Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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The Briturds are often fond of pointing to German Nazi past. Any bets on the Ukstanis ever compensating Bharat for the many genocides they did during their enslavement?

Germany will pay Namibia $1.3bn as it formally recognizes colonial-era genocide
More than 100 years after the crimes committed by the German colonial power in what is now Namibia, Germany has formally recognized the atrocities committed against the Herero and Nama ethnic groups as genocide.

Germany will support Namibia and the descendants of the victims with €1.1 billion for reconstruction and development and ask for forgiveness for the "crimes of German colonial rule," German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said in a statement on Friday.
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But they gave India railways.
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At g7 meet leaders watch an aeroplane in astonishment
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some more pics from g7

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blast from past
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overall
-ameer and oonche log will provide 1 billion vaccine to the world by end of next year
-Ireland !!!!!!
-Brexit ghost looms large

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57461693 G7 summit: Has this been a meeting that mattered?
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Manish_P wrote:The Briturds are often fond of pointing to German Nazi past. Any bets on the Ukstanis ever compensating Bharat for the many genocides they did during their enslavement?

Germany will pay Namibia $1.3bn as it formally recognizes colonial-era genocide
More than 100 years after the crimes committed by the German colonial power in what is now Namibia, Germany has formally recognized the atrocities committed against the Herero and Nama ethnic groups as genocide.

Germany will support Namibia and the descendants of the victims with €1.1 billion for reconstruction and development and ask for forgiveness for the "crimes of German colonial rule," German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said in a statement on Friday.
From 1939 to 1945, the UK removed GBP 1 million/day from Indian treasuries consisting of silver and gold. The UK owes India big time.
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sanjaykumar wrote:But they gave India railways.
The creation of Indian rail and in the funding of the same itself is a big looting activity. There is a book published in 1906 written by RamaSwamy ( or is it Ramalinga Swamy?) on Indian Banking. It gives a very good description of the manipulative activities of Britshits including Indian Railways.
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Labour in the UK is THE sharia party


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Pupils suspended after Quran 'desecrated' in front of other children

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... d-20809638

Britain is now a sharia state !!
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IndraD wrote:Image
some more pics from g7

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blast from past
The pic where Trumph is siting "mein tou na manu"mode is epic. It resembles the painting of American Independence. John Boltons's expression is priceless. Abe is like " samzaho ese". :rotfl: :rotfl:
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remnants of our colonial past



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Labour accused of 'dog-whistle racism' by one of its OWN MPs over 'anti-Hindu' leaflet amid deepening dirty tricks row in Batley & Spen by-election campaign - as furious row breaks out between George Galloway supporters and local councillors

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... aflet.html
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Batley Mohamed cartoon row: Teacher "was hounded into hiding"

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Labour’s Kashmir flip-flop could prove costly

By denigrating India to win Muslim votes, Keir Starmer raises awkward questions about what he stands for

Stephen Bush

Monday July 05 2021, 1.01am, The Times

Labour’s narrow win in Batley and Spen means Sir Keir Starmer will be given time. And all it took was an effective and popular local candidate, a well-organised ground game and the party’s fourth Kashmir policy in three years.

The first of those policies was adopted by Jeremy Corbyn in the autumn of 2019 when the Labour Party conference voted to condemn India’s revocation of Kashmir’s special status. Delegates deplored the treatment of the region’s people and called for international observers to be allowed in. By November, with the policy and the party being vilified by British Indians on WhatsApp and having managed to unite both India’s opposition Congress Party and the ruling BJP in condemnation, Ian Lavery, then Labour chairman, “clarified” (politician-speak for “abandoned”) the position. He said the matter was a bilateral one for India and Pakistan, and that in office the Labour Party would be neither pro-India nor pro-Pakistan.

The clarification was a disastrous failure. It convinced no one of Labour’s bona fides and the Conservative Party made further inroads into the ranks of British Indians. One of Starmer’s first acts as Labour leader was to sit down with the Labour Friends of India (both main parties have any number of internal “friends of” groups, whose lobbying ranges from advancing the interests of nation states to championing the needs of freelance jazz musicians). After the meeting, Starmer released a statement that put further distance between his party and its initial finger-wagging at Delhi: Kashmir’s future was a bilateral matter, he said, adding some warm words about the role of India’s parliament for good measure.

British Indians are the largest of the UK’s ethnic minority groups. Not so long ago they leaned Labour, but since David Cameron’s transformation of the Conservative Party they have become a swing slice of the electorate. (A measure of the change that Cameron-era Conservatives brought about in the perceptions of minority voters of the two parties comes in a recent poll by the consultancy Number Cruncher Politics. It found that among British Indians, Cameron was perceived to have done the best job of all the recent prime ministers in tackling racial tensions in the UK.)

But British Indians aren’t the only game in town. Facing a must-win by-election in Batley and Spen, where many of the seat’s substantial Muslim population were deserting to George Galloway’s latest political vehicle, the Workers Party of Britain, Labour unveiled policy number four. A leaflet issued in the constituency showed a picture of Boris Johnson shaking hands with the Indian prime minister, Narendra Modi. Alongside was a warning that a vote for anyone but Labour risked electing an MP who is “not on your side”, “who would be silent on human rights abuses in Kashmir”. Not, it turns out, such a “bilateral matter” after all.

The party leadership’s defenders point out, not unreasonably, that Conservative MPs up and down the country trim their sails on foreign policy to suit the needs of their local electorates. This is true, but there are two important differences. First, it is hard to face both ways in the middle of a by-election under national scrutiny. Second, and the more important, the Conservative Party’s national position has remained constant.

This may look like a simple story of a party doing everything it could to win a crucial by-election. For what it’s worth, Starmer’s leadership would have survived a defeat, although his authority would have been further undermined, making it essentially impossible for him to reboot his fragile authority. But the Kashmir flip-flop in fact explains why his leadership was in such a perilous position to begin with.

The first half of Starmer’s 2021 was electorally difficult largely because of forces beyond his control: Britain’s hugely successful vaccine rollout led to economic confidence soaring and the incumbent governments in England, Scotland and Wales all being rewarded. Equally, the second half of 2021 should be easier for Starmer, also largely due to forces outside his control: the contours of a very tight spending round will begin to become real; the end of the furlough scheme will expose the extent of the economic damage caused by lockdown, and, inevitably, the feelgood factor around the end of lockdown will fade away.

What caused panic in the parliamentary Labour Party wasn’t any of the difficult elections. It was those months of near silence from the leader’s office, which made MPs jittery. This was followed by a frontbench reshuffle that MPs had been given no reason to expect and whose political rationale they did not fully understand. No one around Starmer had tried to explain his reasoning. Indeed, it remains unclear.

Labour’s changing position on Kashmir has a similar problem. It was not because Corbyn’s team had reached a radically different geopolitical analysis between September and November 2019. Nor has Starmer’s understanding of India’s internal politics, or its relations with its near neighbours, shifted over the past year. That is not what has driven Labour from a party pledging to treat Kashmir as a “bilateral issue” to one ready to suggest that even meeting Modi is beyond the pale. Starmer initially opted to change the tone of Labour policy for a quiet life then; and the party changed it again for a quiet life now. In one sense, Labour’s thinking on Kashmir hasn’t changed under Corbyn or Starmer: Labour’s real Kashmir policy is that it wishes British Indians and British Pakistanis (who are the United Kingdom’s second-largest ethnic minority group) would simply shut up and go back to voting for Labour en bloc like they did until 2010.

But that world is gone and it isn’t coming back. What Labour instead needs to do is work out what it wants to stand for — is it a party with a pragmatic foreign policy, or an approach primarily based around human rights and the defence of democratic norms — and try to win support from there. Having some clearly defined political aims and objectives would help. But Starmer lacks a clear political project, so the only measure of his leadership is his electoral record, which up until now hadn’t looked so great.

Changing approach on Kashmir probably did make a difference in Batley and Spen. But now he needs to acquire a political clarity he has previously lacked. Otherwise, even a fifth Kashmir policy may well not be enough to save him.

Stephen Bush is political editor of the New Statesman

Hi,

Maybe I am a little bit naive or not very intelligent but ... I thought that when electing an MP in the UK, people were voting for issues that directly affected them e.g. the economy, taxes, roads and railways, education & health etc etc..

I live in Hong Kong and if there was an election today and I went up to one of the candidates and said that my main concern was how it now appears that poor young white males in the UK are being discriminated against, he or she would look at me with a rather puzzled expression!

Stephen Thomas

So true.

sacy

Unimaginative more than naive. The relationship with China and the the PRC’s attempts to erode HK’s special status would be a highly important ‘foreign’ policy issue for constituents. The fact that it won’t make any difference what they think will also be an issue of concern. What matters to constituents, as well as specific policy matters, is whether a party’s general values, it’s mood music, chimes with them and therefore reflects their values. Read Frank Luntz’s article in today’s TOL about culture wars to help you understand these matters.
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Stellan Brandt

It’s interesting to note that the main issue in this local by-election was the question of Kashmir, thousand of miles from Britain. Makes you wonder whether multiculturalism is such a good thing after all.

Rodney James

Don’t think many Hindi’s voted in the Kashmir issue.
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Oldbolter

I would suggest that far from being a major issue the Kashmir issue had negligable effect - this election was fought primarily on local issues. However, it clearly gave the impetus for a rather insipid ToL article.

Dennis Rodman

The Labour Party ran a by-election campaign based on Kàshmir and Palestine.

Not jobs or the economy or the health service or the state of the roads or how we defend ourselves against China and Russia.

They really need to change their name: The Middle-Class Student and Islamist Party would be much more accurate. They really don't represent or care about anyone else.
Rodney James

How about Leninist.?

David Burch

The Islamic Party of Great Britain will eventually emerge from the Labour Party in much the same way as Labour emerged from the Liberal Party a century ago.

Next step is to form the Islamic Representation Committee (IRC) within Labour - if this is not already in place.

Mountain

It would be fine for Labour to stand up for *human rights*, and therefore take a derivative interest in the human rights of Muslims in Kashmir. However, all they are doing in this case is appealing to religious sectarianism. The reason we know this is that if they were electioneering on human rights in South Asia, they would also be opposing the de facto apartheid conditions to which the non-Muslim minorities are subjected in Pakistan E.g., the threat of execution for blasphemy; mob persecution and violence; and the kidnapping of Sikh, Hindu, and Christian girls, invariably leading to their rape, forced conversion and marriage to Muslim men, while the police stand idly by (a phenomenon not far from that with which we are increasingly familiar with in the UK, and for which the Labour Party bears a great deal of responsibility).

Lest we forget the gross sex offending in Pakistan came here with the incoming immigrants and has been replicated rather too often and on a huge scale over the last 50 years. All part of the multicultural failure. Many of these towns are a mono-culture.

PETER MACLEOD

Labour has no answer to the graffito "The Kor''an is right - about women"

Piping hot pie

Well said, parts of London turning into mini - this and that. I would t be surprised some may be supporting Taliban while living in London.

KGersen

Many British Indians have given up on Labour. Why vote for a party that holds them in contempt as the "wrong" type of minority, not willing to embrace the eternal victimhood that Labour peddles as the patronising solution for UK minorities on all matters.

Labour's vote-bank communalist nonsense re Kashmir to suck up to some British Muslims, primarily of Pakistani heritage, just reinforces the schism that the left wrought over the years and this trend will continue where Labour loses the most British Indian votes permanently.
Worth noting that The Observer editorial on this by-election which was full of praise for the Labour candidate who won did not even bother to bring up this behaviour by Labour or the fact that the candidate, now an elected MP, chose to defend it. Says it all really, the broadsheet of choice of the Labour Party.

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KGersen

The shift is more of an economic one.

As British Indians have moved up to the middle classes and beyond, they now largely vote Tory to hold on to their wealth.

It's far more of a deciding voting factor than worrying about the victimhood narrative.

Worth noting that you're freely able to quote the Observer as they allow their journalism to be openly read. Have you tried finding out if The Telegraph broadsheet had anything to add on the George Galloway divisive campaign that allowed abuse to the Labour campaigners? For that matter, have you?

Avigmont

It will take the Labour party years, if at all, to regain the trust of the UK Indians. Batley & Spen election has once again confirmed

the party is heavily influenced by the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and this could be disastrous in the next election because the British people will be distrustful of the party. Days of Nehru and the Fabian Society working together with the labour movement are long gone. In British elections issues relating to Britain should be debated not issues of countries which are thousands of miles away.

Mr N D

The Indians lost their main champion in Labour when Keith Vaz decided to spend more time with his fridges.
Marco de la puebla

The horse has bolted on most of that. The critical mass of the Muslim vote would tell you that.

Oblivion

A certain community always hysterical over indian Kashmir and Israeli self defence……….amazingly quiet when it comes to the 600K murdered in Syria in the last decade, the millions displaced there, the hundreds of thousands killed in Yemen and millions at risk of famine, the thousands of Kurds bombed by Turkey or the blockade of Gaza by the Egyptians.

The ROP seems pretty selective around it’s days of rage and when it chooses to mobilise thousands into london to scream and riot.

Mr Nilesh Palan

Not to mention the genocide of the uighur muslims by China. Not squeak or murmur from the Pakistani community.

Hawthorn

The article under rates the importance of the Pakistani bloc vote to Labour and the influence wielders of that vote have over the party.

For instance according to local journalist Neil Wilby the leader of Kirklees council Pandor had a central influence in the selection of Kim Leadbeater. Pandor's brother is the Deobandi imam who led the protests about the teacher, in hiding because of death threats. Consequently all Leadbeater had to say about the teacher was that it was "up to him" whether he goes back to school or not. This is a pathetic cop out but entirely to be expected

Nor obviously was there any mention of the foul group C S E which afflicts west Yorkshire particularly badly. There have been more than 10 group trials since 2014, most major, more pending, only last week another delightful trio were convicted. Groups of 32 and 29 have been charged within the last 7 months.

You would think this is all very divisive, but Labour who say they deplore the politics of division and offer hope not hope say nothing of it, extraordinary hypocrisy
Hawthorn

Not to mention world class cynicism.

He referred to one specific region of Pakistan. How much more specific can you get?

He is completely correct. The problem community in this country isn't "immigrants" or "Muslims" or even "Pakistanis", it is that the UK invited in a large number of people from a rural backwater region with cultural values and education levels that it would be insulting to people from the middle ages to call mediaeval.

For no real benefit.

Taxis anyone ?

Dockyarder

This is the problem with identity politics. By Labour expressly making itself the party of certain groups, it alienates others. This is essentially sectarianism and it is a dead end for Labour. It needs to be a party that appeals broadly in terms of its domestic policy agenda.

Rodney James

Dockyarder

That is why multiculturalism is morally wrong. It divides societies not unite them

It creates divisions where non existed.

Dockyarder

Yup - build up from broad principles and defensible ideas and listen too/attempt to persuade those who are skeptics (or worse). Once you get into deciding who comes top of a hierarchy of groups with victim status you find yourself making appalling compromises which satisfy nobody. Nothing is enough for the 'victims' and the unaligned bystanders see that you stand for nothing.
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https://news.yahoo.com/factbox-england- ... 26339.html
Factbox-England ends lockdown: No facemasks, no distancing, no WFH order
Mon, July 5, 2021

LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson set out plans on Monday for the final step in easing England's COVID-19 lockdown, including the removal of laws governing social distancing and face coverings, and an end to official advice to work from home.
Johnson said he expected the lifting of restrictions to go ahead on July 19. He said a final decision would be announced on July 12. Some elements, including education and travel policy, will be announced later this week.
Here's the plan:
FACEMASKS - Regulations mandating facemasks will be lifted. The government will continue to recommend certain circumstances where they may be worn, but this will be a personal choice.
Transport providers can still choose to insist on masks, if they decide to.
SOCIAL DISTANCING - There will be no limits on how many people can meet socially, or where they can meet. This applies to weddings, funerals and other life events. It also includes care homes, although enhanced infection control measures will apply.
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Manish_P wrote:The Briturds are often fond of pointing to German Nazi past. Any bets on the Ukstanis ever compensating Bharat for the many genocides they did during their enslavement?

Germany will pay Namibia $1.3bn as it formally recognizes colonial-era genocide


Germany will support Namibia and the descendants of the victims with €1.1 billion for reconstruction and development and ask for forgiveness for the "crimes of German colonial rule," German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said in a statement on Friday.
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Don't think the UK can ever repay that debt!!
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I am pretty sure they won't, since they even refuse to acknowledge it in the first place.

Sometimes I hope that woke-ism takes hold of Bartannia but then the wokes are always into selective outrages. They will focus only on hindu patriarchy and Hindu Castism and the like, lest they become wajib-ul-cutlets for the rabid Islamists in Al-Bartanistan.
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Manish_P wrote:I am pretty sure they won't, since they even refuse to acknowledge it in the first place.

Sometimes I hope that woke-ism takes hold of Bartannia but then the wokes are always into selective outrages. They will focus only on hindu patriarchy and Hindu Castism and the like, lest they become wajib-ul-cutlets for the rabid Islamists in Al-Bartanistan.
If the UK can take 7 million Pakis 5 million BĎ ' a and 8 million Indian seculars( not specific to religion including the Indian left) . Making 25% of their population they will get a true sense as to what they have done to us, their cities will crumble in no time. Right they 2.5 million Pakis, BD and few hundred thousand seculars, thus it is very manageable for them.
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Sir,

Small nit-pick, total population of Indians, Bangladeshis and pukis in the UK is less than 5.5% i.e. 3 million in all at the last census.
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kit wrote:Don't think the UK can ever repay that debt!!
Or, afford it. Forget this route.

My earnest suggestion is to get the UN to accept the genocide of 3 to 7 million Indians in the '40s and Churchill's culpability. Churchill's actions were no different than Hitler's or Stalin's or Mao's. There's enough evidence to prove Churchill's role.

It is time the rest of the world stops portraying Churchill as a "hero and savior" of the "free world". He was racist to the core.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/asia/chu ... index.html
https://winstonchurchill.org/resources/ ... li-famine/
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/ ... ms-british

Churchill’s policies to blame for millions of Indian famine deaths, study says
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Lisa wrote:Sir,

Small nit-pick, total population of Indians, Bangladeshis and pukis in the UK is less than 5.5% i.e. 3 million in all at the last census.
Genuine Noob question, in the census would a 3rd generation Puki be counted as a Puki or as a brit? Or in true woke fashion it is left to the respondents to specify what they identify as..
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Fracture is my ethnicity not origin, ie,

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.ser ... les/latest
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Let's assume UK agree to repay . They will set a commission which will give recommendations like #since the level of corruption in very high in India, it is wise to distribut compensation money among families of victims. It will be distributed within next 50 years.
# GOI is no role in it
#compensation ma be give in the form of special visa to UK.
# UK is sole decision making entity.
This based upon historic diplomatic wars won by UK and others.
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There are other loans coming up for repayments as well, this time by mango Brits!
Empathy bootcamp? UK banks seek payback on $105 bln COVID loans
As payback time approaches for more than 75 billion pounds ($104 billion) of emergency state-backed loans, Britain's banks must tread a delicate path with businesses propped up during the pandemic.

Faced with trying to limit losses for themselves and taxpayers but also avoid a repeat of the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis, when banks were vilified and forced to pay millions of pounds in redress for heavy handed debt repayment tactics, lenders are pledging that this time will be different.

With the first COVID loan repayments now falling due, Britain's four biggest banks have hired more than 750 debt collection experts between them and training is being given on how to handle customers sensitively.

"We did bootcamp training to make sure they're all ready to go," said Hannah Bernard, head of business banking at Barclays.
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https://www.rediff.com/business/report/ ... 210712.htm
254 Indian millionaires used 'golden visa' route to UK in 12 years: Report
By Aditi Khanna, July 12, 2021

A total of 254 millionaires from India have used the so-called “golden visa” to settle down in the UK through a large investment into the country since the route opened in 2008, according to a new report released by a UK-based anti-corruption charity on Monday.
Spotlight on Corruption said that Indians ranked as the seventh nationality of super-rich to have availed of the Tier 1 (Investor) Visa, adding up to 254 between 2008 and 2020. China topped the list at 4,106, followed by Russia (2,526), Hong Kong (692), the United States (685), Pakistan (283) and Kazakhstan (278) ahead of India. Saudi Arabia at 223, Turkey at 221 and Egypt at 206 complete the list of top 10 countries to have been issued the visa allowing applicants residency rights in the UK, with around half the total now under review.
“Golden visas allow wealthy individuals to buy the right to live in the UK if they invest in UK-registered companies. "Individuals that invest 2 million pounds get an immediate right to live in the UK for three years, followed by a two-year extension,” notes the report titled ‘Red Carpet for Dirty Money'.
“Those that invest 10 million pounds can be fast-tracked to get indefinite leave to remain within two years, or within three years if they invest 5 million pounds. From indefinite leave to remain visa holders are on a steady path, after one year, to much prized UK citizenship,” it adds.
Diamond merchant Nirav Modi, wanted in India on charges of fraud and money laundering in relation to the Punjab National Bank (PNB) scam and now fighting against being extradited to India in the high court in London, is believed to have been living in the UK on an Investor Visa applied for in 2015.
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Another area where Pakistan(283) beats India (254).
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2-10 Million Pounds to get residency in Britain? Who would in his right mind do that when the same can be had for as little as half million to one million dollars in the US.

It is one thing for Nirav Modi and Mallya to take that route to avail of UK laws to avoid being shipped back to India but i am sure majority of the other Indians have migrated on business/economic considerations. What is the attraction in UK when compared to Uncle Sam's land.
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Vips wrote:2-10 Million Pounds to get residency in Britain? Who would in his right mind do that when the same can be had for as little as half million to one million dollars in the US.

It is one thing for Nirav Modi and Mallya to take that route to avail of UK laws to avoid being shipped back to India but i am sure majority of the other Indians have migrated on business/economic considerations. What is the attraction in UK when compared to Uncle Sam's land.
mallaya's family is already settled in the US and has been for a long time now
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Vips wrote:2-10 Million Pounds to get residency in Britain? Who would in his right mind do that when the same can be had for as little as half million to one million dollars in the US.
US imposes tax on global income and tax rates (already higher than the UK) are generally headed higher. US tends to be a destination for the poor and well off, not the wealthy. Also, if just a passport of convenience is desired without the backing of the UK legal system, there are far cheaper options out there than either the UK or the USA.
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UK has long been the preferred destination of dictators, despots, corrupt politicians from developing countries, paki generals , successful arms dealers, shady billionaires , arab oil sheikhs and russian oligarchs. Its been the cesspool for all the ill-gotten wealth from around the world for centuries and continues to be an attractive destination to stash wealth and safely enjoy the spoils of one's sins in their silver years. Hence you won't find the Nawaz Sharrifs , Zardaris, Prince Bandars and billionaire Boris' of this world queue for any other country in this world except UK.

India's wealthy and super wealthy have always been very comfortable living and parking most of their wealth in India because they know there is little fear of expropriation of their wealth by the government. However in the last 10 yrs or so there has undoubtedly been an increase in the number of wealthy Indians seeking foreign visas and passports. The US investor PR class EB5 category has historically been dominated by the Chinese, Korean, Taiwanese and citizens of few latin american countries but in the last few years Indians have overtaken everyone including the chinese in applications. I don't know what has brought this change , perhaps its because children of many of our wealthy are settled abroad and refuse to go back home so the wealthy parents to cut down on logistical hassles just buy residencies in US/Canada/Europe.
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England Soccer Players Face Racist Abuse After Italy Defeat
LONDON—England woke from its European Championship hangover on Monday to confront a barrage of racist abuse that had been directed at the three national team players who missed penalty kicks in Sunday night’s defeat against Italy.

What started as an opportunity for a moment of national unity here turned ugly as the trio of Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, and Bukayo Saka, who are Black, were immediately targeted after England’s loss to Italy by thousands of racist social media posts. A mural of Rashford in his native Manchester was also defaced.
“I know a lot of that has come from abroad, that people who track those things have been able to explain that, but not all of it,” Southgate said. :roll:
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Any way French and German media are passing clips which are ignored by PPc and Sky news.
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It's high time that we made our case for reparations too............

even though our case is different, we are still owed trillions by the britshits for theft of resources and genocide by racially induced famines


Jamaican Government Wants Billions In Reparations From UK Over Slavery
The UK formerly abolished slavery in 1834, after which former slave owners were paid 20 million pounds - a large sum at the time. Jamaica's petition is based on a private motion from Jamaican lawmaker Mike Henry, who says the country is owed some 7.6 billion pounds (US$10.5 billion), which he calculated to be roughly equivalent to the payout UK slave owners received nearly 200 years ago.

"We are hoping for reparatory justice in all forms that one would expect if they are to really ensure that we get justice from injustices to repair the damages that our ancestors experienced," said Culture minister Olivia Grange, adding "Our African ancestors were forcibly removed from their home and suffered unparalleled atrocities in Africa to carry out forced labour to the benefit of the British Empire."

"Redress is well overdue," she added.
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Ashokk wrote:England Soccer Players Face Racist Abuse After Italy Defeat
LONDON—England woke from its European Championship hangover on Monday to confront a barrage of racist abuse that had been directed at the three national team players who missed penalty kicks in Sunday night’s defeat against Italy.

What started as an opportunity for a moment of national unity here turned ugly as the trio of Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, and Bukayo Saka, who are Black, were immediately targeted after England’s loss to Italy by thousands of racist social media posts. A mural of Rashford in his native Manchester was also defaced.
This is britshitland for you.

they should be proud of it

the sun has forever forsaken these racist tu#d$

the tweet may have been deleted but the sentiment still remains strong


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chetak wrote:It's high time that we made our case for reparations too............
even though our case is different, we are still owed trillions by the britshits for theft of resources and genocide by racially induced famines
Jamaican Government Wants Billions In Reparations From UK Over Slavery
The UK formerly abolished slavery in 1834, after which former slave owners were paid 20 million pounds - a large sum at the time. Jamaica's petition is based on a private motion from Jamaican lawmaker Mike Henry, who says the country is owed some 7.6 billion pounds (US$10.5 billion), which he calculated to be roughly equivalent to the payout UK slave owners received nearly 200 years ago.
"Redress is well overdue," she added.
Maybe GOI can make Tharoor minister in charge of repatriations, that should shut him up as well and focus his conniptions at the angrezi log :((
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Repatriations aside is there a comprehensive catalogue of all the loot the Brits stole from India ? .. our elucidate scholar gave a round about figure but i have a feeling the true figure is a magnitude higher
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kit wrote:Repatriations aside is there a comprehensive catalogue of all the loot the Brits stole from India ? .. our elucidate scholar gave a round about figure but i have a feeling the true figure is a magnitude higher
there is a JNU commie professor utsa patnaik who seems to have worked out a figure of $45 trillion.

That could be the start

the britshits have not even acknowledged their debts to India, not even the money that they grabbed during the WWs I&II to fund themselves at our cost
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Personally I think India should start to officially catalogue the wealth that was looted during the brit rule. All of it. Its for our future generations to know and understand what had happened, and in reality.
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I would suggest "India Today" (1940) by Rajni Palme Dutt, that is now available free online, on how India was looted during the British rule.
https://archive.org/details/indiatodayd ... 6/mode/2up
Now Mr. Dutt was a Stalinist and you may not agree to conclusions that he draws. However, his statistics are impeccable. The British never allowed the book into India.
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