Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

[kit]

India should consider its position in the commonwealth

With all this trash talking of/propaganda against India/Hindus/GoI,
why is the GoI and High Commission so mute and helpless?

This is a country/people that cannot protect its children from pakistani rapists.

India should tell them they have chosen pakistan and it should makes its future with them.
Scotland is already pakistani and England is heading that way.

Also, all these so-called MPs/media types….. the dirty lying brown skin types will have India visa/pio cards… these should be on the chopping block.

Any MPs telling lies and trashing India/GOI should be person non grata as should similar media types.
Start with that Stupid Singh wearing the red turban.

Also I heard an MP say that India is begging for a trade deal? Is this true?
India should tell them to go and make trade deals with pakistan and the islamic world.

People need to start choosing sides on what will be a long/ongoing battle.

Being quiet and sitting around does not work and writing letters to those indulging in out and out lies and propaganda does not work…

DO NOT ENGAGE…. TELL THEM WHERE TO GO….ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS


Is this worth a separate thread?

A thread to deal with all countries doing such trash talk and how to hit back?

quite true !

[Varoon Shekhar]

Why identitarians can’t handle the Hindus

Their unwillingness to play the victim does not go down well with the woke left

True as far as the UK itself goes, for the most part. But the question is, when Hindus are actually victims, the Left is nowhere to be seen or heard. Jammu and Kashmir, Pakistan, Bangladesh, to some extent Afghanistan, and one dares say elsewhere. Or when Hindus are killed in terrorist attacks in India outside of Kashmir.

What the left detests here, is the idea of Hindus being victims of Moslems and Islamism. That doesn't fit in with the narrative they are pushing.

[sanjaykumar]

Now for something completely different.


Just like his hero Winston Churchill, Boris Johnson could win the war – but then lose the peace to Labour

https://www.independent.co.uk/independe ... 59116.html


I guess they dismiss American or Russian perspectives, lesser breeds that they are. In fact Churchill bleated, we are saved America has entered the war.

The past is indeterminate not only in Soviet Russia.

[KL Dubey]

Meanwhile, Mallayya inching closer to a glorious return to Bharat and becoming an official guest of the goremint:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/vijay-mallya-loses-plea-against-his-extradition-in-uk-high-court/articleshow/75249392.cms

[Vips]

Sweet Irony. The ultimate authority who will decide his fate is another Indian - Priti Patel Cabinet Minister in UK. She can either grant his appeal and allow him to stay in UK or reject it and order his extradition to India.

[vimal]

Why identitarians can’t handle the Hindus

In many ways, the precarious position of the Indian community in East Asia strongly resembled that of the Jews in Eastern Europe. The East European Jewish community was frequently used by the local aristocracy to collect taxes and carry out administrative duties that directly affected the lives of people. Jewish merchants and businessmen were often envied by their Christian neighbours, and were constantly accused of gaining their wealth through dishonest means. And like the Indian communities in East Africa, Jews faced the resentment and animosity of their less well-off neighbours.

There is a further parallel between the two groups. Like Hindus today, Jews have also fallen out of favour with the identitarian left. It seems that in the hierarchy of identity groups, some are less deserving of sympathy than others.

[sanjaykumar]

Thanks for posting this and the therein referenced article by Neha Shah.

The left perhaps dismisses Hindus as the black American term has it, 'acting white'.

It is correct that there is little consent to play the victim. A brilliant Hindoo physician in my area was the subject of retribution when a case mismanagement was politely brought to the attention of a well connected physician. Instead of hiding and whinging about discrimination, he put the senior fellow through years of FUD, a process sure to accelerate coronary calcification. He declined two offers of settlement insisting on a very public examination of the facts.

There is no doubt, there is no substitute for education, an excellent command of English and a willingness to forgo playing victim. If that is playing white, so be it.

[chetak]

Anybody wants anything from London,

Vijay is coming

[RKumar]

Anybody wants anything from London,

Vijay is coming

How about a bottle of Scottish whisky and a container full of Indian looted money in Pounds

[Avtar Singh]

In the Useless Kingdom the pakistani office/sorry I meant Home Office…
replies to petition demanding release of grooming gang report…..
There were no pakistanis involved it was everyone not just “south asians”
the quote from response is in GREEN

I think the response was written by the bbc/grauniad/ch4/nyt/wapo

bang bang the mighty fall….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRJpBpvr-ZY


Taken over/infected by the very virus they created.

europe/sweden all going the same way…
someday (hopefully) the barbarians will storm the gates of vatican city, talk about just deserts…
their own bureacracies/politicians will cheer it on


“Child sexual abusers come from all walks of life, and from many different age groups, communities, ethnicities and faiths.”



https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300239

PetitionRelease the Home Office's Grooming Gang Review in full
The Government is refusing to release official research on the characteristics of grooming gangs, claiming it is not in the “public interest”.
We, the British public, demand the release of the official research on grooming gangs undertaken by the Government in full.

[Rony]

British Hindus excluded from Labour's roundtable examining Covid impact on BAME

The Labour Party has announced a review into why the Covid-19 pandemic is disproportionately impacting people from black,Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) backgrounds in Britain but has bizarrely excluded Hindus from the roundtable to launch it, though Sikhs and Muslims were invited.

The leader of the Labour Party, Sir Keir Starmer, invited representatives from the Muslim Council of Britain, Operation Black Vote, the Sikh Federation (UK), the Sikh Network and the Jewish Medical Association to take part in its digital roundtable on Friday to kick off the review. The Hindu Forum of Britain and Hindu Council UK, the two largest umbrella organisations that represent Hindus in Britain, confirmed to TOI that they had were not invited.

"If you are discussing the impact of Covid-19 on BAME and frontline workers, don’t you think Hindus should be invited ? Hindu professionals are working in frontline jobs in large numbers. We are disappointed," said Rajnish Kashyap, general secretary at Hindu Council UK.

"This is a very worrying development. We are part of the BAME community. Many Hindus doctors work in the NHS, and many Hindus, including doctors, have died of Covid-19," added Anil Bhanot, director of Interfaith Relations at the Hindu Council UK.

"We were hoping things would change under Keir Starmer but it looks like he is taking an anti-India pro-Islamic stance, like his predecessor Jeremy Corbyn, under pressure from the Momentum (hard-left) wing of the party and the shadow cabinet he has appointed. Yet Corbyn was rejected by the public. The faith communities have worked hard for cohesion in the UK and now we see Labour politicians dividing us."

At the last Census, in 2011, 1.5 % of the UK population (817,000 people) identified themselves as Hindu, and up to April 21 this year 492 Indian -origin people had died of Covid-19 in Britain, making Indians the highest of any ethnic minority to die of the virus in the UK, and 3% of all Covid-19 UK deaths.

[Rony]

How technology and faith are helping Hindus in Britain through Covid-19

[Vips]

British Hindus excluded from Labour's roundtable examining Covid impact on BAME

The Labour Party has announced a review into why the Covid-19 pandemic is disproportionately impacting people from black,Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) backgrounds in Britain but has bizarrely excluded Hindus from the roundtable to launch it, though Sikhs and Muslims were invited.

The leader of the Labour Party, Sir Keir Starmer, invited representatives from the Muslim Council of Britain, Operation Black Vote, the Sikh Federation (UK), the Sikh Network and the Jewish Medical Association to take part in its digital roundtable on Friday to kick off the review. The Hindu Forum of Britain and Hindu Council UK, the two largest umbrella organisations that represent Hindus in Britain, confirmed to TOI that they had were not invited.

"If you are discussing the impact of Covid-19 on BAME and frontline workers, don’t you think Hindus should be invited ? Hindu professionals are working in frontline jobs in large numbers. We are disappointed," said Rajnish Kashyap, general secretary at Hindu Council UK.

"This is a very worrying development. We are part of the BAME community. Many Hindus doctors work in the NHS, and many Hindus, including doctors, have died of Covid-19," added Anil Bhanot, director of Interfaith Relations at the Hindu Council UK.

"We were hoping things would change under Keir Starmer but it looks like he is taking an anti-India pro-Islamic stance, like his predecessor Jeremy Corbyn, under pressure from the Momentum (hard-left) wing of the party and the shadow cabinet he has appointed. Yet Corbyn was rejected by the public. The faith communities have worked hard for cohesion in the UK and now we see Labour politicians dividing us."

At the last Census, in 2011, 1.5 % of the UK population (817,000 people) identified themselves as Hindu, and up to April 21 this year 492 Indian -origin people had died of Covid-19 in Britain, making Indians the highest of any ethnic minority to die of the virus in the UK, and 3% of all Covid-19 UK deaths.

UK's Labour party leader Keir Starmer says Kashmir bilateral issue between India and Pakistan.

As always Britishers Brishitters are duplicitious.

[g.sarkar]

British Hindus excluded from Labour's roundtable examining Covid impact on BAME

UK's Labour party leader Keir Starmer says Kashmir bilateral issue between India and Pakistan.
As always Britishers Brishitters are duplicitious.

And we have already forgotten and forgiven Debbie Abrahams. She is welcome to return.
Gautam

[schinnas]

This is a big and welcome stance by the labor party and India and NRIs should push it with other left liberal parties and leaders in US and Europe.

Key points to note:
1. No interference in the internal matters of Indian constitution which is the job of Indian parliament and judiciary. (ex: CAA)
2. Kashmir is a bilateral matter between India and Pakistan.
3. They retain their right to voice against human rights violations anywhere in the world.

#1 and #2 are echoing Indian and MEA stance. Very welcome step. Good course correction after Corbyn left.

#3 is their ideological right and it's OK as long as it's based on facts, seen in context, and not based on propaganda or magnifying isolated abberations.

[Lisa]

Personally,

2. Kashmir is a bilateral matter between India and Pakistan.

2. Kashmir is an Indian matter.

[schinnas]

No. Kashmir is a bilateral matter unless you want to forget PoK and G&B. It is also the official bi-partisan stance of successive Indian governments.

[Bart S]

As always Britishers Brishitters are duplicitious.

Can't take the about turn from Labour at face value. It may be just taqqiya, and the rank and file of labour have been significantly radicalized (both in the commie and the Islamist sense) over the last decade.

[IndraD]

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... y-starving
Several Indian students in UK starving

[eklavya]

As always Britishers Brishitters are duplicitious.

Can't take the about turn from Labour at face value. It may be just taqqiya, and the rank and file of labour have been significantly radicalized (both in the commie and the Islamist sense) over the last decade.

It could be worth giving Keir Starmer the benefit of the doubt:

After Corbyn, UK Labour elects Keir Starmer, Zionist with Jewish wife, as leader

Keir Starmer repositions Labour on Kashmiri conflict

Islamic radicals and fundamentalists felt at home in a Labour Party led by a supporter of terrorism like Jeremy Corbyn. Let’s see if they will leave the Labour Party led by a leader who is intent on having good relations with the Indian and Jewish communities.

[ramana]

Congrats to UK Hindus in forcing Labour Party to recant their wrong policy on Kashmir.

Kudos.

[Lisa]

No. Kashmir is a bilateral matter unless you want to forget PoK and G&B. It is also the official bi-partisan stance of successive Indian governments.

You are mistaken Sir, PoK and G&B are part of Kashmir. They have always been. I repeat again,

2. Kashmir is an Indian matter.

[chetak]

Congrats to UK Hindus in forcing Labour Party to recant their wrong policy on Kashmir.

Kudos.

they are commies, saar.

they have taqiya ingrained in their blood

just as the Hindus have gullibility ingrained in their blood and psyche

for the commies, it's a situationally opportunistic stance and temporary at best.

[schinnas]

No. Kashmir is a bilateral matter unless you want to forget PoK and G&B. It is also the official bi-partisan stance of successive Indian governments.

You are mistaken Sir, PoK and G&B are part of Kashmir. They have always been. I repeat again,

2. Kashmir is an Indian matter.

That is for GoI to decide, would you agree? Since we don't have control of these territories, it becomes a bilateral matter.

[Lisa]

NO I do not agree. If the Government of India says otherwise, they are wrong. These thoughts of bilarality are a congress legacy and I reject them completely. The fate of the pukis from our perspective must be that of incremental punishment leading to their complete destruction as this is the ONLY way we will FREE these lands from their illegal occupation.

[chetak]

You are mistaken Sir, PoK and G&B are part of Kashmir. They have always been. I repeat again,

2. Kashmir is an Indian matter.

That is for GoI to decide, would you agree? Since we don't have control of these territories, it becomes a bilateral matter.

is junagadh a bilateral matter, what about hyderabad and bhopal

the demented pakis claim them even today so is it an internal matter or a bilateral issue

[Yagnasri]

As per the Indian constitution, it is part of India. It is Indian internal matter. The only issue is how we force pakis to vacate what is not theirs. That is all. They have no locus in any Indian land including what they are illegally occupied.

Never trust Labour or any leftist party in the west. It will always be pro Jihadi and anti-Hindu and by that extension anti-India. The world level brotherhood of leftist and Jihadis is now fully entrenched.

[Haresh]

Over 100 UK mosques ask Labour leader to withdraw occupied Kashmir comments

Won't be long and the UK will have it's own moslem party

https://www.geo.tv/latest/287391-over-1 ... r-comments

[panduranghari]

That is for GoI to decide, would you agree? Since we don't have control of these territories, it becomes a bilateral matter.

Thats exactly how Pakis who like to look reasonable speak.

[chetak]

COVID-19: Half of Brits repatriated globally are from India

15th May 2020

LONDON: India has had the largest chunk of repatriations of Britons stranded overseas in the coronavirus lockdown, with nearly half of those brought home on 64 special flights coming from Indian cities.

The UK government said that more than 16,500 travellers have now returned to the UK over the past 38 days as part of a "huge logistical operation" to return stranded British nationals from 32 locations across the length and breadth of India.

"The last currently scheduled charter flight left for London Heathrow from Amritsar today with over 300 passengers on board," Jan Thompson, Acting High Commissioner to India, said on Friday.

"This unprecedented repatriation effort would not have been possible without the excellent support of the Indian government.

Continued cooperation between our nations will be essential in the fight against this pandemic," she said.

The British High Commission in New Delhi described the repatriation process as a large and complex operation, with over 500 members of staff in India working around the clock to ensure flights operated smoothly and passengers could reach airports.

The strict lockdown in place across India meant it was vital to work hand-in-hand with the government of India and local authorities to transport passengers over large distances, the mission said.

[Lisa]

Over 100 UK mosques ask Labour leader to withdraw occupied Kashmir comments

Won't be long and the UK will have it's own moslem party

https://www.geo.tv/latest/287391-over-1 ... r-comments

Perfect. Mosques making such statements automatically lose their charitable status and have to pay tax.

[schinnas]

That is for GoI to decide, would you agree? Since we don't have control of these territories, it becomes a bilateral matter.

Thats exactly how Pakis who like to look reasonable speak.

Well, I hope you can raise the level of the discourse from cheap ad hominism.

[Aldonkar]

Congrats to UK Hindus in forcing Labour Party to recant their wrong policy on Kashmir.

Kudos.

There is just one constituency in England where Hindu voters have the numbers to swing the vote. This is Harrow East in the London suburbs where a large number of East African Indians (my mother included) and more prosperous Hindus from India have settled. It was a Labour stronghold in days past but in the last two or three elections has voted Conservative. The hindu voters in other areas have moved away from Labour especially after the Kashmir motion at the Labour general assembly.

Muslims have made a concerted attempt to get on the Labour ticket. In my constituency Labour (about 5% minorities of all kinds) Labour brought in a female candidate from nearby Watford (surnamed Ahmed) in place of an English woman who was active in local politics. The incumbent Conservative won easily.

My neighbours are very impressed with Rishi Sunak (aged 39) and are touting him as a future Prime Minister. Who thought that the party of Churchill would come to this!

[ArjunPandit]

Thats exactly how Pakis who like to look reasonable speak.

Well, I hope you can raise the level of the discourse from cheap ad hominism.

calm down folks..calm down..ideally an internal issue but practically and realistically we have to make the papis move aside..of course british have historical role and perpetual interest..
anyways its might determines the right..thing..i think india should settle these issues before we reach to the level of china so that the world can not needle us on these issues..

[Lisa]

Apologies if already posted.

Why identitarians can’t handle the Hindus

Their unwillingness to play the victim does not go down well with the woke left.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/03/0 ... Y1gR-tVYgI

[vishvak]

Was discussed earlier and subsequent posts.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7348&start=3000#p2418156
From the above

..What struck me at the time were Indians’ isolation, their lack of political power and influence. Their subsequent expulsion from East Africa, and the ease with which much of their wealth was expropriated by the emerging African oligarchy, highlighted their precarious existence.

The isolation first and subsequent expulsion followed by 'expropriation' seemed to be the aim, in the past,

..It ignores the other reasons for the achievements of the Hindu community in Britain. These include hard work, a robust family system of mutual help, an orientation towards entrepreneurship, and a willingness to take education seriously.

The 'other' reasons may be the real reasons that don't go well with certain votebank s. Or is demagogue correct exact word.

[ArjunPandit]

BBC just got blocked for me, as per message “Your requested URL has been blocked as per the directions received from Department of Telecommunications, Government of India.”

They have been rabble rousing quite a bit these days. It has been practice for Indian news outlets to never identify specific acts of specific communities in riots so as to not inflame passions, but BBC has so far been spared of this self-monitoring. Maybe that is the reason they are blocked now.

economist as well. They have been so anti india. Openly using derogatory terms such as babus, sniping modi govt bereft of any facts like FT. it is remarkable how anti indian these folks are or perhaps it is their indian correspondents who are doing the whiteman's bidding

[Shwetank]

[Lisa]

David Icke, one of the interviewes also beleives that in the correct light, members of the royal family can be seen for what they really are, reptiles and 5G is the cause of the Wuhan virus!

[Avtar Singh]

^^^
this is just english eccentricity where people mouth of all sorts of stuff,
sometimes just to have a go and nothing more than that.
a trait now being banned to bring in "islamaphobia" legislation

also the FT is a hindu hating rag as much as BBC/CH4 are hindu haters and pro pak
some on here will remember, back in the day...

the FT India corespondent Edward Luce writing all sorts of trash about
"right wing" BJP and anti PM Vajpayee nonsense,

late 1990s if memory serves me