India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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Postby Dipanker » 20 Dec 2017 23:04

US takes India back to WTO in solar power dispute

GENEVA: India has failed to comply with a World Trade Organization ruling on solar power, the United States will tell the WTO's dispute settlement body (DSB) next month, triggering a fresh round of litigation, according to an agenda issued on Wednesday.
Renewable energy has become a hot area of trade friction as major economies compete to dominate a sector that is expected to thrive as reliance on coal and oil dwindles.

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Postby ramana » 21 Dec 2017 03:45

What was that WTO ruling on solar power exactly?

India unveiled its national solar programme in 2011, seeking to ease chronic energy shortages in Asia's third-largest economy without creating pollution.
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But the United States complained to the WTO in 2013, saying the programme was discriminatory and US solar exports to India had fallen by 90 percent from 2011.
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The United States won the case last year, when WTO appeals judges ruled India had broken the trade rules by requiring solar power developers to use Indian-made cells and modules.
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Such "local content" requirements are banned because they discriminate in favour of domestic firms and against foreign competitors.
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Under an agreement with the United States, India had until Dec. 14 to comply with the ruling and it told the DSB last week that it had done so.


How does this reconcile with Trump's Make in America program.

I think GOI should tell them to stuff it. Most likely its US owned and Chinese made solar panels.

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Postby Cain Marko » 21 Dec 2017 05:53

I'm not saying it is purely perfidy. There could be some wink wink nod nod type arrangement that aam Abdul doesn't know of.... Maybe we'll get Hafiz Saeeds head on a platter.... In return for US attempt to keep the lid on tsp.

Haven't really heard any protests from the Modi govt about this yet, and the silence is strange

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Postby chanakyaa » 21 Dec 2017 06:05

ramana wrote:What was that WTO ruling on solar power exactly?
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How does this reconcile with Trump's Make in America program.

I think GOI should tell them to stuff it. Most likely its US owned and Chinese made solar panels.

Most of the solar projects in the land of Milk and Honey (CA, AZ etc.) have solar panels manufactured by the Chinese manufactures. One the main reasons why skyrocketing increase in solar projects and competitive cost of solar power is partly driven by lower cost of Chinese panels. Looks like Uncle was actually fighting this on behalf of the Chinese. Hope India can manufacture panels at such a low cost to make the WTO ruling ineffective, and then to dragon to WTO for dumping panels.

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Postby abhik » 21 Dec 2017 10:58

If import duty on cars can be 100% and booze at 250% then why not solar cells?

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Postby TKiran » 21 Dec 2017 19:23

National security strategy of US could have made some sense if that was made 10 years ago, it's too little too late and the water has already seeped in.

As far as India is concerned, we should make policies to oppose China in every sphere and not let the same situation as US is facing now. For all practical purposes US is a spent force with some residual momentum. US failed to protect its intellectual property and thus decelerated too fast since 2008. What is galling is that they were able to protect their intellectual property even though Indians were the overwhelming contributers to their intellectual property, whether resident in India or in US, but totally lost when it comes to China.

India's policies should be "to acquire technological edge on all fields" whether US is a willing facilitator or not.

There's no chance even remotely that US will regain it's super power status, which they have already lost, how much ever the world (allies) longs their leadership and still hoping for a revival of US power.

Now the world is bipolar, China on one side and India on the other side. It may take some time (about a decade) for this fact to sink into even very good strategic analysts.

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Postby Suraj » 21 Dec 2017 21:14

abhik wrote:If import duty on cars can be 100% and booze at 250% then why not solar cells?

Yes this case is really a question of non tariff vs tariff barriers . India can just say ‘Sorry, we won’t say only indian solar panels are permitted . Everyone is permitted but we will impose duties on everyone else and pick the lowest cost - Indian - bidders’ .

What’s more, US products should be scrutinized for Chinese origin content and penalized . Solar panels by American company but manufactured in China should be treated same as Made in China .

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Postby Prithwiraj » 21 Dec 2017 23:50

India just voted against Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital at UN. What impact can it have on our strategic relationship with Israel and USA. It seems only weeks ago when Modi hugged Israeli PM with so much fan fare

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Postby krishna_krishna » 22 Dec 2017 00:21

^^ only nine countries supported it (US, Israel, Guatemala, Honduras, Micronesia (didn't knew a country by this name existed), Marshall Islands,Nauru,Palau and Togo). Well there you go the strategic partnership of the century, now massa will know how much those "remembering" threats impact to the real world, well think countries like Nepal also rejected it. Interesting times!!!!!!

India first always !!!!!!
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Postby Cain Marko » 22 Dec 2017 00:37

^ hmm bit of tit for tat for delinking LeT and the $700 million aid to tsp?

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Postby krishna_krishna » 22 Dec 2017 01:06

^^ I would add WTO to the list above

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Postby saip » 22 Dec 2017 01:07

If you leave out the USA, all of those eight countries together have a population of what? 10 mil?

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42 mil.

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Postby Prithwiraj » 22 Dec 2017 01:28

I also think Modi has 2019 general election in sight and does not want to completely alienate Indian Muslims...

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Postby ramana » 22 Dec 2017 01:48

I think its a message to US for the mollycoddling Pakistan despite overwhelming evidence.
I wouldn't worry about Israel as India is quite friendly with them.

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Postby anupmisra » 22 Dec 2017 01:55

I do not agree with India's vote at the UN. She could have abstained.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 22 Dec 2017 03:06

krishna_krishna wrote:^^ only nine countries supported it (US, Israel, Guatemala, Honduras, Micronesia (didn't knew a country by this name existed), Marshall Islands,Nauru,Palau and Togo). Well there you go the strategic partnership of the century, now massa will know how much those "remembering" threats impact to the real world, well think countries like Nepal also rejected it. Interesting times!!!!!!

India first always !!!!!!

what the tommy of US..even UK didnt vote for them, so much for the "special relationship". oh i forgot that they are now Ummah Kingdom not united kingdom. Personally, did palestine ever vote for us in UNSC for Kashmir?Not that I care about US, but india must treat its relationship with Israel as very special. India and israel's relationship has been more helpful than than India and US's.

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Postby saip » 22 Dec 2017 03:12

The greatest ally of the USA - Pakistan - voted against the USA. Also the usual allies too, like France and the UK, voted against the USA. Canada and Mexico were too terrified even to attend.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 22 Dec 2017 03:25

saip wrote:The greatest ally of the USA - Pakistan - voted against the USA. Also the usual allies too, like France and the UK, voted against the USA. Canada and Mexico were too terrified even to attend.

I can understand about canada, esp under turd-u. However, mexico!!! The wall....

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Postby Prem » 22 Dec 2017 05:00

Mahindra in Detriot

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Postby Dipanker » 22 Dec 2017 05:05

In addition to UK and France, Japan and Germany too voted for the resolution, hard to spin that!

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Postby krishna_krishna » 22 Dec 2017 10:04

ArjunPandit wrote:Personally, did palestine ever vote for us in UNSC for Kashmir?Not that I care about US, but india must treat its relationship with Israel as very special. India and israel's relationship has been more helpful than than India and US's.


I would not look at it this from India's relationship with Israel angle. This was appropriate response to its perfidy against desh for shielding it munna again.

India's relationship with Israel was always special and will continue to be so, this was massa led blackmail. Think of it is that if massa choose to recognize some sovereign countries capital somewhere and legitimize it. This was Israel this time and it suits its interests. Tomorrow what if they say we do not like Delhi has the capital and we want to recognize Timbuktu,where does it than end hainji ?, this was Iraq part due that is the reason overwhelming opposition even from mass's closest allies including uk, France, Germany heck even small countries like Srilanka, Nepal supported it. Think why

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Postby ArjunPandit » 22 Dec 2017 10:44

krishna_krishna wrote:^^ only nine countries supported it (US, Israel, Guatemala, Honduras, Micronesia (didn't knew a country by this name existed), Marshall Islands,Nauru,Palau and Togo). Well there you go the strategic partnership of the century, now massa will know how much those "remembering" threats impact to the real world, well think countries like Nepal also rejected it. Interesting times!!!!!!

India first always !!!!!!

Micronesia was adminstered by US

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Postby Kashi » 22 Dec 2017 11:07

I am more surprised that Canada and Australia abstained. I would expected Trudeau-led Canada to have actively voted in favour of this resolution.

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Postby JE Menon » 22 Dec 2017 11:30

Meanwhile, it is useful to observe the situation in the mainstream media in India and in twitterlines. Government is cricticised for voting against the US and joining the crowd. Next month, when Netanyahu visits India, there will be strident criticism for going too close to Israel...

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Postby Peregrine » 22 Dec 2017 14:51

'India's made a huge mistake in voting against US on Jerusalem,' says BJP's Subramanian Swamy

NEW DELHI: BJP MP Subramanian Swamy has again gone against the party line, this time saying India made "a huge mistake" voting in the UN against the US on the Jerusalem issue.

A large number of Indians on Twitter also seems to agree with Swamy, an unscientific perusal shows.

Earlier this month, the US officially declared the divided city of Jerusalem the capital of Israel.

Yesterday, India was one of 128 nations that voted against this US decision in the UN General Assembly (UNGA). In defying the US, these 128 countries reaffirmed that Jerusalem's final status must be decided in direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.

Swamy, a long-time supporter of Israel, said India voted against its national interest, because "Palestine has never supported India on Kashmir question", while Israel "has stood with India always".

The BJP MP also said that West Jerusalem belongs to Israel, so he sees nothing wrong with the US, or for that matter, India, having their embassies there.

In fact, Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Israeli counterpart Benjamin Netanyahu appeared to have struck up a noteworthy friendship on the former's visit to Israel in July. Modi's trip was replete with his now-famous hugs, sightseeing on beaches, references to yoga and a tonne of sentiments on the lines of "this is a marriage made in heaven".

This prompted many on Twitter to look askance at India's vote yesterday in the UN, which for all practical purposes was also against Israel.

A correspondent for Israeli publication Haaretz mentioned that Netanyahu is, in fact, scheduled to visit India next month.

Some said India's vote was akin to "backstabbing" Israel.

Another called India's vote "a historic blunder", and helpfully provided photographs of Modi and Netanyahu and Modi and Trump in happier times.

One person claimed - without any proof - that "80% of Indians support Israel and resolution of Jerusalem as Israel's capital".

India's vote, some seemed to think, will cost New Delhi support in its bid for permanent membership to the UN Security Council, a move broadly supported by the US and Israel, among others.

Many, while agreeing with Swamy, said India could "at least" have abstained.

Abstaining, said one person, was "the Indian way".

Meanwhile, the Associated Press reported that US aid recipients ignored a White House threat while voting against the US in the UNGA. The news agency was referring to a US threat of diplomatic retaliation and losing financial aid against any one voting against it.

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Postby JE Menon » 22 Dec 2017 16:20

I don't think there are many people in the Indian establishment who wanted to vote against the US or Israel on this issue. However, it is important to pick the right battles. Both the US and Israel know our circumstances, neighbours, etc... and are not unsympathetic to the situation. Further, this is a battle that the US would have anyways lost - not one of the other P5 voted in its favour. There is no point in wasting political capital on a lost cause, and everyone recognises that reality. It would have had symbolic value but I think India's gamble is that even that symbolic value has no concrete benefit. We rarely act without strongly perceived concrete benefit or actual measurable benefit, as far as I can tell. There will be no substantial damage done to our relationships with either, which are on a steady upward path. I too feel that the symbolic gesture would have been gratifying - simply to make a point. But hey, I can understand why they didn't do it.

Ruthless, in a sense, but it is what it is. When people talk about how soft the state of India is, they would do well to recall such instances.

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Postby Parasu » 22 Dec 2017 17:12

This was appropriate response to its perfidy against desh for shielding it munna again.

As if Desh is out to get the pakis and Amreeka is shielding them. Heck, India itself is shielding Pakis by making surprise visits in Lahore bday parties, going by bus to Lahore, Inviting terrorist Mush on our television.
When Desh has built up sufficient spine to put down the pakis noone will stand in the way. And the path to `building up the spine` goes through independent choices on UN resolutions.
Not by voting with the herd of sheep in a resolution co-sponsored by the jihadi Erdogan and supported by Pakistan and China.

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Postby Parasu » 22 Dec 2017 17:16

Did India vote for or against Russia in the US sponsored resolutions on the Ukraine crisis? Russia is a friend. One would understand there.

What logic is there in voting against US in a jihadi plot?! All countries have limited political capital. Its important to judiciously use it. India would have done better to abstain. Particularly after Trump and Haley made it clear how important this was for US.

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Postby krishna_krishna » 22 Dec 2017 18:19

Parasu wrote:Did India vote for or against Russia in the US sponsored resolutions on the Ukraine crisis? Russia is a friend. One would understand there.

What logic is there in voting against US in a jihadi plot?! All countries have limited political capital. Its important to judiciously use it. India would have done better to abstain. Particularly after Trump and Haley made it clear how important this was for US.


America is a declining super nova, albeit still a super nova. The sooner that is understood the better it is , that is the reality of the world we live in today. This should have made it clear to uncle and its gang.

By the way why abstain when massa stabs you back for perkis, we can do the same. This vote was just symbolic everyone knows this, the UN has been taken unseriously since ages and it do not have representation or represent incorrect world reality where we are not even a permanent members. But massa will now have to walk the talk via cutting funding to UN, a'stan, Egypt, syria,ukraine etc (the top countries were massa donates its mullah). There are people in line waiting to fill that vacuum, massa knows that and never will do that. All in all less credibility of massa.

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Heck, India itself is shielding Pakis by making surprise visits in Lahore bday parties, going by bus to Lahore, Inviting terrorist Mush on our television.
When Desh has built up sufficient spine to put down the pakis noone will stand in the way. And the path to `building up the spine` goes through independent choices on UN resolutions.
Not by voting with the herd of sheep in a resolution co-sponsored by the jihadi Erdogan and supported by Pakistan and China.


All this was part of of the game that was forced down the throat by you know who. The game had to be played to show we had good intentions with porkis but they stabbed us back. So what do you think about Russia, France , Germany and all supporting this sh@@t they are with herd of sheep here too, so they don't have enough spine ?

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Postby arun » 22 Dec 2017 19:10

Prithwiraj wrote:India just voted against Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital at UN. What impact can it have on our strategic relationship with Israel and USA. It seems only weeks ago when Modi hugged Israeli PM with so much fan fare



Parklam. The US has been issuing threats which were rightly found by India to be of no account:

US will 'take names of those who vote to reject Jerusalem recognition'

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Postby Gus » 22 Dec 2017 20:44

arun wrote:Parklam. The US has been issuing threats which were rightly found by India to be of no account:

US will 'take names of those who vote to reject Jerusalem recognition'


that's the problem with this administration. it has blustered and threatened so much, that its not clear what is to be taken seriously. It is clear that this move was done for domestic distraction, so why would the rest of the world have to be sympathetic to Trump's domestic compulsions?

"we will take names" says Haley. o....kkk....andddd???? :roll:

bring a large notebook. :lol:

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Postby Prithwiraj » 22 Dec 2017 21:46

Well Japan and South Korea also voted against... does that mean US will withdraw troops from these countries? It is all a show game where countries probably already through backdoor diplomacy informed khan ahead of the time about their intent.

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Postby nachiket » 23 Dec 2017 00:21

What Trump was saying about taking names was in regards to countries which receive large amounts of aid from the US and still vote against ti in the UN. I believe he said something along the lines of "We'll note down the names. We'll save a lot of money." Not exact quote.

India doesn't receive large amounts of US aid. So the threat is of no consequence to us. The countries which do (like Pakistan) clearly don't think Trump is going to carry out his implied threat.

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Postby Cain Marko » 23 Dec 2017 01:01

I suppose India should have abstained purely for letting the pals know that their perfidy in Kashmir can't be ignored ad infinitum but then again Indian dependence on middle East for Petro products is not small iirc.

Also, so many US allies also did the same including poodlestan, most of Western Europe, Japan?, And all the gulf countries including Barbaria.

And they don't have half the Muslims India does.

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Postby nachiket » 23 Dec 2017 05:42

This entire UN vote just more hot-air coming from that futile and impotent organization. The resolution they passed is non-binding and asks countries to avoid moving embassies to Jerusalem. Aside from the US which country even had plans for such a move? They condemned the US decision to move, but that condemnation is completely immaterial to the US. They will still move ahead with their decision. In simple terms. the US did not ask anyone for their permission, especially not the UN. If any other country is determined to similarly move their embassy they too won't care two hoots about what resolution is passed by the UNGA.

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Postby SSridhar » 23 Dec 2017 07:13

I would have liked India to have abstained, rather than voted.

But, the US cannot take offence. It does many things that not only offend but hurt India grievously.

Besides, the US must get the message that India has its own strategic space and simply wouldn't kowtow.

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Postby Kashi » 23 Dec 2017 08:24



It was an open vote. Aren't the names already known? What is Haley talking about? :?:

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Postby Mihaylo » 23 Dec 2017 08:49

SSridhar wrote:I would have liked India to have abstained, rather than voted.

But, the US cannot take offence. It does many things that not only offend but hurt India grievously.

Besides, the US must get the message that India has its own strategic space and simply wouldn't kowtow.


It would have been an unforced error if we had voted anything but a 'No'. Why single yourself out when the US can focus its diplomatic retribution at other countries. It should have been, and probably was, an easy decision to vote 'No'.

On a side note, just like it does to the Pukes, the US uses and throws away the UN as it desires. The UN has been reduced to a condom by the Big 5. We should do the same.

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Postby Karthik S » 23 Dec 2017 10:00

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Or may be it was simply a case of local Indian politics. I was hoping we'd move our embassy to Jerusalem sometime in the near future regardless of how we voted at the UN. But if it's again about internal politics, that seems unlikely.


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