Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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Postby krisna » 22 Sep 2018 21:14

ashish raval wrote:True. British wrongly assumed that Indian and Pakis come from same gene pool so they will have fun keeping these two guys in check by propping and letting them mess around each other. The reality is Indians did not give a cr@p about who, what, where pukes went and did and worked their backside off to create their distinct identity by excelling in academics and trades and creating industries here. While pukes took shortcut of breeding and driving taxis and buses in general without necessarily making their brain do any exercise. This also inadvertently meant that they produced sex predators and are being generally berated upon and atleast in London where I live, there is a clear dehyphenation in corporate world between how Indians are perceived Vs useless shortcut seeking pukes. Angrej knows that they have messed it up and have themselves to blame.



actually isnt this true. Both pakistanis and Indians are of same gene pool. Only thing different is islamisation which created a different breed in paksitanis.wheras Indians remained Hindus(post partition) and rest is history.

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Postby krisna » 22 Sep 2018 21:18

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regarding caste developments in uk. christians ngos in concert with assorted leftists and muslim ngos working overtime to damage Hindus.

with India progressing economically and taking care of its ills due to colonisation hopefully, these scums will also be taken care of on its own thru progress.

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Postby disha » 22 Sep 2018 22:13

I am really missing the cartoons showing poor short dark rice eating yindoos supplicating before the gora masters and aspiring to launch rockets!

Very depressing. No cartoons from BBC or Guardian!

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Postby ArjunPandit » 22 Sep 2018 22:39

how about reliving the past posts of guardian and dailymail?

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Postby Suraj » 22 Sep 2018 22:40

krisna wrote:actually isnt this true. Both pakistanis and Indians are of same gene pool. Only thing different is islamisation which created a different breed in paksitanis.wheras Indians remained Hindus(post partition) and rest is history.

Don't make the mistake of being book accurate. When a bunch of poorly educated chronic blowhards finally see the light and 'see us as different races' in the only simplistic terms they can immediately grasp, one doesn't whip out their knowledge to correct them on precise terms, but just nods along.

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Postby krisna » 22 Sep 2018 22:51

Suraj wrote:
krisna wrote:actually isnt this true. Both pakistanis and Indians are of same gene pool. Only thing different is islamisation which created a different breed in paksitanis.wheras Indians remained Hindus(post partition) and rest is history.

Don't make the mistake of being book accurate. When a bunch of poorly educated chronic blowhards finally see the light and 'see us as different races' in the only simplistic terms they can immediately grasp, one doesn't whip out their knowledge to correct them on precise terms, but just nods along.



agree to disagree.

the chronic blowhards easily differentiate - if something bad haopens it is asian etc , if good happens it is pakistanis muslims etc. if bad hapens in India it is yindooss etc . If it is caste it isyindoos when reality is not so.

it is actually we are stupid to allow it nod along(some exceptions can be made). every Indian must be made to know the realities. Many non Indians are also fine but ignorant . They listen and are able to understand when explained. Again exceptions are always there like some non yindooze fanatics


Anyway it is my way of seeing things. :((

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Postby krisna » 23 Sep 2018 00:35

https://deccanchronicle.com/world/europ ... healt.html

A senior Indian-origin medic who heads Britain's leading doctors' union on Thursday called on the government-funded National Health Service to treat its black and minority ethnic doctors more fairly, alleging that there is an "unconscious racism" within the system.
Dr Chaand Nagpaul, chair of the British Medical Association (BMA), said despite making up a third of the National Health Service (NHS) workforce, the Black And Minority Ethnic (BAME) doctors were not proportionately represented at senior managerial levels of the UK's health service.


BAME doctors are more prone to bullying and being referred to the country's medical watchdog General Medical Council (GMC) over allegations of misconduct, he claimed.


"As well as a culture of fear and blame, the survey concluded that the BAME doctors remain disadvantaged by the NHS. Only half of ethnic minority doctors feel respected or culturally included in their place of work. They talked of experiencing unconscious racism in everything from job progression to training and patient interaction," the BMA said in a statement.

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Postby srin » 24 Sep 2018 23:06

In the meanwhile ...
Mauritius and Britain’s fight over the Chagos Islands shows the toxic legacy of colonialism
The International Court of Justice has just heard four days of arguments as it weighs the legality of a hugely contentious colonial act: the UK’s decision to separate the Chagos Archipelago from Mauritius prior to the latter’s independence in 1968. Mauritius has been pursuing this case for decades, and has made substantial progress in recent years. And by claiming that the UK breached that right during the decolonization process, it has forced important issues about self-determination up on the international agenda.

In his opening submission, Sir Anerood Jugnauth, Mauritius’s defence minister, alleged that his country was coerced into giving up the islands, resulting in “the unlawful detachment of an integral part of our territory on the eve of our independence”. A number of classified documents made public on Wikileaks were used as key evidence of the diplomatic pressure Britain exerted over the decision to separate the islands. “The choice we were faced with was no choice at all: it was independence with detachment [of the Chagos archipelago] or no independence with detachment anyway,” Jugnauth told the court.

we need to get the last colonies of the poodles and their masters out of IOR.

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Postby Peregrine » 25 Sep 2018 15:09

The International Court of Justice has just heard four days of arguments as it weighs the legality of a hugely contentious colonial act: the UK’s decision to separate the Chagos Archipelago from Mauritius prior to the latter’s independence in 1968. Mauritius has been pursuing this case for decades, and has made substantial progress in recent years. And by claiming that the UK breached that right during the decolonization process, it has forced important issues about self-determination up on the international agenda.
In his opening submission, Sir Anerood Jugnauth, Mauritius’s defence minister, alleged that his country was coerced into giving up the islands, resulting in “the unlawful detachment of an integral part of our territory on the eve of our independence”. A number of classified documents made public on Wikileaks were used as key evidence of the diplomatic pressure Britain exerted over the decision to separate the islands. “The choice we were faced with was no choice at all: it was independence with detachment [of the Chagos archipelago] or no independence with detachment anyway,” Jugnauth told the court.
we need to get the last colonies of the poodles and their masters out of IOR.

A "Question" to the wise :

The UK also Partitioned India - In this case where would India stand?

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Postby ArjunPandit » 25 Sep 2018 17:10

^^didn't you hear the argument of benign Brits that they did it to safeguard the interest of their Muslim subjects? Such nice people to leave a mess everywhere they left

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Postby Peregrine » 28 Sep 2018 02:50

Britain lends 'unconditional' support for India's bid for NSG membership - Sachin Parashar

NEW DELHI: The UK has reiterated unconditional support for India’s Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) membership bid saying India has done enough to merit an entry into the elite group responsible for international nuclear commerce.

After a dialogue between the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) and UK’s foreign & commonwealth office, diplomatic sources here said UK saw India as a key member and protector of the international rules-based order.

India is hoping for a renewed push for its NSG bid despite opposition from China, emboldened as it has been by the US emphasis on securing an early membership for India at the recent 2+2 dialogue. India’s elevation last month to the US’ tier-1 of licence exception for export of sensitive defence and high-end technologies was seen as a reaffirmation of US support to its bid.

"India has the right credentials for NSG membership and we believe it should be a member. Only the Chinese can explain what objections they have to India’s membership," said a diplomatic source after the meeting.

During the talks on proliferation and international security, India also raised the issue of proliferation linkages between and North Korea. However, while admitting that the AQ Khan network which facilitated those linkages was one of the worst events to have taken place, the UK said that there was no reason to worry about Pakistan’s current behaviour on the issue.

"The Khan network was a terrible thing to have happened, but at the moment, we don’t believe Pakistan is being difficult as far as international attempts to address the issue of North Korea nuclear programme issue are concerned," said the source.

While calling for dialogue and diplomacy to ensure stability in the Korean peninsula, India has repeatedly expressed hope that the resolution of the issue will take into account and address its concerns about "proliferation linkages extending to India’s neighbourhood."

The source said though that on both North Korea and Iran, the UK and India shared a “commonality of approach". In the talks, the UK expressed disappointment over India’s decision in June this year to vote against a UK-backed proposal for ‘Addressing the Threat from Chemical Weapons Use’.

"We were disappointed to see India among the 24 Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) member countries, along with , who voted against it but we hope India will review its position," said the source. 82 OPCW countries had voted in favour of the UK draft decision which allows the watchdog to fix blame for attacks using chemical substances. While explaining its vote though, India had reiterated its position that it was against the use of chemical weapons "anywhere, at any time, by anybody, under any circumstances."

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Postby ashish raval » 29 Sep 2018 11:30

chetak wrote:
ashish raval wrote:True. British wrongly assumed that Indian and Pakis come from same gene pool so they will have fun keeping these two guys in check by propping and letting them mess around each other. The reality is Indians did not give a cr@p about who, what, where pukes went and did and worked their backside off to create their distinct identity by excelling in academics and trades and creating industries here. While pukes took shortcut of breeding and driving taxis and buses in general without necessarily making their brain do any exercise. This also inadvertently meant that they produced sex predators and are being generally berated upon and atleast in London where I live, there is a clear dehyphenation in corporate world between how Indians are perceived Vs useless shortcut seeking pukes. Angrej knows that they have messed it up and have themselves to blame.


Surely, even in their wildest nightmares, the insular brits never imagined that the ummah colonials would follow them back to londonistan and gum up the works.


Absolutely.

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Postby ashish raval » 29 Sep 2018 11:37

krisna wrote:
ashish raval wrote:True. British wrongly assumed that Indian and Pakis come from same gene pool so they will have fun keeping these two guys in check by propping and letting them mess around each other. The reality is Indians did not give a cr@p about who, what, where pukes went and did and worked their backside off to create their distinct identity by excelling in academics and trades and creating industries here. While pukes took shortcut of breeding and driving taxis and buses in general without necessarily making their brain do any exercise. This also inadvertently meant that they produced sex predators and are being generally berated upon and atleast in London where I live, there is a clear dehyphenation in corporate world between how Indians are perceived Vs useless shortcut seeking pukes. Angrej knows that they have messed it up and have themselves to blame.



actually isnt this true. Both pakistanis and Indians are of same gene pool. Only thing different is islamisation which created a different breed in paksitanis.wheras Indians remained Hindus(post partition) and rest is history.



Says who? Point me to definitive studies please!! I had read somewhere that their gene pool has significant central Asian paternal halotype.

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Postby yensoy » 29 Sep 2018 12:25

ashish raval wrote:
krisna wrote:actually isnt this true. Both pakistanis and Indians are of same gene pool. Only thing different is islamisation which created a different breed in paksitanis.wheras Indians remained Hindus(post partition) and rest is history.


Says who? Point me to definitive studies please!! I had read somewhere that their gene pool has significant central Asian paternal halotype.


Yes Paki DNA is markedly different
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Indian DNA between North and South Indians is surprisingly more similar than Paki is different, at least to an uninformed observer like myself.

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Postby Kashi » 29 Sep 2018 13:29

Well there goes the Brahui == Dravidian theory.

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Postby ashish raval » 01 Oct 2018 04:05

Good find Yensoy

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Postby Rudradev » 17 Oct 2018 09:31

Yensoy, source please?

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Postby g.sarkar » 19 Oct 2018 05:18

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/17/br ... inning-it/
Britain Isn’t Just Losing Brexit. Europe Is Winning It.
Businesses are leaving the United Kingdom because of its economic uncertainty—and because Dublin, Paris, and Frankfurt are more attractive anyway.
BY STEPHEN PADUANO | OCTOBER 17, 2018.
Only a few days after Airbus announced it may be leaving Britain, the country’s top diplomat delivered one of his more undiplomatic remarks: “F##k business,” Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said. That was four months ago, in the heat of Brexit’s uncertain summer—a day before Amazon’s U.K. chief warned of “civil unrest,” two weeks before Johnson resigned in protest, and a month before the European Union rejected Prime Minister Theresa May’s preliminary proposal.
In the four months since, even as public opinion has grown more split and as prodding from hard-liners has continued, some of this uncertainty has gone away. Just last week, the EU’s top Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, declared a deal “within reach,” and it appears that 30 Labour Party members of Parliament will now throw their support behind May to pass some final proposal. Nevertheless, with the recent announcement that BlackRock and JPMorgan Chase will join Bank of America and Citigroup in redirecting thousands of employees to the continent, it is clear that the bleeding of business from Britain goes on.
The big question now seems to be whether the U.K. and the EU can agree to a “Canada model” arrangement, which would leave Britain beyond the continent’s single market but with limited free trade benefits, or whether they will agree to nothing at all—leaving the U.K. to crash out of the EU in a doomsday no-deal scenario. Either way, British-based employers are girding for a future without the ability to conduct frictionless business in the 30 countries that comprise the European Union and the European Economic Area.
Leading the exodus of jobs and cash are London’s many investment banks and asset management funds, such as those above, which are expected to send 10,000 jobs and billions of dollars in annual tax revenue overseas. Not far behind the financial services sector is the manufacturing sector, as one recent report shows a second consecutive month of staff cuts in factories across Britain. The technology industry, too, is feeling the pain of Brexit, as founders leave a United Kingdom that has lost its grip on foreign talent and capital. Perhaps the most disconcerting of all is the potential damage to the food services industry, whose farms and processing plants—largely of dairy, eggs, fish, and cereals—rely on a 40 percent EU-born workforce.
But Britain’s job losses are not just about Brexit. While the decision to leave the single market, resurrect tariffs with trade partners, and boot foreign workers has certainly left the U.K. a less desirable place to do business, much of the movement out of the U.K. has been a matter of pro-business reform and repositioning by EU competitors. The biggest winners of Brexit—Dublin, Frankfurt, and Paris—have proved to be at least as effective at pulling business in as the Brexiteers have been at pushing business out.
Ireland has been at it the longest. Since the 1990s, when business-friendly reforms gave birth to the Celtic Tiger and a decade of double-digit growth, Ireland has made offers foreign employers can’t refuse: low taxes, lax regulation, and access to the single market.
The corporate tax rate gets the most attention. At 12.5 percent—a little over a third of France’s 33.33 percent, less than half of Germany’s 30 percent, and still lower than Britain’s 20 percent—Ireland has become the most attractive tax haven in Europe. Coupled with its lax regulation, having dismissed controversial cases against Apple and Facebook, Ireland has become a desirable regulatory destination, too. And as Brexit’s formal departure date approaches, Ireland’s access to the single market has drawn in the British businesses that would suffer without it. This month, the Central Bank of Ireland announced that it had received more than 100 moving notices from London-based financial institutions. And one week later, to drive the point home, the central bank announced that this year’s projected GDP growth of 4.7 percent would actually be more on the order of 6.7 percent. It’s hard to capture the vibrancy of Dublin, where new passport applications, new people, and new pubs pop up daily. The Irish Times’s approach to understanding the phenomenon is perhaps the best. For the past two and a half years, the paper has kept count of the number of cranes that can be seen from its city-center office. Last month, it announced a record-breaking 93. In certain respects, Frankfurt can’t compete with Dublin. It doesn’t have the low tax rates, it doesn’t have the look-the-other-way regulation, and, most disadvantageously, it doesn’t have the English language. But what Germany does have—the largest economy in Europe, strong and steady economic growth, and a healthy and expanding manufacturing sector—has been enough to lure many British-based businesses. One recent report from Germany Trade & Invest, an economic think tank of the German government, showed a 21 percent jump in foreign direct investment in Germany from the U.K., with prominent firms such as Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, and Standard Chartered set to relocate thousands of jobs to Frankfurt, where they will establish their new European headquarters. Another economic think tank, Bruegel, projected the U.K. to lose 30,000 financial services jobs due to Brexit—and expects Frankfurt to be the top recipient.
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Postby g.sarkar » 05 Nov 2018 07:17

Slightly older article:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... 34143.html
Brexit Negotiations Watching a Country Make a Fool of Itself
No country in the world has cultivated arrogance the way Britain has. But the sad truth is: The former global power can't even find its way to the door without tripping over its feet.
Jan Fleischhauer, October 19, 2018.
In his book "We Germans," journalist Matthias Matussek writes about an evening spent at the German Embassy in London. The ambassador was hosting the writer Antonia S. Byatt as his guest of honor and Matussek was on hand to make a toast to the author. In response, she surprised him by asking what he thought of the idea of a European constitution. Matussek answered by saying it's probably not such a bad idea if the European community of nations agrees on a few foundational principles.
Lady Byatt then said: "You know, we British don't need a constitution. We are the oldest democracy in the world." She paused briefly before continuing: "For young countries like you Germans, constitutions could very well be useful." It would be almost impossible, writes Matussek, to overstate the haughtiness and contemptuousness that dripped from her voice. "Essentially, she was saying," he writes, "you are barbarians, you have only recently put down your cudgels. You need the leash."
Such are the British, and we love them for it. They are never short of an answer and constantly ready to put someone in their place. The problem, though, is that if you act like you are the center of the world, you should actually be the center, or something close to it. As things currently stand, though, the British soon won't even be within shouting distance of the center of Europe.
The United Kingdom is currently demonstrating how a country can make a fool of itself before the eyes of the entire world. What was once the most powerful empire on earth is now a country that can't even find its way to the door without tripping over its own feet.
It has now been 28 months since the British voted to pull out of the European Union. Unfortunately, they haven't taken a single step further since then.
Nothing But Sympathy
When Theresa May shows up in Brussels with yet another Brexit-related proposal, you can be sure that just one day later, it will no longer be worth the paper it is printed on. She either presents ideas that Brussels has long since rejected or her plans have already been chucked in the round file by her own party. Or Boris Johnson has torn her apart in his column in the Telegraph. Until recently, I felt nothing but sympathy when I would see the British prime minister wander in front of the camera at EU summits, with her crooked smile and kooky offers. Lately, though, I have been catching myself thinking: "Go with God. But go!"
No deal is better than a bad deal? If the British are convinced of that, then it must be true. A hard Brexit would also cost us a fair bit, there is no question. But it is nothing compared to what is awaiting the British. There has been no shortage of articles about what the golden future will look like that London has promised British citizens. First, the trucks will back up all the way to Wales because the borders are back. Then the petrol stations will run out of petrol and there will be a scarcity of drugs in the hospitals. Meanwhile, once all the Polish plumbers have gone back home, there will nobody to call when the toilet clogs up.
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Postby V_Raman » 05 Nov 2018 07:26

Rudradev wrote:Yensoy, source please?


found below links when I did an image search in google

https://www.reddit.com/r/pakistan/comme ... _pakistan/

from that to below

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/ ... 20215-g002

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Postby chetak » 05 Nov 2018 09:27

This is penis envy by a bitter third rate ex empire where the sun will never rise, ever again.

The title itself is not only misleading but is seen as an attempt to downplay the achievement of India, once Britain's colony which it lived off, so pompously for over 200 years when it suited their moral conscience



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That's rich! We gave £1billion aid to India as they built £330million statue





That's rich! We gave £1billion aid to India as they built £330million statue

Britain gave more than £1billion to India as it was built the world's tallest statue
The Statue of Unity is almost twice the height of the Statue of Liberty in the US
The 597ft giant bronze monument has been condemned as a vanity project


By SAM GREENHILL CHIEF REPORTER FOR THE DAILY MAIL
3 November 2018


Britain donated more than £1billion to India in the years when it was lavishing a fortune on building the world’s tallest statue, figures show.

The colossal bronze memorial – almost twice the height of the Statue of Liberty in New York – was immediately condemned as an expensive vanity project when it was unveiled on Wednesday.

In the 56 months it took to construct the £330million Statue of Unity, UK taxpayers gave India £1.17billion in foreign aid, according to official figures.

India’s prime minister Narendra Modi attended the statue’s opening ceremony amid great fanfare. It stands on a bend of the Narmada river in Gujarat, Mr Modi’s home state.

He was chief minister of Gujarat when the vast statue was commissioned.

The engineering project started in 2012, when British taxpayers donated almost £300million to India.
In 2013 a further £268million was given, in 2014 the figure was £278million and in 2015 it was £185million, followed by smaller amounts after that.

As the cash rolled in from Britain, the Indian authorities poured billions of rupees into building the 597ft tall bronze likeness of Sardar Patel, one of the heroes of India’s independence movement.

Last night Tory MP Peter Bone said: ‘To take £1.1billion in aid from us and then at the same time spend £330million on a statue is a total nonsense and it is the sort of thing that drives people mad.


‘What it proves is that we should not be giving money to India. It is up to them how they spend their money but if they can afford this statue, then it is clearly a country we should not need to be giving aid to.’

The British aid money was spent on projects ranging from improving women’s rights to funding solar panels and investment in low-carbon transport. Some £14,000 of the cash was spent in Gujarat in 2014, when the statue’s foundations were being laid, to ‘increase religious tolerance among young people’.

The colossal bronze memorial ¿ almost twice the height of the Statue of Liberty in New York ¿ was immediately condemned as an expensive vanity project when it was unveiled

India¿s prime minister Narendra Modi (pictured) attended the statue¿s opening ceremony amid great fanfare. It stands on a bend of the Narmada river in Gujarat, Mr Modi¿s home state


India is the world’s fastest-growing economy, has sent a mission to Mars, boasts more billionaires than the UK and itself hands out millions to needy nations. It currently gives more foreign aid than it receives despite its problems with disease and healthcare.

The British aid money did not go directly to building the statue but was spent funding projects that India could have afforded had it not been pouring cash into the 2,000-tonne memorial.

The Statue of Unity took 3,500 workers four years to construct and the project involved a land-grab affecting 72 nearby villages, forcing thousands out of their homes, according to tribal chiefs.

Indian air force jets flew over the giant figure on Wednesday and clouds of rose petals were dropped from helicopters as Mr Modi officially opened what he described as ‘a symbol of our engineering and technical prowess’.

Helicopters release flowers during the inauguration of the Statue of Unity portraying Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, one of the founding fathers of India

His address was widely seen as the unofficial launch of his re-election campaign.

In 2012, Britain’s then aid minister Andrew Mitchell announced the main aid programme to India would end after 2015. Yet last year £92.6million was spent by Whitehall officials on projects there.

UK-funded schemes included £86,616 on testing whether yoga helps people who have had heart attacks and £100,000 on bringing women scientists from India to visit Cambridge University.

The Department for International Development said it ended ‘traditional aid’ to India in 2015 but is still funding projects that boost the country’s economy and help tackle climate change.

A spokesman added: ‘The UK now provides world-leading expertise and private investment – while generating a return for the UK – to boost prosperity, create jobs and open up markets, which is firmly in our interests.’



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Postby Haresh » 05 Nov 2018 19:13

chetak wrote:The title itself is not only misleading


The entire "Aid" bullcrap is misleading.
"Last night Tory MP Peter Bone said: ‘To take £1.1billion in aid from us and then at the same time spend £330million on a statue is a total nonsense and it is the sort of thing that drives people mad."
Who took the aid from them? Not the Indian government. They give this so called aid to organisations they have set up or partnered with. NGO's. It has never been requested by the government.

They deal with private aid companies, who's Directors are very wealthy people

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp ... Rw23bccTFM

The average Brit thinks crates of cash are being delivered to India or cheques written to the GoI. They have no idea.
The staff at these "AID" companies are paid very well, the money comes from this so called aid & is paid into their UK bank accounts. They stay in the best 4-5* hotels. They have chaffuer driven cars.

The Daily Mail is a rag, it is historically an admirer of Hitler/Nazi's. In fact Hitler wrote to the Editor at the time to thank him for his support.
The previous Editor Paul Dacre was asked what was the secret to the DM's success his reply was " I give the British people what they want a Daily hate!!"
They are trying to demonise India, some of the comments talk about a future war between India & the west/UK and India being an enemy.

All those comments about a statue and how many comments on a article about Indian soldiers in WW1?
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... diers.html

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Postby Singha » 05 Nov 2018 19:24

all these aid are 75% subsidy to the aid delivery industry and all aid materials & services are also sourced from donor country

nice way of subsidising your domestic industries and NGOs under the garb of goodness.

its always been that way. just study the expense ratio of these big international do-gooders.

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Postby arshyam » 05 Nov 2018 20:10

To rub more chilli on their sorry behinds, we should quote the old figures calculated by Dadabhai Naoroji* and present them to the stiff upper lip types saying: they have "miles to go before they sleep finish" paying back what they looted from us. Why justify their outrage with more from our side, let us have fun at their expense onlee :mrgreen:. Oh, and make this fun expense payable on top of the above mentioned figures onlee...


* The grand old man had estimated £200-300 million per year was drained from India in his book "Poverty and Un-British rule in India". Add that sum over for 150 years, plus inflation and loss of the pound's value over the years, and add an interest of say 20% starting from 1718 (we are tough moneylenders onlee, plus they don't get fractions anyway without our numbers). Per my calculation, the principal amount itself translates into £39,000,000,000 per year**. That's £39B per year * 150 years = £5.85 trillion onlee. Again, that's only the principal amount, but should keep them busy for a while, as their stiff upper lips quiver with righteous indignation...

**"An inflation rate of 2.94% per year means £1 in 1850 is worth £130.75 in 2018." link from a random web search

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Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 05 Nov 2018 20:29

arshyam wrote:To rub more chilli on their sorry behinds, we should quote the old figures calculated by Dadabhai Naoroji* and present them to the stiff upper lip types saying: they have "miles to go before they sleep finish" paying back what they looted from us. Why justify their outrage with more from our side, let us have fun at their expense onlee :mrgreen:. Oh, and make this fun expense payable on top of the above mentioned figures onlee...


* The grand old man had estimated £200-300 million per year was drained from India in his book "Poverty and Un-British rule in India". Add that sum over for 150 years, plus inflation and loss of the pound's value over the years, and add an interest of say 20% starting from 1718 (we are tough moneylenders onlee, plus they don't get fractions anyway without our numbers). Per my calculation, the principal amount itself translates into £39,000,000,000 per year**. That's £39B per year * 150 years = £5.85 trillion onlee. Again, that's only the principal amount, but should keep them busy for a while, as their stiff upper lips quiver with righteous indignation...

**"An inflation rate of 2.94% per year means £1 in 1850 is worth £130.75 in 2018." link from a random web search



Its a great idea. Wish we had someone who could actually write an updated paper and get it published in one of the serious journals. Has to be a historian. Get it into a peer reviewed journal and it becomes a launch pad for all possible attacks and refutations. Imagine the glee with which left wing liberals will use this to pounce upon their own government. Hell, even the conservative right wing can use this in political attacks on their opponents in their countries.
  1. Jorunal of Modern History
  2. Journal of Social History
  3. Journal of Colonialism and Colonial History
  4. The Journal of Imperial and Commonwealth History
  5. Journal of Global History

To fight the heathen, we have to understand and use his weapons. All these corporate bigwigs do philanthropic donations to Univ's why cant they establish a Chair in some US/ UK University to investigate and research history our won way. Next step is to start a mirror department in an Indian Univ and get them to collaborate.

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Postby Bart S » 06 Nov 2018 00:22

No need to present anything or convince anyone. Just identify all the recipients of UK aid and UK citizens in the NGO/activism business in India and shut them down/kick them out. Even the Pakistanis had enough sense to do this recently.

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Postby IndraD » 06 Nov 2018 22:10

deleting the news as I can;t find reliable source other than social media buzz.
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Postby Zynda » 06 Nov 2018 22:39

The link takes to an older date. Anyways, if the above is true and if BJP comes back to power in 2019, time to make life difficult for British interests in India. If UPA-3 happens, I doubt they will be as enthused to pursue this case (in fact, he may come back to India after getting some sort of pardons from the highest offices in India).

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Postby eklavya » 06 Nov 2018 23:38

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 339771.cms

LONDON: The bloodletting in the CBI has put the Vijay Mallya trial at risk since its scandal-hit special director Rakesh Asthana, who stands accused of bribery, has been leading the investigation against the fugitive tycoon.

The 62-year-old Mallya, accused of fraud to the value of Rs 10,000 crore, may use the current storm to his advantage by claiming in the UK court that he cannot be extradited on the basis of an investigation carried out by a person who himself stands accused by the CBI.

The judgment on Mallya’s extradition is due to be handed down by chief magistrate Emma Arbuthnot at Westminster magistrates’ court on December 10. Mallya’s defence team have not shied from launching attacks on Asthana and the investigating agency throughout his extradition trial to bolster their case.

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Postby IndraD » 06 Nov 2018 23:39

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aid is given by UK to fund terror groups as well ; many of their aids have ended with AQ fighters in ME

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Postby Philip » 07 Nov 2018 15:48

https://www.thenational.ae/world/europe ... s-1.788370
Half of London's Russian community spies for the Kremlin, report says
As many as 50 per cent of 150,000 London expats were informants according to a think-tank report.

Hilarious! Remember the Hollywood comedy,"The Russians are coming!"? But even if there is a grain of truth in the matter,that some expats are providing intel for the Kremlin (more likely that many of them are in fact working for the Brits,as admitted with the "defectors like Skripal,Litvinenko and co. who worked for British and western intel).then every Chinaman and woman,expat,student and tourist must be considered as agents for Beijing as such a vast amount of intel has been purloined from the west by the use of every method in and out of the book.

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Postby rsingh » 07 Nov 2018 17:26

^^^^Another half is working for UK or USA against Russia.

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Postby Skanda » 12 Nov 2018 22:55

Businesses moving out, adjusting post Brexit

Twitter link that links various articles about Businesses that are adjusting to Brexit and beyond. Shucks, looks like a blood bath in UK in about 5 months time.

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Postby IndraD » 13 Nov 2018 01:22

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... r-memorial

A statue raised by local Gurudwara of Birmingham in honour of fallen Indian soldiers in world wars has been vandalised within a week of getting erected. No sepoy was sprayed over it in ref to Indian soldiers.

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Postby IndraD » 13 Nov 2018 01:25

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-45919730

an extremist far right group called National Action was busted and members arrested. Much to horror one member was in British army and had successfully recruited three more soldiers.
Their communication was sophisticated and encrypted and they were in touch with every possible terror org in the world to expand.
They wanted to target Sikh, coloured skin, Jews, gay, Muslims etc.

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Postby chetak » 14 Nov 2018 10:13

Towering resentment: Why the British are sulking over the Statue of Unity



Towering resentment: Why the British are sulking over the Statue of Unity


India’s relentless rise back to prosperity comes at a time when Britain is in steep decline and poverty and hunger are common there. While India doles out more than $6 billion in aid (including a generous multi-million pound sterling grant to Cambridge University), London’s arc of influence is shrinking.

Rakesh Krishnan Simha @ByRakeshSimha
13-11-2018

It is peculiar that when something good comes out of India, sections of British society start carping about India’s poverty. No other country is as obsessed with India’s poor as Britain (although it is a notable subculture in the media of other countries of the Anglosphere).

In 2008, when an Indian spacecraft discovered water on the moon, the British media was aghast that India was wasting its resources on such high-tech gimmicks while it has millions (sorry, hundreds of millions) of poor people.

A year later when India launched its first nuclear submarine, the British questioned India’s need for such expensive weapons when according to the Brits more than 800 million people survived on $2 a day.

The lament is always the same: Why is Britain giving aid to a country that spends so much on its military and ‘vanity’ projects?

Indians have heard that old record repeatedly and they are tired of it. But not the British – they are raking it up again in the backdrop of the inauguration of the Statue of Unity in Gujarat.

In a tizzy over Patel
Barely had the cheers erupted across India when the world’s tallest statue was unveiled that the British media went after it. According to the Daily Mail, (1) Britain donated more than £1billion to India in the years when New Delhi was “lavishing a fortune on building the world’s tallest statue”. The colossal bronze memorial – almost twice the height of the Statue of Liberty in New York – was “immediately condemned as an expensive vanity project”.

The newspaper continues: “In the 56 months it took to construct the £330million Statue of Unity, UK taxpayers gave India £1.17billion in foreign aid, according to official figures….The engineering project started in 2012, when British taxpayers donated almost £300 million to India. In 2013 a further £268 million was given, in 2014 the figure was £278 million and in 2015 it was £185 million, followed by smaller amounts after that. As the cash rolled in from Britain, the Indian authorities poured billions of rupees into building the 597 feet tall bronze likeness of Sardar Patel, one of the heroes of India’s independence movement.”

Big-ticket Indian defence and aerospace projects invariably draw petulant comments in Britain, partly because the British once enjoyed a leadership position in these fields whereas today it is forced to watch from the sidelines as India, China and South Korea reach for the stars. The Mail says the Indian government is planning to spend millions on a lunar probe called Chandrayaan-2 – despite “230 million Indians living in poverty”. (2)

Tory MP Peter Bone added his two bits: “To take £1.1billion in aid from us and then at the same time spend £330million on a statue is a total nonsense and it is the sort of thing that drives people mad.”

Big Ben and Victorian poverty
The British – and their liberal slaves in India – should know that India is not Somalia or the Philippines that cannot afford to build memorials to its great heroes. India is a leading economy and has enough money for development projects and buildings that inspire people. Sardar Vallabhai Patel was the most important Indian leader of the previous century; without him the British and Indian Muslims – with no small help from Gandhi and Nehru – would have balkanised India. More such statues of unifiers such as Shivaji, Rana Pratap, Rana Kumbha, Raja Raja Chola, Rajendra Chola and Harshavardhana should be built across the country.

That brings us to monumental projects that other nations have undertaken. Take London’s Big Ben – one of the world’s most iconic clock towers. The 159-feet structure was planned in 1844 and completed in 1859. Was London a modern city back then? On the contrary, the living conditions of the vast majority of people in the metropolis were appalling.


In his book The Victorian Underworld, Kellow Chesney gives a graphic description of the conditions in which many Londoners were living: “Hideous slums, some of them acres wide, some no more than crannies of obscure misery, make up a substantial part of the, metropolis … In big, once handsome houses, thirty or more people of all ages may inhabit a single room.” (3)

Great wealth and extreme poverty lived side by side because the tenements, slums, rookeries were only a stone’s throw from the large elegant houses of the rich. In 1849, Henry Mayhew, an investigative journalist for the Morning Chronicle, described a London Street with a tidal ditch running through it, into which drains and sewers emptied. The ditch contained the only water the people in the street had to drink, and it was “the colour of strong green tea”, in fact it was “more like watery mud than muddy water”.

This is the report Mayhew gave: “As we gazed in horror at it, we saw drains and sewers emptying their filthy contents into it; we saw a whole tier of doorless privies in the open road, common to men and women built over it; we heard bucket after bucket of filth splash into it.” (3)

Many women took to prostitution because the alternatives were so grim. Entire streets in the slums of London were inhabited by prostitutes. Many girls viewed a few years ‘on the game’ as a sensible way to build up a little capital to invest in a small business later, but their future was often cut short by sexually transmitted diseases. (4)

Children as well as adults
In her book The Victorian Town Child, Pamela Horn writes: “In 1848 Lord Ashley referred to more than 30,000 naked, filthy, roaming lawless and deserted children in and around the metropolis.”

You get the picture – the Victorian Era, which evokes much nostalgia among Britons, was a dystopian nightmare but it also gave London some of its most famous monuments. Compared with London of the 1850s, Gujarat is a prosperous state with a dynamic economy. So to say that India shouldn’t build monuments of vanity is just churlish. Basically, what the British should say honestly is: “We are envious that you Indians can build so big.”

What’s bugging Britain?
After it was kicked out of India in 1947, Britain kept up the pretence that it is fascinated by India. Their view was that the British Raj – if you ignored its brutal aspects – was the glue that bonded both nations. They argued that for Britain, India is like the high school crush – you never quite forget your first love.

But in recent years that mask has slipped. As Indian companies started snapping up the crown jewels of British industry (Corus, Land Rover, Jaguar) the colonial aversion for Indians reappeared. It doesn’t matter that India is the second largest investor in the UK after Japan, generating tens of thousands of local jobs.

India’s relentless rise back to prosperity comes at a time when Britain is in steep decline and poverty and hunger are common there. While India doles out more than $6 billion in aid (including a generous multi-million pound sterling grant to Cambridge University), London’s arc of influence is shrinking. While the Royal Navy is to be scuttled to a littoral force of 19 ships, India is building a 270-ship navy. Last week, when the Royal Navy’s new aircraft carrier sailed into New York, Russia’s RT (5) questioned “whether Britain even needed any new aircraft carriers, considering that paying for them meant the navy couldn’t then afford to pay for enough sailors to actually sail them”.

Keep your peanuts
So how much is this aid that the British are getting so crabby about? Chew on this – a big fat £52 million ($67 million) that Indians should be grateful for. Just to keep things in perspective, British aid to India in 2018 is less than M.S. Dhoni’s net worth of $78 million. It’s the kind of cash Mukesh Ambani, the richest man in India, probably leaves as loose change in his office drawers.

The irony is that India doesn’t want the money. In fact, seven years ago former Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee and other Indian ministers had tried to terminate Britain’s aid – but relented after the British begged them to keep taking the money. In fact, Mukherjee famously mocked the UK’s contribution, saying: “We do not require the aid. It is a peanut in our total developmental expenditure.” (6)

Further, according to a leaked memo, senior Indian diplomat Nirupama Rao had proposed “not to avail of any further British assistance with effect from April 1, 2011” because of the “negative publicity of Indian poverty promoted by Britain’s DFID”. However, London requested Delhi to keep taking the money because cancelling the programme would cause “grave political embarrassment” to Britain.

Let that sink in – Britain wants to give aid to India not because India needs it, but because the British wish to continue with the pretence that they are a great power that continues to civilise brown people. You know, the “white man’s burden”.

Politics – and dangers – of aid
The British have good reasons to continue the DFID’s work in India. The nation of shopkeepers has little to offer India by way of trade, so aid acts as a useful toehold. According to Britain’s former Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell, the focus of British aid would be public-private partnerships rather than education or health. Translation: British aid is being diverted to schemes that sound uncannily like lobbying.

Anyway, appearing to care for the poor in India also does wonders for Britain’s self-esteem. Images of British citizens working amidst thin, unkempt children hawking stuff on the streets reinforces the widespread belief in Britain that colonialism was okay because Indians are unfit to govern themselves.

Another spinoff is that having British natives on the ground in India is handy when it comes to recruiting informers and spies. This isn’t as farfetched as it sounds. Employment in a nondescript NGO would be the perfect cover for British intelligence agents. Only someone incredibly naive would dispute that intelligence agencies routinely use such cover.

Also, at a time when Britain has become (in former French President Nicholas Sarkozy’s words) “an industrial wasteland”, such aid programmes keep scores of Britons employed.

Fundamentalist agenda
Amidst the volley of criticism, one of the few voices of support for aid to India comes from Christian Aid. This outfit has a vested interest in keeping the aid pipeline flowing smoothly. Christian Aid is part of a consortium that has managed a DFID programme directed at India’s backward classes and tribal communities that have traditionally been targeted for conversion by fundamentalist churches. The outfit, which has been operating in India for over 50 years, currently works in 16 states with 27 partners. (7)

Christian Aid, which unabashedly mixes evangelism and charity, is selling its own brand of salvation in India’s backward regions, potentially setting up future religious clashes between Hindus and newly converted Christians. Its agenda is very clear – the church-backed organisation is openly meddling in deep-rooted social conflicts. Instead of letting India’s various social groups sort out their issues amicably, agencies like Christian Aid are creating discord. The rise of Maoist guerrilla movements, backed by fundamentalist churches based in the Anglosphere, is just one example.


What about the poor?
Britain doesn’t have to be concerned about India’s poor because: one, it has plenty of its own to worry about. The Guardian’s Breadline Britain series (8) notes the combination of soaring living costs (particularly food and childcare), welfare cuts, and charges for previously free services (such as homework clubs) have put Britons under immense, and in some cases, almost intolerable pressure. People affected include the low-income mum who ate once a day and never on Saturdays to ensure that her kids got a decent meal, for example; and the indignity of “just coping” – more than one interviewee reported “people fighting for the discounted vegetables” in the supermarket.

And that’s not including the Peaceful Explosion – the massive increase in the number of Islamic fundamentalists who are invading white middle and lower class neighbourhoods, and the proliferation of child sex rings dominated by Pakistani immigrants.

Secondly, at least 30-40 million Indians are lifted out of poverty every year thanks to India’s growing economy. This is an unprecedented rate of poverty removal that is bettered only by China. It is in this backdrop that Britain – along with its Anglosphere allies the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand and European sidekicks such as Norway, Germany and the Netherlands – continues to peddle the nonsense that India needs Western aid.

Poverty is being removed from India through the hard work of leaders like Prime Minister Narendra Modi who are creating jobs and brand new cities. However, the rising India story doesn’t fit the Western narrative of a poor country that cannot survive without external aid. Too bad, other than some Gunga Dins for hire, Indians are not buying that any more.

Some British politicians have pointed out the irony of British aid to India. When the statue frenzy hit the tabloids, Tory politician Philip Davies told the Express: “Here we are spending money in a country that has not only got its own space programme but is developing its own overseas aid programme….the public is not just sick and tired of this but angry too. It is completely unjustifiable and truly idiotic.”

Davies was echoing what his colleague Douglas Carswell had said when Mukherjee gave London the finger: “The fact is that India’s economy is growing much faster than our own. We should be encouraging free trade with them and trying to learn from them rather than handing out patronising lectures.”

Forget aid, get a life
Indeed, Britain is not in a position to moralise because it alone is responsible for India’s poverty. Britain’s rapacious colonialism turned India from the world’s richest country in the 1700s to one of the poorest by the time the British were kicked out in 1947. Within the span of 190 years, the British also killed at least 60 million Indians through wars, displacement of populations and artificially created famines.

Amaresh Misra, a writer and historian based in Mumbai, argues in his book War of Civilisations: India AD 1857 that after the First War of Independence in 1857, British reprisal killings (which he calls an “untold holocaust”) caused the deaths of almost 10 million people over the next 10 years.

English author Charles Dickens, whose bicentennial is being celebrated this year, said after the 1857 war: “I wish I were commander-in-chief in India…I should proclaim to them that I considered my holding that appointment by the leave of God, to mean that I should do my utmost to exterminate the race.”

And how can you forget the view of The Guardian, the liberal voice of Britain? “We sincerely hope that the terrible lesson thus taught will never be forgotten,” it wrote about the genocide.

And finally, Winston Churchill, who described Indians as a “beastly race”. He caused the deaths of nearly four million Indians in 1943-44 by diverting food from India to Europe. It is known as the Great Bengal Famine during which the daily calorie intake of Indians was lower than that of the Jews in Germany’s death camps.

Forget aid, what India needs from Britain is an apology.

Sources
Daily Mail, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tatue.html
Daily Mail, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... India.html
Poverty and Families in the Victorian Era, https://www.hiddenlives.org.uk/articles/poverty.html
The working classes and the poor, https://www.bl.uk/victorian-britain/art ... d-the-poor
Britain’s biggest warship parks off the US coast, looking just a little bit needy, https://www.rt.com/op-ed/442041-britain ... s-warship/
Typhoon in London over aid ‘peanuts’ Delhi doesn’t want, https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/ty ... cid/450268
Christian Aid. https://www.christianaid.org.uk/about-u ... work/india
The ‘despair’ and ‘loneliness’ of austerity Britain, https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ty-britain


Disclaimer: The facts and opinions expressed within this article are the personal opinions of the author. IndiaFacts does not assume any responsibility or liability for the accuracy, completeness,suitability,or validity of any information in this article.

Rakesh Krishnan Simha
Rakesh is primarily a defence analyst. His articles have been quoted extensively by universities and in books on diplomacy, counter terrorism, warfare, and development of the global south; and by international defence journals.
Rakesh’s work has been cited by leading think tanks and organisations that include the Naval Postgraduate School, California; US Army War College, Pennsylvania; Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Washington DC; State University of New Jersey; Institute of International and Strategic Relations, Paris; BBC Vietnam; Siberian Federal University, Krasnoyarsk; Centre for Air Power Studies, New Delhi; Institute for Defense Analyses, Virginia; International Center for Not-for-Profit Law, Washington DC; Stimson Centre, Washington DC; Foreign Policy Research Institute, Philadelphia; and Institute for Strategic, Political, Security and Economic Consultancy, Berlin.
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Postby chetak » 14 Nov 2018 13:11

Bart S wrote:No need to present anything or convince anyone. Just identify all the recipients of UK aid and UK citizens in the NGO/activism business in India and shut them down/kick them out. Even the Pakistanis had enough sense to do this recently.



Its not "aid", its ONLY british evangelical taqiya, under the benign and socially acceptable guise of "british aid"

britshit "aid" to India is all about ensuring that their "aid workers" have free and unhindered access to tribals, "dalits", economically weaker sections of society etc so that they can undermine our culture and spread their fundamentalist ideology and create divisions in Indian society.

Their "aid" is nothing more than stirring up marxist trouble and supporting rabid EJs to proselytise. Almost every urban naxal is connected to some western or paki "aid" outfit.

If we haven't seen the true reason for their "insistence" in "providing" aid then we have got the wrong end of the atithi devo bhava stick, as usual.

If there was no aid, wouldn't there be very uncomfortable and legitimate questions as to what the hell these gora creeps were doing in such sensitive areas and why they were spending so much of time there??

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Britain’s biggest warship parks off the US coast, looking just a little bit needy



Britain’s biggest warship parks off the US coast, looking just a little bit needy
23 Oct, 2018

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Britain’s biggest warship parks off the US coast, looking just a little bit needy

If the Statue of Liberty looked a little surprised this week, it could be because Britain just sailed a 65,000 ton, £3.1 billion phallic symbol up the Hudson River.
The Royal Navy’s brand spanking new aircraft carrier, the HMS Queen Elizabeth has been deployed on its first major mission, a jolly to New York. It’s being used as a giant floating trade fair. There are no hostesses in bikinis luring in businessmen with free pens, instead there are highly-trained sailors standing to attention thinking “I didn’t sign up for this shit”.


My advice to the crew would be to try and enjoy it, get ashore, sample the restaurants, catch a show maybe, because they’re more likely to be parked off countries covered in sand in the decades ahead.

Britain's biggest warship HMS Queen Elizabeth has arrived in New York!

WATCH LIVE: https://t.co/ZG3dp8ME8a

Read more: https://t.co/gkcKqp1sk0@HMSQnlz@UKinUSApic.twitter.com/lfNDxT2mOm

— Royal Navy (@RoyalNavy) October 19, 2018
Seeing ‘Big Lizzie’ (that’s what they’re calling it) steaming towards New York made me wonder if all this was part of the Admirals’ original funding pitch for a brand new aircraft carrier or two. “You see minister, these ships will allow us to continue our pretense of being able to project power around the globe, and if that fails, we could just use it as a very expensive trade stall?”


Surely it must be slightly humiliating that the pride and joy of the British navy is being utilized as a very large sales booth to flog trade deals that Britain can’t even cut yet, because it remains still very much inside the EU.

The vessel’s Captain Jerry Kyd revealed that his aircraft carrier stopped just yards from where Admiral Lord Nelson used to anchor his ships in New York, back in the century when that meant something. For me it’s hard to imagine Lord Nelson inviting a delegation of business leaders aboard HMS Victory for a finger buffet and short slideshow on post-Brexit business opportunities.

There were plenty of military analysts who were questioning whether Britain even needed any new aircraft carriers, considering that paying for them meant the navy couldn’t then afford to pay for enough sailors to actually sail them.

Well, those analysts must be feeling pretty silly now at the sight of Britain’s International Trade Secretary Liam Fox, striding down the runway declaring to the world, “we want to be open for business, should Brexit ever happen… have you seen the size of our boat?”

When I see this aircraft carrier pitching for business though, it doesn’t look like a display of financial and martial prowess, it looks like a little bit needy.


© royalnavyBig boat in big trouble? UK beats ‘Russia threat’ drums as its new aircraft carrier heads for trials

Britain’s Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson, the guy who threatens Armageddon every time Russia’s carrier passes through the English Channel, made the trip to see Big Lizzie in the Big Apple.

He declared that: “HMS Queen Elizabeth is a symbol of our commitment to our security and the security of our allies,” which to me sounds strange when it’s anchored off the US. Washington has about 10 carriers which are bigger than Britain’s flagship, in fact the Nimitz-class models are so big they’re not even allowed in New York harbor - so who’s actually being impressed?


I find it hard to imagine this kind of stunt would work or be accepted anywhere else. Parking your biggest battleship off the coast of France for example is unlikely to be greeted as just a bit of grandstanding fun - it would be more of a sign that Brexit negotiations have gone extremely wrong indeed.

The sight of HMS Queen Elizabeth off the coast of Manhattan for me is extremely symbolic. It shows the military core which is the only thing keeping the ‘special relationship’ between the UK and US alive; it shows Britain’s desperation to be a global power again, whatever the cost; and it shows the lengths some people will go to see the Statue of Liberty close up. They should have taken the Staten Island ferry instead… it’s free.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby IndraD » 16 Nov 2018 01:40

BBC criticized for siding with libtards and passing shoddy personal opinion as study on India.

The BBC research on ‘fake news’ is shoddy, unethical, dishonest, and actually an example of fake news
The ridiculous sample size should be the first indicator that the BBC research is bogus. Everything else, from their selection bias, to terming others 'fake news purveyors' based on the inputs of fake news purveyors themselves, points to the fact that BBC had already made up its mind as to what the conclusion of the report must read.


https://www.opindia.com/2018/11/the-bbc ... fake-news/

Nationalism a driving force behind fake news in India, BBC research shows


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