India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby darshan » 30 Jun 2019 22:48

As expected Boeing PR goons trying to blame their utter garbage engineering skills on Indians. On defense side, these idiots can't even get basic ICDs right and talking about engineering.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -engineers

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Postby Mort Walker » 30 Jun 2019 23:43

What do you mean Boeing on the defense side can’t get ICDs right? They have a vast product array of defense aerospace products. They get it right.

Boeing itself didn’t make any statements about its contract employees. It’s simply others trying to make an issue out of nothing as subcontracting is very common.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby mappunni » 01 Jul 2019 02:25

darshan wrote:As expected Boeing PR goons trying to blame their utter garbage engineering skills on Indians. On the defense side, these idiots can't even get basic ICDs right and talking about engineering.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -engineers


Saar, I have had the opportunity to work with the folks from Nadar Company and can attest to the fact their sheer incompetence. They promise a mountain when they cannot even deliver a molehill. Most of the offshore folks are inexperienced bunch with little or no idea of the gravity of timeline or why things are done in a certain way. The same company lost their contract with a leading Cola company for the same reason - incompetence.

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Postby Yayavar » 01 Jul 2019 03:19

^^ That is irrelevant. The QA, validation and decision makers went ahead with faulty setup and did not inform anyone. This cannot be pinned on outsourced coders.

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Postby vimal » 01 Jul 2019 03:31

darshan wrote:As expected Boeing PR goons trying to blame their utter garbage engineering skills on Indians. On defense side, these idiots can't even get basic ICDs right and talking about engineering.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -engineers


Not just India, they are also trying to pin the issues on the Moscow design center. Basically, offloading the blame on the "others".

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Postby Mort Walker » 01 Jul 2019 04:43

vimal wrote:
darshan wrote:As expected Boeing PR goons trying to blame their utter garbage engineering skills on Indians. On defense side, these idiots can't even get basic ICDs right and talking about engineering.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -engineers


Not just India, they are also trying to pin the issues on the Moscow design center. Basically, offloading the blame on the "others".


Again. Boeing is not making any claims on their contractors. It’s Bloomberg and the author. Boeing’s commercial airplane division has to be held responsible. It’s entirely their fault. The military division is entirely separate and they are one of the most capable and competent companies out there. Outside of defense products made in India, Boeing is the best. They’ve delivered the C-17, P-8i, Apache and Chinooks on time ahead of schedule within budget. This is a big deal.

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Postby kit » 01 Jul 2019 05:32

darshan wrote:As expected Boeing PR goons trying to blame their utter garbage engineering skills on Indians. On defense side, these idiots can't even get basic ICDs right and talking about engineering.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -engineers


Boeing said the company did not rely on engineers from HCL and Cyient for the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System, which has been linked to the Lion Air crash last October and the Ethiopian Airlines disaster in March. The Chicago-based planemaker also said it didn’t rely on either firm for another software issue disclosed after the crashes: a cockpit warning light that wasn’t working for most buyers.

what gives ?

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Postby kit » 01 Jul 2019 05:32

Mort Walker wrote:
vimal wrote:
Not just India, they are also trying to pin the issues on the Moscow design center. Basically, offloading the blame on the "others".


Again. Boeing is not making any claims on their contractors. It’s Bloomberg and the author. Boeing’s commercial airplane division has to be held responsible. It’s entirely their fault. The military division is entirely separate and they are one of the most capable and competent companies out there. Outside of defense products made in India, Boeing is the best. They’ve delivered the C-17, P-8i, Apache and Chinooks on time ahead of schedule within budget. This is a big deal.


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Postby darshan » 01 Jul 2019 05:33

Point on it's your responsibility to make sure that your sub has delivered and not pass the buck was already made by someone before.

With pausible denials, the similar stunts were pulled on many subs with 787 battery fires. Articles are clearly hit jobs and if Boeing wanted could pursue it with legal actions against former employees or subs making comments. However, similar to 787 battery saga they rather have lot of smoke for uninformed audience.

Mort ji, revs on documents do go up and I will leave at that. Let's just hope that my schedule isn't derailed.

Added later: the past performance is no indication of the future performance. Just experienced it with the replacement of few black boxes. Employees do move around and knowledge and competence leaves the door all the time.

Corrected to 787. Thanks zynda
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Postby Zynda » 01 Jul 2019 06:55

^^I think you mean 787 battery fires...

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Postby Mort Walker » 01 Jul 2019 09:21

darshan wrote:Point on it's your responsibility to make sure that your sub has delivered and not pass the buck was already made by someone before.

With pausible denials, the similar stunts were pulled on many subs with 787 battery fires. Articles are clearly hit jobs and if Boeing wanted could pursue it with legal actions against former employees or subs making comments. However, similar to 787 battery saga they rather have lot of smoke for uninformed audience.

Mort ji, revs on documents do go up and I will leave at that. Let's just hope that my schedule isn't derailed.

Added later: the past performance is no indication of the future performance. Just experienced it with the replacement of few black boxes. Employees do move around and knowledge and competence leaves the door all the time.

Corrected to 787. Thanks zynda


Revs on documents do go up and down, but getting embedded systems to communicate and pass data to each other right everytime is another matter - and Boeing gets it right for its military applications. I've dealt with them, Northrup, and Raytheon - and all 3 have been good as far as getting it right.

Past performance for an aerospace/defense company is indeed an indicator of future performance. The Boeing P-8I, which essentially has Raytheon sensors, has been working well for the IN and that's why they're buying several more. Similarly the C-17 works well too, but it's production has been shut down, or the IAF would buy at least half-dozen more.

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Postby darshan » 01 Jul 2019 17:36

If you have worked that circuit then you should know that there's not anything that you or I can discuss openly. And no past performance is not good enough else people would not have to go through the whole process of testing and reviews. If everyone gets it right, then I will let my FRB know that they're jobless.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby ramana » 02 Jul 2019 00:41

darshan wrote:As expected Boeing PR goons trying to blame their utter garbage engineering skills on Indians. On defense side, these idiots can't even get basic ICDs right and talking about engineering.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -engineers



darshan, If you read the article its laid off Boeing engineers who blame Indian software programmers.
And the interesting part is the Indian firm had nothing to do with FCS !!!

So its blow to Bloomberg for talking to disgruntled folks.

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Postby ramana » 02 Jul 2019 00:45

mappunni wrote:
darshan wrote:As expected Boeing PR goons trying to blame their utter garbage engineering skills on Indians. On the defense side, these idiots can't even get basic ICDs right and talking about engineering.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -engineers


Saar, I have had the opportunity to work with the folks from Nadar Company and can attest to the fact their sheer incompetence. They promise a mountain when they cannot even deliver a molehill. Most of the offshore folks are inexperienced bunch with little or no idea of the gravity of timeline or why things are done in a certain way. The same company lost their contract with a leading Cola company for the same reason - incompetence.


You are guilty of making the same mistake as the laid off Boeing workers who threw doubts at Indian software companies who were not even involved in the MCAS changes.
You have grouse on HCL and you want to project on this mishap.

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Postby darshan » 02 Jul 2019 01:51

ramana wrote:darshan, If you read the article its laid off Boeing engineers who blame Indian software programmers.
And the interesting part is the Indian firm had nothing to do with FCS !!!

So its blow to Bloomberg for talking to disgruntled folks.

My point was about utilizing pausible denials. Similar effort was observed during the battery fire saga. Many subs were being taken to news articles where Boeing would not be saying anything but saying everything. Boeing didn't go after anyone then either to shield suppliers. Picking up indirect signals many suppliers were burning midnight oil on their own dime to find issues. Not to mention their reputation and capital outlays. We are talking about playing with perceptions here if you understand what I mean without clearly saying anything. Vagueness is required for CYA. Just think of how fast Lions air news reports moved which started with throwing Indonesians under the bus to getting all articles moving away from the front page. How many % of people are really going to walk away thinking about Bloomberg compared to Indians can't write code?

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby nachiket » 02 Jul 2019 01:55

If I remember correctly a similar tactic of blaming TCS or some other company's engineers was tried out back when the Obamacare website fiasco happened. US media quickly moves in a predictable direction of blaming low-paid brown Injuns whenever there is a gigantic technical blunder like this and the powers that be are only too eager to feed their prejudice and racism in order to escape own liability and maintain the aura of infallibility of the great American nation and its companies.

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Postby Mort Walker » 03 Jul 2019 06:42

darshan wrote:If you have worked that circuit then you should know that there's not anything that you or I can discuss openly. And no past performance is not good enough else people would not have to go through the whole process of testing and reviews. If everyone gets it right, then I will let my FRB know that they're jobless.


Darshanji,

The process is there including IVV with flight tests. What you're talking about is how each platform is different, which is correct, what I'm talking about is the process. Thesy get it right.

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Postby Vikas » 03 Jul 2019 11:21

ramana wrote:
mappunni wrote:
Saar, I have had the opportunity to work with the folks from Nadar Company and can attest to the fact their sheer incompetence. They promise a mountain when they cannot even deliver a molehill. Most of the offshore folks are inexperienced bunch with little or no idea of the gravity of timeline or why things are done in a certain way. The same company lost their contract with a leading Cola company for the same reason - incompetence.


You are guilty of making the same mistake as the laid off Boeing workers who threw doubts at Indian software companies who were not even involved in the MCAS changes.
You have grouse on HCL and you want to project on this mishap.


mappunni ji, This is a biased and prejudiced observation. One doesn't get to be a billion dollar company with customers across fortune 500 by incompetence. I don't see any one calling the team that did MCAS changes incompetent. As soon as Indian name was removed from culprit board, the whole conversation about IT part of failure went silent.

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US Congress to vote for legislation to remove country-cap on Green Card https://rightlog.in/2019/07/green-card- ... ry-cap-01/

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Postby Rishi_Tri » 09 Jul 2019 21:02

Donald J. Trump

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India has long had a field day putting Tariffs on American products. No longer acceptable!

5:44 AM - 9 Jul 2019

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Postby Sri » 10 Jul 2019 13:37

mappunni wrote:Saar, I have had the opportunity to work with the folks from Nadar Company and can attest to the fact their sheer incompetence. They promise a mountain when they cannot even deliver a molehill. Most of the offshore folks are inexperienced bunch with little or no idea of the gravity of timeline or why things are done in a certain way. The same company lost their contract with a leading Cola company for the same reason - incompetence.


I have had a very positive experience though. My experience has been that if you plan it right, engage your offshore partner in design / planning and insist on documentations (very important), the results are usually very good.

I have had less than optimal experience too but with experience I have understood that it's more to do with our own approach then the other way around.

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Postby MeshaVishwas » 10 Jul 2019 23:11

Posting in full as I think SeemaJi's reading on the situation is very accurate.
Guess Who’s Back Playing Games?-Seema Sirohi
Folks, Pakistan is back in the game. It has come riding on the tailcoats of Taliban and the US desire to get out of Afghanistan.

Britain, true to colour, helped sell Pakistani snake oil to Washington once again. But the fact that Washington was willing to buy it — for the nth time — is more troubling than a fading power’s machinations to remain relevant in South Asia.

Just as international pressure was beginning to work, the US appears to have decided to step off the pedal and put on kid gloves. India will take note and store the memory in the fat file of US-Pakistan dalliances. Meanwhile, we must get ready to watch the same movie again. There will be many intervals and songs, but we know how it ends.

And how it begins. The opening scene is full of hope and longing with lead actors performing their roles to perfection. They have had years of practice. Hope as policy was on full display over the last 10 days. Consider the many positives for Pakistan — an International Monetary Fund (IMF) loan for $6 billion was approved; a visit by Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan to the US was granted; the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) was suddenly designated a terrorist organisation in a nod to the Pakistani army and China; and faint whispers of India-Pakistan talks were generated.

The BLA designation now allows Pakistan to officially continue killing its own people, disappear them in greater numbers and tell India not to help Baloch ‘terrorists’. Political asylum in the West for the Baloch will get tougher.

All this is a long way away from US President Donald Trump’s first tweet of 2018 when he said Pakistan had “given us nothing but lies and deceit” because they think “of our leaders as fools”. But now Pakistan has apparently given him a way out of Afghanistan by half-delivering the Taliban.

The Taliban’s rampant attacks — including on children, before, during and after each round of talks —are just a painful detail. At times, US envoy for Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad had to be prompted to condemn each attack. A day after Khalilzad declared the current round as the “most productive” and “substantive”, the Taliban struck with deadly precision in Ghazni, killing 12 and wounding more than 170, including scores of children. Even if Khalilzad has managed to move the needle in peace talks, these attacks show the Taliban are engaged in pretend negotiations, and in running down the clock until US troops depart.

The Americans are hoping for a framework agreement by September 1so that Afghan elections can be held later that month. Again, Pakistan’s ‘help’ is deemed important. Don’t be surprised if Pakistan’s push for an interim government also gets a green signal, thereby sidelining the Kabul government. To please Pakistan, Khalilzad and his boss US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo apparently instructed the State Department to look for ‘rewards’. The designation of BLA was clearly dug out from the depths of the rewards basket. But Imran Khan’s visit is the biggest reward. The Pakistanis have been pleading for a US visit ever since Khan was ‘selected’ prime minister.

As for nudging India to begin talks with Pakistan, the US bureaucracy knows New Delhi’s position and the prerequisites. But by pushing the envelope with India, the US will check another box with the Pakistanis. The Pakistani army has been asking the British to weigh in with the Americans to pressure India for talks. ‘If Kashmir is resolved, so will Afghanistan’ is the old British recipe. That’s hogwash and everyone knows it. Afghanistan is a mess because Pakistan wants it to be a mess. It has nothing to do with the Kashmir dispute. Khalilzad knows better, but he will pretend to agree with Pakistan to try to secure his ‘peace deal’, win Trump’s affection and may be even an award or two.

Pakistan’s proxies in various think tanks are working overtime to say the Pakistan army and the civilian government are together this time to shut down terror factories. Look at the 23 cases launched against Jama’at-ud-Da’wah (JUD) chief Hafiz Saeed and his accomplices, and the targeting of his charities.

At this point, the movie needs a flashback — Saeed has been arrested and released five times since 2001 with no harm to his well-being or fund-raising abilities or ascent to politics. If Pakistan escapes censure on the basis of ‘initiating’ cases, which either will take years to fructify or be thrown out, the joke is on the big powers for buying the vague promises.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/bl ... ing-games/

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Postby Vivek K » 11 Jul 2019 00:05

Some forget the Super 301 tariffs on India in the 90s and 2000s.

Modi 2.0 needs to get real, rhetoric will not help. The only way out is to grow Indian industry - revive sick units; stop lynching industrialists. Cannot tax industry and use that to give loan waivers to farmers. That will destroy industry. Import substitution efforts must be treated like EOUs. Attack production costs and reduce imports. Provide loans to industry at lower costs.

Industry is a risky venture and not for the faint hearted or the risk averse. Needs a lot of support. Industry is also looked at as a social responsibility. Look at the US's handling of its auto and airline industries. None closed because their closure meant the loss of employment for millions. In India we have shut down Sahara, East West, Jet, Kingfisher and Indian Airlines barely flies on government money. Some want to hang Mallya! Well, I have news for you - every failure is because something went wrong. So there is plenty of wrongdoing when an industry goes belly up. That is when we take good decisions - to help it survive or die. Which is better, an industry that provides employment and pays taxes or a sick unit with the owner beheaded?

Look at the Chinese - this has been discussed on BRF for eons! The Chinese look at industry as -a) a tool to global leadership and b) social responsibility. So they staff an industry that has 100 employees elsewhere with 300 people. And then they make sure it operates at 100% capacity by giving it every assistance it needs. The Chinese have recapitalized their banks to the tune of several billions but never wavered on their goal of global leadership through a gigantic industrial base.

And look at India - in the early 90s several import substitution mid sized industries were set up! Where are they now - reduced to rubble. Why? because of a) unrealistic P/L expectations, b) Brutal, designed to kill industry interest rates (loans were given by financial institutions at 18-24%), c) Corrupt government machinery, d) poor infrastructure (power) requiring diversion of precious resources to power generation infrastructure, e) Unproductive, unskilled labor hiding behind archaic 200 year old labor laws (i can provide actual examples) and labor unions. One Nirav Modi shook the foundations of Indian Industry! The man was a diamond merchant - not even a real industrialist. And who should have been blamed - the corrupt government officials that advanced loans to his firm. And where is the collateral for these loans? If this had happened in China, the bank officials that were guilty would have been hung by now.

Go to Bareilly in UP - look at Synthetics and Chemicals Ltd., At one time heralded as the largest factory in Asia. The company employed a large number of people. It had a huge, bustling colony (more a township) adjacent to the production facility where some of the staff lived (500 plus families with a fantastic school). In 65 and 71, Pakistan boasted of reducing this to smithereens! Today - you cannot even recognize this giant facility or its township. Reason, uncompetitive production costs that needed a solution. Instead the factory and its township were sent into closure and handed over to a liquidator. What a waste!!

All industries must be declared national assets and guarded from failure like we guard Kashmir or else …. learn Mandarin folks!

Apologies for the rant. I have good reasons for it.

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Postby Philip » 14 Jul 2019 21:19

I've always maintained that the US will never dump Pak because you can't find a more perverted rent-boy who will do and dirty trick for a lousy dollar.Failed in bullying us into scrapping the S-400 deal, the US establishment has shown its true colours by dumping India from the list of nations equiv. to NATO members for arms purchases.
Therefore we should steer very clear of any major ticket items for the services, which would hugely affect our capabilities in the event of US sanctions.The US puts its interests first.So should India, every time.

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Postby Mort Walker » 17 Jul 2019 07:49

Today marks 50 years to the day of the launch of Apollo 11. Here is a pic of Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 post mission visit to Bombay. I think nearly 2 million people showed up to greet them. Neil Armstrong on left doing namaskar to the public, Michael Collins in the middle, and Buzz Aldrin to the right waving to the public.

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Postby Philip » 17 Jul 2019 16:35

Pak whenever in trouble uses terror and assymetric tactics to get the US to fondle its shockings and forgive its duplicity.Driven to the wall economically and limited support available from China and Sunni Muslim birthers,
it is using the Taliban (which it helped create ) and its mischief in Afg.to pressurise the Yanquis to return to its estranged favourite rent boy to allow it to exit Afg. with honour unlike its indecent departure from Saigon!

Unfortunately the eunuchs in our MEA, fed on decades of a Congress diplomatic diet, do not play hardball - pardon the pun, like the Pakis, in leveraging the US and the west.
India MUST attract like a magnet many of the erstwhile NAM member states , esp. those in the IOR and ASEAN region to join together in our own desi srcurity org. based upon the interests of the regional nations and prevent states like Afg. from being lost to the ungodly, jihadist , Islamic plague led by Pakistan.The US thinks only of its interests, India must do the same.

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Postby ramana » 17 Jul 2019 21:10

Orange taking credit for Paki arrest of Hafeez Suar..

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Postby ramana » 17 Jul 2019 21:13

Philip You know better.
MEA can't play hardball as they are not an independent entity.
Hardball can be played with those who have them.
Congress ensured India will ever remain a soft state.


US is doing what they want and giving the excuse it is to entertain Pakis.
This keeps our deluded folks happy.

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Postby darshan » 18 Jul 2019 01:07

Trump threatens to ‘take a look’ at Google for China ties
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolo ... c9f1f26aa6

Keeps mentioning Google leadership but not Alphabet.

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Postby darshan » 18 Jul 2019 20:16

Hafiz Saeed was living freely in Pakistan, so hold your applause: US Committee gives Donald Trump a reality check
https://www.opindia.com/2019/07/hafiz-s ... ity-check/
The legislative committee in a counter Tweet slammed Trump by highlighting that Pakistan was not searching for the US proscribed terrorist for the last 10 years as claimed by the President and specified that Hafiz has been living freely in the country and was arrested multiple times and released again.

In fact, in its Tweet, the Committee pointed out as to how many times in past Pakistan has resorted to a similar sham of arresting the terrorist due to International pressure but re-releasing him every time thereafter.

The US Committee asked its President to hold his ‘applause’ until Saeed was actually convicted by Pakistan.

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Postby darshan » 18 Jul 2019 21:15

Hafiz Saeed’s arrest is plain hogwash as Imran Khan gears up to meet Donald Trump, but Trump does not get it.
https://rightlog.in/2019/07/hafiz-saeed ... mp-usa-01/
The tweet is ill informed on so many levels that it would be an insult to humanity to not point the irregularities out. First of all, this is Hafiz Saeed’s 8th arrest. Following the December 2001 Parliament terror attack, he has been put under house arrest multiple times, and released after a few months at max. Sometimes he has been released without having any charges framed against him. In other instances, the court quashed cases against him, as the Lahore High Court had during his last arrest in 2009 in light of the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, declaring Hafiz Saeed’s house arrest as “unconstitutional”.

Nevertheless, to say that the arrest is irrelevant would be an understatement. Pakistan’s seemingly selfless gesture of goodwill is fraught with underhand motives as there is a larger political move at play.

This move is imperative, given Pakistan’s grey listing by the FATF for involvements in terror financing. After Pakistan missed its May deadline, they have been given time until October to complete its action plan, otherwise the country may be black listed. If black listed, none of the FATF member countries can extend monetary help towards Pakistan and moreover, all the monetary transactions involving the country will be thoroughly monitored, making it a tedious affair and greatly doubting the Pakistani banks’ credibility.

However, the fact that the move has come barely 4 days ahead of Pakistan PM Imran Khan’s decision to visit Trump in US, is vital as well and most significant as it immediately gives away the true intentions of the Imran Khan government and that is to mislead the USA.


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