Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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Postby rsingh » 14 Jul 2018 18:12

POTUS talking to SUN,,,,,,,,,that is amusing. It like modi is talking to some Mid-day tajakhaber type tabloids.

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Postby rgosain » 14 Jul 2018 23:22

Whilst some Indians are happy to give the Thomson-Reuters foundation the benefit of the doubt for their fraudulent and unscientific methodology known as perception indexing, the former UK FM, Bojo is not prepared to be so generous. A Uk_iranian national who works for reuters and bbc has been imprisoned in Iran for visa irregularities. Unwisely, BoJo said she was there to train Iranian journalists much to the irritation of the Iranian courts who have increased the sentence.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/m ... ounterpart

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/m ... conviction

One would think all of this might place Iran at the top of the Reuters perception list, but what this shows is how craven Reuters are, when it comes to appeasing Islamist states and dictators as, India gets top billing.
ps i make no distinction between the foundation and TR - the association between the two is absolute.

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Postby eklavya » 14 Jul 2018 23:42

rsingh wrote:POTUS talking to SUN,,,,,,,,,that is amusing. It like modi is talking to some Mid-day tajakhaber type tabloids.


Not quite.

1) The Sun is the largest circulation “newspaper” in the UK

2) It is read by the type of uneducated racist people that voted for Trump and Brexit. Trump is a big Brexit supporter.

3) It is owned by Trump’s good friend, Rupert Murdoch (Fox News), so they were doing each other a favour.

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Postby rsingh » 15 Jul 2018 21:49

No wonder. Just have a look to check the quality of their most circulated newspaper. They deserve SUN :rotfl:

https://www.google.be/search?q=sun+news ... 40&bih=826

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Postby Bart S » 15 Jul 2018 22:23

To quote Yes Prime Minister "Sun readers don't care who runs the country, so long as she's got big t*ts"


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Postby chetak » 15 Jul 2018 22:58

Bart S wrote:To quote Yes Prime Minister "Sun readers don't care who runs the country, so long as she's got big t*ts"

[youtube]DGscoaUWW2M[youtube]


and Trump does know lots of people with big tits. :wink:

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Postby g.sarkar » 16 Jul 2018 06:21

chetak wrote:
Bart S wrote:To quote Yes Prime Minister "Sun readers don't care who runs the country, so long as she's got big t*ts"
[youtube]DGscoaUWW2M[youtube]

and Trump does know lots of people with big tits. :wink:

Yes, and knows them in a Biblical way. But Karma is catching up to him.
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Postby IndraD » 23 Jul 2018 17:58

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/sikh-to ... rt-1888048

In UK Sikhs to be identified as separate identity rather than Indian! Clearly result of ongoing tension between India & UK: w UK fanning up separatist ideology!

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Postby Suraj » 23 Jul 2018 18:47

Stop being so riled up by the trolling of a has been power . It’s your own anger and attention that still validates them. Simply bring it to the attention of GoI and demand a punitive measure that hurts them for real, in exchange for a hamfisted attempt like this on their part .

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Postby IndraD » 24 Jul 2018 03:41

Sorry for OT ..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -the-cause

from Finland to Canada Northen hemisphere is baking in unusual heat.
UK has faced abnormal heat wave with many counties in England asking residents not to water garden, with temp soaring above 33 C weather dept asked people in South East England to stay indoors.
Heat wave is Resulting in lower reservoirs, dried grass lands and parched jungles. Animals have died, wild fires are raging and human civilisation is struggling across countries!

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Postby Neshant » 24 Jul 2018 16:32

IndraD wrote:Sorry for OT ..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -the-cause

from Finland to Canada Northen hemisphere is baking in unusual heat.
UK has faced abnormal heat wave with many counties in England asking residents not to water garden, with temp soaring above 33 C weather dept asked people in South East England to stay indoors.
Heat wave is Resulting in lower reservoirs, dried grass lands and parched jungles. Animals have died, wild fires are raging and human civilisation is struggling across countries!


Sounds like the usual global warming alarmist BS.

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Postby rsingh » 24 Jul 2018 22:04

Yee, Grass is dry. Small plants have died. My pool was cleaned for repairs and now I am told not to fill it up for the time being. I live on the edge of forest but people in city blocks are suffering. Air conditioning (for private houses ) is rare. They call it "Indian Summer".

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Postby IndraD » 24 Jul 2018 23:33

even friends based in Canada told they already had 3 heat warning issued which was unusual before August marched in.

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Postby nachiket » 25 Jul 2018 00:06

What has this got to do with Indo-UK News and Discussions? No more climate change discussions here.

We have two climate related threads you can post this in:
Climate Change: Propaganda Vs Reality

Weather Forecast & Current Climate Conditions

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Postby Singha » 25 Jul 2018 00:45

new media has rumours that mallya is sending feelers about coming back on this own.

mehul choksi and his relative have apparently fled to antigua and taken its passport.

some of these small nations are friendly with india and might be willing to play ball if we send a joint ED + RBI + NSG team there and haul him back.

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Postby Suraj » 25 Jul 2018 01:46

Hopefully GoI has nothing to 'negotiate' with a crook for. All that's there to negotiate is an emergency travel document to let him get on a plane to India, since he has no currently valid travel document. The terms of his treatment in India are not for him to negotiate. He's already booked as a fugitive economic offender, and he'll follow the law of the land.

Interesting that Mehul Choksi is no longer in Belgium. He supposedly had Singapore and Belgium passports. Singapore does not permit dual citizenship at all, so it appears they have revoked his passport. Apparently he doesn't even trust EU's ability to hide him within, if he's run away to Antigua. The latter is one of the many tax havens with 'citizenship by investment' programs - you get their passport in exchange for $250,000 invested.

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Postby Suraj » 26 Jul 2018 00:01

Vijay Mallya assets case: UK Court of Appeal refuses permission to appeal
The UK’s Court of Appeal has refused Vijay Mallya the permission to appeal against a High Court order in favour of 13 Indian banks to recover funds amounting to nearly 1.145 billion pounds, in another setback to the embattled liquor tycoon. The 62-year-old businessman, who is separately undergoing an extradition trial in a UK court over fraud and money laundering charges by Indian authorities, had sought permission to appeal against the High Court order dated May 8. In the ruling, Judge Andrew Henshaw had refused to overturn a worldwide order freezing Mallya’s assets and also denied permission to appeal, which left Mallya with the only option of turning to the Court of Appeal.

Judge Henshaw’s order marked the first recorded case of a judgment of the Debt Recovery Tribunal (DRT) in India being registered by the English High Court, setting a legal precedent. The Court of Appeal judges looked into Mallya’s application seeking permission to appeal and decided against it yesterday.

As a result of the High Court order, the Indian banks – State Bank of India, Bank of Baroda, Corporation bank, Federal Bank Ltd, IDBI Bank, Indian Overseas Bank, Jammu & Kashmir Bank, Punjab & Sind Bank, Punjab National Bank, State Bank of Mysore, UCO Bank, United Bank of India and JM Financial Asset Reconstruction Co Pvt Ltd – have the right to enforce the Indian judgment against Mallya’s assets in England and Wales.

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Postby Shanmukh » 26 Jul 2018 07:56

Suraj wrote:As a result of the High Court order, the Indian banks – State Bank of India, Bank of Baroda, Corporation bank, Federal Bank Ltd, IDBI Bank, Indian Overseas Bank, Jammu & Kashmir Bank, Punjab & Sind Bank, Punjab National Bank, State Bank of Mysore, UCO Bank, United Bank of India and JM Financial Asset Reconstruction Co Pvt Ltd – have the right to enforce the Indian judgment against Mallya’s assets in England and Wales.


It looks like the jurisdiction, for the moment, includes only England & Wales. The Crown Territories like Isle of Man & Guernsey are not required to directly enforce the order. They are part of the Reciprocal Arrangement Agreements. See this https://www.out-law.com/topics/dispute- ... ts-abroad/.

Consequently, the UK court's judgement may have to undergo another judicial review in Guernsey/Isle of Man. How simple or otherwise this process is, I do not know.

However, for Scotland, enforcing this order is probably simpler. It is part of the Brussels Regulation since the Brits have still not formally left the EU.

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Postby chetak » 26 Jul 2018 08:24

Shanmukh wrote:
Suraj wrote:As a result of the High Court order, the Indian banks – State Bank of India, Bank of Baroda, Corporation bank, Federal Bank Ltd, IDBI Bank, Indian Overseas Bank, Jammu & Kashmir Bank, Punjab & Sind Bank, Punjab National Bank, State Bank of Mysore, UCO Bank, United Bank of India and JM Financial Asset Reconstruction Co Pvt Ltd – have the right to enforce the Indian judgment against Mallya’s assets in England and Wales.


It looks like the jurisdiction, for the moment, includes only England & Wales. The Crown Territories like Isle of Man & Guernsey are not required to directly enforce the order. They are part of the Reciprocal Arrangement Agreements. See this https://www.out-law.com/topics/dispute- ... ts-abroad/.

Consequently, the UK court's judgement may have to undergo another judicial review in Guernsey/Isle of Man. How simple or otherwise this process is, I do not know.

However, for Scotland, enforcing this order is probably simpler. It is part of the Brussels Regulation since the Brits have still not formally left the EU.


Also, mallaya has been barred from appealing this judgment. The right to appeal is not automatic under UK law.

This shortens the process as well as speeds it up. This may be behind his eagerness to "return" to India and I am sure that the he will either get a comfortable hospital stay or maybe even house arrest.

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Postby Suraj » 26 Jul 2018 08:50

Shanmukh, I’m not sure how the jurisdictional area of EWHC is relevant . It’s the banks themselves who appproached EWHC in order to win the ability to confiscate his properties within the jurisdiction of the court .

Mallya has already been served his summons . He is to present himself in PMLA court in Mumbai on August 27, failing which all his properties will be confiscated . He will also automatically lose both the ability to file a civil claim or defend himself against one. That’s in addition to the criminal fraud charges he faces .

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Postby Shanmukh » 26 Jul 2018 09:59

Suraj wrote:Shanmukh, I’m not sure how the jurisdictional area of EWHC is relevant . It’s the banks themselves who appproached EWHC in order to win the ability to confiscate his properties within the jurisdiction of the court .

Mallya has already been served his summons . He is to present himself in FMLA court in Mumbai on August 27, failing which all his properties will be confiscated . He will also automatically lose both the ability to file a civil claim or defend himself against one. That’s in addition to the criminal fraud charges he faces .


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Given the reputation of Isle of Man & Guernsey for being (in)famous tax havens, I wouldn't be surprised if Mallya has assets there. I was wondering if the creditors, using the England & Wales High Court decision, could seize his assets in these Crown Territories & Scotland too, where Mallya may well have his assets, along with whatever assets he has in England & Wales.

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Postby Suraj » 26 Jul 2018 11:01

It is up to the creditors to decide which jurisdiction(s) to make their case in. Mallya is not the plaintiff here, the consortium of banks are; they file their case where they want to pursue the assets they're seeking .

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chetak wrote:
Shanmukh wrote:
It looks like the jurisdiction, for the moment, includes only England & Wales. The Crown Territories like Isle of Man & Guernsey are not required to directly enforce the order. They are part of the Reciprocal Arrangement Agreements. See this https://www.out-law.com/topics/dispute- ... ts-abroad/.

Consequently, the UK court's judgement may have to undergo another judicial review in Guernsey/Isle of Man. How simple or otherwise this process is, I do not know.

However, for Scotland, enforcing this order is probably simpler. It is part of the Brussels Regulation since the Brits have still not formally left the EU.


Also, mallaya has been barred from appealing this judgment. The right to appeal is not automatic under UK law.

This shortens the process as well as speeds it up. This may be behind his eagerness to "return" to India and I am sure that the he will either get a comfortable hospital stay or maybe even house arrest.



UK court refuses Vijay Mallya permission to appeal against HC order in favor of Indian Banks ..

"In the ruling, Judge Andrew Henshaw had refused to overturn a worldwide order freezing Mallya's assets and also denied permission to appeal, which left Mallya with the only option of turning to the Court of Appeal.

Judge Henshaw's order marked the first recorded case of a judgment of the Debt Recovery Tribunal (DRT) in India being registered by the English High Court, setting a legal precedent.

The Court of Appeal judges looked into Mallya's application seeking permission to appeal and decided against it yesterday.

"The English judicial system does not give parties an unfettered right to appeal. The right to appeal is restricted. A party can only appeal a decision of the first instance Court if the first instance Court or the Appellate Court gives the party permission to appeal," he explained.

"A party is granted permission to appeal only in cases where the appeal appears to have a real prospect of success or there is some other compelling reason why the appeal should be heard. Therefore, in majority of the cases permission is refused," he added.


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Postby Suraj » 27 Jul 2018 21:05

Jaggi in Swarajyamag:
Mallya’s Goose Is Cooked: Two Lessons India Inc Can Learn From His Troubles
The two lessons India’s crony capitalists should learn from just over four years of Modi rule are these: if your business fails, don’t expect to pay nothing for your mistakes. There is the Insolvency & Bankruptcy Code (IBC) to recover your dues to the extent possible. The second lesson is starker: if you owe money, and you have good assets in India, don’t even think of fleeing. London will not come to your rescue. You will end up losing even more.

The case of Vijay Mallya is illustrative on this score. A few weeks back, he painted himself as a victim of the government’s desire to make him the “poster boy of bank defaults.” But he had that coming for his arrogance in believing that no one will chase him all the way to London to bring him to justice. Or that the British courts will protect him no matter what his alleged crimes are. After Brexit, the British government can no longer act high and mighty and tell India your prisons stink or that the law is faulty.

The multi-pronged attack on Mallya by the Modi government – from launching extradition proceedings against him, to the successful bid by Indian banks to freeze his assets in the UK to recover their loan dues, to the passing of the Fugitive Economic Offenders Act 2018 – have ensured that he has very little room for manoeuvre.

In May, 13 Indian banks succeeded in obtaining an order from the Commercial Court Queens Bench division in London for freezing his international assets by registering an order of an Indian Debt Recovery Tribunal (DRT) for the same. This month, an appeals court refused him permission to challenge that order, saying his appeal had “no real prospect of success.” Mallya had claimed that a Bengaluru DRT’s orders on debt recovery could not be enforced in the UK.

Now, with the Enforcement Directorate using the Fugitive Economic Offenders Act to ask Indian courts to seize his assets in India, Mallya has only two options left: one is to defy any court order and brazen it out in the hope that his lawyers will manage to stretch the issue for as long as possible, and the other is to return to India and go to jail – possibly temporarily – and then seek bail while fighting his cases and debt recovery processes legally.

Mallya made a huge mistake in fleeing India when, in early 2016, he looked likely to face arrest over his loan defaults and alleged attempts to divert bank funds to other accounts. Faced with a huge political embarrassment back home, the Modi government pulled out all the stops to get him extradited from the UK, even while taking a hard line on his debts and illegalities. The Fugitive Economic Offenders Act became inevitable when two more businessmen – Nirav Modi and Mehul Choksi – fled the country in the wake of the Punjab National bank fraud.

Under the Act, Indian agencies can move the relevant courts to seize the domestic assets of those running away from the law for alleged economic offences.

Thanks to his huge miscalculation that the long arm of Indian law will never get to him, Mallya now faces the real prospect of having both his global and domestic assets being seized. A Special Court that hears cases under the Prevention of Money Laundering Act issued a summons to Mallya asking him to appear before it by 27 August, or else face the consequences under the Fugitive Economic Offenders law.

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Postby Suraj » 27 Jul 2018 21:32

Singha wrote:https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/antigua-may-consider-indias-legitimate-request-to-send-back-mehul-choksi-report-1890408

PMLA court summons under the Fugitive Economic Offenders Act for Nirav Modi and Mehul Choksi also announced:
Mallya, Modi, Choksi summoned on these dates as Fugitive Economic Offenders Bill starts biting
Vijay Mallya, Nirav Modi, and Mehul Choksi have been summoned by special PMLA court in Mumbai under the Fugitive Economic Offenders Bill, failing which they could be declared fugitive economic offenders. The three businessmen are accused of bank fraud, have fled the country and are evading prosecution.

Vijay Mallya has been summoned by the PMLA court to appear before it on August 27, while Nirav Modi and Mehul Choksi have been summoned on September 25 and 26 on the plea filed by Enforcement Directorate, which now has powers to confiscate their properties. The Fugitive Economic Offenders Bill has been tailor-made to deal with cases like these.

“The bill gives biting teeth to the authorities by allowing them to confiscate properties of offenders, otherwise were easily escaping the legal process in India. The bill also significantly eases the process of attachment and confiscation of property which has been a long-drawn process under the existing laws,” S Vasudevan, Partner, Lakshmikumaran & Sridharan Attorneys told FE Online.

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Postby ashish raval » 28 Jul 2018 03:53

I have suspicion that Mallya will soon do runner to safer heavens. I will be surprised if he does not.

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Postby Singha » 28 Jul 2018 06:35

He can run to where? Has been tarred and feathered and only lahore oe karachi are options

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Postby Suraj » 28 Jul 2018 07:05

He does not have a travel document to exit UK, or else he’d have left by now, like Nirav Modi and Mehul Choksi. What he has is an ILR, which can be in an expired or invalidated passport , but ILR is a residence permit and not a travel document .

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Postby Singha » 28 Jul 2018 09:21

Ibnlive

New Delhi: Antigua's government will "honour any legitimate request" to extradite fugitive diamantaire Mehul Choksi who became a citizen of the archetypal Caribbean islands before the $2 billion fraud at state-run Punjab National Bank came to light, Foreign Minister EP Chet Greene has said, according to a report in Antigua's The Daily Observer newspaper.

The minister's public assurance given after a cabinet meeting on Thursday is a setback to Mehul Choksi, who was seen to have gone beyond the reach of investigators by getting himself a new country that does not have an extradition treaty with India.

But the Caribbean twin-island state of Antigua and Barbuda has made it clear that it would not allow the absence of a treaty stand in the way

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Postby Singha » 28 Jul 2018 09:22

West indies have good relations with india historically
Hope they come through , put this guy in a sack and send him to nepal border to be tagged and nabbed

Will send a chill into other economic fugitives

He is not at all worth it for them to protect

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Postby ashish raval » 28 Jul 2018 12:23

Suraj wrote:He does not have a travel document to exit UK, or else he’d have left by now, like Nirav Modi and Mehul Choksi. What he has is an ILR, which can be in an expired or invalidated passport , but ILR is a residence permit and not a travel document .

One don't need to travel anywhere to get passport of another country. Embassy based in London can issue then. They can use this to fly out to other safe heaven.

I also think that he and other figtives had enough time to disperse all their assets within their families such that they would not have much left as the assets in their name by now. This is where government needs to strengthen the offender's bill to get money gifted, transferred, bequeathed, trusted or inherited to their extended family members. Perhaps there are provisions in current bill but I don't know if that is the case.

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Postby Neshant » 28 Jul 2018 12:36

chetak wrote:This shortens the process as well as speeds it up. This may be behind his eagerness to "return" to India and I am sure that the he will either get a comfortable hospital stay or maybe even house arrest.


he will be reporting serious health issues and a need for extended hospital stay in 3...2...1...

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Postby Suraj » 28 Jul 2018 20:52

ashish raval wrote:
Suraj wrote:He does not have a travel document to exit UK, or else he’d have left by now, like Nirav Modi and Mehul Choksi. What he has is an ILR, which can be in an expired or invalidated passport , but ILR is a residence permit and not a travel document .

One don't need to travel anywhere to get passport of another country. Embassy based in London can issue then. They can use this to fly out to other safe heaven.

I also think that he and other figtives had enough time to disperse all their assets within their families such that they would not have much left as the assets in their name by now. This is where government needs to strengthen the offender's bill to get money gifted, transferred, bequeathed, trusted or inherited to their extended family members. Perhaps there are provisions in current bill but I don't know if that is the case.

Your arguments need to line up with the facts of reality . Particularly, it needs to pass the ‘if it were possible, he’d have already done it’ test , rather than simply come up with fanciful notions .

In fact, what you’re arguing is what Nirav Modi and Mehul Choksi are/were doing . They had a Singapore passport . Not anymore . And a Belgian passport . But can’t hide in Europe . And a St Kitts passport . But not there . And an Antigua passport . But the windies aren’t inclined to make enemies of us either .

Further, Mallya has already blustered that he can’t lose his house in UK because it’s in his family’s name. And yet he’s running around scared now . Maybe you should read the Fugitive Economic Offenders Act - it gives power to confiscate any private property where the culprit has an interest, not just what’s directly his by deed .

Mallya at least has the courage to brazen it out so far . Choksi and Modi are rats scurrying around. Singapore couldn’t protect them . Even an EU passport didn’t give them safety . Now they’re using outright ‘investor passports’ from tax haven Caribbean islands to hide there . They have no shame and will most likely miss their September summons and lose every last lunch tray and metal tumbler at home .

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Suraj wrote:
ashish raval wrote:One don't need to travel anywhere to get passport of another country. Embassy based in London can issue then. They can use this to fly out to other safe heaven.

I also think that he and other figtives had enough time to disperse all their assets within their families such that they would not have much left as the assets in their name by now. This is where government needs to strengthen the offender's bill to get money gifted, transferred, bequeathed, trusted or inherited to their extended family members. Perhaps there are provisions in current bill but I don't know if that is the case.

Your arguments need to line up with the facts of reality . Particularly, it needs to pass the ‘if it were possible, he’d have already done it’ test , rather than simply come up with fanciful notions .

In fact, what you’re arguing is what Nirav Modi and Mehul Choksi are/were doing . They had a Singapore passport . Not anymore . And a Belgian passport . But can’t hide in Europe . And a St Kitts passport . But not there . And an Antigua passport . But the windies aren’t inclined to make enemies of us either .

Further, Mallya has already blustered that he can’t lose his house in UK because it’s in his family’s name. And yet he’s running around scared now . Maybe you should read the Fugitive Economic Offenders Act - it gives power to confiscate any private property where the culprit has an interest, not just what’s directly his by deed .

Mallya at least has the courage to brazen it out so far . Choksi and Modi are rats scurrying around. Singapore couldn’t protect them . Even an EU passport didn’t give them safety . Now they’re using outright ‘investor passports’ from tax haven Caribbean islands to hide there . They have no shame and will most likely miss their September summons and lose every last lunch tray and metal tumbler at home .

Why don't you Google and confirm whether or not it is possible to get an Antiguan passport by simple clicking few buttons and having an agent who can confirm everything while one sits on his/ her yatch. I know this as a fact that it is possible. How do you even know he has not applied or don't have it. He may simply be waiting to noose to tighten and slip away like others did so far.
These offenders have thoroughly studied the loopholes and thereby avoiding being caught. I hope FEO act is strong enough. From what I have read, FEO may loose property in India and proceeds may flow secured creditors first and then to central government. I hope GOI follows these rats to death just and not simpky end up as other Warren Anderson. If these govt. Can't noone will.

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Postby Suraj » 29 Jul 2018 08:36

I don’t think you’re thinking this through . You’re simply offering possibilities that are already known. Just because something can theoretically be done does not mean it will happen .

The reason for this is an examination of what the persons motives are . Flight, in most legal constructs, is an admission of guilt . Mallya, having already resorted to flight once, has framed his case as one of fear of an unfair trial . To make his case work, he needs to stay within the confines of a legal system he feels will respect his claim - the UK in this case .

Fleeing from UK doesn’t help *him* . The point isn’t about anyone’s skill at googling for Antigua passports . The point is hat you’re simply not looking at the case in its entirety .

Choksi and Modi are infinitely making the case worse for them by repeatedly resorting to flight . It cost them their alleged Singapore passport (who do not permit multiple nationality at all) . They don’t even seem to trust their EU passport . Now they’re hiding out in the Caribbean .

At least Mallya is getting more competent legal advice. He’s fighting his way through the whole thing gamely, which he’s entitled to despite his shenanigans . Choksi and Modi on he other hand are digging themselves into bigger holes by fleeing multiple jurisdictions and making an enemy of multiple governments.

And your argument is that Mallya ‘could do something like that’ . Sure technically he could - he could become stupider and ignore the otherwise shrewd legal counsel he’s getting so far for his money . Or maybe you can tell us WHY fleeing UK is a sensible legally helpful act for him ?

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby ashish raval » 29 Jul 2018 18:05

I have thought on why would Mallya not do it like Modi-Choksi did. The answer is Mallya has extensive base in UK and would want to exhaust all legal weapons here before aiming for Brahmastra. Agree if he runs away now he will make his case infinitely weaker. But what would a person do when all his arrows are close to being over? Indian govt is doing exactly that by making their case water-tight and that is exactly I have been arguing all along that if GOI makes it case solid there is no court in West that will overlook evidence and follow political guidance (some like Italy still may).

As far as making India an enemy is concerned, Antigua has lot of ethnic Mixed Indian population and hence they may not outright like to be seen as anti-indian but they can cite their strong secrecy laws and sovereign rights to dig it out for a while. This is because not doing so will give a clear signal to fugitives that they are vulnerable to pressure from external govt and this will lead to flight of lot of these bad monies to other safe heaven. I am suspecting a long haul fight here rather than a quick win. GoI should use Sam and Daam method of bringing them back as dand and bhed are really not options for GoI here.

Proverb to remember is wicked flees when none purseuth.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Suraj » 29 Jul 2018 22:59

Claims like ''Brahmastra" have no meaning. Technically that means an ultimate weapon that can't be defended against. So prove why fleeing UK is an ultimate weapon. Let's see - he already implied guilt to Indian authorities by fleeing India. Now he allegedly will let the Brits know he was lying all along about judicial persecution in India and doesn't trust or respect their system either, by fleeing THEM after a court action there against him.Once he flees UK, HO can just invalidate his ILR. Why don't you explain how this sequence of actions is a Brahmastra, unless you're implying one that's aimed at his own feet ?

Debating the mechanics of his future actions (e.g. Mallya is googling 'Antigua passports' now) plus some vague claims of what he may do, serves nothing constructive. Arguably he could also be googling "how to contact Elon Musk and what does it cost to send me to Mars ?"... i.e., there are any number of such random things he 'could' do. But don't derail this thread with that. That's just trolling and will invite action.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby chetak » 30 Jul 2018 11:10

JE Menon wrote:If Rajan should become BoE Gov, wait for the collective orgasmic shriek from the female twatterati of India, not to mention seminal journalists - "Modi kicked him out unfairly, and now BoE has grabbed our superstar Rajan"...


This is a dated report but it lays out the truth in a matter where the media and some "intellectuals" pilloried the Modi govt by deliberately misrepresenting facts which they were all very well aware of at the time.

These facts may not have been known to the aam jantha but the media circles reporting and in the "intellectual" circles venting, these facts would have been known.


Modi govt does not deserve the flak it got for Raghuram Rajan’s exit from RBI

Modi govt does not deserve the flak it got for Raghuram Rajan’s exit from RBI

The flak that the Modi government received for it’s treatment of Raghuram Rajan and Rakesh Mohan may have been unwarranted.

Jul 16, 2017

Karan Thapar


I hardly need to stress how much flak the government has received for its alleged treatment of Raghuram Rajan. The alleged ignoring of Rakesh Mohan didn’t receive the same level of attention but the cognoscenti were outspoken in their criticism. Well, it seems, on both counts the obloquy was unfair and wrong.

Most people consider me a critic or, at least, not a supporter of the Modi government. I wouldn’t quarrel with either description. However, I also see myself as an objective and balanced journalist who is duty bound to be fair. In a moment, you’ll understand why I have begun this way.

Two facts, which have come to my attention in recent days, could change the way the media and, indeed, the wider public have viewed the Modi government’s handling of the governorship of the Reserve Bank of India. The prevailing perception is that the government was unfair and ungrateful in denying Raghuram Rajan a second term. Some have even argued he was pushed out. There are also a few who criticised the government for not offering the job to Rakesh Mohan, a former deputy governor, who many thought was the best candidate available.

I hardly need to stress how much flak the government has received for its alleged treatment of Raghuram Rajan. The alleged ignoring of Rakesh Mohan didn’t receive the same level of attention but the cognoscenti were outspoken in their criticism. Well, it seems, on both counts the obloquy was unfair and wrong.

Unimpeachable sources have told me that Mr Rajan was offered a two-year extension. However, the problem was his inability to get a further extension of leave of absence from Chicago University without losing his valuable tenure. Mr Rajan could only stay on for eight additional months.

Quite understandably, the government decided this would be inadequate. It would only add to the uncertainty at the top of the Reserve Bank. It, therefore, opted to choose a new governor.

Seen in this light, it’s clear Mr Rajan was not badly treated and the criticism the government faced on this count was mistaken and unfair. Furthermore, these details were known to a few people but never fully reported, although they were clearly hinted at in an interview Mr Rajan gave the New York Times last September. As the paper put it: “He said that his departure was based on his inability to reach an agreement with the government on serving longer but not serving another full 3 year term.”

Let’s now come to Rakesh Mohan. I’ve very reliably learnt he was approached for the governorship and the government was extremely keen that he accept. Unfortunately, a personal and poignant problem prevented him from responding positively. It would be improper to go into further details but what I can confirm is that he requested the government not to be considered even though this meant a post he would have regarded as the culmination of his career had to be gracefully declined.

However, what I can add is that the government tried its best to find ways of enabling Mr Mohan to accept. Sadly, that wasn’t possible. So, once again, criticism that Mr Mohan was overlooked is both mistaken and unfair.


I’ve recounted these facts both because they reveal the government in a very different light to what many have so far assumed and because I was one of the many critics of its handling of Messrs Rajan and Mohan.

Today I’ve lightened my conscience by sharing these details. However, there’s a lot that this government has done and said that I remain critical of. There’s no U-turn in my overall attitude. But fairness requires I give the government its due. In these two instances its critics and opponents were wrong. I’m making no comment about anything else.

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