Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

[la.khan]

As per Google, Labour has the lead, as of now.

Party and leader Seats Share Count
Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn 10 43.5% 2,58,601
Conservative Party Boris Johnson 6 41.4% 2,85,582

Did Britain shoot itself in the foot/head/whatever?

[NRao]

Try here for latest election results from the BBC.

Meanwhile ......

Lavery: It's not Corbyn, it's Brexit

Chairman of the Labour Party Ian Lavery says he is finding tonight "desperately, desperately disappointing".

He says he was "surprised in some ways and unsurprised in others".

The "Labour heartlands" in the North are "very aggrieved" at his party's stance on Brexit.

Mr Lavery adds: "17.4 million people voted for Brexit and them being ignored is not a good recipe.

"Democracy prevailed. Ignore it and the consequences will come back and bite you on the backside."

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[sudarshan]

As per Google, Labour has the lead, as of now.

Party and leader Seats Share Count
Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn 10 43.5% 2,58,601
Conservative Party Boris Johnson 6 41.4% 2,85,582

Did Britain shoot itself in the foot/head/whatever?

Don't look at just the raw number of seats. Look at loss/ gain figures from last time. If you look at it that way, Tories have been leading for a while, and the lead is widening (though not yet showing up in raw seat count).

They need a gain of +20 from last time, right now they have +9. Labour is -6.

[vijayk]

Latest as Conservatives gain in Labour heartlands

[Yagnasri]

Labour -8 so far

[UlanBatori]

Good news! Scottistan votes totaly against BoJoism

While UK PM Boris Johnson looks set for a major win, the other big story of the UK election is the “overwhelming triumph” of the pro-independence SNP, said former Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond.
The host of The Alex Salmond Show on RT said that the exit poll results were a “two-edged sword” for Scotland, because the SNP drove what he called a “wipe out year” for Johnson’s party despite the Tories’ overall Westminster win.
You’ve got the irresistible force of Scottish independence meeting the immovable object of Boris Johnson and his parliamentary majority.
The fact that Johnson has been so adamant that he would say ‘no’ to permitting a second independence referendum may have contributed to the Tories inability to gain ground there, Salmond said.
Johnson’s “get Brexit done” mantra might’ve resonated with voters, but that it is ultimately a “meaningless” slogan, Salmond said, adding that he expects Britons can look forward to long and arduous trade negotiations with the EU.

[mmasand]

Lisa Nandy(PIO) being tipped as potential candidate to topple JC as Labour leader, although he may not step down before spring. Farage has cost the Tories a couple of seats like Hartlepool by directly splitting the Leave vote.

PS, Leicester East, a seat with a relatively large Indian origin (Uganda deportees) population did not dump Labour but a the Tories ate into Labour's vote share by 14%.

[NRao]

Conservatives make gains in Labour heartlands

The Conservatives are doing best in areas in Wales and northern England that voted Leave in the 2016 EU referendum.

BBC Forecast: Con 357 seats, Lab 201, Lib Dems 13, SNP 55, Plaid 4, Green 1, Brexit 0, Others 19

[Karthik S]

Desis in UK, have you guys voted against corbyn. Or are desi votes still split.

[vijayk]

[Cain Marko]

What success? The dude is losing...

[mmasand]

Desis in UK, have you guys voted against corbyn. Or are desi votes still split.

Split for most constituencies, significant swing in these seats towards the Tories, but voting percentages were higher thus Labour clinging on with smaller majorities in comparison to GE2017. Only silver lining being JC resigning at a later stage, hopefully ending Corbynista style radical left wing policies (unlikely) and returning to centre-left.

[vijayk]

What success? The dude is losing...

Wapo and irony

[NRao]

What success? The dude is losing...

That is a headline from June 9, 2017.

[vijayk]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... edia-uk-us
Britain needs its own Mueller report on Russian ‘interference’
Conservative-leaning media in the UK and US see little mileage in exposing meddling that helped their own side

The Dumb**** of scum left have not learnt any lessons in their pathetic lives.

[Sumeet]

Yeah its great especially that Labor was acting foolishly against our interest on behalf of some Islamists

[vijayk]

Just trolling Wapo guys!

[NRao]

Election results 2019: Tories take Labour seats as they head for majority

The Conservatives have taken a string of former Labour strongholds, with the party forecast to win the general election with a comfortable majority.

Leader Jeremy Corbyn said it was a "very disappointing night for the Labour Party" - and he would not lead it into the next election.

Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson has lost her seat to the Scottish National Party.

The BBC is now forecasting the Tories will get a majority of 76, less than the 86 originally predicted.

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[KJo]

Good to see the paki loving Hindu hater has been thrashed.

[pankajs]

Only a few days back ...

https://twitter.com/M_Star_Online/statu ... 8389390337

Morning Star @M_Star_Online

115 poets back Labour http://ow.ly/TIda50xxjmY #GE19 #Labour

This is now you win elections.

[g.sarkar]

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50765773
Election results 2019: Boris Johnson returns to power with big majority
Boris Johnson will return to Downing Street with a big majority after the Conservatives swept aside Labour in its traditional heartlands.
With just a handful of seats left to declare in the general election, the BBC forecasts a Tory majority of 78.
The prime minister said it would give him a mandate to "get Brexit done" and take the UK out of the EU next month.
Jeremy Corbyn said Labour had a "very disappointing night" and he would not fight a future election.
The BBC forecast suggests the Tories will get 364 MPs, Labour 203, the SNP 48, the Lib Dems 12, Plaid Cymru four, the Greens one, and the Brexit Party none. That means the Conservatives will have their biggest majority at Westminster since Margaret Thatcher's 1987 election victory.
Labour, which has lost seats across the North, Midlands and Wales in places which backed Brexit in 2016, is facing its worst defeat since 1935.
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Gautam
I guess appeasing to get the "Asian" vote was not effective. During my stay in UK there was Michael Foot, who was a walking disaster. Jeremy Corbyn beats even that record.

[Lisa]

Does UQ have a Constitution and can it be amended?

Parliament won the English civil war and the doctrine of Parliamentary Supremacy has been in effect since. UK has no formal written constitution but has a number of laws and conventions that are termed the constitution.

No court in the UK, including the Supreme Court, can strike down primary legislation passed by the Parliament. The Parliament, not any written law, is supreme. The Cabinet, the British executive, is technically a committee of the Privy Council, comprised of Parliament members.

The UK Parliament thus has unique powers. Though it hasn't done so since 1820, it has the power to pass a bill of attainder, sentencing someone to death. Note that the US constitution explicitly prevents the Congress from passing bills of attainder. Before the UK Supreme Court was created in 2009, the highest court in the UK was the House of Lords, the upper house of Parliament itself (though only Law Lords in modern times could adjudicate cases). The Lord High Chancellor, the cabinet member responsible for the administration of justice, was prior to 2009, the presiding officer of the House of Lords and the head of the UK Judiciary. No true separation of powers in the UK before 2009.

Wow, so well written.

P.S. So happy that JC and his anti Indian One Day Motions are in the dump!

[Kashi]

P.S. So happy that JC and his anti Indian One Day Motions are in the dump!

But his horde of anti-India MPs have won- Liam Byrne, Naz Shah, Khalid Mehmood, Afzal Khan, Yasmin Qureshi etc.

[g.sarkar]

Kashiji,
They will bring sharia peacefully in UK and make it the Bartanistan that we have been talking about in BRF for years.
Gautam

[Lisa]

P.S. So happy that JC and his anti Indian One Day Motions are in the dump!

But his horde of anti-India MPs have won- Liam Byrne, Naz Shah, Khalid Mehmood, Afzal Khan, Yasmin Qureshi etc.

Kashiji,

They have an even smaller number of MP's in parliament now than yesterday. What can they do? They are absolutely toothless creatures!

Furthermore please note, Boris, whose former wife was part Indian, has brought more Indians into his cabinet than any PM in history.

[Kashi]

Also, most of the "Corbynistas" (for a lack of a better term) have won- Corbyn himself, Diane Abbott, Emily Thornberry, Richard Burgon, Ian Lavery, Siobhain McDonagh among others.

Under these circumstances, would the Labour really change much from within? These folks would be happy for Labour to lose election after election, if they can retain their seats and privileges.

[pankajs]

May be but if Corbynistas ensure no real legislative or executive power to labor then what is not to.like about it.

Individual or collectively they can rave and rant but that's about it.

[Lisa]

One other tale, Re Diane Abbott. This is what her son did 2 weeks ago. Strange that even the BBC will not cover how the family of a potential Home Secretary act in public but do have time to ask Borris about his children.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/04/diane-ab ... -11268083/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dian ... -26slz3c97

P.S. She also had an affair with JC!

[UlanBatori]

With a majority like that, BoJoHouse could mandate that the EU get out of England and take Mullah Corbyn and his bunch. Maybe even clean up Dera Brixton Khan etc. Bring in dress code against portable mailboxes.

[Roop]

With a majority like that... bring in dress code against portable mailboxes.

No, nothing like that. Boris himself may be a BBQ (Ban the Burqa) type, but there's too much pro-Paki sentiment in Britain for anything like that to happen. Besides, Brits/Yanks/Canucks etc. all mentally associate BBQ with the French, and if there's one thing the Brits look down on more than pesky jihadis, it is pesky Frogs.

[Peregrine]

Indian-origin candidates register strong result in UK general elections - PTI

LONDON: Indian-origin candidates across both the Conservative and Labour parties on Friday registered strong results in the UK's general election, with around a dozen MPs retaining their seats alongside some new faces.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson clinched an emphatic victory in Thursday's election, setting the UK on course for an exit from the European Union (EU) in the New Year.

All the Indian-origin MPs from the previous Parliament were successful in clinching their seats, with Gagan Mohindra and Claire Coutinho for the Conservative Party and Navendru Mishra for Labour among the first-timers.

"Time to Get Brexit Done and get on with investing in our schools, hospitals and police to keep our streets safe," said Goan-origin Coutinho, in reference to the central Conservative Party message which clearly resonated with the voters in the polls.

She won the Surrey East Tory-held seat polling 35,624 votes, with an impressive majority of 24,040 for the party. Mohindra also won his Hertfordshire South West seat decisively with 30,327 votes and a majority of 14,408.

The other Tories to return to the Commons with comfortable wins include Priti Patel, the former UK homes secretary who is likely to remain in Johnson's top team in the new Cabinet as well.

“This has been a hard-fought election in a very cold time of the year because we needed a functioning Conservative majority,” said Patel, who polled 32,876 votes at her Witham constituency in Essex and held on to a majority of 24,082 for the party.

“We are committed to deliver on priorities and getting Brexit done is a priority. The deal is there, we want to move forward,” she said.

Her fellow Cabinet colleagues in the previous Johnson-led government also had a good night, with Rishi Sunak – the son-in-law of Infosys co-founder Narayana Murthy – clinching 36,693 votes, marking a majority for the Tories of 27,210. Alok Sharma, the former international development minister, polled 24,393 votes to win from Reading West.

Shailesh Vara won his North West Cambridgeshire seat with a solid majority of 25,983, polling 40,307 votes and Goan-origin Suella Braverman clinched Fareham with 36,459 votes, registering a majority of 26,086.

The pro-Brexit MP thanked her constituency team for its “unstinting support” and
hard work.

“Great teamwork in the rain, the cold and the dark! All patriots who want to Get Brexit Done with Boris Johnson,” she tweeted soon after the result was declared.

The Opposition Labour Party had a disastrous night overall, losing key seats in its heartlands in the north, but for all the Indian-origin MPs from the last Parliament there was a reason to celebrate.

Navendru Mishra bagged 21,695 votes to clinch the Stockport seat and become a first-time MP for the party. Preet Kaur Gill, who had made history in the last election as the first British Sikh female MP, was re-elected from Birmingham Edgbaston with 21,217 votes.

Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi, the first turbaned Sikh MP, will also return to the Commons with an impressive 13,640 majority, having polled 29,421 votes from Slough in southeast England and beating Tory Indian-origin rival Kanwal Toor Gill.

Veteran MP Virendra Sharma, who had been under pressure by forces within his own party, had a comfortable win from Ealing Southall with 25,678 votes. The others holding on to their seats included Lisa Nandy who won Wigan with 21,042 votes and Seema Malhotra clinched Feltham and Heston with 24,876 votes.

Valerie Vaz, the sister of scandal-hit former MP Keith Vaz who had stepped down ahead of the election, held on to her Walsall South seat with 20,872 votes, beating Indian-origin Tory candidate Gurjit Bains

The far-right Brexit Party, which had fielded a number of Indian-origin candidates, failed to make a dent in the election, which marked the biggest win for the Conservatives since the 1980s.

Cheers

[Peregrine]

12-12-2019 ELECTION RESULTS

Cheers

[Peregrine]

Britain’s general election

Boris Johnson’s big win

The Conservatives triumph. Yet Boris Johnson faces tough challenges over Brexit—and much else

GRIMSBY SUMMED UP a fantastic night for the Conservatives and a terrible one for Labour and the Liberal Democrats. Although Great Grimsby had been a Labour seat for 74 years, supporters of all parties were conceding in the pubs by mid-afternoon that the Tories had won there. Even before hearing at 3.39am that she had lost, Melanie Onn, the Labour incumbent, was saying she wanted a break from politics—or at least the weekend off.

By then the story of the night was clear. Boris Johnson had pressed for an early election to end the purported deadlock in Parliament and “get Brexit done”. And voters across the country agreed with him. After three-and-a-half years of squabbling ever since their referendum vote to leave the European Union in June 2016, they chose to back Mr Johnson. By early on December 13th it looked as if his Tory majority would be around 80 seats. His strategy of relying on a simple slogan, proposing a cautious and eminently forgettable manifesto and, as far as possible, avoiding potentially awkward press or television interviews seemed entirely vindicated.

His slogan also proved tactically astute, not least because it enabled him to unite Leave voters behind the Tories. The most important moment in the campaign may have been the decision by Nigel Farage, leader of the Brexit Party, not to run candidates in Tory-held seats. This signalled to hardline Brexit supporters that they could vote for the Tories instead. During the campaign the climb in the Conservatives’ poll share precisely mirrored the collapse in that of the Brexit Party. The Conservatives won some Labour-held seats where the Brexit Party put up candidates. Mr Farage’s party took Labour votes from people who could not bring themselves to back the Tories.

In contrast the Remain vote stayed split between Labour and the Liberal Democrats. The Lib Dems, whose leader Jo Swinson helped to bring forward an early election, had a wretched night. They may have picked up a few seats in London and the south-east but they were roundly defeated elsewhere. Many Lib Dems who were bent on stopping a Brexit-flavoured Tory victory decided to switch their votes to Labour instead. Ms Swinson lost her own Scottish seat to the Scottish National Party.

Labour’s disappointment was no less crushing. By the early morning of December 13th the party was on course to win only about 200 seats, its worst result since 1935 (see chart). Once again it had been all but wiped out in Scotland. But even more humiliating was its performance across the “red wall”, a clutch of seats from north Wales to Yorkshire, most of which it had held for decades. From Wrexham in Wales through to Wolverhampton in the West Midlands and Ashfield in the East Midlands to Grimsby, the night saw red turn to blue as the Tories hoovered up seats that they could once never have dreamed of winning.

Senior Labour figures blamed Brexit, and by implication their own party’s ambivalence over whether to accept it or try to reverse it. Yet although the wish to get Brexit done was undoubtedly a big reason for the Tories’ success, it was not the only cause of Labour’s woes. Right across their red wall, Labour candidates reported that previously loyal voters were dismayed by the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn. This was not only because Labour had put forward a far-left manifesto, which it did, but even more because traditional Labour voters felt out of sympathy with his weakness for foreign dictators, terrorists and anti-Semitism.

Yet even though the story of the night was one of Tory triumph and Labour and Lib Dem disaster, not everything went Mr Johnson’s way. The surge of support for the Scottish Nationalists bodes ill for his desire to thwart any talk of another independence referendum. The early Northern Irish results also point to losses by the Tories’ erstwhile allies, the Democratic Unionist Party. And against gains in the Midlands and the north of England, the Tories failed to make gains in and around London, suggesting the capital and its immediate hinterland are out of sympathy with the increasingly pro-Brexit Tories.

Indeed, the divisions in the electorate thrown up by these results may not always help the Conservatives. Their support among older voters is rock-solid. But the under-30s are almost as strongly pro-Labour. Women now vote Labour more than men do. The old splits by class and education have also shifted markedly. In the past middle-class voters and graduates tended to support the Conservatives. Now they are as likely to back Labour. And the Tories have made new inroads among non-graduates and working-class voters, who support the party in greater numbers than ever before.

This realignment was crucial to Mr Johnson’s big win. Yet it is a fragile one based largely on Brexit and a visceral dislike of Mr Corbyn. Suppose that Brexit is done and Labour replaces its leaders, after losing four elections in a row. Voters from the Midlands and north who have backed Mr Johnson or the Brexit Party this time round might by the next election be suffering from the Brexit fallout. If so, they could easily return to Labour. And that risk may constrain his freedom of action in office, especially in relation to how he deals with the next round of Brexit negotiations.

After his triumph Mr Johnson can be confident of forcing his renegotiated withdrawal agreement through Parliament in good time for Britain formally to leave the EU by the current deadline of January 31st. But the country will then move into a transition period during which its membership rights and obligations will, in effect, continue. And though some are suggesting that a big majority will enable Mr Johnson to soften his terms for a future trade deal with the EU, and to embrace a new liberalised and free-trade agenda, others are pointing out that the need to retain his new Brexit-backing voters will inevitably steer him in a direction that is more protectionist and less keen on immigration.


It will also become harder for Mr Johnson to break his manifesto promise not to extend the December 2020 deadline for ending the transition period. Yet all trade experts say that a comprehensive deal with the EU of the sort that he advocates cannot conceivably be negotiated and ratified in such a short time. Trade deals typically take several years, not several months. So unless Mr Johnson is ready to ask for an extension, the risk of Britain leaving the EU with no trade deal in place at the end of next year will be significant. The result would be high barriers to exports and severe disruption to trade.

Both business and the financial markets have welcomed the majority that Mr Johnson has won this week, not least because it has killed off the spectre of a Corbyn-led, far-left government. But they may find that a year with a rampant Mr Johnson in charge of negotiations with the EU is not all that comfortable either.

Dig deeper: Our latest coverage of Britain’s election

Cheers

[g.sarkar]

https://indiaincgroup.com/what-does-bor ... for-india/
What does Boris Johnson’s win mean for India?
by Manoj Ladwa
Highlights:
The Conservatives’ comprehensive victory means Britain will be leaving the EU on 31 January 2020.
Boris Johnson’s win spells optimistic news for relations with India and gives Indian businesses the certainty they have been calling for.
The relevance of the Indian diaspora and its ability to organise and make electoral impact was on display in this election.
From deeper cooperation on counter-terrorism, turbo-boosting trade relations and better understanding on immigration, to new-found political activism by Britain’s 1.5 million strong Indian diaspora, India Inc. Founder and CEO Manoj Ladwa explores the contours of what Boris Johnson’s emphatic victory means for India.
The British public have spoken. Loudly and emphatically. They have voted to get Brexit done, and in doing so, given Prime Minister Boris Johnson the most comprehensive Conservative victory since Margaret Thatcher.
Boris Johnson fought the campaign on the repeated promise of taking Brexit-fatigued Britain out of the European Union on 31 January 2020. This epic result, in the UK’s most significant election in living memory, means Britain will be leaving on that date, and on the terms of the fully emboldened Prime Minister.
I cannot remember a UK election that has also been so eagerly (and perhaps, anxiously) watched in India. This is not surprising given the significant business, strategic, and diaspora interests that India now has in the UK. India is the third-largest investor in the UK, Indians are the largest employers in the manufacturing sector, and there is a huge and vibrant diaspora presence, with over 1.5 million Indian heritage people living and working in the UK.
The result gives Indian business the certainty they have been calling for; if not the details of what the full-fledged UK-EU trade deal will eventually look like, the fact that they will need to start adjusting to the post-Brexit challenges as well as opportunities that the UK’s new course will provide. The UK remains a hugely competitive and innovative economy, and though perhaps less a base for expansion into the EU, it will fight hard to be India Inc’s launching pad for newer markets globally, including across the untapped Commonwealth.
More generally, Boris Johnson’s win spells optimistic news for relations with India. In contrast to the open hostility demonstrated by Jeremy Corbyn on issues from Kashmir to engagement with Prime Minister Modi, Johnson has been forthright in his desire to see much deeper relations with India.
During a campaign visit to the world-famous Swaminarayan Temple in north west London last week, Johnson, in referring to Prime Minister Modi as “Narendra bhai”, talked about standing shoulder to shoulder with India against cross-border terrorism, supporting the Indian leader in his quest to build a New India, and expressing a strong desire to visit India at the earliest possible opportunity should he be elected.
We can, therefore, expect Downing Street starting early preparations for what has all the potential for being the most high-profile visit of a UK Prime Minister to India in recent history. We can also expect both sides to turn up the volume on a trade deal, despite the skepticism in some parts of Whitehall. Specific areas where meaningful progress could be made include defence and security (especially cyber security),data protection protocols, medical tourism, Ayurveda, cooperation in healthcare and education, and enhancing India’s role in the Commonwealth.
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Gautam

[sooraj]

Watch: Conservative Friends of India releases video for Boris Johnson

[KJo]

This Jihadi Mehdi is in mourning.
See how he cleverly involves "minorities".

[UlanBatori]

Funny thing is that Corbynism got wiped out in Scottistan? What about EOI (English-Occupied-Ireland)?

[IndraD]

Northern Ireland taken up by Lib Dem & local parties (SF)
Incumbent DUP lost big
full report https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50766004

(noteworthy Wales , Scotland , NI out of bounds of conservatives mostly)

[Kashi]

London remains largely Labour, so do Merseyside, Manchester, large parts Lancashire and Tyneside.

Whys is that?

[A_Gupta]

Corbyn was kind of pro-Brexit, wish you-washy, giving no reason for either Remainers or Leavers to vote for him.

Good that there is an unambiguous result, better than continued gridlock.