India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Rudradev » 26 Apr 2019 00:48

Nobody but the thickest of liberandus in India has even heard of NPR.

The really dangerous interference of US (Trump) in Indian elections is this. Cross-posting from Understanding The US thread:

Mort Walker wrote:Orange-Utan has interfered with Indian elections by removing all oil purchase waivers from Iran. What this has done is to increase the market price of oil. Why now instead of after Memorial Day holiday in US? It was designed to impact Indian elections right in the middle to give Pappu maximum political advantage.


Sudden end to US sanction waivers for Indian purchase of Iranian oil, right in the middle of Indian elections. Guaranteed to raise petrol prices.

Petrol price going up means price of everything goes up. Blunting the economic message and voter enthusiasm for the present government of India.

Don't be fooled by all this Right-Wing/Right-Wing Bhai/Bhai nonsense. NO Govt of any foreign country wants to see a strong India. ALL of them would much prefer a pappufied, khichdi-coalition India with 10000 levers of influence to manipulate. That includes Trump sarkar.

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Postby Mort Walker » 26 Apr 2019 08:54

Rudradev wrote:Nobody but the thickest of liberandus in India has even heard of NPR.

The really dangerous interference of US (Trump) in Indian elections is this. Cross-posting from Understanding The US thread:

Mort Walker wrote:Orange-Utan has interfered with Indian elections by removing all oil purchase waivers from Iran. What this has done is to increase the market price of oil. Why now instead of after Memorial Day holiday in US? It was designed to impact Indian elections right in the middle to give Pappu maximum political advantage.


Sudden end to US sanction waivers for Indian purchase of Iranian oil, right in the middle of Indian elections. Guaranteed to raise petrol prices.

Petrol price going up means price of everything goes up. Blunting the economic message and voter enthusiasm for the present government of India.

Don't be fooled by all this Right-Wing/Right-Wing Bhai/Bhai nonsense. NO Govt of any foreign country wants to see a strong India. ALL of them would much prefer a pappufied, khichdi-coalition India with 10000 levers of influence to manipulate. That includes Trump sarkar.



Absolutely. No one believes in the Rethuglicans or Homocrats. Both are repulsive to a strong and resurgent India.

The INR has already dipped in value. Now, $1 = Rs. 70+ climbing upward. What it has also done is to price US shale oil lower than oil from the ME. About $65/barrel for WTI compared to $74/barrel for OPEC. This arbitrary removal of oil purchase waivers is entirely political to influence the Indian elections when the US and India were already negotiating a waiver extension into May. There was no warning and it appears to be based on the fact the election is in favor of Modi so far.

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Postby Mort Walker » 26 Apr 2019 09:00

Another deceitful report from NPR:

Nearly 27 Years After Hindu Mob Destroyed A Mosque, The Scars In India Remain Deep

Some believe a Hindu temple stood there centuries earlier, though it's a matter of debate among archaeologists.

What idiots. Everyplace in the world where a religious place stood before Islam entered was destroyed or demolished. There is plenty of evidence to this fact.

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Postby Singha » 26 Apr 2019 10:16

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/25/busi ... index.html

pepsico sues 4 indian farmers in guj for growing potatoes it uses in lays brand chips

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Postby NRao » 26 Apr 2019 10:24

I am inclined to believe that the recently opened NPR bureau in Mumbai is a coordinated hit job. Coordinated with other news outlets. At face value, NPR seems rather innocuous. But, this reporter has come out swinging - a snipper. Needs some attention.

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Postby nandakumar » 26 Apr 2019 10:32

The decision to end waiver on Iranian oil purchases shouldn't result in immediate hikes prices at the retail outlets. Traded prices for crude in IPE today's market affects raw material prices for refineries a month down the road. So even if OMCs raise product prices to reflect refining costs it won't happen for at least a month. By then election would be over. Having said that, timing is not without its political significance.

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Postby Peregrine » 26 Apr 2019 23:01

India may extend deadline for imposing retaliatory tariff on 29 US items by 14 days – PTI

NEW DELHI: India is likely to extend the deadline for imposing retaliatory customs duties on 29 US products including [irl=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/almond]almonds, walnuts, and pulses , by another 14 days, a source said. The commerce ministry is expected to recommend to the revenue department, under the finance ministry, to extend the deadline for imposing higher tariffs. The current deadline will end on May 2.

"The ministry will recommend extension of the deadline on retaliatory tariffs on imports from the US by another 14 days," the source said.

If accepted by the finance ministry, the revenue department would issue a notification to that effect.

The government has already extended this deadline over half a dozen times since June 2018, when it decided to impose these duties in retaliation to a move by the US to impose high customs duties on certain steel and aluminium products.

The issue assumes significance with the US deciding to withdraw export incentives being provided by them to Indian exporters for certain goods under the generalised system of preferences (GSP) programme. The withdrawal is expected to come into force from May

Domestic exporters are jittery over the US' decision to withdraw these incentives as they export goods worth $5.6 billion under the GSP programme. About 1,900 items including from chemicals and engineering sectors avail these sops.

Both the sides were holding two-track discussions to increase trade in the short and medium term and identify long-term trade potentials.

India is pressing for exemption from the high duty imposed by the US on certain steel and aluminium products, resumption of export benefits to certain domestic products under their GSP programme, greater market access for its products from agriculture, automobile, automobile components and engineering sectors.

On the other hand, the US is demanding greater market access through a cut in import duties for its agriculture goods, dairy products, medical devices, IT and communication items. India has stated that it would be difficult for them to cut duties on IT products.

As part of the imposition of higher import duties, New Delhi has notified higher tariffs on several products. While import duty on walnut has been increased to 120 per cent from 30 per cent currently, duty on chickpeas, Bengal gram (chana) and masur dal will be raised to 70 per cent, from 30 per cent currently. Levy on lentils will be increased to 40 per cent, from 30 per cent. However, the notification has not yet been implemented.

India's exports to the US in 2017-18 stood at $47.9 billion, while imports were $26.7 billion. The trade balance is in favour of India

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Postby Peregrine » 28 Apr 2019 01:35

About 200 US companies seeking to move manufacturing base from China to India: Report – PTI

WASHINGTON: About 200 American companies are seeking to move their manufacturing base from China to India post the general elections, a top US-based advocacy group has said, observing that there is a fantastic opportunity with firms looking at alternatives to the Communist giant.

The US-India Strategic and Partnership Forum's (USISPF) president Mukesh Aghi said that the companies are talking to them about how to set up an alternative to China by investing in India.

Aghi said that USISPF's recommendation to the new government would be to accelerate the reforms and bring transparency in the decision-making process.

“I think that's critical. We would advise to bring more transparency in the process and to make it more consultative because in the last 12 to 18 months, we are seeing US companies look at some of the decisions being made, either
e-commerce or data localisation, as more domestic-oriented than global,” he told PTI in an interview.

In his reply to what the agenda of the new Indian government should be to attract investment, Aghi suggested that New Delhi needs to accelerate reforms, be more transparent in the process and engage more.

“We need to understand how we can attract those companies. And that means all the way from land issues to customs issues to being part of the global supply chain. Those are critical issues. There's a whole plethora of reforms that need to go further down, and I think that is also going to create a lot of jobs,” he said.

He said that Mark Linscott, the former Assistant US Trade Representative for South and Central Asian Affairs, is working with USISPF member companies to come up with a recommendation as to what India needs to do to enhance its exports and work up from that perspective.

“One recommendation, which I strongly believe is going to help India is that we should now start thinking of a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) between India and the US," Aghi said.

"I think if India is concerned about cheap goods coming from China, an FTA will eliminate that need. You can put barriers to Chinese goods and still have the U.S. providing access to the Indian market and Indian companies having more access to the US market, and issues like GSP would diminish,” he said.

Aghi said that they have formed a high-level manufacturing council within the member companies, led by John Kern, Senior Vice President of Supply Chain Operations at Cisco who are putting a document together detailing what India needs to do to turn it into a manufacturing hub.

“We plan to have the document ready by the time elections are over as part of recommendation,” he said.

“What they're saying is we want a backup strategy to start manufacturing in India. There are small-small issues, which can slow them down. And at the moment most of them are waiting for elections to be over. But there's a large deluge of companies keen to not only manufacture in India but also who want to go after the domestic market,” he said.

On the amount of investment these companies would bring to India, he said the number in question is substantial.

“If you look at, our member companies in the last four years have invested over $50 billion,” he added.

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Postby ramana » 02 May 2019 01:10

Mostly bokwas.
These guys want photo op with NaMo to get more US hawa.
I have seen many in Bay Area.

But good psy-ops to spook China.

See look at the big picture.
US middle class is ~200 M purchase power wise.
Indian middle class is now 600M and will be 1000M by 2035.
China will remain a mfg hub for a long time.
They see that India will be their customer and that is changing the dynamics.

As for US they will keep building barriers and sanctions for they don't understand the Empire they took from the British.
Reminds me of the last story in Panchatantra.
The man on the mountain with a wheel.

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Postby darshan » 02 May 2019 06:37

Sushma Swaraj said, "Indian Ambassador in the United States has informed me about the killing of four persons in Cincinnati on Sunday evening. One of them was an Indian national on a visit to the US while others were persons of Indian origin."


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Postby pandyan » 19 May 2019 09:35

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https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/second-hindu-temple-burglarized-1-day-after-15k-worth-of-jewelry-stolen/950439491
A group of bold thieves has struck again, stealing thousands of dollars in gold from a second metro Atlanta Hindu temple.

Just a day after thousands of dollars in jewelry was stolen from a Hindu temple in Cumming, thieves hit another temple in Riverdale.

Cameras in both places caught what police believe is the same group of thieves in the act....
video of a group of robbers distracting the priests while others stole the jewelry. Police said they pretended to be tourists.


https://twitter.com/AaronDiamantWSB/status/1129938932949540866
Surveillance cameras caught this image of the crew suspected of stealing thousands of dollars in gold jewelry from two local Hindu temples. We’re live with the urgent plea from temple leaders. #NightBeat @wsbtv

Look at this picture closely. They’re part of a crew suspected of ripping thousands of dollars in gold jewelry from two local Hindu temples in 48 hours. The urgent plea from temple leaders...at 11. #NightBeat @wsbtv

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby kit » 19 May 2019 09:57

Rudradev wrote:Nobody but the thickest of liberandus in India has even heard of NPR.

The really dangerous interference of US (Trump) in Indian elections is this. Cross-posting from Understanding The US thread:

Mort Walker wrote:Orange-Utan has interfered with Indian elections by removing all oil purchase waivers from Iran. What this has done is to increase the market price of oil. Why now instead of after Memorial Day holiday in US? It was designed to impact Indian elections right in the middle to give Pappu maximum political advantage.


Sudden end to US sanction waivers for Indian purchase of Iranian oil, right in the middle of Indian elections. Guaranteed to raise petrol prices.

Petrol price going up means price of everything goes up. Blunting the economic message and voter enthusiasm for the present government of India.

Don't be fooled by all this Right-Wing/Right-Wing Bhai/Bhai nonsense. NO Govt of any foreign country wants to see a strong India. ALL of them would much prefer a pappufied, khichdi-coalition India with 10000 levers of influence to manipulate. That includes Trump sarkar.


Throw in a big Chinese involvement ..and the Russians.
India is one country where fortunes can be made on the sly on a grand scale all the while professing development

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Postby Lilo » 01 Jun 2019 11:25

Trump Ends India's Trade Designation as a Developing Nation

June 1, 2019


President Donald Trump terminated India’s designation as a developing nation under a trade program, eliminating an exception that allowed the country to export nearly 2,000 products to the U.S. duty-free.

“I have determined that India has not assured the United States that India will provide equitable and reasonable access to its markets,” Trump said in a proclamation on Friday evening. “Accordingly, it is appropriate to terminate India’s designation as a beneficiary developing country effective June 5, 2019.”

The action, which the administration has threatened for months, ends India’s preferential treatment under the Generalized System of Preferences, a decades-old program designed to promote economic development.

The Trump administration has said concerns over market access for American goods being exported to India led them to withdraw the benefits, which prohibited duties on about $5.7 billion in imports in 2017, according to the Congressional Research Service.

Earlier this month, Trump announced that he was ending Turkey’s preferential trade treatment. Turkey was the fifth-largest beneficiary of the program -- which allowed some Turkish exporters to sell products in the U.S. duty free -- in 2017 with $1.7 billion in covered imports to the U.S. and India was the largest with $5.7 billion, according to a Research Service report issued in January.

The White House announcement on Friday came a day after Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was sworn into office for a second term after a landslide victory in last week’s national elections.

While the warning came months ago that the White House could cut India’s preferential treatment, the Trump administration decided to hold off on the announcement until after India’s elections to avoid hurting Modi politically
, according to people familiar with the matter who asked to not be identified in order to discuss internal deliberations.

U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, who has grown increasingly irked over India’s trade barriers and practices, has a longstanding frustration with the country’s self-designation as a developing nation at the World Trade Organization, the people said.

The March notice gave India two months to address the administration’s concerns before Trump made the end to the tariff treatment official.

The proclamation issued by the White House on Friday also subjects solar cells and washing machines from India and Turkey to duties imposed by Trump in 2018. Both nations had been exempted because of their status as developing countries.

Dan Anthony, executive director of the Coalition for GSP, a trade group, said that the decision “will cost American businesses over $300 million in additional tariffs every year.”

“There are no winners from today’s decision,” Anthony said in a statement. “American importers will pay more, while some American exporters will continue to face current market access barriers in India and others, including farmers, are very likely to be subject to new retaliatory tariffs.”

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby rgosain » 01 Jun 2019 13:53

The current tit for tit trade battle between the US and the rest of the world has resulted in some sectors of US agriculture eg cotton, soya, millet being at multi-year lows in terms of prices. Given that India is water stressed, it would be advantageous for India to source cotton and millet in the short term from the US. This would allow Indian farmers to rotate into crops that are less reliant on the limited water.

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Postby chola » 01 Jun 2019 15:27

Eh, this has been building up for some time with the H-1Bs where many of the yahoos who supported Trump had complained about for years even though most of them can't fill those technical jobs. There are many goras who think Indians are taking them for a ride. Indeed, thus sentiment extends to all non-whites, look at the Mexico tariffs. You would think that while fighting with Cheen you would not open up other fronts. But the mindset is simply revenge against all turdworlders stealing their jobs.

The truth is no country should count on preferential treatment like the GSP these days with walls being put up across the globe. Come on, duty-free exports to the US? Let's face it, India's tariff regime hadn't been very friendly to phoren products either.

Any sort of retaliation against US firms when we are competing with Thailand, Vietnam and even Bangladesh for the supply chains fleeing Trump's trade war with Cheen would be counterproductive.
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Postby Manish_Sharma » 01 Jun 2019 15:32

^ what a US devotee you are. Every action of USA has to be defended and Bharat has to be proven a culprit
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Postby chola » 01 Jun 2019 15:40

Sir, did I call India a culprit? What is "defending" when calling out the anti-Indian/anti-nonwhite mindset of the Amreeki goras?

What is "defending" when pointing out that we cannot depend on an Amreeki designation that allows us to ship goods to the US without tariffs? GSP is a self-righteous gora gift to what they think are "undeveloped" nations. In their minds, it is another act of the "white man's burden."

The fact they took it away is because India is now powerful enough that they feel this "largesse" is unwarranted.

You want to us to depend on that kind of designation? This is no different than the "aid" we used to receive from the Mother Teresa types.

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Postby Rishi_Tri » 01 Jun 2019 18:41

All this started with H1Bs, L1s being sent back. No one said anything.
Then came Iranian oil. No one said anything.
Withdrawal of trade benefits were long time in process and more shall come. No one is saying anything.
Now S400 is being targeted.

Till now, India has more or less Bent the Knee. Question is for how long and for how much? All this while Modi Ji is at helm. Not expected.

Don't be surprised if Apache or Chinook deliveries are delayed. C17 spares become unavailable. These shall happen sooner than what people may think.

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Jun 2019 19:08

Good summary by cholaji, though I do not agree with the tit-for-tat bijnej. More sophisticated tactics needed. I question why India should depend on "developing nation" exemptions to sell products. Yes, it is convenient but IMO it keeps quality and R&D down while competing purely on price. Yes, lots of people would jump at a "mynawritee" designation for their bijnej/proposal/beti-beta's college admission, but ultimately these things are unhealthy: the price is paid by the best people in India.
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Postby VikramA » 01 Jun 2019 19:30

with this new posturing of US i wish the first act of Jaishankar would be to announce 1000% import duty on harley davidson just as a middle finger to trump. i know it will never happen but a guy can dream right?

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Postby Najunamar » 01 Jun 2019 19:36

It's interesting to note Modiji had a great insightful comment during 1 of his interviews. He said he wanted to move away from emotional/feeling based decision making to facts/desired outcome based actions. Here again I am confident whatever be the actions taken will be after much deliberation and not some knee jerk reaction. I agree with the trends that Cholaji talks about - Goras are uneasy about us Brown folks as with other races, someone once said we should accept this as a rite of passage, will happen only when we're perceived as a threat to their dominant position.

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Jun 2019 19:46

No point in showing middle finger to trump. Pls read the part where the announcement was delayed until after the Indian election. If the donkeystanis come to power Jan. 2021 things will be faar worse. Harley Davidson? Better option is to quietly pass a law banning motorcycles with noise above X dB. In any event, it seems fairly idiotic to buy Harley in India when one can get Enfield Bullet.
Why SHOULD India continue to seek "developing nation" status while going around declaring "V R #5 in GDP, HEADING FOR #3", hain?
Maybe it is time to show middle finger to THAT?

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Postby chetak » 01 Jun 2019 20:09

UlanBatori wrote:No point in showing middle finger to trump. Pls read the part where the announcement was delayed until after the Indian election. If the donkeystanis come to power Jan. 2021 things will be faar worse. Harley Davidson? Better option is to quietly pass a law banning motorcycles with noise above X dB. In any event, it seems fairly idiotic to buy Harley in India when one can get Enfield Bullet.
Why SHOULD India continue to seek "developing nation" status while going around declaring "V R #5 in GDP, HEADING FOR #3", hain?
Maybe it is time to show middle finger to THAT?


UlanBatori ji,

the language has been very carefully tailored to reflect Modi's dominance in these recently concluded elections. This is foggy bottom driven and has deep state written all over it

the tone and tenor would have radically changed had a weak ass coalition govt come into power.

the sneaky buggers had kept quiet all this while because they wanted lots of things from Modi, signed agreements, weapon purchase orders and they must be pushing hard for the sale of the teens to India and are trying to trade it off for withdrawing objections against the S400.

the amerikis are untrustworthy.

for them its ameriki uber alles, no matter which clown is in the white house.

obama showed his true colors before he departed.

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Postby ricky_v » 01 Jun 2019 20:32

chetak sir, every nation should keep its own concern foremost;we are the only "daani" people. do they want us to buy their stuff,off course, what nation doesn't?The only thing for us to do is to minimize our losses everywhere reacting to the variables and if creating a newer infrastructure is part of the solution so be it, we can always find newer customers or produce stuff that has market demand.
one thing to focus on would be the finished goods sector and moving away from the raw material export to be value added down the line(mostly in export nations).

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Postby darshan » 01 Jun 2019 22:39

Not sure where to start with this one. Mumbai is not in America. And Mumbaikers going for pity, self loathing, or something else? Or start with how for thousand years you were robbed and now you’re living in slum, ....

At least I hope they went back to Mumbai with the knowledge that America also has slums, homeless people, tent cities, etc.

https://youtu.be/OWCDJnnxOSY

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Postby ramana » 02 Jun 2019 00:04

The US on Friday announced its decision to end preferential tariffs to $5.6 billion of Indian exports from June 5 after determining that it has not assured the US that it will provide "equitable and reasonable access to its markets."

“I have determined that India has not assured the US that it will provide equitable and reasonable access to its markets. Accordingly, it is appropriate to terminate India's designation as a beneficiary developing country effective June 5, 2019," US President Donal Trump said in a proclamation on Friday.

ET:Donald Trump terminates preferential trade status for India under GSP http://www.ecoti.in/IJZVQZ
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Postby ramana » 02 Jun 2019 00:12

DT leaves no option but to retaliate. It's the image thing.

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Postby sudarshan » 02 Jun 2019 00:39

More harassment on the way?

Wonder if BRF counts as "social media." If you want a US visa, you will have to watch what you type online from now on. One more way to harass RW folk based on their chehra kitab, kya hua, etc. posts and tweets.

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Postby Suraj » 02 Jun 2019 01:17

A few words about GSP : it is a unilateral tariff regime set up by developed countries in the 1960s after UNCTAD discussions on increasing world trade. EU has similar preferential quota regimes for developing nations. These low/zero tariff structures favor low value add, manual labor based goods. Of course India also benefited from it over the years, probably was the largest beneficiary too. The GSP tariff structure does not benefit any high value goods, since that is a developed country competitive advantage.

However, we've never been able to take full advantage of GSP, because we didn't haven en effective export led growth model implemented by successive governments. Make In India is a nice move, but should have been pursued in the 1990s for real impact, not in the late 2010s. Still, India has come a long way. In the mid 2000s, our total exports (goods plus services) were about $40 billion a year. As of last fiscal year (ended March 31 2019), it was approx $550 billion. Total trade volume is about $1.1 trillion. Of that, GSP accounts for about $5-8 billion in export competitiveness.

Progressively, our exports have grown in value-add. In the past, our main exports were either primary items (e.g. ore), intermediate goods (e.g. yarn but not finished clothing) or low value add items (clothing). That is not the case anymore. Our largest exports are refined petroleum and petrochem (31%), engineering and electronic goods (28%) and chemical goods (15%). That's 74% of total merchandise exports. And textiles ? 4.5% . That's where GSP benefited us, though not going forward.

That's the real picture - the unemotional one Modi stated. The Indian trade basket has evolved over time, and is much more 'developed' than most developing nation export baskets. As such, while trade wars can hurt us, something like GSP doesn't have as much real impact. It also reduces the US negotiating position, because they have taken away something that's not very important in real terms, in the expectation that we'll beg to have it restored, giving up real benefits in exchange. However, that's not been the case, and India has not stated any significant attachment to GSP. By simply taking it away (as opposed to threatening to), the US are arguably in a worse position now than before.

The US action is a classic example of doing actions with diminishing returns. India simply retaliates by imposing its own tariffs, and the show goes on. The underlying cause of this is DTs notion that everyone else has been unfair to the US, whom he views as a magnanimous entity that brought wealth and development to the world. That may be true to some extent, but the US that is a rather perverse argument too, as the US is in it for very self serving reasons, including the maintenance of the USD as the primary reserve currency . But he'll never acknowledge that, and will instead go on a series of largely symbolic actions (e.g. eliminate GSP, or demand that India be removed from the WTO less developed economy beneficial preference regime that India has already been phasing out for several years) that just progressively erode US competitiveness in the process.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby rgosain » 02 Jun 2019 01:45

Suraj a very well reasoned and informed response that you have furnished, explaining why India doesn't need to respond to every and any threat of tariffs and sanctions in a toe to toe manner.
Until 2005 there was no military or intelligence cooperation, and since that time, the purchases of military equipment and the bountiful service contracts have gone from 0 to several billions per annum. Are these transactions counted in the trade stats.

Exactly 21 years ago after the imposition of sanctions by the PRC loving Clinton, the ABV government retaliated against Enron, and we all know the outcome of that. If there are tariffs or caatsa sanctions, then there should be a reconsideration of the Westinghouse reactors, which in any case will be subject to cost overruns, delays and China's obstructions at the NSA.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Jun 2019 01:52

sudarshan wrote:More harassment on the way?

Wonder if BRF counts as "social media." If you want a US visa, you will have to watch what you type online from now on. One more way to harass RW folk based on their chehra kitab, kya hua, etc. posts and tweets.


Signs of the times. Until circa 2000 the US vija application had a question "Have u even been a member of the Communist Party?" and some more piercing questions along those lines. I remember because someone I know, in their nervousness, happily nodded YES! to these at Immigration Interview. The lawyer who came along was brilliat. He burst out laughing, so did the Babu-ul-Immigrationi. Otherwise it was finis. Point is, they could easily deport/ start de-naturalization proceedings based on "lied on phorm onlee". Unfortunately post 2000, this did not work: they just yawned if someone pointed out that XYZ is a commie.
In our lifetimes, Communism will never again be a threat to the Yoo Ess Of A

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Jun 2019 01:54

sudarshan wrote:More harassment on the way?

Wonder if BRF counts as "social media." If you want a US visa, you will have to watch what you type online from now on. One more way to harass RW folk based on their chehra kitab, kya hua, etc. posts and tweets.


Signs of the times. Until circa 2000 the US vija application had a question "Have u even been a member of the Communist Party?" and some more piercing questions along those lines. I remember because someone I know, in their nervousness, happily nodded YES! to these at Immigration Interview. The lawyer who came along was brilliat. He burst out laughing, so did the Babu-ul-Immigrationi. Otherwise it was finis. Point is, they could easily deport/ start de-naturalization proceedings based on "lied on phorm onlee". Unfortunately post 2000, this did not work: they just yawned if someone pointed out that XYZ is a commie.
In our lifetimes, Communism will never again be a threat to the Yoo Ess Of A

Previous panch saal.
AoA!

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Suraj » 02 Jun 2019 02:00

rgosain: I’m afraid you’ve misinterpreted my post . I did not argue that we don’t have to retaliate to every US action . I always advocate immediate retaliation in trade wars to maintain or enhance balance of power .

What I tried to say in the post is that the impact of GSP on India in 2019 is rather low, and that it is simply one of Trump’s standard playbook actions where ‘others’ are painted as unfair to the ‘magnanimous US’ and thus they ‘take back’ the benefit .

In real unemotional terms, India is going thru a process of removing itself from preferential trade regimes as we transition fully from low to middle income country. Trumps ‘I’m gonna take away what you were already in the process of giving up!’ eyewash is primarily for his domestic audience. As in Rome, the baying masses need entertainment.

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Postby rgosain » 02 Jun 2019 02:05

Suraj wrote:rgosain: I’m afraid you’ve misinterpreted my post . I did not argue that we don’t have to retaliate to every US action . I always advocate immediate retaliation in trade wars to maintain or enhance balance of power .

What I tried to say in the post is that the impact of GSP on India in 2019 is rather low, and that it is simply one of Trump’s standard playbook actions where ‘others’ are painted as unfair to the ‘magnanimous US’ and thus they ‘take back’ the benefit .

In real unemotional terms, India is going thru a process of removing itself from preferential trade regimes as we transition fully from low to middle income country. Trumps ‘I’m gonna take away what you were already in the process of giving up!’ eyewash is primarily for his domestic audience.


You are absolutely correct and I am glad you that you mentioned the gsp regime.
Actually I think this new generation of tariffs or caatsa sanctions gives India an excuse to pack up the Westinghouse reactors

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby darshan » 02 Jun 2019 02:06

India can retaliate on US’s biggest exports of: Media and entertainment companies, social media platforms, EJ funding networks, etc.

India loses lot of workers to other countries and one of the area is agriculture. Is there any scope for agricultural agreements between India and US? Does this have any benefit for India?

Background links:
https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/pun ... es-farmers
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sikh-work ... -1.5112131
https://www.mea.gov.in/images/pdf/Patte ... oItaly.pdf
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/sunda ... 63146.html
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 669_1.html

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby rgosain » 02 Jun 2019 02:09

darshan wrote:India can retaliate on US’s biggest exports of: Media and entertainment companies, social media platforms, EJ funding networks, etc.

India loses lot of workers to other countries and one of the area is agriculture. Is there any scope for agricultural agreements between India and US? Does this have any benefit for India?

Background links:
https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/pun ... es-farmers
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sikh-work ... -1.5112131
https://www.mea.gov.in/images/pdf/Patte ... oItaly.pdf
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/sunda ... 63146.html
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 669_1.html


That is a good start - also just the threat of increasing the number of drugs or agrochemicals and seeds under compulsory licensing would put the wind up the agrochem and pharma industry who have been busy conflating generics with fake drugs

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Jun 2019 02:14

Back in 1965/66 IIRC, some 400% altruistic fa*ts in the COTUS/ SDOTUS/WHOTUS decided to cancel "PL480" wheat shipments to India. From my limited knowledge as a Mongolian child running around in my birthday suit, I think "PL" stood for "Public Law". It was a "handout" based on "Boor countree" designation, sending grain abroad to support farm prices in Yoo Ess. Win-Win.

This was because, despite prodding and threats, India did not agree to hand "Cash-More" to Bakistan, and instead whacked US-backed Dictator Ayub Khan's musharraf, turning all those Patton tanks into pakistans all over Indian colleges and public parks.

This caused severe food shortages in desh. My parents went hungry, with only 1 meal per din. Result? India became a net food EXPORTER.
This generation needs to deal with such bullying the same way. Wean off "Special Poor Country Status". Not EZ. Will hurt economy and stock market. But in the long term, essential for Independence. See BRF Meet dhaga.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Suraj » 02 Jun 2019 02:18

I don’t see it as a case of India necessarily losing workers . Trade has three major axes - goods , capital and labour . All three can be moved around . Various countries are surplus or deficit in any of these three.

US or other developed countries are capital surplus, mostly goods surplus and labour deficient (their labour is costly) . India on the other hand is labour surplus, goods and capital deficient - we import both more than we export . Our labour exports show up in the books in the form of remittance earnings - with $80 billion or more , we have the largest remittance earnings of any nation . The US is simply one of many labour destinations, and not even the largest source of remittances .

While US goods and services can be targeted, another thing that’s a target is their capital access . Capital is the most fungible (money is money whether it’s euro or yen or dollar) of the three and the US economic hegemony is primary about maintaining its control over world capital and denominations its exchange in US currency .

There are plenty of negotiating sticks to use against the US including their entertainment and tech companies and giving preferential access to Japanese, European or even Chinese capital over US fund managers .

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby rgosain » 02 Jun 2019 02:22

UlanBatori wrote:Back in 1965/66 IIRC, some 400% altruistic fa*ts in the COTUS/ SDOTUS/WHOTUS decided to cancel "PL480" wheat shipments to India. From my limited knowledge as a Mongolian child running around in my birthday suit, I think "PL" stood for "Public Law". It was a "handout" based on "Boor countree" designation, sending grain abroad to support farm prices in Yoo Ess. Win-Win.

This was because, despite prodding and threats, India did not agree to hand "Cash-More" to Bakistan, and instead whacked US-backed Dictator Ayub Khan's musharraf, turning all those Patton tanks into pakistans all over Indian colleges and public parks.

This caused severe food shortages in desh. My parents went hungry, with only 1 meal per din. Result? India became a net food EXPORTER.
This generation needs to deal with such bullying the same way. Wean off "Special Poor Country Status". Not EZ. Will hurt economy and stock market. But in the long term, essential for Independence. See BRF Meet dhaga.


Hard to believe but 20 years ago, we were dissecting Kargil on this very forum, during a period of time when India was subjected to a whole raft of sanctions. As you say this is the 1st generation who have not faced that problem


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