Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Suraj » 29 Jun 2019 01:19

Pretty interesting read on Brexit:
A Short Guide to Britain’s Long Attempt to Leave Europe
Boris Johnson is almost certainly going to win the contest for the prime ministership. They used to say that politicians campaign in poetry and govern in prose. Johnson’s approach is different. He is painting a great and glorious rainbow highway, for the unicorns of the Brexit debate to travel up into the sky. His message is a ceaseless barrage of impossible nonsense.

Britain used to be a moderate, good-natured, and fundamentally calm country, which celebrated its practical judgment and resistance to utopianism. Three years of culture war have basically driven it insane. It is now on the verge of making one of the most deceitful and self-interested politicians it has ever known prime minister, so that he can pursue an imaginary strategy for an unattainable outcome.

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Postby pankajs » 06 Jul 2019 02:34

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... alphaideas
How Britain can help you get away with stealing millions: a five-step guide

Dirty money needs laundering if it’s to be of any use – and the UK is the best place in the world to do it. By Oliver Bullough

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Postby darshan » 08 Jul 2019 19:32

https://www.opindia.com/2019/07/hindu-t ... m-smashed/

Hindu temple in the UK attacked twice in June, statues outside Shree Ram temple near Birmingham smashed

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Postby chetak » 11 Jul 2019 21:13

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Postby g.sarkar » 14 Jul 2019 07:38

Searched this out just to read the comments that go with it. The Guardian never fails to satisfy.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... on-mission
Spacewatch: India prepares to launch Chandrayaan 2 moon mission
If successful, India will become fourth country to soft-land on moon after Russia, US and China
India is making final preparations for the launch this Sunday of the Chandrayaan 2 moon mission. The spacecraft will take two months to cruise to the moon. Following its arrival, it will manoeuvre into a circular orbit just 62 miles (100km) above the lunar surface. It will then deploy the Vikram lander early in September.
This will be India’s first attempt at a soft landing on the moon. If successful, it will make the country the fourth to achieve such a feat, after Russia, the US and China.
The chosen landing site is near the lunar south pole, where water ice has been detected in some permanently shadowed craters. Once safely down, the Vikram lander will release a small, six-wheeled rover named Pragyan.
The three components of the mission carry a full complement of scientific instruments. Among other things, they will study the moon’s mineral and chemical composition and its topology and seismology.
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Postby IndraD » 22 Jul 2019 00:31

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne ... UiDLL.html
Indian-origin woman convicted of robbery in London

Harpreet Kaur, 28, from Hounslow was found guilty at Inner London Crown Court on Friday of possession of articles to commit fraud

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Postby sudarshan » 23 Jul 2019 06:54

X-post from Chandrayan-2 thread:

Singha wrote:british burnol thread here

https://twitter.com/bbcbreaking/status/ ... 50848?s=12


The UK seems to be a country of ignorant psychotics. See how many times the comment of "heathen Indoos using our aid to fund their space program" comes up, even though it is refuted with links and evidence to the contrary every single time.

I counted 23 times so far - and almost every time some Indian guy keeps posting the same response (we don't get aid from you, educate yourself) with links. And again, like clockwork, three comments later - "why the **** do we give them aid???"

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Postby IndraD » 23 Jul 2019 16:46

sudarshan wrote:X-post from Chandrayan-2 thread:

Singha wrote:british burnol thread here

https://twitter.com/bbcbreaking/status/ ... 50848?s=12

my comment https://twitter.com/vagabondoc/status/1 ... 14881?s=20
also Jambvan and other BRF ite comments there

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby IndraD » 23 Jul 2019 19:47

Womanising, racist gaffe, love child & reckless: BoJo is the new PM of UK
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... w-18349295

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Postby nachiket » 24 Jul 2019 06:14

IndraD wrote:Womanising, racist gaffe, love child & reckless: BoJo is the new PM of UK
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... w-18349295

He should get along well with Trumpkin.

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Postby Manish_P » 24 Jul 2019 12:03

IndraD wrote:Womanising, racist gaffe, love child & reckless: BoJo is the new PM of UK
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... w-18349295


No mention of his turkish roots?

That would be politically incorrect i suppose..

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Postby g.sarkar » 25 Jul 2019 02:04

https://www.spiegel.de/international/eu ... 78073.html
Mad in Britain
How Boris Johnson Turned the British against Europe
Boris Johnson has always wanted to make it to the top, and he's almost there. The man who helped Brexit pass will now likely have the job of delivering it. But it's possible that even he doesn't know what he wants to do. Europe is in for a turbulent autumn.

Jörg Schindler, July 20, 2019
One day, Boris Johnson had the idea to build a luxuriant garden bridge in London. On another, he urgently pushed for an airport on an artificial island, mocked by detractors as "Boris Island." Once, he believed the time had come for a truly enormous construction that would connect England to Europe. And recently, he's been saying he would like to build a bridge connecting Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Johnson appears to dream of one day walking on water. For now, though, he simply wants to become Britain's next prime minister.
That's what brought him here to the seaside resort of Bournemouth in southern England. He ignores the thousands of Brits frolicking on the kilometer-long beach on this summer day, and instead marches straight into the Pavilion Theatre where the "Laugh Out Loud Comedy Club" regularly performs and the musical "Jesus Christ Superstar" will soon be staged. Around 600 members of the Conservative Party are sitting in the cream-colored theater and are currently in the process of electing a new leader -- who will also be Britain's next prime minister. There's not much excitement in the hall; the whole thing is more reminiscent of a funeral service than a coronation mass, though that probably has less to do with the desolate state of the Tories than with the advanced median age of the audience, which looks to be around 70.
The two top candidates each have one hour to charm their fellow party members in Bournemouth. Johnson gets to go first. Before the moderator has even finished speaking his name, the 55-year-old works his way around the stage set and marches forward with his bull-necked, compact posture, which always makes him look like a younger and blonder Winston Churchill. Then he rattles off witty remarks to the audience like volleys of gunfire. Are these dark times for the Tories? Yes, but "the night is darkest before dawn." Brexit? A piece of cake. All the doomsayers who warned of biblical droughts and skies without any airplanes didn't believe in the greatness of Great Britain. Boris Johnson says he will complete Britain's withdrawal from the EU "with style" and that he will no longer ask questions in Brussels, but instead dictate the way forward. "A little bit more resolve is necessary," he says. By this point, even the most elderly in the theater are cheering.
'Hunt Would Be More Competent, Boris More Amusing'
It's an entertaining and energetic performance, so very different from that of his challenger Jeremy Hunt, who has rolled his sleeves up to his elbow and memorized almost all the economic strongholds in southern England. But he manages only to gently lull his audience to sleep with facts and figures. Asked what his takeaway from Bournemouth is later, one conservative answers, "That Hunt would be the more competent prime minister, but that Boris would be more amusing." So, has Johnson's time finally come? Will this man who has had a role in shaping British politics for 30 years now be holding the keys to 10 Downing Street next Wednesday? It certainly seems so.
Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson still has to keep his notorious penchant for self-destruction in check during the final dash. And he has to secure the majority of votes from the Tory Party, which has around 160,000 members. And if he does succeed, he will also have to convince Her Royal Majesty Queen Elizabeth II that more than half of the elected parliamentarians in the British House of Commons back him. Otherwise, she might refuse to appoint him. But even at this point, it's hard to imagine Johnson not becoming Britain's 77th prime minister. He's too far ahead in the polls not to win, with seven out of 10 Tories saying they want to vote for him. The man who loves writing about great Englishmen like Churchill and Shakespeare will soon have the chance to show whether he is built of the same stuff.
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Postby ramana » 25 Jul 2019 06:59

Boris Johnson appoints Priti Patel as Interior Secy.
Looks like Gujjus are best Home Ministers!!!

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Postby chanakyaa » 25 Jul 2019 07:17

And, Sajid Javid became Britain’s finance minister (chancellor) succeeding Hammond. Pretty intense...

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Postby Kashi » 25 Jul 2019 08:43

Boris Johnson vs Jeremy Corbyn. Britain's choices suddenly seem quite unenviable.

Can any of our resident Brits chime in?

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Postby Haresh » 25 Jul 2019 15:56

Kashi wrote:Can any of our resident Brits chime in?


Boris is not quite the baffoon he is made out to be. He was a very successful mayor who served two terms.
Much is made about his "Moslem ancestor, this is just eyewash, his turkish ancestor was a non practising secular Turk who was murdered by a mob, no doubt peacefully.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Kemal
The man who arranged the murder had taken part in pogroms against religious minorities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nureddin_Pasha

His ex wife is part Sikh Punjabi " he married Marina Wheeler, a barrister and daughter of journalist and broadcaster Charles Wheeler and his wife, Dip Singh"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Wheeler

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... t-whos-who

Priti Patel is not the only Indian he has chosen, there is also Alok Sharma
Sajid Javid, although Pakistani origin is in reality an apostate.

"Other appointees who will also attend cabinet
Jacob Rees-Mogg has been appointed Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons. Rishi Sunak will also attend cabinet as chief secretary to the Treasury"

The left/liberal press are busy shouting the normal accusations "racism" "islamophobia" etc.
Boris has refused to toady to the peacefuls, his veil/niqab comments show his real opinions as do especially his article about islam having held the islamic world back, he also wrote a book called 72 virgins,

He will be good for the Indian community and will whip that islamist old fool corbyn.

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Postby IndraD » 26 Jul 2019 01:58

Rishi Sunak appointed Chief Secretary treasury is son in law of Narayan Murthy ^
Bojo is educated in a private school and Oxford. As stated successful mayor, for the first time there is a cabinet which actually believes in Brexit
and he has no love lost for Ummas , in 2007 he lamented ‘no spread of democracy’ in Islamic world which led to furore for Islamophobia in 2019

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Postby sudarshan » 26 Jul 2019 08:03

IndraD wrote:
sudarshan wrote:X-post from Chandrayan-2 thread:


my comment https://twitter.com/vagabondoc/status/1 ... 14881?s=20
also Jambvan and other BRF ite comments there


Good job, but is there a typo? Must have meant "why Britain sends aid to India?"

My dream in future, whenever an article on whatever is left of the UK comes up, Indians show up en masse to comment "nice to see our stolen $45 Trillion put to good use." But that's some way off.

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Postby sudeepj » 27 Jul 2019 21:31

IndraD wrote:Rishi Sunak appointed Chief Secretary treasury is son in law of Narayan Murthy ^
Bojo is educated in a private school and Oxford. As stated successful mayor, for the first time there is a cabinet which actually believes in Brexit
and he has no love lost for Ummas , in 2007 he lamented ‘no spread of democracy’ in Islamic world which led to furore for Islamophobia in 2019


Brits know how to maintain elite networks. Fornication, blackmail, bribery... All is fair.

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Postby darshan » 28 Jul 2019 05:53

Sri Lanka Says Parts of Illegal Waste Sent from UK was Offloaded to India and Dubai
https://www.news18.com/news/world/sri-l ... 47713.html
Colombo: A Sri Lankan investigation into nearly 3,000 tonnes of illegally imported hazardous waste has shown that some of it was sent on to India and Dubai, a top minister said on Friday. Finance Minister Mangala Samaraweera told parliament the importer of the waste had reshipped about 180 tonnes of raw garbage to India and Dubai in 2017 and 2018.

Sri Lanka's customs department found a local company imported 241 containers from Britain, out of which 15 had been sent to India and two to Dubai.

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Postby IndraD » 29 Jul 2019 01:43

UK needs an India reconnect under new PM Boris Johnson https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 413075.cms


David Cameron’s prime ministership was a real departure for British foreign policy towards the subcontinent when he publicly de-hyphenated India and Pakistan. He courted India as a booming economic power while Pakistan emerged as a problem state. May continued this trend though she was hobbled by the Brexit conundrum.

She was keen on concluding trade deals with India, China and the US after Brexit and had visited India in November 2016 with a large trade delegation to accelerate the process. This was her first foreign visit outside the EU, underscoring the importance India has come to occupy in the British foreign policy landscape.

But nothing much came of her visit, primarily because of British domestic challenges. Johnson too will have limited space to manoeuvre.

Soon after Narendra Modi‘s election victory in May, Johnson had tweeted that he looked forward to “an even closer partnership” between the two nations. As foreign secretary, he laid emphasis on the conclusion of a free trade pact with India though he had acknowledged that it would have to wait for the UK to formally come out of the EU. Meanwhile, talks seem to have already begun with US President Donald Trump suggesting that discussions on a “very substantial” trade deal with the UK are under way and that such a pact could lead to a “three to four, five times” increase in current trade.

For India, uncertainty in the UK continues to be a huge deterrent. Unless Britain resolves its relationship with the EU, New Delhi is on a waitand-watch mode. This despite the fact that trade between Britain and India has been growing at 17% per annum, with total trade volume touching $25 billion. The UK is the fourth largest investor in India while India is the third largest investor in the UK.

New Delhi has been insisting on easier immigration norms for Indians but, with the whole logic of Brexit relying on a tough stance against immigrants, London’s ability to manoeuvre is limited.

If Johnson can find some bandwidth to deal with issues beyond Brexit, he would recognise that a strong Indo-UK bilateral partnership is the need of our times. From education, health, culture, infrastructure, science and high technology to areas such as policing and intelligence, Britain is still a global leader. Britain’s sharing of its expertise can be key to building capacities in India.

While much has changed, the UK has not yet succeeded in articulating a broader strategic vision for its ties with India and this is related to its failure to view Asia beyond economics and trade. If Johnson can do this, something that he seems cognizant of, he would find a very willing partner in the Modi government.

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Postby Haresh » 29 Jul 2019 21:20

"the immigrant spirit, especially in the Chinese, Hindu and Jewish communities"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... r-comments

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Postby ramana » 29 Jul 2019 21:32

nachiket wrote:
IndraD wrote:Womanising, racist gaffe, love child & reckless: BoJo is the new PM of UK
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... w-18349295

He should get along well with Trumpkin.



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Postby ramana » 29 Jul 2019 21:37

May wanted to hang on to Vijay Mallya and Nirav Modi and other absconders.

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Postby Lisa » 29 Jul 2019 23:14

Haresh wrote:"the immigrant spirit, especially in the Chinese, Hindu and Jewish communities"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... r-comments


Hareshji,

Comrade Jeremy has signed numerous one day motions against India as his party takes their votes for granted. Strangely most Indians still vote Labour!

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Postby hgupta » 29 Jul 2019 23:32

Haresh wrote:PM Modi and Bear Grylls

https://twitter.com/BearGrylls/status/1 ... 7872579585


Right now there are a lot of attacks and criticisms being launched against Namo for doing this while Pulwarma attack happened. We need to respond forcefully that Namo had no idea that this attack would be forthcoming and it is not fair to criticise Namo for doing this especially when Namo is promoting India and her natural wildlife heritage.

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Postby Rony » 30 Jul 2019 02:10

Lisa wrote: Comrade Jeremy has signed numerous one day motions against India as his party takes their votes for granted. Strangely most Indians still vote Labour!


Majority of British-Indians voted Conservative in 2015 general election . But Labour still has 41% vote.

How the Conservatives stole the British Indian vote from Labour

The 2015 election saw the Conservatives receive 1m ethnic minority votes for the first time in its electoral history. And those votes came largely at Labour’s expense. A post-election survey by British Future showed the Tories enjoyed an eight percentage point advantage over Labour among Britain’s Hindu and Sikh communities. The Conservatives have 49% popularity among both ethno-religious groups, to Labour’s 41%.

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Postby Aditya_V » 30 Jul 2019 11:22

I think 25% of British Indians would be Muslims and some percentage of communists and those related to COngress networks from India another 10-15%. Thats the 40% labour constituency.

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Postby Barath » 30 Jul 2019 12:57

IndraD wrote:UK needs an India reconnect under new PM Boris Johnson https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 413075.cms




https://m.economictimes.com/news/econom ... 488526.cms

Despite the opinion, or a connect, I'm not sure anything has substantially changed to move india into the first tier of countries for a post Brexit FTA agreement. Sounded like too much hard work left to be done, and no obvious concessions willing to be given.

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Postby ricky_v » 30 Jul 2019 14:23

hgupta wrote:Right now there are a lot of attacks and criticisms being launched against Namo for doing this while Pulwarma attack happened. We need to respond forcefully that Namo had no idea that this attack would be forthcoming and it is not fair to criticise Namo for doing this especially when Namo is promoting India and her natural wildlife heritage.

What is this "we"?kindly desist from foisting your viewpoint on all. This is nobody's private army, people are not getting paid to promote or defend anybody. Also if the elected PM of a nation needs the help of a gang of nobodies on the net, then he has bigger problems.Or if he is so concerned he can start a troll farming scheme naming it "PM troll yojana", might solve the persistent unemployment issue.

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Postby Lisa » 31 Jul 2019 00:12

Rony wrote:.

How the Conservatives stole the British Indian vote from Labour

The 2015 election saw the Conservatives receive 1m ethnic minority votes for the first time in its electoral history. And those votes came largely at Labour’s expense. A post-election survey by British Future showed the Tories enjoyed an eight percentage point advantage over Labour among Britain’s Hindu and Sikh communities. The Conservatives have 49% popularity among both ethno-religious groups, to Labour’s 41%.


Rony,

The link you have provided is about the preceding election 2015, not the current 2017. The report by the Runnymead Trust that was done this year paints and entirely different picture. For your attention,

https://www.runnymedetrust.org/uploads/ ... iefing.pdf

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Postby Haresh » 31 Jul 2019 01:29

Lisa wrote:
Haresh wrote:"the immigrant spirit, especially in the Chinese, Hindu and Jewish communities"

Comrade Jeremy has signed numerous one day motions against India as his party takes their votes for granted. Strangely most Indians still vote Labour!


Lisa, the article is by Dominic Lawson.
Corbyn is anti-Indian, he has to be to get the moslem vote.
Do you have any links to these one day motions he has signed? I would be interested to spread them around to my Indian contacts.

Have a look at this link: https://opinionexpress.in/nri-special/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDi2klJBITE

Do some research on Kapil Dudakia

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Postby Katare » 31 Jul 2019 13:14

ricky_v wrote:
hgupta wrote:Right now there are a lot of attacks and criticisms being launched against Namo for doing this while Pulwarma attack happened. We need to respond forcefully that Namo had no idea that this attack would be forthcoming and it is not fair to criticise Namo for doing this especially when Namo is promoting India and her natural wildlife heritage.

What is this "we"?kindly desist from foisting your viewpoint on all. This is nobody's private army, people are not getting paid to promote or defend anybody. Also if the elected PM of a nation needs the help of a gang of nobodies on the net, then he has bigger problems.Or if he is so concerned he can start a troll farming scheme naming it "PM troll yojana", might solve the persistent unemployment issue.


Get off that high horse man, before you get hurt!!!!

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Postby Lisa » 01 Aug 2019 00:34

^^Hareshji

From a previous post of mine. Sorry do not know how to link a prior post so just copied and pasted. Do be careful, my "political colours" were questioned when I posted this!

"Posted: 01 May 2018 08:49

Just an addendum to the post above with regard to Comrade Jeremy,

He has support the following,

Early day motion 479
NARENDRA MODI
Session: 2013-14
Date tabled: 04.09.2013

Sponsors: Galloway, George Corbyn, Jeremy Meale, Alan Godsiff, Roger McDonnell, John
That this House calls on the Secretary of State for the Home Department to reinstitute the ban on Gujarat's Chief Minister, Narendra Modi, from entering the UK, given his role in the communal violence in 2002 that claimed the lives of hundreds if not thousands of Muslims, including British nationals; expresses its concern that the ban was lifted for economic and diplomatic reasons, ignoring the role Mr Modi and his administration played in the violence that warranted the ban that stood for more than 10 years; notes that Mr Modi was previously denied a visa on grounds that he was 'responsible for or directly carried out... particularly severe violations of religious freedom'; and calls on Mr Speaker and the House authorities to ban Mr Modi from entering the Palace of Westminster.

https://www.parliament.uk/edm/2013-14/479

and also

Early day motion 257
HUMANITARIAN SITUATION IN INDIA
Session: 2015-16

That this House notes the enduring hunger strike of Bapu Surat Singh in Panjaab, India, which has now exceeded 170 days; further notes this protest against the Indian state and calls for the release of multiple political prisoners who are held by the Indian state; notes the continuing 20-year incarceration of Devinderpal Singh Bhullar, whose conviction and imprisonment in 1995 has been widely criticised; notes the lack of medical care offered to Dr Gokarakonda Naga Saibaba whilst in detention and the ban on Indian Greenpeace activist Priya Pillai from coming to the UK to address British MPs; notes the ongoing 14-year hunger strike of Irom Sharmila in Manipur protesting against Indian army human rights abuses; notes the Indian government's ban on the BBC's documentary India's Daughter in March 2015 and its attempts to block the broadcasting of the same in the UK; notes the current Amnesty International special report on human rights atrocities in Kashmir entitled India: accountability still missing for human rights violations in Jammu and Kashmir and its annual report on India for 2014-15; believes that given the UK's so-called special relationship with India as declared by the Prime Minister, these concerns should be raised with the Indian government; and urges the Government to investigate the reports and raise concerns with the Indian government.

https://www.parliament.uk/edm/2015-16/257

also,

Early day motion 945
ATTACK ON GOLDEN TEMPLE AT AMRITSAR IN 1984
https://www.parliament.uk/edm/2013-14/945

Early day motion 882
INDIA'S DAUGHTER AND ENDING VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN
https://www.parliament.uk/edm/2014-15/882

and yes, yes he also has an interest in chimney collapses in India!!

Early day motion 779
CHIMNEY COLLAPSE AT VEDANTA RESOURCES BALCO OPERATIONS IN CHHATTISGARH STATE, INDIA
https://www.parliament.uk/edm/2014-15/779

and yet Indians would care to vote for him!"

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby g.sarkar » 04 Aug 2019 15:41

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... l-election
Boris Johnson’s U.K. Majority Cut to One After Special-Election Defeat
By Thomas Penny and Joe Mayes
August 1, 2019
The anti-Brexit Liberal Democrats won a by-election in Brecon and Radnorshire, reducing Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s House of Commons majority to a single seat and making his balancing act more difficult as he seeks to deliver Brexit by Oct. 31.
Jane Dodds of the Liberal Democrats won 13,826 votes, beating Conservative Chris Davies on 12,401. Dodds overturned Davies’s majority of 8,038, as he stood for re-election in the Welsh constituency even after being recalled in a petition prompted by his conviction for faking expenses claims.
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Gautam

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Karan M » 04 Aug 2019 16:16

ricky_v wrote:
hgupta wrote:Right now there are a lot of attacks and criticisms being launched against Namo for doing this while Pulwarma attack happened. We need to respond forcefully that Namo had no idea that this attack would be forthcoming and it is not fair to criticise Namo for doing this especially when Namo is promoting India and her natural wildlife heritage.

What is this "we"?kindly desist from foisting your viewpoint on all. This is nobody's private army, people are not getting paid to promote or defend anybody. Also if the elected PM of a nation needs the help of a gang of nobodies on the net, then he has bigger problems.Or if he is so concerned he can start a troll farming scheme naming it "PM troll yojana", might solve the persistent unemployment issue.


Cool down, and be polite. He was making a general comment. Those who believe in what he said can concur and support him. If you don't, then don't. No need to be so excitable and start engaging in name calling "gang of nobodies on the net", "PM troll yojana" etc.

No need for a reply either. This is just a soft caution to keep the peace, take it in the right spirit and move on.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Rony » 04 Aug 2019 18:05

Lisa wrote: Rony,

The link you have provided is about the preceding election 2015, not the current 2017. The report by the Runnymead Trust that was done this year paints and entirely different picture. For your attention,

https://www.runnymedetrust.org/uploads/ ... iefing.pdf


As per the link i provided, in 2015, 49% of British - Indians voted Conservative . As per your link, in 2017, 40% voted conservative. Taken together, it appears that British-Indian support to Conservatives dropped 9 points from 2015 to 2017 from 49% to 40%. It would be interesting to analyse the reasons for that. But still the trend of British-Indians moving towards Conservatives from Labour is clear as the report you quoted says.


One minority group did noticeably increase its support for the Conservatives in both 2017 and 2015 – British Indians, and Hindus in particular. From 30% in 2010, the Conservatives share of the votes of British Indians went up to 40% in 2017. This increase is steady across elections, supporting the idea that it is built on underlying demographic changes combined with sustained campaigning by the Conservatives. Hindus are the ethnic minority group that most fits the stylised story of generational political change in Britain. As this electorate is increasingly made up of the UK-born children of immigrants, rather than their parents, who faced more discrimination on arrival and tend to be employed in working-class occupations, Hindu voters have become more similar to right-wing white voters: more middle-class, more suburban, wealthier. The fact that this demographic story applies to other minority groups too, however, suggests that it is also the campaigning and policy choices of parties that are driving this relationship
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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Rony » 04 Aug 2019 18:27

Boris Johnson could be the last prime minister of the United Kingdom

In Scotland, he was booed by pro-European and pro-Scottish independence supporters. Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland's First Minister and leader of the pro-Independence Scottish National Party, told local media that Johnson didn't have the "guts" to face Scottish people during his visit.

In Wales, he was criticized for not having a plan to prevent the most severe repercussions of a no-deal Brexit, especially for Welsh farmers. Mark Drakefield, Wales' First Minister, said that Johnson demonstrated a "deeply concerning lack of detail."

And in Northern Ireland, which faces the gravest consequences of no deal -- the erection of a hard border with the Republic of Ireland and the terrifying reality of a return to the dark days of sectarian violence -- Johnson was greeted by protesters holding up signs saying that "Brexit means borders."

Preserving the Union is critical to the party that Johnson now leads, formally called the Conservative and Unionist Party. However, Unionism isn't as fashionable as it once was among the UK's electorate -- and that's become especially true after the Brexit referendum.
"I wouldn't be at all surprised if no deal (Brexit) ends being looked at by historians as the event that breaks up the UK," says Rob Ford, professor of politics at the University of Manchester. Ford explains that the strongest support for Brexit comes from English nationalist voters, who don't care much for the Union. "They regard it as not very interesting. And when they view it as an obstacle to Brexit, they will see it as something to throw under the bus."

So, in England, the most populous and powerful part of the UK, Brexit is more closely aligned to a England-first/Britain-first cause. This is where things get interesting.


Northern Ireland

Across the Irish Sea, things look very different. The most vocal pro-Brexit support in Northern Ireland comes from Unionists, who see any kind of separation from the UK mainland as unthinkable. If it comes down to the choice of a border between the Republic of Ireland or a sea border with Britain, it's going to be the former, every time. On the flipside of Unionism is Irish republicanism, which prioritizes no border between the two Irelands at any cost. The most hardline Irish republicans would ultimately like to see Northern Ireland reunited with the rest of Ireland.

A recent Northern Ireland Life and Times survey confirmed that, in the context of Brexit, people who identify as Irish are still in favor of a united Ireland, while those who feel more British have hardened their opposition to unification. However, the survey also revealed that over the past 20 years, more Northern Irish citizens than ever have come to identify as neither unionist nor republican.
And while this group might not be active cheerleaders for a united Ireland, they are starting to see it as an inevitable consequence of a no-deal Brexit.


Put simply, "people who are already sympathetic to Irish unity say Brexit is making them increasingly in favour of it, while those who already oppose Irish unity say that Brexit is making them opposed," explains Katy Hayward, a senior fellow at the think tank UK in a Changing Europe.



Scotland

In Scotland, "opposition to independence now lines up with support for Brexit," says Rob Ford. He explains that when the SNP embraced a second independence vote in order to join the EU, Euroskeptic Scots will have thought, "why would we trade rule from London for rule from Brussels?"

This left the field wide open for Nicola Sturgeon and her SNP to become the party of remain in Scotland.

Scotland had a vote on independence back in 2014. It voted to stick with the UK by a margin of 55% to 45%. It was at the time described as a "once-in-a-generation" referendum. Then Brexit happened.

When you consider that 62% of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and that Johnson's Conservative Party is now agitating for the hardest form of Brexit, you start to see why Scottish nationalists are feeling optimistic about a second independence vote.

So, in Northern Ireland and Scotland, the pro-remain majorities (56% and 62% respectively) could well be pulling away from Johnson's unionist embrace.


Wales

The picture is slightly different in Wales, which voted to leave the EU and doesn't have a strong independence movement. But what Wales does have is a strong nationalist movement that historically dislikes the Conservative Party and loathes Johnson's no-deal rhetoric.

Johnson's biggest problem here is alienating these voters and effectively handing more Welsh parliamentary seats to opposition parties.
A case in point was Thursday's byelection in the Welsh region of Brecon and Radnorshire, when one of his own lawmakers was robbed of their parliamentary seat.


Conclusion

The Boris Johnson premiership could ultimately be defined then by a fight between nationalist movements. If the early days of his time in power are anything to go by, that means doubling down on the English vote. And as Rob Ford explains, "relative to any other group of nationalists, they're the 600-pound gorilla in the fight between all the UK's nationalists. They can throw anyone else out the ring."
It seems unlikely that Johnson's "do or die" politics can smooth over all four corners of the UK, at least before Brexit is delivered. If an election were to suddenly be called -- something most observers in the UK are expecting -- then appealing to the whole Union might not be a wise electoral strategy. And if the English gorilla does throw the rest of the UK out of the ring, its smaller siblings might decide not to climb back in. And there's a very good chance that England's voters won't particularly care.


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