Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

S_Madhukar · Post by **S_Madhukar** » 09 Jul 2022 00:21

Rishi throws his hat in the ring
https://youtu.be/xaUkwy1mm5o

bala · Post by **bala** » 09 Jul 2022 07:31

Yep, same news in media..

Rishi Sunak launches bid to succeed Boris Johnson as UK PM

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ne ... 617499.ece

The 42-year-old MP and son-in-law of Infosys co-founder Narayana Murthy has long been seen as an heir apparent to Johnson at 10 Downing Street and is believed to have garnered the support of a significant chunk of the Conservative Party to launch his candidacy.

“We need to make sure that's not the end of the British Indian story. There's lots more we can achieve. There's lots more we can do. And I'm really excited about the future,” he told reporters last week, when asked if he could go on to be the first Indian-origin Prime Minister of the UK.

// would be a first; an Indian ruling over the former Raj ruler.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 09 Jul 2022 08:18

Britain is a pragmatic nation. They have come a long way. Can’t help but admire them for many things.

It’s much too early to to anoint Sunac but even if he is elected, he will be a British prime minister, not an Indian one.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 09 Jul 2022 08:20

Saunac, is not going to be the PM because of his wife is an Infosys family member.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 09 Jul 2022 10:31

The only non-Christian PM of UK that comes to my mind is Benjamin Disraeli, back in the time of Queen Victoria. But on closer examination I find that he was baptized at age 12, hence he was not a Jew, but a converted Christian. So, if Rishi Sunak is elected PM, he would be the first non-Christian for the position. My knowledge of British history is sketchy, so perhaps someone can enlighten me if this is the case. Whether he succeeds or not, this is a little progress for the Asian diaspora.
Gautam

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 09 Jul 2022 12:40

From the choir at Balliol College, Oxford (Boris’ alma mater). From 2019, but summarises his political career (rise and fall) well.

S_Madhukar · Post by **S_Madhukar** » 09 Jul 2022 12:43

Well if they don’t like Rishi they can always have Sajid. Sajid and Sadiq of London would be an interesting Jodi ruling Bratannia !

Nick Clegg former deputy PM’s wife was Spanish and she did not have a UK passport and could not vote in local elections. Oiro wife ok an even richer Indian no? BoJo surely ticked off Sunak when her non- dom status was leaked.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 09 Jul 2022 12:53

Campaign launch. Very slick. Bookie’s favourite.

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1 ... wQOt26zppw

kit · Post by **kit** » 09 Jul 2022 14:38

bala wrote:Yep, same news in media..

Rishi Sunak launches bid to succeed Boris Johnson as UK PM

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ne ... 617499.ece

The 42-year-old MP and son-in-law of Infosys co-founder Narayana Murthy has long been seen as an heir apparent to Johnson at 10 Downing Street and is believed to have garnered the support of a significant chunk of the Conservative Party to launch his candidacy.

“We need to make sure that's not the end of the British Indian story. There's lots more we can achieve. There's lots more we can do. And I'm really excited about the future,” he told reporters last week, when asked if he could go on to be the first Indian-origin Prime Minister of the UK.
// would be a first; an Indian ruling over the former Raj ruler.

The world is in regression mode., easy to predict this outcome. But the bid itself is significant and historic as no parallels in the past.

Aldonkar · Post by **Aldonkar** » 09 Jul 2022 17:15

g.sarkar wrote:The only non-Christian PM of UK that comes to my mind is Benjamin Disraeli, back in the time of Queen Victoria. But on closer examination I find that he was baptized at age 12, hence he was not a Jew, but a converted Christian. So, if Rishi Sunak is elected PM, he would be the first non-Christian for the position. My knowledge of British history is sketchy, so perhaps someone can enlighten me if this is the case. Whether he succeeds or not, this is a little progress for the Asian diaspora.
Gautam

You are right about Benjamin Disraeli, his family had him baptised in the CoE to open the doors for him. Significantly, he did not change his name which gives away his ancestry.

These days most English people are only nominally Christian. The Churches are empty on Sundays. Many of the social functions of the Church have been replaced by the Welfare State. The same holds for most of the PMs since the war have not been practicing Christians with the exception of Teresa May (daughter of a vicar) and Gordon Brown (Church of Scotland, son of a Presbyterian minister). There have been no Catholic PMs either despite Catholics being some 10-15% of the population nominally. Tony Blair was baptised Catholic a couple of years after resigning. His wife is a cradle Catholic.

Until recently, there have not been many non Christians in the UK population (with the exception of Jews) and thus this generation and onwards there will be more non Christian candidates. Already we have Sunak (Hindu), Javed (nominally Muslim, his wife and children are CoE) and Braverman (born Catholic, now Buddhist, Indian origin). I am not sure if Tugenhardt is Jewish.

Aldonkar · Post by **Aldonkar** » 09 Jul 2022 17:30

S_Madhukar wrote:Well if they don’t like Rishi they can always have Sajid. Sajid and Sadiq of London would be an interesting Jodi ruling Bratannia !

Nick Clegg former deputy PM’s wife was Spanish and she did not have a UK passport and could not vote in local elections. Oiro wife ok an even richer Indian no? BoJo surely ticked off Sunak when her non- dom status was leaked.

UK politics is a minefield. I posted on BRF previously that tpress speculation is that Boris was the source of the leak about the non-dom status of Ms Murthy (as she is known here). The info should have been confidential and only known to HMRC (the tax office)

kit · Post by **kit** » 09 Jul 2022 17:35

Aldonkar wrote:
S_Madhukar wrote:Well if they don’t like Rishi they can always have Sajid. Sajid and Sadiq of London would be an interesting Jodi ruling Bratannia !

UK politics is a minefield. I posted on BRF previously that tpress speculation is that Boris was the source of the leak about the non-dom status of Ms Murthy (as she is known here). The info should have been confidential and only known to HMRC (the tax office)

they were neighbours

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 09 Jul 2022 17:45

RS is going find it tough as recent 'Tea n Biscuit' serving by misses has kicked up a storm.
Mrs RS came out to serve the waiting press folks with tea n Bikky.
The mugs are Designer mugs costing £38/each.
Labour supporters are roasting her, given until recently RS was Chancellor of Exchequer and people are suffering from raised cost of living (gas on an average £2/litre)

S_Madhukar · Post by **S_Madhukar** » 09 Jul 2022 23:20

Labour are all champagne socialists (when you pay otherwise it’s humble beer only) … they must be like how is this wealthy brownie on that side and not ours! It will depend on the rural Tory vote bank who will be aghast at the choices. They might prefer someone like Grant Shapps another tool but one who knows to keep his mouth shut

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 10 Jul 2022 01:37

Aldonkar wrote: Braverman (born Catholic, now Buddhist, Indian origin).

Ms. "Suella" Braverman has a very impressive academic record. On top of that, she is only 42. Wow.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 10 Jul 2022 03:00

Eagle-eyed observers spotted that the heiress, whose father is a billionaire, provided drinks in suitably high-class containers. The designer Emma Lacey mugs are said to retail at £38 each. https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2022- ... in-38-mugs.

One who is rich is a culprit ideology ^

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 10 Jul 2022 03:58

[ur]https://twitter.com/jonjalex/status/154 ... WdC8TzLeYQ[/url]

They ain't not gonna learn. Most people feel only major/minor changes are required to the Burtish political system. Hain?!!!

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 10 Jul 2022 04:02

IndraD wrote: ... One who is rich is a culprit ideology ^

That also is the long and short Twitter thread posted by somebody in this very same thread. Hating the Tories/Lords/Reeves is fine. But going the Corbyn way is not the way out for the Brutes unless they want to take a leaf out of Karl Marx who sat at the LSE and planted the seeds of communism. That Millipede bros are not to be seen anywhere. What a bunch of jokers the brutishit politicians are.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 10 Jul 2022 13:35

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... -OWEN.html
Tories rip each other apart in race to PM job.
The race for No.10 is already mired in claims of affairs and money laundering... and guess which master of the dark arts is already dripping in the poison

it is already being called the 'dirtiest Tory leadership race in history', with wild stories about prostitutes, affairs and money laundering being traded on the 'dark web' of Westminster gossip... The bitterness surrounding Boris Johnson's astonishing ejection from office has seeped into the contest to succeed him, with candidates whispering conspiratorially about the source of the fortune of new Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi (pictured bottom left) and the already contentious wealth of his predecessor, Rishi Sunak (pictured bottom right). In characteristic fashion, former Downing Street adviser Dominic Cummings (pictured main) – who waged a long guerrilla campaign against Mr Johnson and is reputed to be hoping for a return to Government if Mr Sunak wins the contest – has published some of the wilder claims on Twitter, writing that it would be 'very Westminster' for 'Boris to get the bullet cos of lies over sex/groping... only to be replaced by someone actually sh***ing their spad!'

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 10 Jul 2022 13:37

The Home Secretary’s decision to allow Julian Assange’s extradition to the US is utterly wrong and marks a very dark day for press freedom and the justice system.

We will continue the fight to free Julian Assange.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status ... dTaqAoomIA

la.khan · Post by **la.khan** » 10 Jul 2022 14:19

Vayutuvan wrote:
Aldonkar wrote: Braverman (born Catholic, now Buddhist, Indian origin).
Ms. "Suella" Braverman has a very impressive academic record. On top of that, she is only 42. Wow.

Just looked her up in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suella_Braverman

Braverman has described herself as a "child of the British Empire". Her parents, who were from Mauritius and Kenya, came to the UK "with an admiration and gratitude for what Britain did for Mauritius and Kenya, and India". She believes that on the whole, "the British Empire was a force for good".

What more can we expect out of the Tories?

So, it is either this or Labour

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 10 Jul 2022 15:46

'A concoction of dangerous lies': Netflix slammed over £60m film that depicts the 1920s British Raj as being 'addicted to rape and murder'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 10 Jul 2022 16:35

Haresh wrote:'A concoction of dangerous lies': Netflix slammed over £60m film that depicts the 1920s British Raj as being 'addicted to rape and murder'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... urder.html link corrected sir

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 10 Jul 2022 21:48

Trust an uncle Tom and Gungadin to be the first apologist:

Dr Zareer Masani, an expert on British colonialism, said: ‘The entire plot is a travesty of history.

We should say the same things that they say to us: Tut tut, freedom of expression, fiction etc etc. How primitive of these savages to get their undies in a twist and get triggered over a fiction.

Aldonkar · Post by **Aldonkar** » 11 Jul 2022 18:26

la.khan wrote:
Vayutuvan wrote:
Ms. "Suella" Braverman has a very impressive academic record. On top of that, she is only 42. Wow.
Just looked her up in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suella_Braverman
Braverman has described herself as a "child of the British Empire". Her parents, who were from Mauritius and Kenya, came to the UK "with an admiration and gratitude for what Britain did for Mauritius and Kenya, and India". She believes that on the whole, "the British Empire was a force for good".
What more can we expect out of the Tories? So, it is either this or Labour

She is not expected to go very far. She will be lucky to get beyond the first round. Currently there are eleven candidates, with Sunak the bookies favourite. However Jeremy Hunt is a former Minister (of Health) from Cameron's government who has stayed out of Boris' government and may be a strong candidate. India should beware, his wife is Chinese , from mainland China.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jul 2022 02:06

So what sank Boris Johnson?
He piloted Brexit, was working on a new FTA for Commonwealth and tried an independent role for the UK.

Many current leaders had issues of personal nature.

S_Madhukar · Post by **S_Madhukar** » 12 Jul 2022 06:14

Similar to SS saga in Maha the current post Brexit inflation and slowing economy has led to anti incumbency fears in the Tory camp.

Then RS went ahead with some National insurance hikes etc. the inflation is now highest ever in decades so it weakens their claim of running a good economy. Additionally they spent 40B on trace and track program for Covid-19 basically enriching old cronies and then another xB was spent on Covid-19 loans to companies of which 19B are supposed to be pure fraud that again RS or HMRC indicated was not worth pursuing ; they are said to reverse that attitude now.

Boris has his scandals for a while, paying 300K from govt scheme as tech investment to Arcurri an American with whom she claims he had an affair, new wife Carrie spending a ton on Downing Street flat renovation and also said to be proper LeLi influenced policy like that Bibi of Dimran, and the latest one ignoring the misconducts of his Chief whip and then lying that he doesn’t remember as usual which was exposed by some civil servant . Also on Brexit people can now fill the pinch and the Ireland protocol is up in the air so…

So not too different from what can happen in the subcontinent apart from easy affairs of course but that lit a fire under the Tories who are all fancing their chances.
There might be other conspiracy theories but so far he has followed the deep state well flying to Kyiv often and gloating about it. But the lefties don’t like his lying, the conservatives don’t like his infidelity and they all know he is not the most competent just like them.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 12 Jul 2022 06:40

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... tical-noir
Tory leader contenders smearing each other is pure political noir
Culture war issues, lurid rumours of affairs, business dealings and questionable tax statuses are flying back and forth between candidates
Jessica Elgot, 11 Jul 2022
It has all the makings of a political noir: a secret meeting in a Westminster pub where one machiavellian operator spinning for a would-be prime minister hands a dossier of evidence to the opposition party in order to smear their rivals.
And like all the best Westminster rumours, it has a basis in truth. But the truth is perhaps even more unbelievable than the story. The reality is that multiple campaigns have been in touch with the Labour party to distribute rumours about their rivals.
Not everything is fully formed – just titbits sent on WhatsApp which sources suggest merit further investigation. But it is a mark of how bitter the race to become the next Tory leader – and the prime minister – has become so quickly.
The propaganda flying around includes lurid rumours of affairs, business dealings and questionable tax statuses. Not all would meet the public interest test. Those who have faced planted attacks so far include the chancellor, Nadhim Zahawi, but there are also expected to be coordinated efforts to undermine the campaigns of Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss.
On Monday, an ally of the home secretary, Priti Patel, was forced to admit he had shared a memo sent round Tory WhatsApp groups attacking Sunak’s record on the economy. Patrick Robertson denied being the author of the document when confronted by the Times but admitted he had shared it.
The memo gives a flavour of the bitterness likely to seep into the campaign against Sunak if he makes the final two. It accused Sunak of “a failed March 2022 budget that was a welter of contradictions, tax raises and sleights of hand that defied analysis, logic or comprehension”.
The memo also said Sunak had “publicly lied not once but twice when seeking to explain his wife’s ‘non-dom’ tax status”. And it highlights the ex-chancellor’s supposed opportunism, saying he had “launched his campaign for the leadership of the Conservative party with a website domain registered in December 2021”.
“Getting ‘Ready for Rishi’ means supporting a candidate who, like Boris, landed a Partygate fine from the police for breaking lockdown rules.”
......
Gautam

Aldonkar · Post by **Aldonkar** » 12 Jul 2022 16:07

ramana wrote:So what sank Boris Johnson?
He piloted Brexit, was working on a new FTA for Commonwealth and tried an independent role for the UK.

Many current leaders had issues of personal nature.

You have already received a partial reply from S_Madhukar, but I think some clarification is needed.

Boris has always courted controversy. He has always been known for his numerous affairs so I will not elaborate as that is not political. When a young journalist he was dragged into the case of Darius Guppy (see Wikipedia) where he supplied the address of a fellow journalist to the criminal. Definitely a stain on his character.

As mayor of London, as Madhukar has mentioned he gave a grant to Jennifer Acurri who he was having an affair with, and also took her on a trip as an adviser when she ha no expertise in the matter. He also authorised several developments that were questionable, including the redevelopment of Battersea Power Station (by a Chinese building company) for sale to mostly Chinese investors when telling the public that they were building affordable homes for Londoners. There was also a scheme to build a bridge across the Thames with a "forest" on it. He spent £30million on surveys and plans; it was cancelled by his successor Sajid Khan but still cost about £10 million to get out of. In the meantime, Hammersmith Bridge has been closed (requiring maintenance) for years causing problems for locals and traffic congestion.

As PM, he has got Brexit done but now we find that he glossed over many details such as the NI Protocols. His other success was the Covid vaccine program, mostly die to the diligence of a certain Alok Sharma, in the teeth of obstacles by a envious Macron and EU (von der Lying).

His political problems are many and include charges of undue influence by his current wife, Carrie. He attempted to pass a law that would be retroactive (a no-no in UK legal convention) to absolve his pal Owen Patterson (MP) who had been found guilty of lobbying. I can't remember the exact details but it can be googled. When the press exposed this he backed down. Patterson resigned as an MP and his seat was lost to the LibDems. Also read up the allegations of Dominic Cummings.

There was a scandal over the redecoration of his flat above No 10. His new wife wanted to try he hand as a interior decorator and initialled expected the taxpayer to pick up the bill; next a unknown Tory supporter was said to have funded it but eventually Boris claimed he paid himself.

Then Partygate; this caused immense anger with people who had to forgo seeing loved ones during Lockdown. Many lost parents who they could not visit in their last hours etc. I mysels had to cancle visits by my children and grandchildren at Christmas and my young grandchildren had forgotten me when we were able to meeet a yeay later.

This anger resulted in the loss of two Tory seats in recent bye elections one was a safe Tory seat, the other had been recently captured from Labour. Boris took credit for its capture but didn't care about its loss as the Tories had a big majority (about 80).

And lastly the Pincher case where Boris appointed Chris Pincher a Deputy Whip (supposedly a ministerial role) despite having been informed of his predilection for young men; Boris asked his colleagues to state he had not been told. Then one Senior Civil Servant stood up and expressly stated that he personally had informed Boris about Pincher. All those who had been asked to spread Boris' lies felt cheated. This is when Sajid Javid and Sunak resigned and the rest is history.

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 12 Jul 2022 16:26

not directly india related
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62083197

Panorama has revealed disturbing evidence of war crimes by the SAS in Afghanistan - and of subsequent attempts to cover them up. Hannah O'Grady describes how a series of alleged murders of civilians was finally brought to light.

Getting to the bottom of this story involved four years of painstaking detective work.

Crucial to this was a cache of internal emails from within the headquarters of UK Special Forces (UKSF) - the military directorate that oversees the SAS. These contained a handful of details about previously classified deadly raids that senior UKSF officers had considered suspicious back in 2011. At the time, British troops were still fighting the Taliban alongside allies in Afghanistan.

We were able to see these emails because they were included in court documents from a judicial review into a night raid previously investigated by Panorama in 2019, which brought to light evidence that the UK military had failed to properly investigate a series of suspected civilian murders in Afghanistan

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jul 2022 16:44

Aldonkar wrote:
ramana wrote:So what sank Boris Johnson?
He piloted Brexit, was working on a new FTA for Commonwealth and tried an independent role for the UK.

Many current leaders had issues of personal nature.
You have already received a partial reply from S_Madhukar, but I think some clarification is needed.

Boris has always courted controversy. He has always been known for his numerous affairs so I will not elaborate as that is not political.

There was also a scheme to build a bridge across the Thames with a "forest" on it. He spent £30million on surveys and plans; it was cancelled by his successor Sajid Khan but still cost about £10 million to get out of.

And lastly the Pincher case where Boris appointed Chris Pincher a Deputy Whip (supposedly a ministerial role) despite having been informed of his predilection for young men; Boris asked his colleagues to state he had not been told. Then one Senior Civil Servant stood up and expressly stated that he personally had informed Boris about Pincher.

from randy goats to gardeners to g@ndu$, these guys seem to have run the full spectrum of multi dimensional activities in the horizontal and vertical planes, leaving nothing to the imagination.

It's no wonder that the queen retired post haste from public life.

Even god can't save her now

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 13 Jul 2022 04:41

Haresh wrote:'A concoction of dangerous lies': Netflix slammed over £60m film that depicts the 1920s British Raj as being 'addicted to rape and murder'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments

Hahaha. Mogambo khush. Have some burnol.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 13 Jul 2022 06:53

Wow! I had studiously avoided watching RRR upto this point, because I was sure it'd be some long, plotless waste of spectacle that would make me regret the 3-odd hours spent.

But now I hear that it's pi$$ed off the Brishits, I'm definitely watching it!

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 13 Jul 2022 20:18

Charges dropped against two men accused of antisemitism in north London 'hate convoy'

https://www.thejc.com/news/news/charges ... NqJl4YJKLM

Sheffield asylum seeker Ahmiri Ahmedi Azizi convicted of spreading an Islamic State propaganda video in response Liverpool Women's Hospital bombing

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/sh ... ng-3762240

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Jul 2022 20:31

Thanks, Madhukar and Alodonkar for the summary of why BoJo sank.
He managed to get opponents everywhere

But the lefties don’t like his lying, the conservatives don’t like his infidelity and they all know he is not the most competent just like them.

Or as Shakespeare wrote, "His cup runneth over!"

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 13 Jul 2022 20:48

BRITISH LOOT OF INDIA. SHOULD INDIA NOT DEMAND REPARATIONS?

https://mariawirthblog.wordpress.com/20 ... parations/

bala · Post by **bala** » 13 Jul 2022 21:44

Haresh wrote:BRITISH LOOT OF INDIA. SHOULD INDIA NOT DEMAND REPARATIONS?

https://mariawirthblog.wordpress.com/20 ... parations/

Thanks Haresh for posting the above.

Maria Wirth's blog is spot on about the Brutshits atrocities. One area which needs to be reinforced is the famines of India were spread over time and the totals are around 80-90 million Indians dead from famines. Also food was used as a tool to ship Indians to other nations as laborers. Reparations just for the soldiers who died in WW1 and WW2 is sound basis for Britshits to pay.

She also covered Talpade's Vimana technology.
One sensitive topic is Nathan M Rothschild

Nathan Rothschild called the British king ‘a puppet’, and said, the man who controls the empire’s money supply, controls the British empire, and meant his family.

Disappointing to see Tharoor and Malhotra shying away from reparations. Indians must take up this subject and be vociferous in seeing Brutshits pay. Every Indian must read the blog account.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 13 Jul 2022 21:59

Looks like the Grooming Gang (Pakistanis) issue is coming back strongly in public domain.
Background: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjw-kj0MeJ0
The victims assaulted by Pakistani Muslims are hoping that the Government change may provide them justice?

kit · Post by **kit** » 13 Jul 2022 22:34

Haresh wrote:BRITISH LOOT OF INDIA. SHOULD INDIA NOT DEMAND REPARATIONS?

https://mariawirthblog.wordpress.com/20 ... parations/

much of that loot has gone to America.

kit · Post by **kit** » 13 Jul 2022 22:42

KLNMurthy wrote:
Haresh wrote:'A concoction of dangerous lies': Netflix slammed over £60m film that depicts the 1920s British Raj as being 'addicted to rape and murder'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments
Hahaha. Mogambo khush. Have some burnol.

can we all give a double thumbs up to this movie in Netflix ?

https://www.netflix.com/title/81476453