Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby eklavya » 16 Jun 2017 20:04

Aditya_V wrote:
eklavya wrote:The counsel representing India in the Malaya case said that he is still waiting for evidence.



http://wap.business-standard.com/articl ... 082_1.html

First the CBI let him go, and now they are not providing evidence on time.

Blaming the UK for this situation is plain denial of the obvious.


Who is Counsel- someone appointed by the Indian Goverment - No Crown prosecution Service - Sarkari lawyers of the British Government. They are not private lawyers hired by the Indian Government. The so called extradition proceedings is in full control of the British Government.

CBI did not "Let him go" Indian Judiciary did with various Judicial pronouncements literally taking away Government powers to stop people from flying expect direct violent crime.

It is because people like Mallya have get away card by safe haven like UK they are upto fraud. UK banks including so called TAX havens have no bussiness to keep fraudulent money. If not Mallya atleast his and Children controlled entities which have been benefitted from transfer from KFA money should be repatriated. They wont do that. Why this love for UK?


The UK courts and CPS are going through the process of extradition. Can you point out where their actions have been malafide?

Was the counsel representing the Indian government lying about not having received evidence? If so, why hasn't the Government of India made an issue out of this?

Which bank account in which country received the KFA money? GoI should know because the money trail started in India. Has the Government of India started proceedings to recover the money?

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Postby Singha » 16 Jun 2017 21:43

like all cities with a really rich class, gradually the rising cost hollows out and drives off the middle class until only the rich and the poor in the service sector are left in the core city.

its the same story in all rich cities worldwide unless some govt intervention like rent control or affordable housing is done

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Postby UlanBatori » 16 Jun 2017 21:57

Or a rat infestation which triggered the Great Plague. Today instead they have Pakis.

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Postby Singha » 16 Jun 2017 22:19

witness the rage , speed and mobilization in which the middle east/pak people and their supporters have taken the grenfell issue to town hall and made it a national headline and priority.

if it were a purely desi community we would see nothing of the sort.

no wonder even racist goras are careful not to cross the path of militant islam.

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Postby UlanBatori » 16 Jun 2017 22:26

I have not been following this Toweling Infelno. Was it REALLY accidental? I didn't want to ask because I assumed it was mostly goras living there, so someone would have asked already, but was the place full of momeen? Doesn't that raise strong possibility of Oklahoma-style types deciding to play with matches? Fire looked extremely intense in photos, WHOLE BUILDING was on fire. How is that possible with modern-din fire protection standards and materials?

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Postby Singha » 16 Jun 2017 22:33

news is here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

it seems a lot of people might be missing and presumed charred to ashes......

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Postby Rishi Verma » 16 Jun 2017 22:38

chetak wrote:
Prem wrote:Hope PM Modi used the opportunity on his recent Euro tour and offered Mumbai,Chennai as clearing center for EU .



if he did, they would have turfed him out immediately.

That is a pie that they all want all for their white skinned selves only.


I think we should go easy with skin-colour related sentences. Its racist and not unlike casteist. Europeans may be wily .. Let them be, why arent we wily.., we at BRF dont allow skin colour tinged sentences for north and south indians.. And the same norm should apply to europeans, americans, canadians, or russians

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Postby chetak » 16 Jun 2017 23:17

Rishi Verma wrote:
chetak wrote:

if he did, they would have turfed him out immediately.

That is a pie that they all want all for their white skinned selves only.


I think we should go easy with skin-colour related sentences. Its racist and not unlike casteist. Europeans may be wily .. Let them be, why arent we wily.., we at BRF dont allow skin colour tinged sentences for north and south indians.. And the same norm should apply to europeans, americans, canadians, or russians


sorry old chap.

I should have said that our erstwhile masters and their friends in the continent, some of them also having been our erstwhile masters as well, would certainly not allow lucrative financially related services and the associated clearing center for EU to slip out of their grasp and to be set up in grubby places filled with SDREs.

that sound better??

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Postby Prem » 16 Jun 2017 23:28

UlanBatori wrote:I have not been following this Toweling Infelno. Was it REALLY accidental? I didn't want to ask because I assumed it was mostly goras living there, so someone would have asked already, but was the place full of momeen? Doesn't that raise strong possibility of Oklahoma-style types deciding to play with matches? Fire looked extremely intense in photos, WHOLE BUILDING was on fire. How is that possible with modern-din fire protection standards and materials?



BBC kept saying its a brick and mortal building and won't fall which they were actually hoping , expecting . No much hectic fire fighting activities shown on TV as one see in USA.

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Postby UlanBatori » 17 Jun 2017 00:50

news is here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
:eek: :shock: And u want me to believe that is **NOT** arson? If that were in the Yoo Ess, (houristan forbid!) See Enn Enn headlines would be 400%
"INVESTIGATE TRUMP!!"
or how it all happened because of elephants/Sona Bandar's Hate Campaign and Atmosphere of Hate created against *******s.
Oh wait! That is already the case. Never mind.. :roll:

Its either deliberate arson or some IED-mubarak enterprise brilliantly conducted on the lower floors, going a bit prematurely.

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Postby IndraD » 17 Jun 2017 00:58

UlanBatori wrote:news is here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
:eek: :shock: And u want me to believe that is **NOT** arson? If that were in the Yoo Ess, (houristan forbid!) See Enn Enn headlines would be 400%
"INVESTIGATE TRUMP!!"
or how it all happened because of elephants/Sona Bandar's Hate Campaign and Atmosphere of Hate created against *******s.
Oh wait! That is already the case. Never mind.. :roll:

Its either deliberate arson or some IED-mubarak enterprise brilliantly conducted on the lower floors, going a bit prematurely.

that area is heterogenous with many from African, ME staying around.
One pic of protest:
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Postby UlanBatori » 17 Jun 2017 01:03

Indraji: Look at the pics & names of the victims posted on the right side panel at the link that Singhaji provided. Very homogeneous, essentially 90-100% One Community.

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Postby MurthyB » 17 Jun 2017 01:29

Lot of North African type names there. Those guys are generally better at vaccum bulb bursts than the subcontinental peacefuls.

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Postby eklavya » 17 Jun 2017 02:05

News report suggests it was a faulty fridge:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tated.html

It also suggests that the building's cladding was not made of a suitable material, and that that may have been for budgetary reasons. One has to wonder how /whether the building was compliant with fire safety regulations.

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Postby MurthyB » 17 Jun 2017 03:11

Looks like the building needed a proper, fire-safe burkha. Too much skin showing..

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Postby ramana » 17 Jun 2017 03:53

eklavya wrote:News report suggests it was a faulty fridge:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tated.html

It also suggests that the building's cladding was not made of a suitable material, and that that may have been for budgetary reasons. One has to wonder how /whether the building was compliant with fire safety regulations.

The Aluminium sandwich panels had plastic between the sheets. The US company has restriction on installing the panels in buildings over 12 m high in US. The UK Building code is old and does not prohibit the usage. The contractor used the panels for cost savings of $3/panel. Whole bldg could have been saved for less than $8K.
The bldg managers get paid £20K more that UK Prime minister Theresa May. So could easily afford the proper panels.

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Postby ramana » 17 Jun 2017 03:56

Faulty fridge is the trigger. The deaths are caused by faulty panels which spread the fire and went out of control.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby krisna » 17 Jun 2017 03:59

Rishi Verma wrote:
I think we should go easy with skin-colour related sentences. Its racist and not unlike casteist. Europeans may be wily .. Let them be, why arent we wily.., we at BRF dont allow skin colour tinged sentences for north and south indians.. And the same norm should apply to europeans, americans, canadians, or russians


OT---
have to call out on this.
casteist-- solidified by brit pakis -caste of european origin. Never Indian origin. only jathi and varna is. No Indian languagae incluidng sanskrit has caste word.

British Indian census since 1800s created this catseist thingie.
curioulsy as far as my knowledge goes no JNU scholar has done a proper phd desserttaion on this british caste census and how it has created the caste today in India.

Unfortunately due to unintended consequences and dynamics of its own -caste has acquired a life of its own with many Indians giving it mythical status of being there in Hinduism for centuries and inbuilt into Hindu religion.

end of OT-----

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Postby krisna » 17 Jun 2017 04:01

regarding the building fire, Theresa May govt has ordered a reveiw of all 4600+ tall buildings all over UK for fire safety measures.

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Postby ramana » 17 Jun 2017 04:06

--- Right to determine how systemic the problem is. She should also give subsidy to get rid of old fridges which can catch fire.
In Oakland California same cause of old fridge catching fire in bad building killed a lot of people.

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Postby UlanBatori » 17 Jun 2017 07:37

This is just awful. There was no fire escape provision. Flames all round. How come there was no fire evacuation? No alarm? Something waaaaay suspicious here.

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Postby srin » 17 Jun 2017 10:57

Reg. Mallya: this is the guy who deducted EPF and TDS from employee salaries and didn't pay it to Govt.
That is fraud, pure and simple.

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/smvfjlMWKkl5aX6RZo9MiK/The-cases-against-Vijay-Mallya-and-Kingfisher-Airlines.html

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Postby Singha » 17 Jun 2017 12:14

Yes thats usually seen in small tapori cos whose founders vanish one fine day

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Postby Aditya_V » 17 Jun 2017 12:27

But Hell He and is family are living it up. AFter all we all make money for our families.

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Postby Philip » 17 Jun 2017 13:20

It's "Mayday" for May! Howling Grenfell protestors call for her head,esp. after her "inhuman" interview where she doidged Qs about responsibility for the tragedy.As the saying goes,"she is now toast"!,pardon the politically incorrect reference to fire,toast,yo get the pic! :rotfl:

After being booed by Grenfell victims, Theresa May caps another dreadful day with 'inhuman' TV interview and fails to give a single straight answer after being accused of misreading public's anger

The Prime Minister appeared uncomfortable as she received grilling from the BBC's Emily Maitlis (right) on Newsnight over her actions following the devastating blaze. Mrs May has been heavily criticised for failing to meet with victims of the tragedy when she first visited the site of the fire in west London on Thursday. She eventually met victims on Friday but was jeered by an angry crowd who branded her a 'coward' and called for her resignation. Maitlis told the Prime Minister last night: 'You misread the public mood on this one. You misread the anger that people feel about this.'

'Blood on their hands': Fury over Grenfell fire boils over as protesters storm Kensington Town Hall, boo PM and march on Downing Street shouting 'May must go' as they blame Tory cuts for the fire that 'killed 70'

'Murderer! Coward! Shame on you!' Theresa May is jeered by furious crowd and hurries back to her car under a heavy police guard after she FINALLY meets survivors of the Grenfell inferno.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

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Postby eklavya » 17 Jun 2017 13:59

Brexit comment:

https://www.ft.com/content/2ada4be4-527 ... 7009366969

Hard arguments for a soft Brexit

There are sensible responses to the claim a softer deal would disrespect the referendum

an hour ago

© Bloomberg
As far as Brexit is concerned, last week’s general election changed almost everything. Voters flocked to the two main parties, who are committed to leaving the EU, so preventing Brexit is not on cards. But after Labour strongly outperformed expectations, it is broadly recognised that the government has no mandate for its pre-existing plans for a hard Brexit. Big beasts in both the Labour party and the Conservative party are now arguing for a much narrower separation from the EU.

So consider the most obvious soft Brexit option: joining Efta and the European Economic Area, which would keep Britain in the single market on the same basis as Norway, and negotiating with the aim to remain within the EU customs union. (Note that even this is not the softest imaginable Brexit, as the EEA does not cover fish and agriculture. Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson explicitly excludes fish from her call for an “open Brexit”, and her view may command a consensus. Agriculture, however, may face difficulties if trade barriers with the European market go up.)

How can advocates of this soft Brexit solution answer the hard Brexiters’ assertion that this would disrespect the referendum? It is not enough to say that the ballot paper only mentioned EU membership, not the EEA or the CU. The meaning of the Leave vote was what the Leave campaign said: “taking back control” of “our laws”, “our borders” and “our money”, and allow for more trade deals to be struck.

There are sensible answers that soft Brexiters can give on each point.

On trade: this was one argument that was always made on pragmatic grounds. Unlike the other considerations, few argued that Britain must strike its own trade deals for the sake of it, but because they would be better and done more quickly than the EU manages. That assertion is rightly losing credibility with the public. First, because it is now sinking in that leaving the EU customs union entails customs controls on the land border in Ireland. Second, because more people are realising that an independent UK trade policy would have to run just to stand still: before it could improve Britain’s trade position, it would have to recover the more than 50 trade agreements the EU has in place with other countries — not to speak of negotiating a trade agreement with the EU itself. Third, but less recognised, the EU is in fact rather committed to striking trade deals. One with Canada has just been wrapped up, one with Japan is near completion, while the one with the US has stalled because of Donald Trump rather than anything to do with the EU. If trading more with the rest of the world is the goal, it is easy to make the case that being part of the EU trade bloc is the best available way for the UK to do so.

On “our laws”: EEA membership (or any other way of staying in the single market) involves abiding by EU regulations. That is what the single market is: a set of common and commonly enforceable rules. But there is a difference. Non-EU members of the EEA make more use of their national legislative process to implement the EU rules — they have no choice but it is at least in formal terms more “sovereign”. The same can be said of the “joint committees” managing, say, Switzerland’s place in the single market or non-EU countries’ participation in European aviation. The Efta court, meanwhile, substitutes for the European Court of Justice in rules enforcement. For all these reasons, the Efta court president is right to say that Efta and EEA membership are more “sovereignty-friendly” than EU membership.

On “our money”: as was known to those who would look, but curiously understated during the referendum campaign, even on the maximalist ways of counting British contributions to the EU budget, the UK always retained full control of more than 98 per cent of its public expenditure. The remainder was indeed under common control with other EU countries and institutions. But principles may matter, and some people may think even 1 per cent is too much not to be controlled by the sovereign UK budget. The EEA would of course require payment for single market participation too — but if Norway is a model, it would not go into the EU budget. It would, rather, be a sovereign determination by the UK to pay a fee of a comparable size. For those who care about the differences, this is presumably more “sovereignty-friendly”.

Finally, on “our borders”: the myth that the EU makes it impossible to manage immigration had been built up during the past 25 years and was never challenged during the referendum. A minor point to make is that the UK has full control over its borders (except in Ireland where it does not want control). It is the ability to control rights to reside and work within the country, not at the border, that matters. The major point to make is that Britain has been unable to exercise the power it retains under EU rules to do just this. So this is no bad time to start publicising the actual rules governing the free movement of people in the EU. In particular, EU citizens are not allowed to stay more than three months unless they either have a job or have independent resources and sickness insurance so as not to be a burden on public services; and may be expelled on grounds of public policy, public security or public health. In short, Labour’s manifesto promise of “managing immigration” is perfectly compatible with the single market’s free movement rules.

What all of this shows is, of course, that increasing formal sovereignty is not to “take back” control but rather to give it up. Whether formal sovereignty or actual control matters more was never debated in the referendum. It is time to do so now.

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Postby IndraD » 17 Jun 2017 20:11

Well not hard to understand why he did not do any thing similar for Manchester and London terror attacks
Sky News‏Verified account
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boxer @amirkingkhan has said his foundation will host a fundraising event to provide financial support to the #GrenfellTower residents

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Postby kvraghav » 17 Jun 2017 20:21

Why is the paki London mayor blaming may for the fire? Isint he responsible for housing?

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Postby eklavya » 17 Jun 2017 21:56

^^^^
There is a politics, currently very much in the ascendant after the general election last week (yes, only last weeek!), that blames all problems in the UK on "Tory cuts" and "heartless Tories". The mayor is playing to his gallery. The hard left smells blood: they think if the current parliament is dissolved and elections held (e.g. If the Tories cannot reach a deal with the DUP), it will bring in a Corbyn government, which unlike Blair, will implement a real socialist agenda: tax rises, higher government spending, public sector pay rises, greater employee protections, nationalisation, potentially more open to refugees, etc.

To address your specific question, the authority responsible for housing in respect of the current tragedy is the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, the richest in London and the country by a long long way. They saved about £5,000 it appears by using the flammable cladding used on this building.

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Postby ramana » 17 Jun 2017 23:14

Eklavya , How far is this from Kensington Palace? Thanks, ramana

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Postby eklavya » 17 Jun 2017 23:33

^^^^
About 2 miles / 3 km, walking distance.

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Postby kvraghav » 18 Jun 2017 00:07

eklavya wrote:^^^^
To address your specific question, the authority responsible for housing in respect of the current tragedy is the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, the richest in London and the country by a long long way. They saved about £5,000 it appears by using the flammable cladding used on this building.

Sorry for this seemingly dumb question buy who does this royal Borough report to? Mayor or one of the Dept under the central govt under May? Atleast in India, the housing falls under individual corporation or the state govt

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Postby eklavya » 18 Jun 2017 00:20

^^^^
RBKC, like all other London boroughs, has an elected council, i.e. local government, which is responsible for social housing. The RBKC council is run by the Tories, which is why the Labour Party leader and the mayor of London (also of the Labour Party) are exploiting the tragedy. The inquiry ordered by the central government will fix blame.

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Postby Prem » 18 Jun 2017 03:00

eklavya wrote:^^^^
About 2 miles / 3 km, walking distance.

Palace Within sniping range from the building ?

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Postby ramana » 18 Jun 2017 04:21

eklavya wrote:^^^^
About 2 miles / 3 km, walking distance.


Last June visited the Kensington Palace area. Most likely walked by this place.

Thanks for telling us its location

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Postby panduranghari » 18 Jun 2017 12:58

krisna wrote:regarding the building fire, Theresa May govt has ordered a reveiw of all 4600+ tall buildings all over UK for fire safety measures.


Grenfell tower is the new Hillsborough disaster.

Almost all houses in the blighty are old. And people call such houses- houses with character. Call them old. Demolish them. There is a concept called 'listed house' In A Grade 1 listed house which you own outright- you need permission from the authorities to do even basic modification. And the basic modification needs to be done by government approved contractors who use materials confirming to the time the building was made.

Arcane laws, arcane interpretations- hopeless outcome.

Just demolish old buildings every now and then and rebuild. The average cost of bulding a 3 bed semi detachted house in the UK is about £25000. Most sell for at least 10 times that price. Was this tower intentionally set on fire considering its proximity to important landmarks? While rest of the UK is living in austerity, London prime property is booming. The demand for parking money cannot keep up with supply. Tories are stuffed well and truly unless they throw out TM and all her cabinet. Who knows Cameron might make a comeback.

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Postby Lisa » 18 Jun 2017 17:40

^ Personally speaking, I think that £25,000 is a bit on the conservative side. In this neck of the woods, you may find it difficult to pay that much to just add a single room let alone build a new house. Furthermore land cost has not been accounted for. With regards to the flats that were burned down, in and around Latimer Road, a 2 bedroom flat changes hand for £500,000+ upwards in their normal state

https://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/ ... -road-w10/

You can extrapolate the value of that land accordingly, ie lets say 120 apartments X 1 million each (new build) conservatively at this rate, (formula is normally 1/3 for land, 1/3 for build and 1/3 for margin) the land is worth at least 40+ million plus.

With regards to Grade 1 listing, to the best of my knowledge it's only given to properties that are of unique architectural or historical importance and not due to age. Even this needs central government consent. I could also be wrong!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_building

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Postby Yagnasri » 19 Jun 2017 11:34

http://www.oneindia.com/international/m ... 68309.html

Potential terror attack? Potential???

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Postby Singha » 19 Jun 2017 11:57

the killer was yelling he would kill muslims when arrested and loaded into van.
maybe they are waiting for his notarized statement. or maybe hate crime != terrorism.

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Postby amohan2001 » 19 Jun 2017 12:06

Singha wrote:the killer was yelling he would kill muslims when arrested and loaded into van.
maybe they are waiting for his notarized statement. or maybe hate crime != terrorism.


A Christian Terrorist?


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