Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby g.sarkar » 22 Apr 2018 00:17

A little old, I apologize if already posted:
https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/worl ... it-new-low
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Updated : April 2, 2018, 11:10 AM
Under Theresa May, UK-India relations have hit a new low
As Theresa May battles to ensure her MPs pass another vote on the EU Withdrawal Bill and the BJP fights for the PM’s home state of Gujarat, it is worthwhile to examine the status of UK-India relations. Following May’s entry into No. 10 in July 2016, bilateral relations became disenfranchised, largely attributed to adviser Nick Timothy’s antipathy to centre-right leaders such as Donald Trump, Malcom Turnbull and Narendra Modi. Sources close to No. 10, at that time, claim that Timothy briefed Conservatives to distance themselves from the BJP and to look upon Narendra Modi as a “Hindu nationalist”. At the World Economic Forum, Davos in January 2017, there was already a buzz about how Timothy had alienated India.
This attitude was completely at odds with the favourable relations David Cameron had achieved with India, US and Germany. Cameron strengthened an International Department with a dedicated International Secretary, Colin Bloom, who was also in charge of international outreach. Bloom realised favourable communications with Ram Madhav, fulfilling party chairman Lord Feldman’s initiative of bringing the BJP into the International Democrat Union, against the initial reluctance of the Christian Democratic Union in Germany. Mark Field MP, then vice chairman (international) of the Conservative Party, forged ahead with building relationships with international sister parties on the centre-right and obtained Angela Merkel’s agreement. Cameron was committed to promoting bilateral relations with India and gave Modi an unprecedented welcome to London in November 2015, inviting him to Chequers, the country house of the UK Prime Minister, and Modi was represented on Tory 2016 election campaign material.
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As Home Minister, May has a track record of being unsympathetic to India, particularly in respect to immigration. It is not long ago May despatched vans to Southall, Hounslow and Harrow with the slogan “go home or face arrest”. During this brutal crackdown against illegals, some genuine students were trapped into deportation. Small wonder that May’s visit to India bore no fruit; May had nothing to offer and the back channel to the BJP had been closed on the advice of her closest adviser.
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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby g.sarkar » 22 Apr 2018 00:33

https://www.firstpost.com/world/narendr ... 39141.html
Narendra Modi in UK: British media focusses on post-Brexit trade deals, but also dubs India a 'republic of fear'
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The Guardian noted that the deal with UK might not be as lucrative as the India-European Union (EU) trade deal as Modi's priority was a free trade deal with the EU. Unless the UK makes "major concessions" on Indian skilled labour, the chances of Britain securing a trade deal with India "superior" to that of the Indian-EU deal is wishful thinking, the London-based newspaper noted.
Prime Minister Theresa May, who is hoping to secure a free trade agreement with India after Brexit said: "Our trade partnership is showing how we can remove barriers to increase trade between our two countries." Total trade in goods and services between Britain and India was £18 billion in 2017. Modi also said that there will be no dilution in the importance of the UK to India post-Brexit. "Britain will be just as important to India after it leaves the EU as it is now," Modi reportedly said.
That Modi became the first prime minister in just under a decade to attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) of 2018, justified the lavish treatment of the prime minister by his counterpart and the British Royal family. The last CHOGM attended by India was by former prime minister Manmohan Singh at Port of Spain in 2009. "The 2011 edition in Perth was boycotted by Manmohan (Singh) on account of Australia's reversal of the decision to export uranium to India. New Delhi also gave the 2013 event in Colombo a miss after taking note of the charges of massive human rights violations against Tamils by Sri Lanka. In 2015, Modi sent External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj to Malta in his stead," a Firstpost article noted.
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Postby Philip » 22 Apr 2018 07:01

Don't expect London to do anything.London- and I'm using the word deliberately becos Scotland, Wales and Ireland (Republic) think differently from the entrenched domination and bias of the English.

London has over decades collected the scum of the earth and from its former colonies deliberately to instigate or fan the flames of issues back home , which may or may not be due to the incompetence or bigotry of their rulers.These problems which should be sorted out by the " natives " themselves, are instead used to beat the natives into humiliating submission to their various diktats in the name of human rights by the white western powers. In particular the racist "5 eyes" grouping of white
Anglo-Saxon origin states of the UK, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand- the last often dissenting with mother UK and the US in the past over nuclear policies, and recently refusing to expel Russian spies becos , as it's PM said, there aren't any involved in activities described by the Brits!

This racist group has a privileged intel arrangement that it does not share with even its NATO members or yellow race allies like SoKo or Japan.

The racist leader of the pack, the UK, use these natives living in Britain as their 5th- column ,to fan the flames of these issues, of sedition in particular back home, using these scumbags happily enjoying British immunity. They foment trouble including acts of terror, using their local connections .These agent provocateurs are also used to instigate public demos against native rulers who come- a- visiting London ,to bow and scrape to the White Queen for tea and cucumber sandwiches at Buck House !

After the formalities of latter-day grovelling are over, the coloured natives then meet Mother Theresa the Pretender, whose humanity is as far removed from the saintly original as the planet Pluto is from the sun.Where the original cared for the sick and dying, the pretender hyperventilates in the house of hypocrisy, screaming " bomb them!, bomb them!" , as she has just demonstrated in Syria. She dare not bomb Russians as the response would be terribly humiliating for a flea-bitten ex-empire, so she screams instead , " expel them! expel them!", as she would like to do to the immigrant community being displayed at this very moment with early immigrants from the Caribbean nations who are also CW members! MT the Pretender, then proceeds to rap the native visitor on the knuckles over human rights back home before extracting trade deals beneficial to London.

This despicable and nauseating hypocrisy of London has to be eradicated by "pest control" in any CW-2. India leading the pack of native ex-colonies, must demand its ton of flesh..and blood, for the injuries that London still subjects its ex- colonies to.The scumbags who have made Britain their " bunker" from which they can shell nations like India with ammo made in the UK, or escape to with their loot from our public exchequer, has to end.They must be neutralised, deported or London suffer the consequences.

Trade is the best weapon to use.A boycott English goods campaign is one option and I am sure others will have their own especial ideas.Box on!

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Hari Seldon » 22 Apr 2018 07:53

Why give any importance to UKstan at all, I wonder only.

Theek hai, NM went there, had his say aimed also at a domestic audience and moved on.

Its no secret UKstan routinely kowtows to PRC diktats. I don't see too many cheeni 'dissidents', criminals, venal baboons etc being invited and sheltered by UQ. Prolly coz PRC doesn't take any BS or lecturing or harangue-ing from 'em gora sahibs. Only.

India must like-wise show the finger to brishit 'sensitivities' (if there are any) and flatly reject any sermonizing from the briturd state. With the nonchalance and righteous elan the PRC manages to muster, (if) only.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby sunnyP » 22 Apr 2018 23:26

eklavya wrote:^^^^^
That in-bred half-wit terrorists act like this is not surprising. For any Sikh, whose people are historically the greatest victims of the in-bred half-wits, to collude with these terrorists, is completely unforgivable.

It is not in India’s security interests to let the Khalistani supporters and their associates travel to India. We know who committed the act of insulting our flag; we should map their siblings, parents, uncles, aunts, cousins, etc and put them all on a blacklist to enter India. Let them go to the Islamic Republic when they feel homesick.


A while back I posted about a British Sikh educational group who were running youth camps in India.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6845&p=1980671#p1980671

I tweeted and emailed all sorts of official Indian government departments and bodies about this but never heard anything back and the camp took place as planned.

This group are not as blatantly pro Khalistani as some others but as you can see from the link above they are nonetheless pro Khalistani.

These guys were involved in the anti Modi anti India protests which took place in London last week yet this very same group also plans to open a Sikh Educational centre in Amritsar to educate people about their faith and their history. They have already purchased the property according to a facebook video I recently watched.

https://www.basicsofsikhi.com/amritsarvisitorcentre/

So what could and should be done about this? Of course it's a great idea that people should be educated about Sikhism and the Sikhs but this shouldn't be done by a foreign pro Khalistani group.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby panduranghari » 23 Apr 2018 18:04

g.sarkar wrote:A little old, I apologize if already posted:
https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/worl ... it-new-low
ANTONIA FILMER
Updated : April 2, 2018, 11:10 AM
Under Theresa May, UK-India relations have hit a new low


Gautam ji,

Perhaps the relation between India and UK is at an all time low, but I do not think I could vote anyone but Tories. LibLabGreenies are all nuts and jihadis.

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Postby Philip » 24 Apr 2018 10:36

Which branch of the Tories? The " Leave" or "Remain" Brexit factions!

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Postby chetak » 24 Apr 2018 10:45

Philip wrote:Which branch of the Tories? The " Leave" or "Remain" Brexit factions!


why not the cambridge analytica faction??

Don't they get to have a say??

Afterall, a lot of accounts do "credit" them with brexit.

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Postby ashish raval » 24 Apr 2018 11:18

Hari Seldon wrote:Why give any importance to UKstan at all, I wonder only.

Theek hai, NM went there, had his say aimed also at a domestic audience and moved on.

Its no secret UKstan routinely kowtows to PRC diktats. I don't see too many cheeni 'dissidents', criminals, venal baboons etc being invited and sheltered by UQ. Prolly coz PRC doesn't take any BS or lecturing or harangue-ing from 'em gora sahibs. Only.

India must like-wise show the finger to brishit 'sensitivities' (if there are any) and flatly reject any sermonizing from the briturd state. With the nonchalance and righteous elan the PRC manages to muster, (if) only.



Why boil the blood. Just get together hundreds of people when next UK pm is around for a global summit get bunch of people shouting Simon go back, no to commonwealth, demand reparation for victims, jalliawallah and sheilding economic terrorists of India tag them economic terrorist sheilding nation and do the same in the end with submission to Agni devta. It is simple, repeat the same tactics as you are subscribed to except people will be in tens of thousands in this country on the streets in hundreds of cities simultaneously causing hundreds of heart aches.

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Postby chetak » 24 Apr 2018 11:22

ashish raval wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:Why give any importance to UKstan at all, I wonder only.

Theek hai, NM went there, had his say aimed also at a domestic audience and moved on.

Its no secret UKstan routinely kowtows to PRC diktats. I don't see too many cheeni 'dissidents', criminals, venal baboons etc being invited and sheltered by UQ. Prolly coz PRC doesn't take any BS or lecturing or harangue-ing from 'em gora sahibs. Only.

India must like-wise show the finger to brishit 'sensitivities' (if there are any) and flatly reject any sermonizing from the briturd state. With the nonchalance and righteous elan the PRC manages to muster, (if) only.



Why boil the blood. Just get together hundreds of people when next UK pm is around for a global summit get bunch of people shouting Simon go back no to commonwealth, demand reparation for victims, jalliawallah and sheilding economic terrorists of India tag them economic terrorist sheilding nation and do the same in the end with Agni him. It is simple, repeat the same tactics as you are subscribed to except people will be in tens of thousands in this countries on the streets in hundreds of cities.


+108

It is a game that two can play at. Teach them some manners.

About, FOE, we know as much as they do.

Its the brit deep state that is the implacable foe. Never forgave us for 1947.

Significant vestiges of that very inimical deep state have since taken deep root in India.

That's their return gift to us, after crashing a party that they were never invited to and then staying for over two centuries and slyly pinching and pocketing everything in sight.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby panduranghari » 24 Apr 2018 13:06

Philip wrote:Which branch of the Tories? The " Leave" or "Remain" Brexit factions!


Priti Patel lead faction!! ;)

It may in time turn into a reality. Sadiq Khan has made no bones on his intentions to go for the top job. The Islam pasand and Islamics themselves will back him.

What we can hope for is Indians don’t vote labour. But I know many will. :(

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Postby Lisa » 24 Apr 2018 18:59

Not directly related but linked so please provide additional leigh way for this post. It shows how money goes around in London.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43823962

Paradise Papers: Ukraine crime gang hid proceeds in luxury London flats

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Postby sunnyP » 25 Apr 2018 00:11

Britain's most senior diplomat has apologised for calling one of the holiest sites in Sikhism a mosque.

Sir Simon McDonald mistakenly said on Twitter a colleague had been given a photograph of the Queen at "the Golden Mosque" in Amritsar, India.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43876304

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Postby IndraD » 25 Apr 2018 00:33

it has appeared that BBC got applicants for job vetted by MI5 and only those with left liberal lal jhanda ideology were taken.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby Karan M » 25 Apr 2018 04:06

Sad to say but Modi has been a disappointment in dealing with the overt india and hinduphobes and bigots from abroad. Bar the occasional move on FCRA etc. I would have thought India would take a real strong line against such jokers.

sunnyP wrote:
eklavya wrote:^^^^^
That in-bred half-wit terrorists act like this is not surprising. For any Sikh, whose people are historically the greatest victims of the in-bred half-wits, to collude with these terrorists, is completely unforgivable.

It is not in India’s security interests to let the Khalistani supporters and their associates travel to India. We know who committed the act of insulting our flag; we should map their siblings, parents, uncles, aunts, cousins, etc and put them all on a blacklist to enter India. Let them go to the Islamic Republic when they feel homesick.


A while back I posted about a British Sikh educational group who were running youth camps in India.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6845&p=1980671#p1980671

I tweeted and emailed all sorts of official Indian government departments and bodies about this but never heard anything back and the camp took place as planned.

This group are not as blatantly pro Khalistani as some others but as you can see from the link above they are nonetheless pro Khalistani.

These guys were involved in the anti Modi anti India protests which took place in London last week yet this very same group also plans to open a Sikh Educational centre in Amritsar to educate people about their faith and their history. They have already purchased the property according to a facebook video I recently watched.

https://www.basicsofsikhi.com/amritsarvisitorcentre/

So what could and should be done about this? Of course it's a great idea that people should be educated about Sikhism and the Sikhs but this shouldn't be done by a foreign pro Khalistani group.

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Postby hnair » 25 Apr 2018 07:06

Actually, India should make a major show of
1) hugging UKistan warmly, while saying, "of course, genocide happened because of you"
2) punch it occasionally in the face, by going hammer and tongs about extraditions

The first will ensure a psy-ops win that, despite all the genocides of britain in India, we are Afridi-certified large hearts. It is like Israel hugging and feting out an evolved-nazi governance system in Germany, while participating in a "Third-reich Common wealth Games".

Second will ensure India has cred with the europeans, particularly in the matter of Indian demands about our national security. Europe's blacklisting India for military supplies will hurt it more than it hurts us. Every last piece of Oiropean maal is available with a transactional khan. Plus due to point#1, punching back India will have some serious psy-ops consequences for UKistan, a good advantage :D

We started with Italy and the marines - no IOR rim or Africa has hauled in oiropean guys (or neo-whites) through our miserable court system yet. Expand it a bit more to Security council's second class powers.

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Postby srin » 25 Apr 2018 09:27

NaMo should visit Argentina and sign a few defence agreements with them. Leak some discussions on selling Brahmins Brahmos and Tejas. We don't really have to sell, just make a lot of noise. Brits will fall over themselves to please us.

Updated later: phone autocorrect corrected
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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

Postby g.sarkar » 25 Apr 2018 09:48

panduranghari wrote:
g.sarkar wrote:A little old, I apologize if already posted:
https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/worl ... it-new-low
ANTONIA FILMER
Updated : April 2, 2018, 11:10 AM
Under Theresa May, UK-India relations have hit a new low

Gautam ji,
Perhaps the relation between India and UK is at an all time low, but I do not think I could vote anyone but Tories. LibLabGreenies are all nuts and jihadis.

Sirji,
Ultimately, one has to vote as per one's conscience. When I was living in Manchester back in the 80s, if I had citizenship, I would have voted labour. Even though a nincompoop like Michael Foot was leading the party, I just could not stand Maggie. Also one has to balance what is good for India v/s what is good for the country one is living in. Pitfalls of acquiring a new citizenship and having divided loyalty I guess.
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Postby Singha » 25 Apr 2018 10:08

India could express support in forums on argentine claims to malvinas and mauritians being cheated of the chagos islands

Crete was also cheated out of akitori and should be supported

Anywhere some cheating went on , the brits were there

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Postby ArjunPandit » 25 Apr 2018 10:14

srin wrote:NaMo should visit Argentina and sign a few defence agreements with them. Leak some discussions on selling Brahmins and Tejas. We don't really have to sell, just make a lot of noise. Brits will fall over themselves to please us.

I like this approach. The problem with this approach is these countries dont have anything to offer to us, and khan would not be very pleased with us doing some maneouvring in americas. It has been their policy to keep south america from external power play.
With brishits we have many other sticks to insert at right places, trade deal being one of them. I seriously look forward to an offer of at least one of POW and QE to India towards end of next decade.

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Postby chetak » 25 Apr 2018 10:35

hnair wrote:Actually, India should make a major show of
1) hugging UKistan warmly, while saying, "of course, genocide happened because of you"
2) punch it occasionally in the face, by going hammer and tongs about extraditions

The first will ensure a psy-ops win that, despite all the genocides of britain in India, we are Afridi-certified large hearts. It is like Israel hugging and feting out an evolved-nazi governance system in Germany, while participating in a "Third-reich Common wealth Games".

Second will ensure India has cred with the europeans, particularly in the matter of Indian demands about our national security. Europe's blacklisting India for military supplies will hurt it more than it hurts us. Every last piece of Oiropean maal is available with a transactional khan. Plus due to point#1, punching back India will have some serious psy-ops consequences for UKistan, a good advantage :D

We started with Italy and the marines - no IOR rim or Africa has hauled in oiropean guys (or neo-whites) through our miserable court system yet. Expand it a bit more to Security council's second class powers.


The psy ops seems to have just taken an interesting twist.

Huge victory, Government of India directs all state governments to book FIR against Foreigners who misuse VISA for preaching religion! Big Victory !


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Postby panduranghari » 25 Apr 2018 17:53

g.sarkar wrote:Sirji,
Ultimately, one has to vote as per one's conscience. When I was living in Manchester back in the 80s, if I had citizenship, I would have voted labour. Even though a nincompoop like Michael Foot was leading the party, I just could not stand Maggie. Also one has to balance what is good for India v/s what is good for the country one is living in. Pitfalls of acquiring a new citizenship and having divided loyalty I guess.
Gautam


True up to a certain extent. But I am still an Indian passport holder. If Brexit does go through, the free movement of people into Europe will end and so will the visa free travel which is why many give up their Indian passport.

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Postby IndraD » 28 Apr 2018 01:44

Fury as 100 of Indian doctors are denied visa when NHS is suffering acute shortage of doctors https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... s-refused/

Immigration rules are worsening NHS staffing pressures by preventing doctors from overseas coming to Britain to work, health chiefs have warned after dozens of Indian medics were refused entry to the UK.

Limits on the number of visas issued to doctors from countries outside the European Economic Area are contributing to rota gaps and delays in patients receiving care, they have said.

It comes amid a row after British visas for 100 Indian doctors were refused. Figures from a regulator released earlier this year showed high vacancy numbers for NHS staff.

The Home Office says its limits are in the national interest.

Chief executive of NHS Employers Danny Mortimer told the BBC he had heard of 400 cases of blocked visas since December.

We find it almost impossible to understand how this decision can have been reached
Jon Rouse
"We have examples of clinics being cancelled and delays in terms of patients receiving care," he said. "It exacerbates pressures in what are relatively small medical teams."

Some 100 visas are reported to have been refused for a scheme in the North West that supplies junior doctors to 30 NHS trusts.

Bosses are said to have written to Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt and Home Secretary Amber Rudd with their concerns.

Chief officer of the Greater Manchester Health and Social Care Partnership, Jon Rouse, said: "As we reach the end of a winter where the NHS has been stretched to its very limits, partly as a result of a lack of medical workforce, we find it almost impossible to understand how this decision can have been reached."


In February NHS Improvement said that there were 100,000 vacancies across England's 234 acute, ambulance and mental health trusts.

Doctors are classed as Tier 2 visa applicants by the Home Office.

A Home Office spokeswoman told the BBC any applications refused in over-subscribed months can be applied for again in future ones.


this when NHS is facing worst ever staff shortage https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... son-survey

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Postby kit » 28 Apr 2018 02:30

IndraD wrote:Fury as 100 of Indian doctors are denied visa when NHS is suffering acute shortage of doctors https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... s-refused/

Immigration rules are worsening NHS staffing pressures by preventing doctors from overseas coming to Britain to work, health chiefs have warned after dozens of Indian medics were refused entry to the UK.

Limits on the number of visas issued to doctors from countries outside the European Economic Area are contributing to rota gaps and delays in patients receiving care, they have said.

It comes amid a row after British visas for 100 Indian doctors were refused. Figures from a regulator released earlier this year showed high vacancy numbers for NHS staff.

The Home Office says its limits are in the national interest.

Chief executive of NHS Employers Danny Mortimer told the BBC he had heard of 400 cases of blocked visas since December.

We find it almost impossible to understand how this decision can have been reached
Jon Rouse
"We have examples of clinics being cancelled and delays in terms of patients receiving care," he said. "It exacerbates pressures in what are relatively small medical teams."

Some 100 visas are reported to have been refused for a scheme in the North West that supplies junior doctors to 30 NHS trusts.

Bosses are said to have written to Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt and Home Secretary Amber Rudd with their concerns.

Chief officer of the Greater Manchester Health and Social Care Partnership, Jon Rouse, said: "As we reach the end of a winter where the NHS has been stretched to its very limits, partly as a result of a lack of medical workforce, we find it almost impossible to understand how this decision can have been reached."


In February NHS Improvement said that there were 100,000 vacancies across England's 234 acute, ambulance and mental health trusts.

Doctors are classed as Tier 2 visa applicants by the Home Office.

A Home Office spokeswoman told the BBC any applications refused in over-subscribed months can be applied for again in future ones.


this when NHS is facing worst ever staff shortage https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... son-survey


they seem to allow more Pakistani and Arab doctors in

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Postby IndraD » 28 Apr 2018 02:46

Surprisingly GMC has recently carried out surgical strike on paediatrics doctor of ME origin. She was investigated by medical council tribunal (GMC tribunal) for a baby's death. Tribunal decided in favour of doctor. GMC went against its own tribunal and got doctor struck off through court.
This has sent shockwaves amongst doctors of ethnic origin. http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/your-practi ... 76.article
The GMC will take the unusual step of bringing its own tribunal in front of the High Court this week to appeal its decision not to strike off a trainee doctor from its register.

The Medical Practitioner Tribunal Service decided in June that erasing trainee paediatrician Dr Hadiza Bawa-Garba from the register would be ‘disproportionate’ and recommended a 12-month suspension instead.

But the GMC disagrees with the ruling of its own tribunal, saying that it was ‘insufficient to protect the public’ and has brought the case to the High Court to overturn the decision.

The GMC’s actions in the case have already ignited controversy, with a group of 50 doctors writing to the head of the GMC last month with ‘grave concerns’ over the case, claiming a successful appeal would lead to the ‘criminalisation of clinical error’ and would worsen patient safety.

And over 10,300 people have signed a petition calling for the GMC to drop the appeal, due to be heard in less than a week.

Dr Bawa-Garba was a registrar at the Children’s Assessment Unit at Leicester Royal Infirmary on 18 February 2011, and the most senior doctor on the shift, when a six-year-old child with sepsis died. Dr Bawa-Garba continued to work at the hospital trust up until she was convicted of manslaughter by a Crown Court Jury in November 2015.

The MPTS said in a June 2017 hearing however, that erasing Dr Bawa-Garba from the GMC register would be ‘disproportionate’, that her actions were neither ‘deliberate or reckless’ and that she did not ’pose a continuing risk to patients.’ It concluded that Dr Bawa-Garba should be suspended from the register ‘for a maximum of 12 months’.

But the GMC has decided to appeal the decision and the case will be heard in the High Court on Thursday.

A GMC spokesperson said: ‘We never take the decision to appeal lightly and we only do so if, after careful consideration of all of the relevant circumstances, we conclude that a Medical Practitioners Tribunal’s decision was insufficient to protect the public.’

Last month, a letter from over 50 doctors to GMC chair Professor Terence Stephenson highlighted that an internal inquiry found 79 organisational actions that had to be made.

It says: ‘We feel there is a danger when any individual health care professional is independently blamed in a situation of multiple cumulative systems errors. Punishment of health care workers does not encourage open reflection and will lead to a cover-up culture. There is a staffing crisis in many acute specialities including paediatrics and the criminalisation of clinical error serves to worsen recruitment to high risk specialities.’

‘A successful appeal may simply send all the wrong signals to those wishing to enter a career in paediatrics and indeed health care. The criminalisation of multifactional medical error is the antithesis of a just culture and will serve to worsen learning from events and ultimately patient safety.’

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Postby g.sarkar » 28 Apr 2018 06:05

panduranghari wrote:True up to a certain extent. But I am still an Indian passport holder. If Brexit does go through, the free movement of people into Europe will end and so will the visa free travel which is why many give up their Indian passport.

Panduranghariji,
I was in England for two years, working for a German multi-national company. We were unable to sell our products to UK industry in spite of better products and a cheaper price. Mid-level managers in the customer's company would make snide remarks that they did not win WWII to buy German now and how Dunkirk happened. The heart of UK was never in the EU and they always preferred the white part of the commonwealth (Aus, NZ and Canada) and could not accept the German hegemony in EU Industries and French hegemony in agricultural products. It was very difficult for the British to accept that the Empire was gone and they were a second rate power even the the EU. Their products were of older technology and could not compete in a fair market. For India, Brexit is a mixed bag, but good on the whole. Without EU, UK will decline and this will open up business opportunities for us. On the other hand, UK as a familiar English speaking base for a bridgehead to Europe will be lost to Indian business to some extent. As far as free movement is concerned, Indian businessmen will still be able to travel freely from UK to EU.
Gautam

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Postby ashish raval » 28 Apr 2018 20:07

From your comments it seems that you dont know England very well. There is not a single technology where UK is either not working or is not developed in. Their products from the looks may look inferior but the difference may be only a half percentage point by any count from Engines to Armaments to Automobiles to shipping. I am not sure why you think German items are superior when it is proven that they are cheats!! Remember vokswagen scandel?
A) England builds its own ships all the way to carrier class. Germans ?
B) England builds own nuclear submarine. Germans ?
C) is there any German thing close to GCHQ or MI-6 ?
D) is there any German equivalent to Imperial, Oxford or Cambridge in top 10 in the world ?
E) is there German equivalent to City of London ?
F) is there any German equivalent to UK's deep mind in AI ?
G,
It seems that 80 percent of funny England, crappy politicians and 5% of dailymail readers projected onto general population has left your views skewed about England. Most people get view similar to it because people are not particularly warm here.

Note: I am not England fan or defending or forgetting what they did in India in anyway bit just trying to correct wrong notion people have about UK on general. Even Germans did not exactly have glorious colonial history in that matter.

What India should be looking at is 10 percent of UK which is hidden and never exposed to the world and hides tons of innovators in Gaming, AI, Fintech, Engineering, materials, science and other industries. If you open handbook on any subject including the mathematics number of actual inventors that are produced by England is large compared to its population including noble laureates (i dont particularly think they are biased in anyway some people do, may be who knows).There is no harm in acknowledging where it is due.

Note UK decline has been predicted since 1970's. All colonial powers have declined and rightly so.

I will be happy the day I start more Indian names starting to appear in NIST handbook of mathematics.

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Postby ashish raval » 28 Apr 2018 20:18

panduranghari wrote:
g.sarkar wrote:Sirji,
Ultimately, one has to vote as per one's conscience. When I was living in Manchester back in the 80s, if I had citizenship, I would have voted labour. Even though a nincompoop like Michael Foot was leading the party, I just could not stand Maggie. Also one has to balance what is good for India v/s what is good for the country one is living in. Pitfalls of acquiring a new citizenship and having divided loyalty I guess.
Gautam


True up to a certain extent. But I am still an Indian passport holder. If Brexit does go through, the free movement of people into Europe will end and so will the visa free travel which is why many give up their Indian passport.


Dont wory visa free travel will not change. If they do, Brits will rather travel to carribeans for sun than europe where they can still travel visa free.

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Postby rsingh » 28 Apr 2018 21:16

ashish raval wrote:From your comments it seems that you dont know England very well. There is not a single technology where UK is either not working or is not developed in. Their products from the looks may look inferior but the difference may be only a half percentage point by any count from Engines to Armaments to Automobiles to shipping. I am not sure why you think German items are superior when it is proven that they are cheats!! Remember vokswagen scandel?
A) England builds its own ships all the way to carrier class. Germans ?
B) England builds own nuclear submarine. Germans ?
C) is there any German thing close to GCHQ or MI-6 ?
D) is there any German equivalent to Imperial, Oxford or Cambridge in top 10 in the world ?
E) is there German equivalent to City of London ?
F) is there any German equivalent to UK's deep mind in AI ?
G,
It seems that 80 percent of funny England, crappy politicians and 5% of dailymail readers projected onto general population has left your views skewed about England. Most people get view similar to it because people are not particularly warm here.

Note: I am not England fan or defending or forgetting what they did in India in anyway bit just trying to correct wrong notion people have about UK on general. Even Germans did not exactly have glorious colonial history in that matter.

What India should be looking at is 10 percent of UK which is hidden and never exposed to the world and hides tons of innovators in Gaming, AI, Fintech, Engineering, materials, science and other industries. If you open handbook on any subject including the mathematics number of actual inventors that are produced by England is large compared to its population including noble laureates (i dont particularly think they are biased in anyway some people do, may be who knows).There is no harm in acknowledging where it is due.

Note UK decline has been predicted since 1970's. All colonial powers have declined and rightly so.

I will be happy the day I start more Indian names starting to appear in NIST handbook of mathematics.


Pt A&B......Germany can make this without US help within short period, if She decides to do so.
Pt C.........you have swallowed the sweet tonic constantly fed by James Bond and UK tabloids. Germans do not sing about nit-bits. You are assuming a lot.

Pt D........They do not have OXBRIDGE, but they do not give useless degrees. They stress on real education and stress on Maths and sciences. Some of their institutes are superb.
Pt E........nop. No City of London. Because They were never a big colonial power and German is not international language. UK bend rule to lure super riches, Germany doesn't.
Pt F........Inform yourself.
German technicians are better then UKs so called Engineers.
Housing quality and infrastructure is 5 time better then UK's any day. And do not forget that they raised living standard of Easter Germany to the level of west.
We Indians have only UK in mind. it is not your fault but we have to be objective and well informed.

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Postby kit » 28 Apr 2018 21:17

ashish raval wrote:What India should be looking at is 10 percent of UK which is hidden and never exposed to the world and hides tons of innovators in Gaming, AI, Fintech, Engineering, materials, science and other industries. If you open handbook on any subject including the mathematics number of actual inventors that are produced by England is large compared to its population including noble laureates (i dont particularly think they are biased in anyway some people do, may be who knows).There is no harm in acknowledging where it is due.
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Its the birth place of industrial revolution ..I am no brit fan either. I think India has a big opportunity here than being leery of the old lady's colonial past.

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Postby rsingh » 28 Apr 2018 21:44

We Indian speak English and we think everything is true when told by English language press. French author coined the term Industrial revolution. You read French language papers then you come to know that most of the inventions were of French origin. Russians have their own inventors and they have proofs. Heck even Span has her own inventors. And These are not just stories. So one can not say that Industrial revolution was started in UK. It was a spontaneous progress in science after religion took backseat. you will be surprised to know that steam engines technology was not UK's gift to the world as it is propagated in English world.

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Postby g.sarkar » 28 Apr 2018 22:38

ashish raval wrote:From your comments it seems that you dont know England very well. There is not a single technology where UK is either not working or is not developed in. Their products from the looks may look inferior but the difference may be only a half percentage point by any count from Engines to Armaments to Automobiles to shipping. I am not sure why you think German items are superior when it is proven that they are cheats!! Remember vokswagen scandel?
A) England builds its own ships all the way to carrier class. Germans ?
B) England builds own nuclear submarine. Germans ?
C) is there any German thing close to GCHQ or MI-6 ?
D) is there any German equivalent to Imperial, Oxford or Cambridge in top 10 in the world ?
E) is there German equivalent to City of London ?
F) is there any German equivalent to UK's deep mind in AI ?
G,
It seems that 80 percent of funny England, crappy politicians and 5% of dailymail readers projected onto general population has left your views skewed about England. Most people get view similar to it because people are not particularly warm here.
Note: I am not England fan or defending or forgetting what they did in India in anyway bit just trying to correct wrong notion people have about UK on general. Even Germans did not exactly have glorious colonial history in that matter.
What India should be looking at is 10 percent of UK which is hidden and never exposed to the world and hides tons of innovators in Gaming, AI, Fintech, Engineering, materials, science and other industries. If you open handbook on any subject including the mathematics number of actual inventors that are produced by England is large compared to its population including noble laureates (i dont particularly think they are biased in anyway some people do, may be who knows).There is no harm in acknowledging where it is due.
Note UK decline has been predicted since 1970's. All colonial powers have declined and rightly so.
I will be happy the day I start more Indian names starting to appear in NIST handbook of mathematics.

Ashishji,
Thank you about correcting my skewed views. I stand corrected. UK is great Germany is inferior. I also promise never to read Daily Mail. Thank you once again for opening my eyes.
Gautam

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Postby Karthik S » 28 Apr 2018 23:06

Ah the loyal subject belonging to beastly tribe and beastly religion at it again, singing praises of the master. Along with jaychand types, looks like desis have plently shamelessness in our genes as well.

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Postby Amber G. » 29 Apr 2018 02:27

I wonder if the Archbishop has had the “Thou shall not steal” conversation with Her Majesty.

Thou shalt not steal

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Postby IndraD » 29 Apr 2018 03:33

London court admits CBI evidence against Malya except email; CBI says jail ready.

LONDON: The CBI's evidence against billionaire Vijay Mallya, accused of loan fraud in India, was admitted by a London court today, in a boost for the investigating agency that has been trying to get the liquor tycoon to stand trial in India. The agency also informed the court that a prison cell in line with European Union guidelines is ready for him, a counter to concerns about poor prison conditions in India. :shock:

Vijay Mallya's legal team that is fighting off the government's efforts to extradite him had earlier argued that the evidence provided by the CBI was not good enough to be admitted by the court.

Today, Chief Magistrate Emma Arbuthno said she is "content on admissibility of evidence provided by the CBI" about the loan fraud case. The CBI, however, is yet to provide evidence against the fugitive businessman on the second charge of money laundering that he faces.

Officials said the Enforcement Directorate, which is probing the second case, is yet to send across the required affidavit.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/vijay-m ... dy-1843978

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Postby IndraD » 29 Apr 2018 03:34

previoulsy London court prevented extradition of cricketer-bookie Sanjeev Chawla on ground Indian jails are inhuman and there is risk of malaria etc. ^^

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Postby ashish raval » 29 Apr 2018 04:09

Karthik S wrote:Ah the loyal subject belonging to beastly tribe and beastly religion at it again, singing praises of the master. Along with jaychand types, looks like desis have plently shamelessness in our genes as well.

Keeping eyes and ears open does not equate to shamelessness. Keeping eyes shut like cats while drinking milk and pretending no one is looking does equate to stupidity. On the side note, being proud about nation is one thing being arrogant is altogether a different matter. I believe in former.

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Postby ashish raval » 29 Apr 2018 04:45

rsingh wrote:
ashish raval wrote:From your comments it seems that you dont know England very well. There is not a single technology where UK is either not working or is not developed in. Their products from the looks may look inferior but the difference may be only a half percentage point by any count from Engines to Armaments to Automobiles to shipping. I am not sure why you think German items are superior when it is proven that they are cheats!! Remember vokswagen scandel?
A) England builds its own ships all the way to carrier class. Germans ?
B) England builds own nuclear submarine. Germans ?
C) is there any German thing close to GCHQ or MI-6 ?
D) is there any German equivalent to Imperial, Oxford or Cambridge in top 10 in the world ?
E) is there German equivalent to City of London ?
F) is there any German equivalent to UK's deep mind in AI ?
G,
It seems that 80 percent of funny England, crappy politicians and 5% of dailymail readers projected onto general population has left your views skewed about England. Most people get view similar to it because people are not particularly warm here.

Note: I am not England fan or defending or forgetting what they did in India in anyway bit just trying to correct wrong notion people have about UK on general. Even Germans did not exactly have glorious colonial history in that matter.

What India should be looking at is 10 percent of UK which is hidden and never exposed to the world and hides tons of innovators in Gaming, AI, Fintech, Engineering, materials, science and other industries. If you open handbook on any subject including the mathematics number of actual inventors that are produced by England is large compared to its population including noble laureates (i dont particularly think they are biased in anyway some people do, may be who knows).There is no harm in acknowledging where it is due.

Note UK decline has been predicted since 1970's. All colonial powers have declined and rightly so.

I will be happy the day I start more Indian names starting to appear in NIST handbook of mathematics.


Pt A&B......Germany can make this without US help within short period, if She decides to do so.
Pt C.........you have swallowed the sweet tonic constantly fed by James Bond and UK tabloids. Germans do not sing about nit-bits. You are assuming a lot.

Pt D........They do not have OXBRIDGE, but they do not give useless degrees. They stress on real education and stress on Maths and sciences. Some of their institutes are superb.
Pt E........nop. No City of London. Because They were never a big colonial power and German is not international language. UK bend rule to lure super riches, Germany doesn't.
Pt F........Inform yourself.
German technicians are better then UKs so called Engineers.
Housing quality and infrastructure is 5 time better then UK's any day. And do not forget that they raised living standard of Easter Germany to the level of west.
We Indians have only UK in mind. it is not your fault but we have to be objective and well informed.

why dont you just send few links which will enlighten me on points --> A-F and where they stand in the world. Housing quality is better than UK !! I bet so, anything built in last 50 years (after every flatted out building in WW-II) is ought to be better than the building and plans which were build 200 year back? Isn't it? Have you got any idea on the number of high-rises that are being constructed in London alone? to give you a rough idea it is 4 times total number in construction in whole of Germany!! I am not even counting anything in other cities in UK. German banking secrecy is even more notorious than UK, so don't tell me Germans really want to keep their country like Ludwig's grand vision and did not like super rich coming and settling there!! I have plenty of German friends in London and been there so I know some first hand information on things including friends born in East Germany.
They have bend every rule in EU to keep selling their diesel gas guzzlers to Irish, Icelandic, Cypriot, Greek and other countries by flooding them with cheap EU money that they can borrow at almost 0 percent, while Greeks pay 5% plus to same money. They are not exactly milk white type as you think just because you pity their accent. They don't make great automobiles. They cheat the system to make it look that they have the most efficient and clean engine. Additionally, To give you some metric --> No of Germans in UK = 300k, No. of British in Germany < 80k.

I am not saying that we should only be looking at UK. However, our judgement should not be clouded by colonial past and we should be focused simply on where India's interest lies. We can always demand reparation. South Korea, Israel, China etc all started journey post world war from same common denominator. They have all advanced several notch up, so rather than harping about things happened 100 year back, we should rather focus on our deficiencies and rectifying them and focus on growth. India's interest lies in having good relations with both EU and UK and not just either of them. We should be focused where we can get the earliest results. If free trade with EU is going to take 50 years to go through 70 chapters, and it takes 1 year to sign a trade treaty with UK, we should really not be sit idle thinking EU market is 10 times larger, when reality is and probably will be that it will be never open to Indian products and I am pretty sure about it.

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Postby ashish raval » 29 Apr 2018 05:03

They do not have OXBRIDGE, but they do not give useless degrees

Never knew !! have you ever remotely talked with anyone who has Cambridge Mathematics Tripos or PhD in Mathematics from Cambridge? Your view would have been different if you had met guys who design ARM processors powering 95 percent of mobile chips that you see around you, or met someone who works on writing mathematics to solve equations on parallel universes, finding dark matter, quantum decryption, advanced linear algebra, computational neuroscience, working on quantum computing (funding from american tech companies on this though).
I think we should be having hard look at what everyone has to offer without discounting anyone.

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Postby ashish raval » 29 Apr 2018 05:11

IndraD wrote:previoulsy London court prevented extradition of cricketer-bookie Sanjeev Chawla on ground Indian jails are inhuman and there is risk of malaria etc. ^^

Where exactly have we been able to extradite people from who have committed economic and other crimes in India now or in past? "Kim Davey" of Purulia arms drop case? or Warren Anderson of Union Carbide? Quattrochi of Bofors fame? or Dawood?


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