the remote south, anyone heard the same?
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