Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby souravB » 04 Sep 2018 06:39

I am not a firm believer in the repayment in monetary terms of British Raj. Actually it gives them the moral high ground in the thinking that they are doing some good. But in reality the money they spend as aid is used to buy influencers and soft image where none should exist.
We should get out of this school of thought where Britain should pay us money because they looted us for 200 years. In reality what they looted was not wealth but lives and our pride.
It can only be paid by a simple admission from Queen that the stone on her crown has been taken from India while people were dying of hunger there.

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Postby Philip » 04 Sep 2018 08:11

No chance of that.Independence agreements put paid to that thought.Even some Brit. shipwrecks in our waters which carried huge quantities of bullion during WW2 and were lost at sea are off limits! The Brits have been quietly salvaging their wrecks over time recovering their booty.

British Council support is not aid to India.It's British support to their establishments abroad promoting their interests just like the Alliance Francaise and Max Muller/ Goethe institutes of the Germans.The Yanquis have their own American Centres.The Soviets used to have a v.good cultural dept. in by-gone years, but after the demise of the SU, aren't as active as they used to be.RT is the new std. bearer of Russia's viewpoint today.The BCs however are very well run, have excellent library facilities and bring
some well-known authors, historians, etc. to our shores.

British aid to their chosen recipients however are deliberately targeted and NGOs drool over the largesse from firang shores which keeps their leadership in the gravy.This is what the GOI rightly objects too.Firang funding of NGOs turns them into stool pigeons for firang interests.

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Postby Singha » 04 Sep 2018 09:00

most of such 'aid' is subsidy to their own industries and NGOs who disburse this aid and supply the materials. it also pays for the 'hardship posting' of some NGO gora into india to oversee the aid, attend diplomatic dos and act as a front for their govt interests.

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Postby Mort Walker » 04 Sep 2018 09:24

souravB wrote:I am not a firm believer in the repayment in monetary terms of British Raj. Actually it gives them the moral high ground in the thinking that they are doing some good. But in reality the money they spend as aid is used to buy influencers and soft image where none should exist.
We should get out of this school of thought where Britain should pay us money because they looted us for 200 years. In reality what they looted was not wealth but lives and our pride.
It can only be paid by a simple admission from Queen that the stone on her crown has been taken from India while people were dying of hunger there.


Not so fast. What we can look at and what is well documented even by British records is the financial support India provided during WWI and WWII. So, for argument sake, let's just say WWI is now over 100 years ago and history, but WWII is still within the period of many Indians who were alive then and now in their mid 80s and suffered for it. Much like the survivors of the German concentration camps. From 1939 to 1945, India provided 1 million pound sterling directly into the exchequer of Britain every day for 6 years. This is £2.19 billion. It has been 73 years since and £1 in 1945 is now worth £43 today. I would say that the UK now provide reparations to every Indian who is alive today born before 1945 and to their immediate children.

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Postby arun » 04 Sep 2018 10:17

X Posted from the Islamism thread.

A case of set a Pakistani to catch a Pakistani :?:

Home Secretary of the Islamic Emirate of England, held Scotland, Wales and English Administered Ireland, Sajid Javid, who originates from the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan apparently has been forced to order an investigation of the gangs made up of his Muslim Co-religionists who like him originate in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan and are involved in a series of acts of paedophile grooming and raping of Non-Mohammadden children in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford, Newcastle and Telford,

Note the explicit mention of “Pakistani Background” in Sajid Javid’s statement and no mention of the Burka of “Asian” :evil: which is repeatedly trotted out whenever a gang of paedophile Pakistani origin Muslims are exposed.

Let us hope that this is not an exercise of Mohammadden Islamic style taqiyyah by Sajid Javid with the rest of the UK’s Government going along Dhimmi-like to protect political correctness gone mad:

Home Secretary Sajid Javid launches inquiry into sex abuse by 'disproportionately Pakistani' gangs

Meanwhile going by a separate article in Russia Today it appears that the fix is in with Sajid Javid going silent about the Islamic elephant in the room, namely the role of an upbringing under the influence of Mohammadden belief, being buried under the rubric of “cultural factors”. So do not be surprised that no conclusive “evidence” will be found to show that “that there are cultural factors that may be driving this type of offending”.

Grooming gangs: ‘Cultural drivers’ to be probed in new inquiry, says Sajid Javid:

“Keeping our children safe will be my mission as home secretary. I have already been clear that I will ask difficult questions about the gangs who sexually abuse our children. There will be no no-go areas of inquiry. I will not let cultural or political sensitivities get in the way of understanding the problem and doing something about it.

“We know that in these recent high-profile cases, where people have been convicted, that those people are disproportionately from a Pakistani background. I have instructed my officials to explore the particular context and characteristics of these types of gangs and if the evidence suggests that there are cultural factors that may be driving this type of offending, then I will take action.”

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 04 Sep 2018 14:19

Mort Walker wrote:
souravB wrote:I am not a firm believer in the repayment in monetary terms of British Raj. Actually it gives them the moral high ground in the thinking that they are doing some good. But in reality the money they spend as aid is used to buy influencers and soft image where none should exist.
We should get out of this school of thought where Britain should pay us money because they looted us for 200 years. In reality what they looted was not wealth but lives and our pride.
It can only be paid by a simple admission from Queen that the stone on her crown has been taken from India while people were dying of hunger there.


Not so fast. What we can look at and what is well documented even by British records is the financial support India provided during WWI and WWII. So, for argument sake, let's just say WWI is now over 100 years ago and history, but WWII is still within the period of many Indians who were alive then and now in their mid 80s and suffered for it. Much like the survivors of the German concentration camps. From 1939 to 1945, India provided 1 million pound sterling directly into the exchequer of Britain every day for 6 years. This is £2.19 billion. It has been 73 years since and £1 in 1945 is now worth £43 today. I would say that the UK now provide reparations to every Indian who is alive today born before 1945 and to their immediate children.


I would recommend Srinath Raghavan's "India's War: WW 2 and the Making of Modern South Asia". Extremely detailed analysis of India as a strategic power, Indian politics, Economy, Social change and manufacturing. The aftermath, Sterling Debt and the convertibility of the same"

By the war's end, the Indian Army had become the largest volunteer force in the conflict, consisting of 2.5 million men, while many millions more had offered their industrial, agricultural, and military labor. It was clear that India would never be same-the only question was: would the war effort push the country toward or away from independence?


From a review on Financial Times- Please read the part on Sterling debt and the feared pound devaluation.

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Postby souravB » 04 Sep 2018 15:01

Mort Walker wrote:Not so fast. What we can look at and what is well documented even by British records is the financial support India provided during WWI and WWII. So, for argument sake, let's just say WWI is now over 100 years ago and history, but WWII is still within the period of many Indians who were alive then and now in their mid 80s and suffered for it. Much like the survivors of the German concentration camps. From 1939 to 1945, India provided 1 million pound sterling directly into the exchequer of Britain every day for 6 years. This is £2.19 billion. It has been 73 years since and £1 in 1945 is now worth £43 today. I would say that the UK now provide reparations to every Indian who is alive today born before 1945 and to their immediate children.

even if UK gives us £200 billion pound that is not going to bring back the 2.2 million lives lost in the WW2 and estimated more than 3 million due to induced famines during WW2. Not to mention millions during the partition.
We are now in a position where we can say we do not need your aid, but your recognition for the horrific acts you have committed. My personal opinion is take the money that is owed to us and build some useful things in Africa and former unfortunate commonwealth colonies.

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Postby arshyam » 05 Sep 2018 21:58

^^ The Africans should speak for themselves. Let's not invent and assume a brown man's burden here, we'll be no different from the colonials then.

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Postby Rahul M » 06 Sep 2018 08:22

but it will bring back some of the enormous loot they stole from us. simple case of recovery of stolen property. we can then decide whether we help Indians, Africans or Martians.

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Postby Singha » 06 Sep 2018 09:06

just like the euros gang together for colonial plunder and hyuman rights, we too should find fellow travellers for mass effect. egypt has been successful in getting several looted treasures back, so has greece....our efforts and track record seems like zero.

chinese billionaires are getting into the act now ... thats raw shadow power with wink by the state.

british museums have so many looted treasure from india, many are kept in basement lest people come to claim it

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society ... ina-france
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... treasures/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn ... facts.html

The British Museum is to be asked to open up its archives to allow teams of Chinese investigators to document "lost" Imperial treasures which China claims were taken from Beijing's Old Summer Palace when it was burned and looted by British troops almost 150 years ago.

The teams will form part of an international mission to demand the inspection of 1.5 million artefacts mostly held by museums in Britain and France.

China has moved to reassure countries that the intention of the scheme is to merely document archives, however it will raise fears that Britain could be asked to return some treasures.

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problem with indians is we are overintellectual, oversmart and nitpicky with each other and cannot form a cohesive hunting party for any issue - we are all talk and no bite. china talks but also bites very hard. the results are for all to review above links.

most of our billionaire elites maintain some status and residences in usa or uk, along with both white and dark assets. with such a sold out elite class no wonder london will politely fart in our direction even if GOI dares to speak up. Opeds in indian newspapers will criticise the condition of our museums and praise what a good home the treasures have in london.

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Postby ashish raval » 06 Sep 2018 11:29

problem with indians is we are overintellectual, oversmart and nitpicky with each other and cannot form a cohesive hunting party for any issue - we are all talk and no bite. china talks but also bites very hard. the results are for all to review above links.


This is because vegetarian terrain dwelling, farming Indian population has evolved differently as species compared to pack of hunters elsewhere in the rest of the world. This is why they find it impossible to form a pack and put forward a cohesive attack except in war when survival is at stake.

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Postby disha » 06 Sep 2018 11:57

Singha wrote:problem with indians is we are overintellectual, oversmart and nitpicky with each other and cannot form a cohesive hunting party for any issue - we are all talk and no bite. china talks but also bites very hard. the results are for all to review above links.


Problem with Indians is that we are sickular, beholden to west and predominantly anti-Hindu. Anything Hindu related is subaltern and anything coming out of Oxbridge is gospel.

T. B. Macaulay succeeded completely.

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Postby Suraj » 06 Sep 2018 20:36

Maybe people don't get the irony in the last three posts, but here it is - you're doing exactly what Singha argued, coming up with various fancy arguments for "why Indians suck". Come on people, knock it off. Focus on the thread and any solutions, not basically do exactly what Singha said - resort to over-intellectual fancypants explanations.

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Postby disha » 07 Sep 2018 00:22

I think you & Singha'ji missed the point by a mile and irony in your own posts as well too.

To bring in Chinese "talk and bite" and chiding Indians to unable to do the same -

problem with indians is we are overintellectual, oversmart and nitpicky with each other and cannot form a cohesive hunting party for any issue


What is missed and has to be clearly called out, a subtle othering has already happened. In nutshell,

Chinese -> Cohesive TFTA -> talk and do Direct Action Decision
Indians -> Brahmanical SDREs -> talk, more talk, oversmart talk, nitpicky talk and no action.

And then chide the Indians on a similar vein, "hey look over there at the Chinese - they are forming cohesive hunting party for their history and look at you nitpicky oversmart Indians"... Ah the irony of it!

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What are Indian roots? To cite an example of APJ Kalam or Verghese Kurien or Tribhuvandas Patel or Vikram Sarabhai itself is sufficient.

As one goes deeper into their Indian roots, they will discover pride, ownership and hence the means to form a cohesive effort to bring back the history from fUK and other places. And plant it back here after creating a fertile ground to sustain it.

Solutions have already emerged, more stolen articles have been brought back in last 3 years than in previous 10 years before it. https://theprint.in/report/under-pm-modi-india-got-back-more-stolen-antiquities-in-3-years-than-the-upa-government-in-10-years/1907/

Of course more needs to be done. But comparing SDRE indians with TFTA chinese is not going to help. What will help is to contribute more towards grassroots organizations like India Pride Project [url]https://www.facebook.com/IndiaPrideProj/?hc_ref=ARTzZPk4tFGYV9IEw_DgVkKr8vz2sKKN9lFPmCrLXUn1uC0MqxG97WoAd2Io0f8lO6Q&__xts__[0]=68.ARDzaKKwN1vf4MD_HN8SBQHyikmle2-tlv2H_7gvtyqSeRrYUwxE3CcVVW8xZaf0ODniv3A2_GjbJfJe79nOb51AkI_kJNrKE95jyqIdmxeDd-K6jfdgwUIFf-YM1NTAA94narxem4fDuAnM0Ivo2U3SuL6Xl1-KwbYF0CXFv4Q8pTEUNtW1DA&__tn__=kC-R[/url]

Yeah, the nitpicky Indians have already brought back antiquities and further documenting its theft ->
Ms Donna Yates, a lecturer on antiquities trafficking at the University of Glasgow, believes "the grassroots work of the IPP in documenting cases of theft and bringing them to public attention is crucial - and unmatched anywhere in the world."

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Postby Suraj » 07 Sep 2018 00:59

disha wrote:I think you & Singha'ji missed the point by a mile and irony in your own posts as well too.

To bring in Chinese "talk and bite" and chiding Indians to unable to do the same -

Your and ashish's posts have nothing to do with being 'unable to do as the Chinese do'. Random sidebars about Macaulay and farming populations are just noise. Please stay on topic instead of discussing Indian roots etc here.

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Postby ricky_v » 10 Sep 2018 18:31

https://www.republicworld.com/sports-news/cricket-news/virat-kohli-joe-root-commemorate-indias-world-war-1-soldiers-by-wearing-unique-khadi-poppy
Virat Kohli and Joe Root were spotted wearing a unique poppy made out of khadi cloth during the fifth Test match at Oval. In a heart-warming gesture, the skippers of both teams united to recognize the efforts of the Indian soldiers during the First World War.

The match held major significance as it was a re-enactment of the WW1 match that was played between the Royal Manchester Regiment and the Sikh Regiment. Interestingly, the players used old-fashioned wooden bats and the outfits of both teams were made out of Khadi, which is closely associated with Mahatma Gandhi and is an important symbol of India's freedom struggle.


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Postby Singha » 16 Sep 2018 10:35

the countdown has started for isro to launch 2 british satellites today :)
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/countdo ... topstories

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Postby Suraj » 18 Sep 2018 01:20

I'm SHOCKED that they haven't fallen over each other as yet to bitterly moan about how the bleddy darkies are using THEIR aid to build rackits and then charge THEM money to send their satellites to espace.

But then it's dinner time there and they should be out in force soon.

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Postby disha » 18 Sep 2018 01:52

They have shoved the darkies under the rug and are talking about how Novasar was lifted off from spaceport as if they own it.

Lift-off from the Satish Dhawan spaceport occurred at 17:38 BST.


In 2020, they are expecting Scotland to have a launch site (funded by Lockheed Martin) to launch made-in-NZ SSLV like Electron (250 Kg to 500 Km SSO).

When that happens, the darkies will be in awe of the new space power called (former UK) fUK of this century, some 70 years after (former UK) fUK got independence from the darkies.

Meanwhile they ponder, is India ready to send someone to space? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-45243908

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Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Peregrine » 18 Sep 2018 02:15

Suraj wrote:I'm SHOCKED that they haven't fallen over each other as yet to bitterly moan about how the bleddy darkies are using THEIR aid to build rackits and then charge THEM money to send their satellites to espace.

But then it's dinner time there and they should be out in force soon.
Suraj Ji :

UK-made Earth observation satellites successfully launched from India - Stuart Nathan

NovaSAR-1 and S1-4 satellites lift off from Satish Dhawan Space Centre, and will perform a variety of commercial tasks.

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S1-4 and NovaSAR-1 will provide imaging data for a variety of customers.

The two satellites were launched by the commercial arm of the Indian Space Research organisation on board a PSLV (polar satellite launch vehicle) rocket on 16th September, 2018, and contact was made with both satellites in orbit the same day.

NovaSAR-1 is the first synthetic aperture radar (SAR) spacecraft to be built entirely in the UK and is the first of its type to occupy an orbit which crosses the equator at 1030 local time, which improves the diversity of radar operation times. Capable of seeing through clouds and imaging the Earth both night and day, SAR is an increasingly popular technology for commercial Earth observation. It is often used for tracking ocean-going vessels, and this will be an important application for NovaSAR-1, which has been designed with a specific maritime mode of operation monitoring a swath of the Earth’s surface 400km wide. Other operational modes include 20km-wide swath with 6m resolution, a 100km-wide swath with 20m resolution and a 150km-wide swath with 30m resolution.

The satellite’s SAR payload was developed by Airbus Defence and Space in Portsmouth with an automatic identification receiver component – which is used to help avoid ship collisions – supplied by Honeywell Aerospace. Designed and manufactured by Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd (SSTL), its SAR technology is designed to be lower cost than other units. According to SSTL executive chairman Sir Martin Sweeting, the mission “achieves our long-held ambition to deliver low cost SAR remote sensing capabilities and services to our global customers and enhances our Earth observation capabilities with a sub one metre optical mission.”

The UK Space Agency’s investment in NovaSAR-1 totals £2.1m, and its access to the spacecraft will ‘significantly boost the UK’s sovereign Earth observation capabilities,’ SSTL stated. This will also have the benefit of ‘leveraging additional inward investment UK by creating highly skilled jobs in UK space industry, and stimulating the growth of data analysis services,’ it added. Among the mission partners is the Australian national science agency CSIRO.

“It’s a great example of how we are working with the space sector through our modern Industrial Strategy, ensuring we remain at the forefront of pioneering science and xploration,” said science Minister Sam Gyimah,

https://youtu.be/ywRA-2OXtTI


The other satellite on board launcher, SSTL S1-4, also made by SSTL, is a visual imaging system capable of viewing the Earth’s surface in several different wavelengths, ranging from 450nm up to the near-IR range of 760 to 910nm. It is identical in design to three satellites launched in July 2015 which work together as a constellation known as Triplesat. It will provide sub-1m resolution image data which will supplement the information gathered by Triplesat, for the owner of the constellation, Chinese company 21st-Century Aerospace Technology. Capable of observing multiple subjects in a single pass, is expected to be used for urban planning, agricultural monitoring, land classification, natural resource management and disaster monitoring. It will observe a swath about 24km wide. Both satellites are designed to have lifetimes around seven years.

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Postby g.sarkar » 18 Sep 2018 03:29

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... llite.html
First all-British satellite designed to tackle illegal shipping and logging by taking photographs through clouds is launched into orbit
".....was launched into space aboard a rocket from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre in India at 17:38pm BST (12:38 ET) yesterday."
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Just half a sentence about the fact that the rocket was Indian. It does not say anything about the involvement of Airbus in this either. The comments are interesting as usual.
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Postby Suraj » 18 Sep 2018 05:15

Thanks, folks! I guess it would have looked much too stupid to complain about the folks who sent their sats up. I guess in awkward situations like these, the solution is to pretend we don't exist in the whole matter.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 18 Sep 2018 10:18

g.sarkar wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6173727/Blast-rocket-British-radar-satellite.html
First all-British satellite designed to tackle illegal shipping and logging by taking photographs through clouds is launched into orbit
".....was launched into space aboard a rocket from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre in India at 17:38pm BST (12:38 ET) yesterday."
....
Just half a sentence about the fact that the rocket was Indian. It does not say anything about the involvement of Airbus in this either. The comments are interesting as usual.
Gautam

missed the comments on aid, toilets..those were the days... :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Postby Mort Walker » 18 Sep 2018 10:25

ISRO should disable it until Nirav Modi is returned.

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Postby Neela » 18 Sep 2018 10:56

Came here to see comments and was not disappointed :D

Dailymail is clever with its headline. The "word" India in its headline would have brought out the scum.



Some time back, when a desi-origin boy won some smart kid TV competition , the comments on twitter UK were mainly on how this kid will die a virgin & how the father must have forced the kid into studying and not enjoying his youth. Depraved lot I tell you this bunch.

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Postby Kashi » 18 Sep 2018 12:48

When it comes to India and Indian issues, DailyMail "comments" are no different from those in the Guardian, the Independent, BBC or for that matter Nytimes and WaPo.

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Postby habal » 18 Sep 2018 12:49

the problem with indians is we are overintellectual, oversmart and nitpicky with each other and cannot form a cohesive hunting party for any issue - we are all talk and no bite. china talks but also bites very hard. the results are for all to review above links.


signs of a lack of self confidence and self esteem. Aggression should be turned outwards. A leader is a catalyst for this kind of reprogramming.Else we will remain forever a nation content on squabbling amongst each other and achieving pyhrric victories.

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Postby g.sarkar » 18 Sep 2018 12:55

[quote="ArjunPandit" missed the comments on aid, toilets..those were the days... :rotfl: :rotfl:[/quote]
You too? I usually go to this paper for the comments on the status of India and try to estimate the itch on the gora private parts. But then I am like that onlee.
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Postby habal » 18 Sep 2018 13:02

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/uk-may ... 849312.cms

I think this may be a result of mixed 'blow hot blow cold' signals from India. What if we give them an ultimatum that all diplomatic relations between both countries will be halted and give a deadline. Let them then huff & puff and act all macho trying to cobble a response. They can ill afford a downturn in relations with India post brexit.

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Postby chola » 18 Sep 2018 13:51

habal wrote:
the problem with indians is we are overintellectual, oversmart and nitpicky with each other and cannot form a cohesive hunting party for any issue - we are all talk and no bite. china talks but also bites very hard. the results are for all to review above links.


signs of a lack of self confidence and self esteem. Aggression should be turned outwards. A leader is a catalyst for this kind of reprogramming.Else we will remain forever a nation content on squabbling amongst each other and achieving pyhrric victories.


Please. What outward aggression is even possible were chinis not around and not assaulting the bastion of the white man?

For decades we were perfectly content to accept gora domination of the world order. Hey they are goras and we are short, dark and rice-eating so the world is as it should be.

Then the chinis began their storming of the pyramid and we went “Holy crap! They are short, they eat rice at every meal. They are one billion piss-poor peasants just like us. Who the hell they think they are!”

And we got off our arse.

I am a firm believer that we need to compare ourselves more with the chinis just like the chinis compare themselves with the Japanese and Koreans to light a fire under their arses.

We need the yellows to break our “yes sahib, no sahib”” mindset when dealing with the whites.

And they are literally retrieving their past, one invaluable piece at a time.

I’m not going to lie. I have great admiration for them in this thing in particular. They are stealing back treasures looted from them by the West and pointedly leaving behind invaluable pieces not of their own. I find that poignant, exemplary and honorable.

And I wish we could do the same. Really.

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/chinese-art-being-stolen-around-the-world-1334294/amp-page

https://www.gq.com/story/the-great-chinese-art-heist
Strange how it keeps happening, how the greatest works of Chinese art keep getting brazenly stolen from museums around the world. Is it a conspiracy? Vengeance for treasures plundered years ago? We sent Alex W. Palmer to investigate the trail of theft and the stunning rumor: Is the Chinese government behind one of the boldest art-crime waves in history?

The patterns of the heists were evident only later, but their audacity was clear from the start. The spree began in Stockholm in 2010, with cars burning in the streets on a foggy summer evening. The fires had been lit as a distraction, a ploy to lure the attention of the police. As the vehicles blazed, a band of thieves raced toward the Swedish royal residence and smashed their way into the Chinese Pavilion on the grounds of Drottningholm Palace.

There they grabbed what they wanted from the permanent state collection of art and antiquities. Police told the press the thieves had fled by moped to a nearby lake, ditched their bikes into the water, and escaped by speedboat. The heist took less than six minutes.

A month later, in Bergen, Norway, intruders descended from a glass ceiling and plucked 56 objects from the China Collection at the KODE Museum. Next, robbers in England hit the Oriental Museum at Durham University, followed by a museum at Cambridge University. Then, in 2013, the KODE was visited once more; crooks snatched 22 additional relics that had been missed during the first break-in.

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With more than 1,500 rooms, the palace is a maze of opulence. But when bandits arrived before dawn on March 1, 2015, their target was unmistakable: the palace's grand Chinese Museum. Created by the last empress of France, the wife of Napoleon III, the gallery was stocked with works so rare that their value was considered incalculable.

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But the thefts that were made public bear striking similarities. The criminals are careful and professional. They often seem to be working from a shopping list—and appear content to leave behind high-value objects that aren't on it.

In each case, the robbers focused their efforts on art and antiquities from China, especially items that had been looted by foreign armies. Many of these objects are well documented and publicly known, making them very hard to sell and difficult to display. In most cases the pieces have not been recovered; they seem to simply vanish.


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Postby ArjunPandit » 18 Sep 2018 14:00

g.sarkar wrote:[quote="ArjunPandit" missed the comments on aid, toilets..those were the days... :rotfl: :rotfl:

You too? I usually go to this paper for the comments on the status of India and try to estimate the itch on the gora private parts. But then I am like that onlee.
Gautam[/quote]
in this, we all are like that only. With me first it went through stages of rage (accompanied by flaming/abuses to these guys)-> disgust -> now a laugh over these guys.
While these guys have remained broadly static, we have progressed. Not to flame bait, but Ashish raval may have an entirely different viewpoint

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Postby ArjunPandit » 18 Sep 2018 14:08

^^chola may not be suitable for this thread, but the same gora serving nation managed to go against the supapowas of times and create a new nation. This has been debated umpteen times that we are inherently risk averse and would get the same thing done by just being more polite rather than confrontational. In contrast with a nation that does not believe in losing a face

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Postby chola » 18 Sep 2018 15:03

ArjunPandit wrote:^^chola may not be suitable for this thread, but the same gora serving nation managed to go against the supapowas of times and create a new nation. This has been debated umpteen times that we are inherently risk averse and would get the same thing done by just being more polite rather than confrontational. In contrast with a nation that does not believe in losing a face


Eh, the face thing is just a meaningless stereotype we have of the chinis that doesn’t help us at all in understanding their tactics.

People in business know just how little value chinis put on “face.” How much face can you have when you plead poverty at the WTO and every other trade and financial body to game the same advantages as Zimbabwe or Papua New Guinea? Even giant chini MNCs plead third-world to American SMEs for tech transfers. You don’t think it is a complete loss of face when you are called out for blatantly copying things and no amount of shaming will make you stop?

Face is a honor related thing in the Far East that helps Japanese, Koreans and Taiwanese do business on a handshake. It is a major loss of face to plead for transfers without compensation or outright steal design and IP — both things that chinis are unabashed about doing because they see it as their divine right as the poorer party. They have the same entitled shameless attitude as American welfare queens.

Nope, chinis put profit and advantage over face. It is bloody pragmatism over all else that makes them so formidable.

If they are stealing their treasures back then it has nothing to do with face but their calculations that the goras won’t easily give those things back to them.

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Postby Neela » 20 Sep 2018 10:32

Mallya vs Christian Michel ?

We will need Christian Michel until May 2019.

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Regarding the Paki grooming gangs the blame lies squarely on the Breeteesh. They have imported huge numbers of Pakis in the last 20 years for God knows why. Instead they are giving a lot of trouble to Indian immigrants. As a percentage Pakis have the highest immigration rates among major immigrant groups and much higher than Indians. So Pakis are paying them back with some love.

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Postby ashish raval » 21 Sep 2018 04:35

Supratik wrote:Regarding the Paki grooming gangs the blame lies squarely on the Breeteesh. They have imported huge numbers of Pakis in the last 20 years for God knows why. Instead they are giving a lot of trouble to Indian immigrants. As a percentage Pakis have the highest immigration rates among major immigrant groups and much higher than Indians. So Pakis are paying them back with some love.

True. British wrongly assumed that Indian and Pakis come from same gene pool so they will have fun keeping these two guys in check by propping and letting them mess around each other. The reality is Indians did not give a cr@p about who, what, where pukes went and did and worked their backside off to create their distinct identity by excelling in academics and trades and creating industries here. While pukes took shortcut of breeding and driving taxis and buses in general without necessarily making their brain do any exercise. This also inadvertently meant that they produced sex predators and are being generally berated upon and atleast in London where I live, there is a clear dehyphenation in corporate world between how Indians are perceived Vs useless shortcut seeking pukes. Angrej knows that they have messed it up and have themselves to blame.

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Postby chetak » 21 Sep 2018 14:18

ashish raval wrote:
Supratik wrote:Regarding the Paki grooming gangs the blame lies squarely on the Breeteesh. They have imported huge numbers of Pakis in the last 20 years for God knows why. Instead they are giving a lot of trouble to Indian immigrants. As a percentage Pakis have the highest immigration rates among major immigrant groups and much higher than Indians. So Pakis are paying them back with some love.

True. British wrongly assumed that Indian and Pakis come from same gene pool so they will have fun keeping these two guys in check by propping and letting them mess around each other. The reality is Indians did not give a cr@p about who, what, where pukes went and did and worked their backside off to create their distinct identity by excelling in academics and trades and creating industries here. While pukes took shortcut of breeding and driving taxis and buses in general without necessarily making their brain do any exercise. This also inadvertently meant that they produced sex predators and are being generally berated upon and atleast in London where I live, there is a clear dehyphenation in corporate world between how Indians are perceived Vs useless shortcut seeking pukes. Angrej knows that they have messed it up and have themselves to blame.


Surely, even in their wildest nightmares, the insular brits never imagined that the ummah colonials would follow them back to londonistan and gum up the works.

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Postby krisna » 22 Sep 2018 21:03

Gautam[/quote]
missed the comments on aid, toilets..those were the days... :rotfl: :rotfl:[/quote]

True because now there is no reason to talk about it. It is worldwide that India has made spectacular progress in toilet and sanitation and dented poverty in the last 4 years.
from around 35% in pre 2014 to nearly 90% and ongoing efforts to make it 100% in the coming months.

WHO has said that the efforts will pay off in the future year after year with reducing the number of infections, good improvements in child and maternal mortality etc . Also India has overtaken UK and will continue to do pull away from brits in coming years.

Now India is officially not the largest country with poverty or with no sanitation :rotfl: :rotfl:

Hence love the faces of these scums as they search for what India is still bad. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Postby krisna » 22 Sep 2018 21:10

people talk of monetary terms when talking about british colonistaion and its impact.
even shashi tharoor talks about 1 dollar/pound payment .
this looks incredulous and stupid.

This will whitewash the crimes done by brits. if someone talks about it- brits will say we paid 1 pound as demanded by you. Also they may not do it for reasons of being proud etc and superiority concept etc. not ready to accept the blame.

would rather have some tangible benefits and doable ones.
establish Indian war memorials recognise Indian contributions in science military etc.
and many more.

This is possible because of precedents for the above. This only needs some push in uk parliament etc.


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only 40% or less brits know about brit atrocities against India(and other countries)-


many more Indians should write books on it like Shashi tharoor.
it should be taught in Indian schools and Indians in other countries wherever they are.


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